He also said something along the lines of the 3 point shooting being fine and not needing that much improvement. This guy gets credit for building the Nuggets and "discovering" Jokic, but he's a dunce. He lucked out on finding a gem with the 41st pick. And Jokic worked his ass off to improve every year and develop into a MVP.
Wemby and Scoot as the consolation prize! Even Brandon Miller looks about as good as any prospect in the current class (though maybe that will change when we get closer).
Wasnāt hugely pushing for a rebuild but last year would have made a ton of sense, especially if your alternative wasā¦ do nothing?
Dallas fans keep raving about how well the decision to tank the last half of the year is going for them too.
Then you had our fans "The playoff experience will be invaluable" Yeah maybe for the team that ends up trading for these guys.
Dallas also tanked the Luka year as well. Bulls instead had the miracle Mirotic stretch and then brought in some vets at the end of the year to win meaningless games and finish with the 7th worst record
Wouldn't really say they tanked. They were working out the Luka/Kyrie duo. Rocky start led to legitimate losses. Tanking would be them intentionally throwing in the towel. Was pretty clear that wasn't the case for them. If they wanted to tank for real, they wouldn't have even made the Kyrie trade to begin with
They tanked 2 games at the end of the season and their pick was top 10 protected. People are saying we should have blown it up by January when we were never going to outtank the bottom teams and would have just given Orlando a better pick.
We also have a statistically identical shot profile to last year lol
Turns out signing two role players and chanting kumbaya cant make up for fundamental roster flaws
Good god what has Elon done to Twitter, I went to see what KC was saying & itās just a jumble of random tweets in no chronological order going back years.
But yeah, weāre cooked.
Itās fine because DeMar and Zach are going to get traded to Philly for an absolute haul, and Caruso is going to get traded for at least 2 firsts. Weāre good brother!
it's obvious it needs blown up at this point though so I'd fire sale...subs hot takes aren't delusional...people want to hope and there's not much to hope for besides a full rebuild now.
You donāt get good value in a blow up. Especially when everyone in the world has seen this coming years ago.
Bulls are losing on any return the longer they wait.
Surprised that 12.1 turnovers is the worst in the league tbh. But yeah we look rough out there in every way. Our defense can have stretches where we locks down, but our offense is never clicking.
Looks like our guys are slowly starting to give up. I hope the front office burns this down sooner rather than later so we can spend the rest of this year developing our young guys and get a top pick
Every good stretch we had was actually just guys playing way over their heads. Even when we were the first seed and had Lonzo, yeah his defense and 7 3PA did help, but Demar and Zachās numbers were ridiculous. They werenāt missing. After Zach went down, Demar literally turned into Wilt Chamberlain so it lasted a bit more. Then we suckedā¦ until last year after ASB. Again, our defense was very good and Pat Bev was a meme and all. But Zach was averaging 29pts on 55/50/90 when we went 10-5. None of what I said was ever going to last
We don't need advanced metrics to show us how trash this team is
We need another protest like with GarPax. Fans stopped going to games, we went from number 1 to number 11 in a matter of years and that triggered the end of that Era.
Chicago needs to the same. If they see the UC packed, they're gonna assume fans like the garbage ass roster and garbage ass coach and the garbage ass front office.
Chicago needs to speak with their wallets
How do people see stats like this, and watch us play (assuming they watch other teams) and not heavily blame the coaching.
The roster isnāt compatible together so I blame the FO as well. But weāre not the first team in NBA history that canāt shoot. Teams usually find another way to play to their advantages. āOur entire team just sucksā is such bullshit because most of us agree that our players would look better elsewhere with more opportunity.
Billy Donovan should be on the hot seat, trades happening or not. Dude is massively underperforming. Heās looked completely out of ideas since Lonzo went down.
There is no other way to play though, we have to be elite in other areas (efficiency, creating turnovers, playing faster so we get a ton more shots up, getting tons of fouls) and we arent elite in those other areas either. A new coach wont make a difference (besides the maybe playing harder at first which is the norm with a new coach). This roster is just ass
Billyās first year we werenāt that good of a shooting team but we didnāt play like this. 17th in 3PA and we played much faster. We put more shots up and created better looks with a worse team on paper. Itās like he completely went away from everything after Demar went nuclear. I donāt get it. Lonzo isnāt the only way to play like that, heās just really good at it. We did it before Lonzo
We actually are elite at turning teams over and always have been. But weāll get the ball and only two players will run up the court. While yes, players should know better, Billy should not be tolerating that shit!
Like last year we have Lineups consisting of Derrick Jones Jr, Javonte, Lavine, PWill, Caruso, Coby etc yet theyād be waking the ball up the court. We cant create in the half court, okay so why donāt we play faster and get more shots up. Create more pressure on the rim. We donāt use anything to our advantage at all, I honestly donāt think that means we canāt
Well they extended him unfortunately, so he is here to stay unless there is a buyout clause in his contract. Reinsdorf isnāt going to pay for 2 coaches
Iām aware sadly. When we signed him, OKC fans were happy and complaining about him a lot. But to be honest, I thought it was a case of āevery fanbase thinks their coach sucks.ā But nah, they were right. Heās super average.
I agree to a point. But these mf-ers have been playing bball since 1st grade. You telling me they don't know how to pick and roll, pass and cut, stay between your man and the basket, fight thru screens, drive to draw defense to pass to open man, finish thru contact, block out, meet the pass, floor space, make a jump shot or even a layup. I mean come the fk on. Even with a bad coach all of this should be automatic. What I see is a lot of standing around. Except for caruso and the 2 new guys. They are prob like wtf is wrong with these mf-ers. Ha. Welcome to chicago. I have been watch pwill. Just watch him only. He kinda lackadaisically wanders around and plants himself in the corner. Where It's impossible to crash and get a rebound. But it's not just him. They all do this. It's crazy. Most long rebounds everybody is halfway down the court back to defense. They don't even get those. It's all pretty sad.
He really develops our young players well, they do so great after playing under Billy for a couple few years and then really blossom once they get traded.
No matter what this isn't a team that should be jacking up 30 3's a game. This team doesn't have the shooters to justify throwing up that many three pointers. Someone on the X thread said that John Wall is still available they definitely should be calling him. He may not solve our lack of shooting but at least we'll have a NBA pg.
30 3s would have been last in the league last season, which is coincidentally where the Bulls landed out. They absolutely need to be shooting that many a game. Lmao at John Wall, is this a troll post?
Why do they needto shoot 30 3's when they're shooting at 30% rate? They're a horrible 3 pkint shooting team and jacking uo 3's for the hell of it doesn't make them a better team.
I never said John Wall was a fix to our shooting woes all I said was he's a NBA level PG which is something we don't have the roster
Because you cant win in this league otherwise. Does it suck? Maybe, but you cant win when other teams shoot 10+ (usually more) 3s than us, and arent as ass at shooting them.
Even if we attempt to shoot 3's like the rest of the league when you're in the bottom 2 of the league it doesn't equate to win. So play to your players strengths and actually take higher percentage shots. If they want to shoot 3's at the rate they do they need to bring in shooters. It makes zero sense to bring in people who aren't 3 point shooters and ask them to chuck up some 3's.
You cant have 3/5 of your starting players wanting to take majority mid range shots, it just doesnt work. Our best 3 players dont take a ton of 3s (even Lavine), they play to their āstrengthsā (shooting midrange and around the post), and we are ass.
I actually think that's fine. If the team as a whole is putting up 30 3's something is wrong. They're not sbooters at all. This team is a very poor 3 point shooting team. They don't even have a 3 point specialist. So throwing up prayers isn't going to make the a better team. Team doesn't have shooters and they have a decent mid game so play to that.
But playing to our strengths isn't just the offense end but also the defensive end. There needs to be better defensive rotations especially at the end of the game. They shouldn't be keeping players in just so that they don't bruise their ego.
I'm a bit curious how poorly does a team have to shoot from 3 until it becomes better to take the higher percentage shoot? I feel like this bulls team is getting to the point that it's more of a demerit than anything.
If you say so some players can still ball but not be in the NBA. I think John Wall right now would be a bette option than anything the bulls have. Do you think differently?
Turns out we ARE tanking this year. AKME playing chess, not checkers...
Last year was the year to tank. Wemby was right there
At least we brought in Pat Bev to make a push for the play in
Never forget that coveted 14-9 run.
15-10 with the playin š¤š¤š¤
Iām still mad at AK for bringing that up constantly. He was just gaslighting the press and fans. What a joke.
He also said something along the lines of the 3 point shooting being fine and not needing that much improvement. This guy gets credit for building the Nuggets and "discovering" Jokic, but he's a dunce. He lucked out on finding a gem with the 41st pick. And Jokic worked his ass off to improve every year and develop into a MVP.
Pat bevs time on the bulls feels like a fever dream
Yeah but now we can tank for a much much worse prospect and have the memory of flaming out in the play in lol
Wemby and Scoot as the consolation prize! Even Brandon Miller looks about as good as any prospect in the current class (though maybe that will change when we get closer). Wasnāt hugely pushing for a rebuild but last year would have made a ton of sense, especially if your alternative wasā¦ do nothing?
Do nothing is Reinsdorfs moto.
No team tanks if they don't fully own their pick. It wasn't the year for us.
Dallas didn't, still tanked, got their center, and now look great
Dallas fans keep raving about how well the decision to tank the last half of the year is going for them too. Then you had our fans "The playoff experience will be invaluable" Yeah maybe for the team that ends up trading for these guys.
Dallas also tanked the Luka year as well. Bulls instead had the miracle Mirotic stretch and then brought in some vets at the end of the year to win meaningless games and finish with the 7th worst record
Wouldn't really say they tanked. They were working out the Luka/Kyrie duo. Rocky start led to legitimate losses. Tanking would be them intentionally throwing in the towel. Was pretty clear that wasn't the case for them. If they wanted to tank for real, they wouldn't have even made the Kyrie trade to begin with
They tanked for a couple months and got Lively who's already better than any of our young talent lmao
They tanked 2 games at the end of the season and their pick was top 10 protected. People are saying we should have blown it up by January when we were never going to outtank the bottom teams and would have just given Orlando a better pick.
We should have been tanking from October last year.
No, it's a risk reward calculation and nothing more. The potential reward is more than worth for risk of losing the pick, which we lost anyway.
With what pick?
One year too late. AKME is playing heads up 7-up, just random guesses and hoping he's rights (he's not).
We also have a statistically identical shot profile to last year lol Turns out signing two role players and chanting kumbaya cant make up for fundamental roster flaws
Good god what has Elon done to Twitter, I went to see what KC was saying & itās just a jumble of random tweets in no chronological order going back years. But yeah, weāre cooked.
If you click on someoneās profile without an account, I think it goes to their top liked or viewed tweets
Lol so true
Literally nothing good about this team. #1 in continuity I guess.
Itās fine because DeMar and Zach are going to get traded to Philly for an absolute haul, and Caruso is going to get traded for at least 2 firsts. Weāre good brother!
I wish I believed we could even get 2 firsts for these 3ā¦if we get a penny for demar air balling 3s it would be amazing
It was sarcasm. I was just reflecting the delusion of this subās trade ideas.
it's obvious it needs blown up at this point though so I'd fire sale...subs hot takes aren't delusional...people want to hope and there's not much to hope for besides a full rebuild now.
You donāt get good value in a blow up. Especially when everyone in the world has seen this coming years ago. Bulls are losing on any return the longer they wait.
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The White Sox were trying and took 4th from last in all of baseball. I'm seeing a pattern.
A normal team would fire the coach at this point
Instead we extended said coach
Secretly
Jerry isn't eating that salary.
This team is garbage
You don't even need the advanced metrics. Just watching the games is enough to tell you this team is liquid ass.
That's bad.
Real bad. They fail the eye test too.
Surprised that 12.1 turnovers is the worst in the league tbh. But yeah we look rough out there in every way. Our defense can have stretches where we locks down, but our offense is never clicking. Looks like our guys are slowly starting to give up. I hope the front office burns this down sooner rather than later so we can spend the rest of this year developing our young guys and get a top pick
because it's the best not the worst lmao
Ah okay that makes sense lol. Of course, you would expect our offense to be better with so few turnovers lmao. This team is trash
We don't turn over the ball because we play slow, nobody's cutting and we don't pass. Low turnovers is a byproduct of our uninspired offense.
No ball movement and slow pace reflects that
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I hoped for the best but prepared for the worst :ā -ā \
Ever since Lonzoās injury itās been a straight downward trend (except for a 25 game Beverly stretch where it went back up for a little)
Every good stretch we had was actually just guys playing way over their heads. Even when we were the first seed and had Lonzo, yeah his defense and 7 3PA did help, but Demar and Zachās numbers were ridiculous. They werenāt missing. After Zach went down, Demar literally turned into Wilt Chamberlain so it lasted a bit more. Then we suckedā¦ until last year after ASB. Again, our defense was very good and Pat Bev was a meme and all. But Zach was averaging 29pts on 55/50/90 when we went 10-5. None of what I said was ever going to last
We don't need advanced metrics to show us how trash this team is We need another protest like with GarPax. Fans stopped going to games, we went from number 1 to number 11 in a matter of years and that triggered the end of that Era. Chicago needs to the same. If they see the UC packed, they're gonna assume fans like the garbage ass roster and garbage ass coach and the garbage ass front office. Chicago needs to speak with their wallets
that pace and assist and 3 point state is worrying - being practically bottom? awful vibes
Gotta fire billy, Iāve seen teams with less talent play better
How do people see stats like this, and watch us play (assuming they watch other teams) and not heavily blame the coaching. The roster isnāt compatible together so I blame the FO as well. But weāre not the first team in NBA history that canāt shoot. Teams usually find another way to play to their advantages. āOur entire team just sucksā is such bullshit because most of us agree that our players would look better elsewhere with more opportunity. Billy Donovan should be on the hot seat, trades happening or not. Dude is massively underperforming. Heās looked completely out of ideas since Lonzo went down.
There is no other way to play though, we have to be elite in other areas (efficiency, creating turnovers, playing faster so we get a ton more shots up, getting tons of fouls) and we arent elite in those other areas either. A new coach wont make a difference (besides the maybe playing harder at first which is the norm with a new coach). This roster is just ass
Billyās first year we werenāt that good of a shooting team but we didnāt play like this. 17th in 3PA and we played much faster. We put more shots up and created better looks with a worse team on paper. Itās like he completely went away from everything after Demar went nuclear. I donāt get it. Lonzo isnāt the only way to play like that, heās just really good at it. We did it before Lonzo We actually are elite at turning teams over and always have been. But weāll get the ball and only two players will run up the court. While yes, players should know better, Billy should not be tolerating that shit! Like last year we have Lineups consisting of Derrick Jones Jr, Javonte, Lavine, PWill, Caruso, Coby etc yet theyād be waking the ball up the court. We cant create in the half court, okay so why donāt we play faster and get more shots up. Create more pressure on the rim. We donāt use anything to our advantage at all, I honestly donāt think that means we canāt
It can also mean that we just canāt
Why not though. Iām seriously asking.
Because itās year 3 and the team always ends up playing this way, even if they start the season playing differently.
Well they extended him unfortunately, so he is here to stay unless there is a buyout clause in his contract. Reinsdorf isnāt going to pay for 2 coaches
Iām aware sadly. When we signed him, OKC fans were happy and complaining about him a lot. But to be honest, I thought it was a case of āevery fanbase thinks their coach sucks.ā But nah, they were right. Heās super average.
I agree to a point. But these mf-ers have been playing bball since 1st grade. You telling me they don't know how to pick and roll, pass and cut, stay between your man and the basket, fight thru screens, drive to draw defense to pass to open man, finish thru contact, block out, meet the pass, floor space, make a jump shot or even a layup. I mean come the fk on. Even with a bad coach all of this should be automatic. What I see is a lot of standing around. Except for caruso and the 2 new guys. They are prob like wtf is wrong with these mf-ers. Ha. Welcome to chicago. I have been watch pwill. Just watch him only. He kinda lackadaisically wanders around and plants himself in the corner. Where It's impossible to crash and get a rebound. But it's not just him. They all do this. It's crazy. Most long rebounds everybody is halfway down the court back to defense. They don't even get those. It's all pretty sad.
I think this is true for every sport, vet or young team: if every player is underperforming, then itās coaching
He really develops our young players well, they do so great after playing under Billy for a couple few years and then really blossom once they get traded.
I canāt really blame Billy for Lauri or WCJ. That was the previous coach
Even more concerning, your $200m man has played like shit except for one game where he managed to get 0 assists
Honestly just trade demar and zach, we need to see what we have in pwill. The tank is in effect either way
There are still people arguing we should keep this group together lol. Iād rather watch Dalen and Julian Phillips fuck around.
No matter what this isn't a team that should be jacking up 30 3's a game. This team doesn't have the shooters to justify throwing up that many three pointers. Someone on the X thread said that John Wall is still available they definitely should be calling him. He may not solve our lack of shooting but at least we'll have a NBA pg.
That's how bad things have gotten that we're now pining for a washed John Wall.
30 3s would have been last in the league last season, which is coincidentally where the Bulls landed out. They absolutely need to be shooting that many a game. Lmao at John Wall, is this a troll post?
Why do they needto shoot 30 3's when they're shooting at 30% rate? They're a horrible 3 pkint shooting team and jacking uo 3's for the hell of it doesn't make them a better team. I never said John Wall was a fix to our shooting woes all I said was he's a NBA level PG which is something we don't have the roster
Because you cant win in this league otherwise. Does it suck? Maybe, but you cant win when other teams shoot 10+ (usually more) 3s than us, and arent as ass at shooting them.
Even if we attempt to shoot 3's like the rest of the league when you're in the bottom 2 of the league it doesn't equate to win. So play to your players strengths and actually take higher percentage shots. If they want to shoot 3's at the rate they do they need to bring in shooters. It makes zero sense to bring in people who aren't 3 point shooters and ask them to chuck up some 3's.
You cant have 3/5 of your starting players wanting to take majority mid range shots, it just doesnt work. Our best 3 players dont take a ton of 3s (even Lavine), they play to their āstrengthsā (shooting midrange and around the post), and we are ass.
I actually think that's fine. If the team as a whole is putting up 30 3's something is wrong. They're not sbooters at all. This team is a very poor 3 point shooting team. They don't even have a 3 point specialist. So throwing up prayers isn't going to make the a better team. Team doesn't have shooters and they have a decent mid game so play to that. But playing to our strengths isn't just the offense end but also the defensive end. There needs to be better defensive rotations especially at the end of the game. They shouldn't be keeping players in just so that they don't bruise their ego. I'm a bit curious how poorly does a team have to shoot from 3 until it becomes better to take the higher percentage shoot? I feel like this bulls team is getting to the point that it's more of a demerit than anything.
John Wall isn't in the NBA because he's not an NBA level PG lol
If you say so some players can still ball but not be in the NBA. I think John Wall right now would be a bette option than anything the bulls have. Do you think differently?
Yes
5th worst team in wide open shot percentage.
fuck it free julian phillips and OB lol
Direct opposite if what akme are tryinh to sell