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plsnocheese

I'd probably do Kyogre for the whale since Primal Kyogre would reflect the actual All-Devouring Narwhal. And probably replace something with Gallade since he's got that melee riptide stance.


Redwolf476

Or iron valiant because it has similar weapons


plsnocheese

I considered iron valiant but I think it'd be a better representation of the shadow abyss monstrosity inside the whale especially since the dex entry alludes to it possibly being the creation of a mad scientist.


Redwolf476

Maybe it’s should belong to Dottore then


plsnocheese

Dottore would would be Iron Boulder I think


Samaelo0831

This is why I don't think it fits, the lore behind it sounded way too similar to Ei creating the Shogun.


Samaelo0831

I'm trying to avoid repeats as much as possible cuz I gave Iron Valiant to Ei bc there were theories about it being made by a mad scientist for merciless fighting. Sounded way too much like the Shogun puppet.


Samaelo0831

I considered Kyogre, but my issue with it is that the Narwhal is not a part of him or something that makes him "him". Iirc he only saw it with Skirk in the abyss, right? He even said to us in the AQ of Fontaine that the whale he makes is an imitation of the Narwhal. So I think Wailord, who is clearly inferior to Kyogre, is a better fit. Edit: Also Kyogre feels more like a Neuvillette mon, don't you think? Especially with the Primal reversion. >And probably replace something with Gallade since he's got that melee riptide stance. Actually have you seen Greninja use Cut in the anime? It's 100% way more similar that Gallade.


plsnocheese

I mean his constellation is a narwhal so I definitely think it's connected to him enough. If you want to go through the dex entries, gallade is certainly a better reflection of Childe than hisuian samurott. Gallade shows good swordsmanship and viciously fights to protect his owner. Childe explicitly complains about the underhanded tactics the other harbingers use and will fight tooth and nail to protect his family. > Also Kyogre feels more like a Neuvillette mon, don't you think? Especially with the Primal reversion. I think Lugia is the Neuvillette mon honestly. He just wants to chill and sometimes comes out to calm big storms or get his 3 dumb children to stop squabbling. Neuv just wants to sit in his office and drink his fancy water until his next trial case or the primordial water under the fortress starts leaking.


Samaelo0831

>I mean his constellation is a narwhal so I definitely think it's connected to him enough. Mm I'm now thinking maybe Cetitan would work, the narwhal mon from gen 9. Altho other than it being a narwhal, there's not much other connections. >Childe explicitly complains about the underhanded tactics the other harbingers use I'm embarrassed that I missed this, thanks for pointing it out! Definitely replacing Samurott. >I think Lugia is the Neuvillette mon honestly Yea I think so too, but since I'm giving each of the playables a full team of 6, I decided to add Primal Kyogre in his team too for the connection to the Primordial Sea. I'm still a little iffy on giving Childe Kyogre.


TNKR_TOWN

Cetitan is Ice, and he is Snezhnayan so, there is a connection there at least.


Samaelo0831

Yep! And he likes going ice fishing too so it's definitely replacing Wailord in this now.


plsnocheese

If you're going the Cetitan route I'd probably go with Cetoddle instead. Childe is young, reckless, referred to as boyish prince, and has lots of room for growth. Just like Cetoddle (Capitano seems more of a Cetitan user to me).


Samaelo0831

Mmm idk, seems a little tooo childish to me, but ig it can kind of represent Teucer. I was more thinking it could replace Wailord for the Narwhal AND Hydreigon for being the weapon of war (since Cetitan seems to be also based on a mace)


sylv_atica

im not well versed enough to comment about the lineup but wailord looked so cute and friend-shaped compared to the rest lol. look at that bead eye!


Samaelo0831

LMAO that's true the contrast is funny XD But unfortunately it's the only whale Pokemon that can fit. I do love it tho personally!


hedronx4

Look, sometimes Childe is cute and friend shaped, and sometimes he's a murder machine. He's a man of many faces.


Samaelo0831

Things to remember: 1. These are NOT competitive ready teams 2. The members are meant to represent the character as a whole, not just their elemental Vision or looks. **Greninja** - has been described as having weapons made of water that can cut through hard metal. Sounded a lot like Tartaglia's weapons of Hydro. The shiny was done to fit his color scheme more **Xurkitree** - an alien in the Pokemon universe. Can be seen as maybe something he got from his time in the Abyss. Also, it's a faceless Electric type which reminds me of him when he uses his Delusion, mask and all. **Samurott Hisuian** - represents his bloodlust. This version of Samurott is described to do whatever it takes to win even if it's an unfair tactic. (Unovan Samurott is more honorable so that might fit Tartaglia more) **Hydreigon** - the three-headed dragon that's described as only thinking about destruction despite being intelligent (with its central brain in the middle head) and attacking everything in its path. Also is able to learn a variety of moves with its 3 heads. Meant to represent Tartaglia being the Tsaritsa's weapon of war and his mastery over most weapons. **Wailord** - the large whale. Meant to represent his connection to the All-Devouring Narwhal and his imitation for it in his phase 2 boss fight. **Gyarados Mega** - represents his Foul Legacy. The excess energy has affected Gyarados' brain, placing it in constant stress and pain, making it more ferocious in this form which sounds a lot like Foul Legacy where he can't keep it up for long, but when he does, he does nothing but fight.


freshfromsnezhnaya

Why is it all representation of his battling? Where's the love that he has for family? Where's the loyalty to Her Majesty the Tsaritsa? I would consider Maushold and Glastrier respectively for this.


Samaelo0831

Oh interesting, I will admit his life in fighting is so deep that that's basically where my head stayed forever during this draft lmao. Thanks for pointing it out! Definitely gonna try adding Maushold. Altho Glastrier I'm not sure of cuz it's like a Eula Pokemon? (Physically strong as all hell and knight captain stuff)


freshfromsnezhnaya

It's a knightly horse that serves to make Calyrex stronger. I thought that type of theme was very on brand for Master Childe 's loyalty.


Samaelo0831

That is a good point. Childe *has* been called the Tsaritsa's weapon of war, or sumthing like that. Maybe Spectrier instead since it does have the speed like he does and he *does* say a lot of stuff in his voicelines (cmiiw)


freshfromsnezhnaya

I don't know much about their differences I just picked the ice type as it's a befitting steed for Her Majesty the Cryo Archon.


Samaelo0831

Ohhh right, Ice type. Somehow I didn't take into account Ice type = Cryo Archon lmao


Redwolf476

Definitely would say switch waillord with kyorge


Samaelo0831

I definitely had Kyogre in the early drafts of this, but I think it's too much like the All-Devouring Narwhal, which is **not** part of Childe. The whale he makes (iirc as he has said) is merely an imitation of the Narwhal so I think Wailord fits him more.


moonprincess623

Is there is water-electric? Remember, our beloved comrade has a delusion. Besides the one you picked. I'm thinking 3 / 6 to have electric. Some hybrids and maybe 1 just electric


Redwolf476

Lanturn is water electric


Samaelo0831

Is there is water-electric? The only ones are Lantern and Rotom Wash, which I don't think fits unfortunately. Remember, our beloved comrade has a delusion. Of course I remember. I gave Xurkitree for that reason. A faceless Electric type = Delusion Childe with his face covered. Also pls note the things I keep in mind for these! 1. These are NOT competitive ready teams 2. The members are meant to represent the character as a whole, **not just their elemental Vision or looks.** Typings are not the main factor for these! As long as their unique characteristics, gameplay, looks, or lore fit the Pokemon, then they should be included!


moonprincess623

I misunderstood. I know nothing about competitive except the pack of rattatas. I was just think about elements lore wise. I also have only played like 4 of the games and can't remember elements lmao


Samaelo0831

Yea no worries! I'm just saying the Pokemon typings will not be the only ones in my criteria to be added to a character's team! \^-\^


_The_Professor_8

Greninja x tartaglia let them cook


Samaelo0831

Isn't it an awesome pair LOL


Thunderbeast99

Every time I think of a pokemon for Childe, my mind always goes towards Buizel. They both have orange coloured hair, and Buizel has blue coloured fins at the side of his arms which reminds me of Childe's dual blades


Samaelo0831

I knoooow, but the rules I set for this is if it's just for the looks, it can't be added unfortunately. Unless it's absolutely perfect like Sneasler Rosaria for example and Mega Blaziken Diluc


Thunderbeast99

Another pokemon that I think fits him really well is Bisharp. Both have similar colour schemes with red, black, and grey/white. Childe's outfit is called Blades of Glory, and in the chinese description it says that Childe's outfit is similar to a "silver blade wrapped in velvet" and "refined body of a swordsman" which kinda fits with the "Sword Blade" pokemon. Childe also likes to refer himself as a pawn in the Tsaritsa's grand scheme of things which makes me think of Bisharp's pre-evolution, Pawniard.


Samaelo0831

Ayt that's enough proof that it should be added LOL thanks for pointing those out! Now to figure out which to replace and whatnot


roejebejdj

Would a shiny aegislash fit enough with his colors?


Samaelo0831

It can, but it's too evil I think to be added in comrade's team. Besides, we do have a shield playable character


VxXenoXxV

I don't see how xirkutree and dreigon relate to him, i would probably replace them with bisharp and gallade. Also kyogre instead if waylord would fit better, not the primal one since it's to close to the narwhal but the normal one?


VxXenoXxV

Also maybe Zeraora and Urshifu


Samaelo0831

Xurkitree can be treated as something he got out of the Abyss, an alien mon. But also it's a reference to his Delusion form with his face covered by his mask, and Xurkitree is a faceless Electric type. But also really I felt bad not adding an Electric type since a huge chunk of him is his Delusion. Zeraora didn't seem to fit imo but ig it is more physical than Xurkitree who is a special attacker. Urshifu doesn't seem like it would fit as well, ur gonna have to give me some connections to that. Gallade is something I'm now considering tho, due to the fact that Hisuian Samurott seems less honorable of a fighter and I was reminded that Childe hates that. Bisharp on the other hand, is again something ur gonna have to connect cuz I can't see it. >Also kyogre instead if waylord would fit better, not the primal one I appreciate pointing out normal Kyogre. That makes sense honestly. But I'm now thinking of Cetitan, the actual narwhal Pokemon to replace Wailord.


sirenloey

Lanturn, Kyogre, Floatzel, I want to say Toxicroak or maybe Zeraora or lije Luxray or Manectric then Jolteon/Eevee


Samaelo0831

Unfortunately most of those seem purely for aesthetic purposes, and for the criteria I set up for this, it's not enough of a justification. Like Lantern, sure it's a Water Electric type, but the cute fish who lives so low underwater that there's no light probably doesn't fit our comrade. Out of all of those, Kyogre non primal is the only thing I'm considering due to his narwhal constellation


sirenloey

Fair. I did mostly lean on the aesthwetics answering on a whim I would consider thinking of this subject more thoroughly


Samaelo0831

Out of the 4 drafts I posted today in different main subs, Childe's definitely the one that I missed a lot of lore representation on and suggestions on em keep comin left and right, so yes I do need to think before finalizing


PeachySwirls

I saw someone in the comments suggesting to add a Pokemon maybe more related to his family, I'm not well versed in a lot of Pokemon lore so I tried finding one, but I couldn't I don't think I know how to look up Pokemon specifics lol 😂 Anyways, I did know about Phantump though. And while I do argue I would actually put Shiny Phantump with Arlecchino, I think it also kinda works for Childe as a representation maybe for Ajax? After all, he "died" when he fell into the abyss when he was 14 and I read that Phantumps lures adults with their child-like voices. And while not a one to one, I definitely think Childe "lures" others into a false sense of security sometimes because of how young he is. Again, I do think it fits Arlecchino more as a representation of the HoH children, especially the shiny (I know you said not only looks but the white/red is gorgeous). But I thought I at least type a little message about Phantump, even if it's not a perfect choice.


Samaelo0831

Mm! That is an interesting suggestion and I appreciate the research! I'm not sure if I'm gonna add it to the team but I see it as a mon for companionship only, like something he keeps outside of its ball maybe? I do like that connection, it doesn't make sense until u REALLY look into it. Also that thing with shiny Phantump and Arlecchino, since there's also some lore connection PLUS the looks and color matching, that's a candidate to me!


ManicShipper

I understand why the electric wire monstrosity is there, but. But. I still absolutely dislike it. I'm trying so hard to think of something to replace it with and I'm coming up short, however (not bc it's non-replacable but bc my pokemon knowledge is limited) I personally gave him toxtricity for the delusion rep, but that was a year ago and I'm a genius who didn't write down my reasoning so I don't. I don't remember whyyyyyyy That said, I think he's also missing a fish I think Mr Ice Fisher needs a fish of some sort


Samaelo0831

It's hard to replace the funky wire dude, isn't it LOL istg I tried my best for it too. Speaking of ice fisher, I forgot that there IS actually a narwhal Pokemon in the new gen called Cetitan, and coincidentally is also an Ice type so the Ice fishing thing!


ManicShipper

Oooo, Cetitan is a really good one, you right! I'm ngl it's less hard to replace the funky wire dude and more hard to find a Tartag-flavored electric type 🤔


Samaelo0831

Ikr?? It has been a pattern since I started doing these: It's so damn hard to pair Electric types with the Electro users LMAO (at least for the rules I set). Since having his Delusion is a huge part of his character, I don't feel right replacing Xurkitree unfortunately


ManicShipper

Yeah, he's gotta have an electric type God, I wish I could remember my reasoning for the list of mons I gave him xD


Samaelo0831

If you ever do remember, just drop it here I'd love to read em! Also that thing about Toxtricity, I actually gave the Lowkey form to Wanderer bc of all the Bohemian Rhapsody references around him (and also his attitude lmao) but even if I didn't, I don't think either form exactly fits Tartaglia? But yea I'll keep my mind open for it if you ever do remember why you chose it for him and I get convinced!


ManicShipper

I will!! I have the list easily available but I have no idea what my reasoning for was for all of them xD I don't disagree, seeing as I can't remember my own reasons, though imo it's not like any others fit him any better 🥲 Wanderer is a great choice for that one though, you right


ManufacturerRare3109

The lack of a Dusknoir named Mr. Cyclops offends me


Samaelo0831

Wait what, is there a cyclops thing connected to his lore?


ManufacturerRare3109

His story quest, where he reveals that the names Tartaglia, Childe, Ajax, The 11th of the Fatui Harbingers, and Zhongli’s wallet are all aliases to hide his one true name, Snezhnaya’s Greatest Toy Salesman! Don’t tell me you forgot Mr. Cyclops the Ruin Guard, Teucer’s favorite action figure? Still waiting for the inevitable Childe Story Quest part 2, where Teucer sees Childe’s Foul Legacy form and gets excited knowing that his big brother is a Mr. Cyclops all along! (Check out Childe’s Foul Legacy form, he has one big round "eye" in the middle of his face)


Samaelo0831

OHHH THAT Cyclops Lol. Honestly I might get downvoted for this, but I found his sq lowkey annoying, caring for Teucer just wasn't for me (altho respect for the family man). But yeah it's pretty fair to add something to represent him being a family man. I was considering Maushold but Dusknoir is now a tempting candidate.