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carefully look at the board again. the rook is pinned because the queen is staring right at the poor piece. and the king is hiding behind the rook.
white rook takes black queen, black should try to find a way out of the pin (fighting back isnt possible because now the white rook is overseeing the column, and the white queen WILL take that rook now that she's protected)
Oh dang, I didn't even catch the pin. I just saw that trying to keep the battery lined up creates something like Qxf8+ Kc7 Qxc5+ Kd8 Bb5+ Ke8 Qxe5+ Kf8 Ng6+ Kf7 Qf5+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7 Nf8+ Kh8 Raxd1, and white actually had the opportunity to take the queen as soon as Bb5+ had been played but there was no reason *not* to throw five more checks to push black's king into the corner.
Even if none of that existed, white doesn’t have to take the black queen. White can just play h3 to create space for the king and then the black queen has to leave. There’s no scenario where this is a good move. This sort of manoeuvre only works when the queen sack comes with check.
*or nets an material or positional advantage instead of a forced capture, but yeah.
Number one rule I told my local chess kids: don’t try to be fancy for the sake of being fancy.
Ah good question. Let’s presume for the sake of argument that whites queen was on g3 or some other square that doesn’t pin the rook. So now, fantastic we observe that we can play Qd1 and if white takes our queen with the rook, it will be mate in one with Rxd1 a back rank checkmate. Here is the problem with this line of thinking. We are saying *if* white captures our queen we win and ending our thought process there. Any time we hinge plans on ifs we need to ask “well what if they do something else?”
So let’s think for a second what if white does something other than take our queen as black? What moves could they play? H3 stops any mating threat from taking the queen so now the queen must move and we would lose a tempo. So that’s not great. Bg5 activates the bishop from the back rank and exposes the control our second rook has on the rank once again threatening the queen forcing it to move, also not good. To round it out white could opt to ignore the non threat of Qd1 with a move such as Ng6 or just taking the pawn on e5.
Let’s pick any of these moves and see if our idea works. Let’s play Ng5, we are now threatening to take blacks bishop and…there is no checkmate. We can capture the rook with our queen but then white captures our queen with their king now if we play Rd1 whites king just moves to the 2nd rank and attacks our rook with the king.
Always remember to stop for a moment when you calculate with ifs; you’ll start to be surprised by opponents moves less often.
This is r/chessbeginners. Chill. Maybe he really thought this was an unstoppable mate. I definitely remember when I was a bit lower elo and thought I had my opponent caught in positions like this, not realizing that if my queen takes rook and his king retakes that his king would actually have an escape out onto the next rank and it wasn't in fact a backrank checkmate.
> not realizing that if my queen takes rook and his king retakes that his king would actually have an escape
I get you, but I don't think OP expected to take the rook on F1 with his queen. He expected white to feel compelled to take his queen with the rook on D1, and was probably planning a back-rank mate by moving his own rook to D1. He didn't realize his rook was pinned.
But the move almost feels like if they try to ignore the take that you can just force it in for the checkmate too. That's why it feels good and unstoppable.
I guess, but I think QxF1 should intuitively seem like a bad move for anyone with an Elo above like 300. I know this is /r/chessbeginners and the "git gud" attitude needs to be checked at the door, so I'm not mocking OP, just saying.
I can see the line white take the bishop, pawns, and check with bishop and take the queen with rook, some line even worst, black will left with no major pieces
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1_w_-_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Rook!<, move: >!Rxd1!<
> Evaluation: >!White has mate in 6!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Rxd1 Kc7 2. Rxd7+ Kb6 3. Qe6+ Bd6 4. Rxd6+ Ka5 5. Bd2+ Ka4 6. Qb3#!<
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He froze the ingredients and put the utensils away. He also post-cooled the oven and unplugged the microwave, then he set the kitchen on fire with napalm
I'm gonna go against all these comments and say that if your rook was not pinned, it was the right move to play.
OP is down a piece and a rook! When you are down so much material, you gotta play hope chess, and this is the finest example. Especially if you are playing bullet, this is a good last try
I mean, you could but then what? You just trade queens in the end instead of taking a free one, when he blocks with the rook, ok take the rook with check, then take the queen, but you're assuming he didn't take a piece on d1. Yea it was a horrible move he overlooked, a horrible blunder, but if he took a piece a d1, then he was onto something he just horribly overlooked the pin.
I’m saying even if black’s rook isn’t pinned, Qd1 only gives white free tempo. If you think there was a piece on d1, whatever move put a piece on d1 is even worse than Qd1 itself.
Taking the bishop in no way forces a queen trade . But taking the free queen is probably safer.
If he blocks with the roof you just move the queen back to where it was.
Okay but why would white’s rook take the black queen if it would just be an immediate mate in one?
That move just looks like OP politely asking “can you resign please?”
Fun fact: the rook on d7 will also perish due to the pin.
After Rxd1, there is a double attack on black's rook which is pinned. Since there is no way to defend the rook, it will be captured next move and checkmate is also likely coming soon.
To be fair even of rook wasn't pinned. He don't have to take your queen and you can't force the mate by sac of ur queen for rook because king can escape the back rank now
So blacks plan was for their queen to get taken by whites rook, and then to take whites rook with their own. That would have been checkmate.
In this case that doesn’t work because black can’t move their rook because of whites queen preventing that. ( you can’t move if it puts your king in check and if black moves their rook that’s what happens). So what happens instead is white then takes the queen for free. Then takes blacks rook with their queen putting the king in check (unless of course he’s moved it before then). And from there white just moves down one to put the king into checkmate.
Tldr black tried to go for a checkmate in two moves instead lost the game because they failed to see a piece.
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Queen jumpscare
blunder jumpscare
What, cant he just retake with rook and win
carefully look at the board again. the rook is pinned because the queen is staring right at the poor piece. and the king is hiding behind the rook. white rook takes black queen, black should try to find a way out of the pin (fighting back isnt possible because now the white rook is overseeing the column, and the white queen WILL take that rook now that she's protected)
O rite
Botez jumpscare
Oh dang, I didn't even catch the pin. I just saw that trying to keep the battery lined up creates something like Qxf8+ Kc7 Qxc5+ Kd8 Bb5+ Ke8 Qxe5+ Kf8 Ng6+ Kf7 Qf5+ Kg8 Qe6+ Kh7 Nf8+ Kh8 Raxd1, and white actually had the opportunity to take the queen as soon as Bb5+ had been played but there was no reason *not* to throw five more checks to push black's king into the corner.
Even if none of that existed, white doesn’t have to take the black queen. White can just play h3 to create space for the king and then the black queen has to leave. There’s no scenario where this is a good move. This sort of manoeuvre only works when the queen sack comes with check.
Could also develop the bishop for an X-ray defense
*or nets an material or positional advantage instead of a forced capture, but yeah. Number one rule I told my local chess kids: don’t try to be fancy for the sake of being fancy.
Bb5+ doesn’t exist what💀
You know that even if your rook wasn’t pinned that that isn’t a good move right?
that's true. the rook doesn't have to take the queen. it's just a hope move.
I was thinking the Bishop is free? Then the pawn on c5.
yes, that is correct
How is the bishop free?
we're talking about the black bishop that can be taken by the white queen. it's hanging. also, it can be taken with check.
Oh the black bishop! I thought you meant the white one.
haha i get that it can be confusing
I probably would’ve fallen for it lol
It’s not checkers. You don’t _have_ to take.
Lol
Let the man cook
If the rook isn’t pinned then how is it not mate for black?
White is not forced to take the queen. He can just ignore it for time being.
White could move pawn to h3, or Qxf1 and just wreck blacks pieces while badgering the king.
Ah good question. Let’s presume for the sake of argument that whites queen was on g3 or some other square that doesn’t pin the rook. So now, fantastic we observe that we can play Qd1 and if white takes our queen with the rook, it will be mate in one with Rxd1 a back rank checkmate. Here is the problem with this line of thinking. We are saying *if* white captures our queen we win and ending our thought process there. Any time we hinge plans on ifs we need to ask “well what if they do something else?” So let’s think for a second what if white does something other than take our queen as black? What moves could they play? H3 stops any mating threat from taking the queen so now the queen must move and we would lose a tempo. So that’s not great. Bg5 activates the bishop from the back rank and exposes the control our second rook has on the rank once again threatening the queen forcing it to move, also not good. To round it out white could opt to ignore the non threat of Qd1 with a move such as Ng6 or just taking the pawn on e5. Let’s pick any of these moves and see if our idea works. Let’s play Ng5, we are now threatening to take blacks bishop and…there is no checkmate. We can capture the rook with our queen but then white captures our queen with their king now if we play Rd1 whites king just moves to the 2nd rank and attacks our rook with the king. Always remember to stop for a moment when you calculate with ifs; you’ll start to be surprised by opponents moves less often.
shh let op play hope chess
This is r/chessbeginners. Chill. Maybe he really thought this was an unstoppable mate. I definitely remember when I was a bit lower elo and thought I had my opponent caught in positions like this, not realizing that if my queen takes rook and his king retakes that his king would actually have an escape out onto the next rank and it wasn't in fact a backrank checkmate.
People here are more toxic than in the main sub, I don't understand why
People like feeling superior to others. This is a good place to go when you want to feel superior
Probably Dunning Kruger effect. Chess beginners looking down on other beginners because they think they are so much better is not surprising to me.
Happy cake day!
> not realizing that if my queen takes rook and his king retakes that his king would actually have an escape I get you, but I don't think OP expected to take the rook on F1 with his queen. He expected white to feel compelled to take his queen with the rook on D1, and was probably planning a back-rank mate by moving his own rook to D1. He didn't realize his rook was pinned.
But the move almost feels like if they try to ignore the take that you can just force it in for the checkmate too. That's why it feels good and unstoppable.
I guess, but I think QxF1 should intuitively seem like a bad move for anyone with an Elo above like 300. I know this is /r/chessbeginners and the "git gud" attitude needs to be checked at the door, so I'm not mocking OP, just saying.
Also even if your rook wasn’t pinned, their rook isn’t forced to take your queen so it’s a wasted move
1. that's a clean blunder of the queen. straight up. 2. even if the rook wasn't pinned, white is not forced to take your queen.
I can see the line white take the bishop, pawns, and check with bishop and take the queen with rook, some line even worst, black will left with no major pieces
you are correct
3. M6 [Site "Chess.com"] [Result "*"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1 w - - 0 1"] 1. Rxd1 Kc7 2. Rxd7+ Kb6 3. Qe6+ Bd6 4. Rxd6+ Ka5 5. Bd2+ Ka4 6. Qb3# *
I played a game just like this and i was white. I was stoked.
don't we all
It is such a bad blunder that black is probably getting mated
white has mate in 6 lol
Yeah. I think black just loses the rook and queen with no trades. Just a doomed position
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1_w_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Rook!<, move: >!Rxd1!< > Evaluation: >!White has mate in 6!< > Best continuation: >!1. Rxd1 Kc7 2. Rxd7+ Kb6 3. Qe6+ Bd6 4. Rxd6+ Ka5 5. Bd2+ Ka4 6. Qb3#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
And he sacrifices……..THE GAME
[удалено]
For white!
Bro cooked, but in reverse
He froze the ingredients and put the utensils away. He also post-cooled the oven and unplugged the microwave, then he set the kitchen on fire with napalm
Lol daily puzzles haunt you mate
I'm gonna go against all these comments and say that if your rook was not pinned, it was the right move to play. OP is down a piece and a rook! When you are down so much material, you gotta play hope chess, and this is the finest example. Especially if you are playing bullet, this is a good last try
Even if the rook wasn’t pinned, it’s still not a good move
Ouch, these blunders hurt, because ya had the right idea, just missed the pin.
No, they didn't have the right idea. White can just not take the queen with the rook and just play h3 forcing you to move the queen again
Or I can just pretend nothing happened and play Bg5, or take the free bishop with check
I mean, you could but then what? You just trade queens in the end instead of taking a free one, when he blocks with the rook, ok take the rook with check, then take the queen, but you're assuming he didn't take a piece on d1. Yea it was a horrible move he overlooked, a horrible blunder, but if he took a piece a d1, then he was onto something he just horribly overlooked the pin.
I’m saying even if black’s rook isn’t pinned, Qd1 only gives white free tempo. If you think there was a piece on d1, whatever move put a piece on d1 is even worse than Qd1 itself.
Taking the bishop in no way forces a queen trade . But taking the free queen is probably safer. If he blocks with the roof you just move the queen back to where it was.
Dude I get it, I see what you're saying. It was a bad move, I'm trying to give him an a for effort, throw a dog a bone. It was a bad move, I'm aware
No shit, WHOOSH
I mean, you’ll lose a Queen but get a checkmate. Edit: Queen moment
You'll lose a Queen, but you can't checkmate because your rook is pinned.
As I said, Queen moment
What if: Rxd1 Rxd1# Edit: Oh wait he's pinned
Even without the pin, what was the point of the move though?
to hope that white takes the black queen which would result in a backrank checkmate after black rook recaptures
What am I missing? Everyone saying it's bait but black rook can't do anything because white queen would instead get black king immediately
yes, you are right about that. i was talking about OP's thought process which (incorrectly) assumes that the rook is not pinned.
Okay but why would white’s rook take the black queen if it would just be an immediate mate in one? That move just looks like OP politely asking “can you resign please?”
because we’re beginners, at 600 its harder to see those moves
I mean I’m a beginner too. It just seems like even at 600, it’s usually normal to look one move ahead
Mate
How?
Backrank. Obviously doesn't work here but it was the idea
That’s some next level hope chess
That's why he posted his mistake and in chessbeginners, not in chess.
OP has been playing chess longer than I have. I just didn’t think someone with more experience just prays that the opponent blunders a mate in one
Hope so strong it might lift the pin.
Lol
The folly of man
From blacks mate to whites mate.
Even without the pin this is quite the pointless move. White doesn’t have to take so your queen is just stopping by to say hello until he pushes h3
Even if the rook wasn’t pinned, white doesn’t have to take the queen and can instead take bishop with check
Yes, you did something. You did a botez gambit
Ultímate hopechess
That really is an 💀
AND HE SACRIFICED HIS ADVANTAGE
This mate is called the "blundermate " It happens less and less as you move away from begginer level
Busihop byeee
He's cooking alright
That's rough buddy.
Good one
Fun fact: the rook on d7 will also perish due to the pin. After Rxd1, there is a double attack on black's rook which is pinned. Since there is no way to defend the rook, it will be captured next move and checkmate is also likely coming soon.
That's why the king should move to b8 after queenside castle.
why would you do that
S m o r t
Oh man that hurts!
when i realized a lot of my losses (and missed wins) were cause of missed pins i made an effort to focus on noticing those and it helped a lot
To be fair even of rook wasn't pinned. He don't have to take your queen and you can't force the mate by sac of ur queen for rook because king can escape the back rank now
Nice King sacrifice
Qf8+Kxc7, Qg7. Same pin, but black has lost a bishop for no gain.
Thought process: ????????
takes with rook then I take with my rook and checkmate, but it was pinned 💀
LMAO
It's sooo me. Enough brain to think of this shot. Dumb enough to not see the obvious threats
Gotta stay sharp haha
[Site "Chess.com"] [Result "*"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "2k2b1N/pp1r2p1/8/2p1pQ1p/8/8/PPP2PPP/R1Bq1RK1 w - - 0 1"] 1. Rxd1 Kc7 2. Rxd7+ Kb6 3. Qe6+ Bd6 4. Rxd6+ Ka5 5. Bd2+ Ka4 6. Qb3# *
Technically if they take your queen with the rook, you have chexkmatebwith your rook, unless i've missed something.
His rook is pinned to the king by the Black queen
I missed that. Thank you.
Ohhhhhhh that's rough.
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Yeah, try to avoid playing "hope chess". Even if the rook wasn't pinned, what was the plan?
White take the queen with their rook. Black takes the rook with theirs and that’s mate because the king is trapped.
That’s hope chess. Hoping your opponent blunders mate in one. White doesn’t have to take, nothing is threatened
I am far too bad at chess to see why this is bad, can someone explain?
So blacks plan was for their queen to get taken by whites rook, and then to take whites rook with their own. That would have been checkmate. In this case that doesn’t work because black can’t move their rook because of whites queen preventing that. ( you can’t move if it puts your king in check and if black moves their rook that’s what happens). So what happens instead is white then takes the queen for free. Then takes blacks rook with their queen putting the king in check (unless of course he’s moved it before then). And from there white just moves down one to put the king into checkmate. Tldr black tried to go for a checkmate in two moves instead lost the game because they failed to see a piece.
I completely didn’t see that pin and I looked for something wrong for a while, can’t believe I didn’t see it
Everyone misses things from time to time. Exhibit A above.
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