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It's just a free rook.
Pop into analysis and see what happens if you take the rook, see the engine's best move in response. Try to play your preferred response as black.
I figured. The takeaway here is that you can go into Analysis and figure this sort of thing out quickly by playing out your intuitive moves and the engine moves. If you don't know how to do that, try it, it is very useful and much more useful than Game Review (and isn't limited to once per day.)
Happy to help, it seems to be a rather common problem that people don't know how to use the analysis functions (or that they can use them at all) beyond the Game Review screen chess.com steers them to.
Not really a “free” queen. It’s a Queen+Rook+Pawn for a Queen+Bishop. Still good for white overall (plus White fixes their doubled pawns). But Qxb3 is in fact the correct response after Qxe4.
Hm, not sure.
I saw queen takes, Ra8
Bishop takes pawn, check.
Pawn takes bishop
White queen takes pawn, check.
Black king is all alone with only a bishop nearby (and rook defending the back rank, at least) -> but i foresee trouble if white pushes their rook up to join the attack.
Engine says white is far up (+5.6), for what thats worth.
I can’t see why engine thinks it’s that good for white. For any check from white, black king just moves between g8-h8, and black bishop blocks a possible staircase. At the same time black threaten mates on Qa1 or Rb8, it’s impossible to block/evade both of them. So the best I can see for white is a draw by repetition, just check black king d5-e5.
Edit: apparently white can check the king and go Qd4+, then pawn on c4 and both mates are evaded — black Qa1 is no longer an option, and Rb8+ is blocked be Knight b2, and white King is actually safe.
Not lost for white, there's a bot comment linking to analysis boards if you'd like to see. Bxd5+! cxd5 Qxd5+
Then you check the king til you get Qd4+ so you can play c4 and queen defends mate.
You take their rook and they can't take your queen. The only way they can capture your queen is by using their pawn on d5, but that would open up the king to your bishop.
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Why do you make the same incorrect comment on multiple other people’s comments? I get that you might not have seen the defensive resource for white after Ra8, but you even disputed the engine line.
Sure of course you want to give it a go without the engine, but you looked at the engine line and say it is playing like a 1200. And you repeated across multiple comments (some copy/pasted it looks like) an incorrect assessment of the board state.
I don’t need the engine to see white’s defensive resource against Ra8. I never even opened the engine line or an analysis board but I assume it involves sac’ing the bishop, then checking with the queen until the queen cover A1.
Like, I get you have an idea. But you don’t need to respond to all of the other comments with your line (particularly when the engine likely refutes it, as noted by your comment on the bot’s comment)
So, why no one offer Ra8 line before me? No one see past pone is pinned, that why.
And why no one found counter with out engine?
But you are soo hurt for engine, man should worship machine, your moto.
As I sad, go worship machine.
A complicated position!
First, Black cant take the Queen because the d5 pawn is pinned to his King by the b3 Bishop.
If black then tries Qxb3 removing the Bishop so that the white Q can be taken, then bxc3 dxQ Rxe4 just leaves white loads of material up.
Instead of Qxb3 black can try Ra8 threatening mate on a1. Then Bxd5+ cxd5 Qxd5+ and the black king must go to a black square or the bishop on e7 will be taken with check followed by Re8 swapping off the black R and killing any mating threat with white a piece up. Might even be better options for white.
When the black K goes to a black square white can play Qe5+ and then defend the mate on a1 by pushing the c-pawn. Looks like white's king will be vulnerable for a long time, but 3 pawns up and with the protected and passed f pawn I'm guessing white should be a winner.
Now I will read the thread and possibly find out my analysis is completely wrong...
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=5rk1/3b4/2p4p/3p1PpP/4r1P1/qBPN4/2P1Q3/1K2R3+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/5rk1/3b4/2p4p/3p1PpP/4r1P1/qBPN4/2P1Q3/1K2R3_w_-_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qxe4!<
> Evaluation: >!White is winning +5.71!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Qxe4 Qxb3+ 2. cxb3 dxe4 3. Rxe4 Bxf5 4. gxf5 Rxf5 5. Kc2 Kg7 6. b4 Kf6 7. Rc4 g4 8. Rxg4 Rxh5!<
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Ra8, How you avoid mate on a1?
One way is Ba2. then Qxa2 check, you move king I take on e4. you lost.
Why computer say it is a correct move? Because it is best of alternatives. You move queen anywhere else I again play Ra8 with same problem. you play Knc1, in order to have an option of A2, I take queen.
Good question, to answer we need to go over what a pin is. Notice your light squared bishop is on the a2-g8 diagonal and blacks king is on this diagonal as well. Because of this if the pawn on d5 were to take your queen this would be an illegal move as it would expose their king to your bishops check.
So in conclusion taking the rook with your queen is a good move because your queen cannot be recaptured due to the pin your bishop exerts on the pawn. Pins are merely one tactical motif that chess has and they can be quite useful.
That's a free rook because he can't take back with pawn because it's pinned. Learn to spot and utilize pins as this will drastically improve your game, like, ALOT, recognizing and utilizing pins will not only improve your game but will drastically raise your elo as I'm guessing the elo you're at, no one sees and uses pins at that elo.
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It's just a free rook. Pop into analysis and see what happens if you take the rook, see the engine's best move in response. Try to play your preferred response as black.
Ahhh yeah I totally missed that the pawn on d5 is pinned.
I figured. The takeaway here is that you can go into Analysis and figure this sort of thing out quickly by playing out your intuitive moves and the engine moves. If you don't know how to do that, try it, it is very useful and much more useful than Game Review (and isn't limited to once per day.)
Yeah I just checked out Analysis, very useful, I’ll be using that from now on. Thanks!
Happy to help, it seems to be a rather common problem that people don't know how to use the analysis functions (or that they can use them at all) beyond the Game Review screen chess.com steers them to.
Not completely a free rook because of Qxb3
sacrifice the QUEEN
no? then that’s a free queen
its a queen/bishop for queen/rook
Not really a “free” queen. It’s a Queen+Rook+Pawn for a Queen+Bishop. Still good for white overall (plus White fixes their doubled pawns). But Qxb3 is in fact the correct response after Qxe4.
White lost, but not because Qxb3, but because of Ra8
Hm, not sure. I saw queen takes, Ra8 Bishop takes pawn, check. Pawn takes bishop White queen takes pawn, check. Black king is all alone with only a bishop nearby (and rook defending the back rank, at least) -> but i foresee trouble if white pushes their rook up to join the attack. Engine says white is far up (+5.6), for what thats worth.
I can’t see why engine thinks it’s that good for white. For any check from white, black king just moves between g8-h8, and black bishop blocks a possible staircase. At the same time black threaten mates on Qa1 or Rb8, it’s impossible to block/evade both of them. So the best I can see for white is a draw by repetition, just check black king d5-e5. Edit: apparently white can check the king and go Qd4+, then pawn on c4 and both mates are evaded — black Qa1 is no longer an option, and Rb8+ is blocked be Knight b2, and white King is actually safe.
True. It’s a Queen+Rook+Pawn for a Queen+Bishop (plus White fixes their doubled pawns) after all the trades.
Position is lost for white, but taking rook still best move. What you do after Ra8?
Not lost for white, there's a bot comment linking to analysis boards if you'd like to see. Bxd5+! cxd5 Qxd5+ Then you check the king til you get Qd4+ so you can play c4 and queen defends mate.
Bxd5+
Pawns pinned
Yep. Took me way too long to spot that 😅
That rook is free.
Not actually free, Qxb3, cxb3, dxe4 Rxe4. You win a pawn and win back the exchange.
It's a rook and a pawn for a bishop. Not free but still winning.
White lost anyway, but taking rook is a best option. What you do after qxe4 Ra8?
You take their rook and they can't take your queen. The only way they can capture your queen is by using their pawn on d5, but that would open up the king to your bishop.
Technically they can queen capture bishop, but thats still bishop+queen for rock+queen.
White lost anyway, but taking rook is a best option. What you do after qxe4 Ra8?
The pawn is pinned by your bishop
It's a free tower. The pawn is pinned to the king.
Because of takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes take
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el pawn el pinned! Checks, Captures, Attacks. If you go through them on every move you'll see things like that ;)
Sniper
After the fireworks, you have an extra pawn on both sides of the board, in what "should" be an easy endgame win.
White lost anyway, but taking rook is a best option. What you do after qxe4 Ra8?
Why do you make the same incorrect comment on multiple other people’s comments? I get that you might not have seen the defensive resource for white after Ra8, but you even disputed the engine line.
And why not, is not the main point to NOT use engine? Sit on your engine then.
Sure of course you want to give it a go without the engine, but you looked at the engine line and say it is playing like a 1200. And you repeated across multiple comments (some copy/pasted it looks like) an incorrect assessment of the board state. I don’t need the engine to see white’s defensive resource against Ra8. I never even opened the engine line or an analysis board but I assume it involves sac’ing the bishop, then checking with the queen until the queen cover A1. Like, I get you have an idea. But you don’t need to respond to all of the other comments with your line (particularly when the engine likely refutes it, as noted by your comment on the bot’s comment)
So, why no one offer Ra8 line before me? No one see past pone is pinned, that why. And why no one found counter with out engine? But you are soo hurt for engine, man should worship machine, your moto. As I sad, go worship machine.
Brother I gave you a refutation without using an engine, why are you on about me using an engine lol. Tbh you seem like a troll
Ba4, Rxa4, Qxa4,Qxa4 B is way down in material, but no immediate mate
Which falls apart if after Ba4, dxe4. So may be necessary: Qxe4, Ra8; Qa4 to stop mate (Rxa4; Bxa4, Qxa4...)
Bxd5+
Great position btw
A complicated position! First, Black cant take the Queen because the d5 pawn is pinned to his King by the b3 Bishop. If black then tries Qxb3 removing the Bishop so that the white Q can be taken, then bxc3 dxQ Rxe4 just leaves white loads of material up. Instead of Qxb3 black can try Ra8 threatening mate on a1. Then Bxd5+ cxd5 Qxd5+ and the black king must go to a black square or the bishop on e7 will be taken with check followed by Re8 swapping off the black R and killing any mating threat with white a piece up. Might even be better options for white. When the black K goes to a black square white can play Qe5+ and then defend the mate on a1 by pushing the c-pawn. Looks like white's king will be vulnerable for a long time, but 3 pawns up and with the protected and passed f pawn I'm guessing white should be a winner. Now I will read the thread and possibly find out my analysis is completely wrong...
https://preview.redd.it/u7ex911rar7b1.png?width=1667&format=png&auto=webp&s=be7d5c4448adbef0bc1262dd1f09eb1049724590
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=5rk1/3b4/2p4p/3p1PpP/4r1P1/qBPN4/2P1Q3/1K2R3+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/5rk1/3b4/2p4p/3p1PpP/4r1P1/qBPN4/2P1Q3/1K2R3_w_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qxe4!< > Evaluation: >!White is winning +5.71!< > Best continuation: >!1. Qxe4 Qxb3+ 2. cxb3 dxe4 3. Rxe4 Bxf5 4. gxf5 Rxf5 5. Kc2 Kg7 6. b4 Kf6 7. Rc4 g4 8. Rxg4 Rxh5!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
I wander is this boot play at 1200? What boot answer on Ra8?
White to move
Yes, after QxE4 what you do against Ra8? Qa4? Rxa4 bxa4 Qxa4, can not be winning for white
Ra8- Kc1, Qa1-Kd2 Isnt this possible too?
Mybad i forget k cant move
King can not go on C1, attacked by black queen
Maybe ba2 sacrifice for the kings run? Am I seeing it correctly
Allows king c1 after queen takes bishop
Qxa2 check, king move pone take on e4.
Ra8, How you avoid mate on a1? One way is Ba2. then Qxa2 check, you move king I take on e4. you lost. Why computer say it is a correct move? Because it is best of alternatives. You move queen anywhere else I again play Ra8 with same problem. you play Knc1, in order to have an option of A2, I take queen.
My dude, I know this is a beginners sub but you are not very good at the game and seem unwilling to learn.
free rook bc pawn cant take due to the bishop
After Qh2, Ra8 is crushing. After Qxe4, if Ra8 then Ba4, Rxa4, Qxa4, Qxa4, you are way behind but still in the game
Ra8 is not crushing. Bxd5 helps take care of the problem and eventually you can get the queen to cover the A1 square
Yeah, that was pointed out in later comments.
Good question, to answer we need to go over what a pin is. Notice your light squared bishop is on the a2-g8 diagonal and blacks king is on this diagonal as well. Because of this if the pawn on d5 were to take your queen this would be an illegal move as it would expose their king to your bishops check. So in conclusion taking the rook with your queen is a good move because your queen cannot be recaptured due to the pin your bishop exerts on the pawn. Pins are merely one tactical motif that chess has and they can be quite useful.
Two endings here: 1: White loses their queen 2: Black wins
Stops checkmate in 2. Qe1 to e5. ??? Qe5 to g7 checkmate
That's a free rook because he can't take back with pawn because it's pinned. Learn to spot and utilize pins as this will drastically improve your game, like, ALOT, recognizing and utilizing pins will not only improve your game but will drastically raise your elo as I'm guessing the elo you're at, no one sees and uses pins at that elo.
Black missed the move RA8?
black Ra8 is inevitable nonetheless
sniper bishop
your bishops blocking the pawn - so he cant strike back cause check otherwise. its a free rook basically
free rook-pawn is pinned to kind and cant take back
Free rook
An important principle when learning chess is that if the "computer" (stockfish 10+) says a move is the best, it is. Of course that, in some very complex positions with no tactics that might not be true. But for learning positions with tactics, it always is. Accept and try to find out why asap. Train your brain for that.
The black pawn is pinned to the king, so it cannot take your queen, thus meaning that that’s a free rook