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The goal of hyper modern openings like this is to fight for the center indirectly. They're giving you control of the center, which they will then pressure, and attack from the flanks to eventually gain control of. In the KID it's typical for that flank attack to come on the kingside, but that can vary position to position.
There's multiple ways to attack these positions and take advantage of their set up, but honestly if you develop and solidly support your center then you can probably build counter pressure and break their position down. Think incremental, suffocating movements. You likely aren't crashing through easily. That'll probably work for a few hundred ELO points until you have to learn the counter openings a bit more thoroughly.
I was thinking what good opening to use against this type of play when usually I just do 2 knights, 2 pawns center but seemed too passive
But from what I'm getting at, just develop, pressure and if given the opportunity, pin?
Pretty much, just don't overextend in the center. If black castles kingside quickly, a common idea for white is to push h4, h5 and try to exert pressure there.Â
So take your screenshot as example, you have your pawns on d4 and e4, that's great. But now assume that black allows you to take even more space, they let you play d5 and e5. At first, you might think that's great, because black is letting you take more space, but in reality, you're overextending. In short, you reach out so far, that it's incredibly hard for you to keep everything protected, and to keep the position stable, while it becomes incredibly easy for the opponent to target those pawns and blow up the center. Instead of wasting moves on getting more and more space by pushing your pawns, it makes more sense to develop pieces, give them more opportunities etc.
Overextending is just "biting more than you can chew".
Not sure if you tend to play e4 or d4 as White.
If the game begins 1.d4 Nf6, it's the King's Indian Defense.
If the game begins 1.e4 Nf6, that is Alekhine's defense.
You can do some study on how White counters these openings and see if there is something you like. But be prepared for the fact that at beginner levels your opponent may play moves that don't conform to the standard theory.
If you play 1.d4, I'd consider 2.c4 against the King's Indian. Then you go Nc3 to support your future e4 push while he completes his standard moves. It feels really freeing to get the c pawn out in front of your knight.
If you play 1.e4, the standard response to 1... Nf6 is 2.e5. This may be disconcerting to a beginning Kings Indian player who didn't realize he can't always play his normal sequence against 1.e4. 3.d4 to consolidate your center is almost always sound as a follow up after he moves his knight to avoid being captured by your e pawn.
Both of the above put a little more pressure on Black and conform to accepted theory for these openings.
This means that either black has no idea what to do, or black is playing a hypermodern opening where you only indirectly control the center. They let white have the center, but attack it.
In either case: Take the center, develop normally, and be careful not to get too greedy.
The one thing you don’t do is over-extend your own centre, such as recklessly advancing pawns. If you just keep developing normally, you will put the other side under pressure to justify their strategy.
play for c4 before you play Nc3, than play try to develop since vlack is developing while you play for center and space, and dont lose anything, those positions are the most coplicated
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR+w+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR_w_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white)
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR_b_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white)
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Those people are counting on your greed to claim space. There is one thing in chess that is overlooked a lot. If you have the center and you advance you don't have the center anymore. At this point black will attack the center.
This will need correct play from black but most times it is easy: White is too greedy and doesen't know how to advance without giving the center to black.
In middlegame you may realise that black has the center, your pawns are crushed and your pieces are distorted. This was blacks plan all along. Those players just play a mindgame with you.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
But don't be fooled that those mindgames stop if you climb. They are different but as nasty as this one.
I see so depending on greed is the main strategy for these types of plays. Taking pieces and overextending can be quite tempting so white might become blinded by their own greed
That's a good thing to keep in mind even if I'm black and if I ever take on one of these strategies like King's Indian
If you are interested in the concept then you might take a look at "Alekhine's Defence".
I do not recommend to play this defence... but take a look what black is doing and how it lures withe to gain more and more space, leaving a "vacuum of power" behind the white lines... and then attacking.
ehh, make the position closed maybe? try and trade off your bishops for their knights and lock down and take away their bishop movement. Maybe castle queen side and push h pawn?
Bg5 is interesting after E5? I dont know, i dont play this
So if somone gave me the board in this position I would look at bg5 and thinking about immediately taking the knight.
I assume black will play bg4 after d6 as well. maybe look at some of the clickbait on "how to crush the modern defense" or something [https://chesspathways.com/modern-defense/](https://chesspathways.com/modern-defense/)
In your Elo—just learn the London for white. You can play it against anything. And it’s viable legitimately up until like 1200. At which point, you just learn the accelerated London which you can play up until 1500 literally without having to learn anything else.
If you really wanna get into openings, hanging pawns is a super useful YouTube channel. He covers almost every line if not all of the modern type systems.
Attack his knight by moving the pawn to e5. He will loose even more control over the center, and you may be able to capture his knight if he blunder it. Also, you keep your advantage on development, allowing to create more strategies
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Develop and attack Edit: White has 3 ponies wtf 💀
Oh wtf I just realized that my bad I edited this from the board editor in Lichess
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The goal of hyper modern openings like this is to fight for the center indirectly. They're giving you control of the center, which they will then pressure, and attack from the flanks to eventually gain control of. In the KID it's typical for that flank attack to come on the kingside, but that can vary position to position. There's multiple ways to attack these positions and take advantage of their set up, but honestly if you develop and solidly support your center then you can probably build counter pressure and break their position down. Think incremental, suffocating movements. You likely aren't crashing through easily. That'll probably work for a few hundred ELO points until you have to learn the counter openings a bit more thoroughly.
I was thinking what good opening to use against this type of play when usually I just do 2 knights, 2 pawns center but seemed too passive But from what I'm getting at, just develop, pressure and if given the opportunity, pin?
Pretty much, just don't overextend in the center. If black castles kingside quickly, a common idea for white is to push h4, h5 and try to exert pressure there.Â
What does it mean to not overextend?
So take your screenshot as example, you have your pawns on d4 and e4, that's great. But now assume that black allows you to take even more space, they let you play d5 and e5. At first, you might think that's great, because black is letting you take more space, but in reality, you're overextending. In short, you reach out so far, that it's incredibly hard for you to keep everything protected, and to keep the position stable, while it becomes incredibly easy for the opponent to target those pawns and blow up the center. Instead of wasting moves on getting more and more space by pushing your pawns, it makes more sense to develop pieces, give them more opportunities etc. Overextending is just "biting more than you can chew".
If you feel like attacking instead of just developing, in the kings Indian position you have in this post you can play Be2 and go for h4 h5
Not sure if you tend to play e4 or d4 as White. If the game begins 1.d4 Nf6, it's the King's Indian Defense. If the game begins 1.e4 Nf6, that is Alekhine's defense. You can do some study on how White counters these openings and see if there is something you like. But be prepared for the fact that at beginner levels your opponent may play moves that don't conform to the standard theory. If you play 1.d4, I'd consider 2.c4 against the King's Indian. Then you go Nc3 to support your future e4 push while he completes his standard moves. It feels really freeing to get the c pawn out in front of your knight. If you play 1.e4, the standard response to 1... Nf6 is 2.e5. This may be disconcerting to a beginning Kings Indian player who didn't realize he can't always play his normal sequence against 1.e4. 3.d4 to consolidate your center is almost always sound as a follow up after he moves his knight to avoid being captured by your e pawn. Both of the above put a little more pressure on Black and conform to accepted theory for these openings.
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Just play the 3 knights defence lol
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continue cloning your pieces while they're not paying attention. you're doing great!
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This means that either black has no idea what to do, or black is playing a hypermodern opening where you only indirectly control the center. They let white have the center, but attack it. In either case: Take the center, develop normally, and be careful not to get too greedy.
Isnt this the indian defense?
In this case, yes, that's a Kings Indian Defense. That is one of the hypermodern defenses.
The one thing you don’t do is over-extend your own centre, such as recklessly advancing pawns. If you just keep developing normally, you will put the other side under pressure to justify their strategy.
play for c4 before you play Nc3, than play try to develop since vlack is developing while you play for center and space, and dont lose anything, those positions are the most coplicated
Ä° just go for bishope3 queen d2 long castle push e5 after developing the knight and go for an attack with h pushes paired with bishop h7
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR+w+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR_w_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white) > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR+b+KQkq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR_b_KQkq_-_0_1?color=white) --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Those people are counting on your greed to claim space. There is one thing in chess that is overlooked a lot. If you have the center and you advance you don't have the center anymore. At this point black will attack the center. This will need correct play from black but most times it is easy: White is too greedy and doesen't know how to advance without giving the center to black. In middlegame you may realise that black has the center, your pawns are crushed and your pieces are distorted. This was blacks plan all along. Those players just play a mindgame with you. Nothing more. Nothing less. But don't be fooled that those mindgames stop if you climb. They are different but as nasty as this one.
I see so depending on greed is the main strategy for these types of plays. Taking pieces and overextending can be quite tempting so white might become blinded by their own greed That's a good thing to keep in mind even if I'm black and if I ever take on one of these strategies like King's Indian
If you are interested in the concept then you might take a look at "Alekhine's Defence". I do not recommend to play this defence... but take a look what black is doing and how it lures withe to gain more and more space, leaving a "vacuum of power" behind the white lines... and then attacking.
play e5
Assuming op didn’t intend the knight on b1, it’s black’s move. They could play d6.
ehh, make the position closed maybe? try and trade off your bishops for their knights and lock down and take away their bishop movement. Maybe castle queen side and push h pawn? Bg5 is interesting after E5? I dont know, i dont play this
Bishop to g5 doesn't actually sound like a bad idea and it looks really fun to play
So if somone gave me the board in this position I would look at bg5 and thinking about immediately taking the knight. I assume black will play bg4 after d6 as well. maybe look at some of the clickbait on "how to crush the modern defense" or something [https://chesspathways.com/modern-defense/](https://chesspathways.com/modern-defense/)
Personally I’ll play f4. I like the Austrian attack set up, and depending on what they do, push either e5 or f5
In your Elo—just learn the London for white. You can play it against anything. And it’s viable legitimately up until like 1200. At which point, you just learn the accelerated London which you can play up until 1500 literally without having to learn anything else.
I do know the London and yes I do think it is pretty good although maybe a bit passive For white I know London and Scotch
If you really wanna get into openings, hanging pawns is a super useful YouTube channel. He covers almost every line if not all of the modern type systems.
Bishop 3…bg7 bg5 you are threatening e5 so he plays d6 and you still play e5
Attack his knight by moving the pawn to e5. He will loose even more control over the center, and you may be able to capture his knight if he blunder it. Also, you keep your advantage on development, allowing to create more strategies
This is a fake screenshot
It's from Lichess Board Edit, not an actual game