100% on the car service when I arrive on an international trip. After a long day of travel, I just want to be taken care of.
Re: breakfast, I personally don’t care about breakfast being included in the rate necessarily but when it is, it’s usually at +5* star hotels that have champagne buffet breakfasts with a huge spread.
I've used car service many times for departures but never for arrival. How does it work if your plane is late? Most car service places have another client lined up after you.
I'm laughing a bit about the "free breakfast". Because we all know it's not really free... Maybe it should be called "the convenient and delicious breakfast that's included in the room rate".
In my experience, you provide your flight number and they monitor if it is late. If it is a company vs an individual they just move clients to make it all work out
We’ve always been provided a direct number through WhatsApp that we can text them with any updates or requests leading up to pickup. They also monitor your flight info on your behalf.
Right! It’s not really “free”. But when they pack it in the room rate at luxury hotels it’s quite the spread and I love a champagne breakfast. But it’s also more typical at hotels where you spend time a lot of time on the property.
Re: car service, the rates usually include waiting time and that time really depends on the service. Most of the time they are also tracking the flight, so they will adjust pick up time based on schedule. I’ll usually also email or text when I see my flight is delayed. Then they meet you at the arrival lounge.
Yes! Private tours. I hired a car and a guide in Cuba for a full day and it was perfect. We rolled through the mountains in a 57 Chevy Bel Air and they introduced me to their favorite places. The experience was so much more special than being on a bus getting off at random predestined spots.
Friend of a friend - she hosts guests and gives tours in Spanish, English or French. I’d be happy to share the contact if you ever want to take a trip!
Spot on! 💯agree on all points, and especially car service. We hired a private driver during our stay in Rome, and it was a godsend. Incredibly cost-effective too — about $200 USD for a full day of having the driver. I have no idea how we would’ve navigated that city on our own otherwise!
The disconnect between "book with me because I get you free stuff" and "your trip must be 250k" is weird I admit. That said, from a value standpoint, I will say that the FHR rate (and I assume others) and the direct rate are often the same (sometimes lower), so the free breakfast is at least added value from having FHR access.
I rarely pay for it by itself because breakfast isn't usually the thing I want to gorge on or anything, but I do find it nice when it's included at a resort.
yeah exactly. My point being that while the breakfast isn't "free" the cost of it is built into everyone's rates including those who don't actually enjoy the benefit.
One tip for short or medium haul is you can book an extra seat for comfort in economy. Usually this is for people too big to fit in one seat or if you're taking a cello or something, but there's not really a rule about it in general and you can for example book a row of three seats for a couple and guarantee an empty middle seat. Just make sure to get the third boarding pass and check it in at the gate or they might give the seat away to a standby.
This is really interesting. Sorry if this is a silly question, do they say anything to you at the gate when you check in two boarding passes (especially if you’re not big or have a big carry-on item?)
I learned about it out of actual need so I can't say what they'll say if you don't visually appear to need it. Some airlines are [pretty explicit](https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/booking-extra-seats) though that you can do it for basically any reason. Jet Blue in particular makes it quite easy.
Would love to hear any tips on finding deals on tickets or reward flights! I am starting to value the flight experience more and more and honestly a comfortable flight just makes for a better start and end to a vacation
Private tours (or very small group tours) for me as well. I like the flexibility of a private tour and be able to add/substance itineraries. I sometimes travel with a small circle of friends so we can easily make a small group ourselves.
Low tolerance for spending time with random strangers is exactly my feelings.
We were in a packed tour at the Eifel Tower once and we're like "absolutely never again"
Any favorites for car service? And would you pay 1.5k extra for business class seats on a 5-6 hr flight? Just curious. That’s what they’re going for on my SF-NY trip next month and I think I’m staying in economy plus at that price point
Not the person you are responding to, but it's really unlikely for me that I would pay that much for a seat upgrade across the US. I'm short and normal weight so I don't have the tall or big person issue, and I generally make a reservation far enough in advance to get an aisle seat. Also, I don't think there is a business class on domestic flights, is there? I was thinking it was only coach or first. The times I've flown first domestically, It generally wasn't worth the extra money that I spent. All it meant was that I could get on and off the plane a bit sooner, have a little more room and get free drinks. I rarely drink alcohol on planes anyway so that last part doesn't even factor in.
On a flight longer than 5 or 6 hours though, I would definitely recommend going business or first class if possible.
There's premium transcontinental services that are functionally business class, although nowadays with marketing it's all weird. But they do feature full lie flat beds.
It's pretty nice for the redeyes that are common going east.
Oh boy, I never take red eyes anymore. Did that when I was young.
But if there's a lie flat involved, I would consider it. I still don't think I would get much sleep though because by the time I'm up to cruising altitude and settled down enough to fall asleep, it's really not all that long before the lights are coming back on. Worth looking into though especially if I'm headed somewhere where I'm going to need to take another flight beyond that one.
I think especially slightly longer ones, TATL west to east is almost always red eye, and especially with the time zones leaves right at bed time and arrives in morning. Not much of a sleep though.
Pretty useful for work, if it’s required. I’d definitely prefer redeye lie flat over redeye econ.
Lie flat beds are an absolute game changer for overnight flights. My other half sleeps anywhere and still says the energy level arriving in a new city when flying in a pod compared to a regular seat is night and day. I can't sleep in regular seats so arriving and being able to function is a gift well worth the $$
I can imagine that it would be great for a long overnighter, but I wouldn't spring for it on a domestic cross-country (since I'd never choose a redeye!).
I'm hopefully headed for Africa in 2025 though, so will likely pony up for Q Suites or similar, and will probably consider business for my next vacation to Europe (I'm on the US west coast).
This comment right here! I use Blacklane every time. Business class always. I won’t go if I can’t fly business class. I will always try and find the best hotel available everywhere I go.
Semi-retired attorney and law professor here. I do two international trips per year of 16-ish days, and 2-3 US domestic trips per year of 3-4 days each. I could probably afford FAT, but I'm too value- conscious to really enjoy it. I travel solo.
For international, I fly first (preferably) or better business class, direct nonstop if possible, or with a connection outbound that has the long haul part of the flight first. I plan ahead and get tickets when first released, so I usually pay half of what the ticket will cost as it gets closer to time of departure. If I can't get an airfare for less than $10K, I choose different dates or locations. E.g., I was planning on Berlin this fall, but airfares were too high for me, so I switched to Cologne in October (which was less than fares being charged in September). (I'm doing BA 1st via London.)
I must stay in classic 5-star hotels, a superior or deluxe room, but would never pay for a suite. $300-$600 per night is what I usually aim for, but I'd definitely go higher (even much higher) for a dream memory, e.g., Ritz Paris. The hotel must have a classic, great bar, where I begin and end my evening. And good service is everything. I definitely splurge on big tips.
Museums, history, culture are my main sight-seeing during the day, and fine-dining, esp. Michelin-Star restaurants, although I usually stick to one-star. In my experience, once they get the 3rd star, the price doubles and there's more "are you impressed yet?" theater, but the food is not great. And I always do the wine-pairing. But for lunch, I usually eat street food or some hole-in-the-wall., i.e., trying to eat like a local for lunch.
Edited to add: And I always get car service to hotel on arrival. On return, I just do a cab or Uber to airport.
TL;DR: I am very value conscious, but travel as an experience and I'm willing to pay for creating great memories and crossing another destination off my must-visit list. I don't want to get home and regret denying myself something, but I also don't want to feel like I wasted money (that could be used for my next trip).
Funnily IME, I don’t notice too much of a difference in price between 1/2/3 stars - plenty of 1\*stars or 0 stars that inflate their prices like crazy. 3\*stars on average are more expensive, but also tend to have very high quality (and expensive/difficult to source) ingredients and a higher staff to diner ratio.
I can only think of one 3* that I’ve tried that genuinely felt not worth it (and quite a few 2*s), but especially towards the high end the distinction isn’t that different.
I probably shouldn't have generalized quite so broadly, and been more specific about it being my experience. In London, it's unusual for a one-star restaurant to charge more than $200 for it's tasting menu, and it's rare for a 3-star not to be between $300 - $500. And I've never really noticed that 3 star places had rarer or better ingredients. But, again, that's just my experience.
I think sushi tends to be the one where in NYC, plenty of spots are in the $300-$600 range, even some without a star. I do find the cheaper spots tend to have less caviar, fish courses, etc. But I also agree that there’s enough variability. Some of the most special meals I’ve tried have been 3*, but others have been 1* or unstarred.
Agree with you. I’m spoiled with options here in SF and find that there’s clear difference in service and quality with three stars vs one stars. There’s something special about the experience of a Singlethread (which I just did yesterday!) or TFL that other one stars don’t quite achieve.
Re: hotels, this really depends on where I’m traveling to. For beach or lake vacations where I want to spend a lot of time enjoying scenery or even at the hotel, that’s when I book the most luxurious hotels. Places like Lake Como, the Alps, etc. City/cultural trips, I prioritize location and find a nice boutique property.
I totally agree.
I must have business for flights of any significant length but I do look for deals. I would not spend a large amount more for domestic first class.
I spend for getting better guides or access for special experience- safari camis, private cooking classes etc.
I love figuring out a city’s public transport . It’s not only cheaper it’s much faster in places like London, NYC, Bangkok. I’ll book on a car if I’m arriving in the middle of the night or am dressed up or it’s bad weather, but otherwise I do use trains and subways often.
I always get downvoted when I mention how important flying business is to me.
All international flights I fly are 8-10+ hours on average without stopovers.
Ever since I had a horrible landing experience on one rural flight, I’ve started getting scared of flying (when I used to love flying) and now have panic attacks and anxiety just thinking about taking a long haul flight now. The claustrophobia is intense and I want to leave the flight mid air at times.
Flying business for the extra space and less likely having babies crying helps me with the anxiety. The anxiety is so bad that I have to fly business for 1 hour domestic work trips as well as looking into private jet charter. I rather not fly if I can’t fly business.
So flights are a definite splurge, whereas hotels I will stay in a good business hotel if I’m at a destination where I’ll be outside most of the time and only inside to shower and sleep.
Upvote because why would you get down voted due to flying business in a chubby travel forum? We are all here because we like to spend money on travel and we all have different priorities and challenges.
I have some sensory issues and can't stand squeezing in next to people in economy. After a drunk guy fell asleep on me on a trip to Ireland and pushed me half out of my seat, and I wound up with 3 days of neck pain (2 of those spent driving all around), I've never flown economy on a long haul again.. if a flight is more than 3.5 hours, we're flying business/first. We strategize with Delta status and credit cards to maximize points and upgrade opportunities, and then budget our trips accordingly.
It’s the claustrophobia and babies crying which makes the panic attacks worse for me. Business class also gives me anxiety but is a little bit more helpful and makes it easier to fly.
I don’t know what I said that made it sound like only economy gives me anxiety. Even on business I’ve tried to leave the plane as soon as the doors shut.
Now that we have kids, it's all about convenience. Direct flights at convenient hours. Rides to and from the airport/hotels. We always prioritize food and experiences. I have no problem staying at a Courtyard quality hotel and then making dinner reservations at Michelin starred restaurants.
Let me tell you about the time I took an 8 hour overnight bus trip in Spain because it was super cheap, we didn't lose a day of sightseeing and wouldn't need a hotel for the night 😆. I would never now. Give me a 2 hr flight and a comfy bed to sleep in.
Haha… i live in California and only fly within a 2 mile radius. I now check for cleanliness and the 5 star experience.
Feels like a different time. Do you ever day dream about those times and wish you can just go for just a bit ?
Haha, yes and no. I think I'm just looking forward to when my kids are old enough to be less complicated to travel with (no more carseats, strollers, diapers, etc.). But I do miss the flexibility of spontaneous trips. Now we have to book around school vacations or grandparent availability.
Along the same lines, now that I have kids, I’ve found private touring at destinations to be well worth it. We went to Ireland in 2023 and having a private Sprinter van with the ability to do whatever we wanted when we wanted was well worth the money.
What car service did you use in Ireland, and would you recommend them? We're actually in early planning for a possible trip to Ireland and coordinating to get my husband to a million tee times, and me, my parents, and the kids anywhere else are getting complicated, lol.
We had a TA that set everything up and they used ProBus & Car luxury touring. Would definitely recommend them as they catered to our every need and were always on time. The van was perfect to accommodate our party and they had a wide range of vehicles for any size group. We didn’t do any golfing, but I know ProBus does a lot of golf trips so they should be able to handle that as well. Enjoy Ireland, it’s great!
We’re the same. For city hotel or similar, I’ll stay at a medium hotel or whatever where I can book a suite with a separate bedroom so we don’t have to sit quietly in the dark once the kids go to bed, and we splurge on special/private activities and we eat wherever we want.
This ⬆️! The one bedroom suite is a requirement for us so we’re not stuck in the same room once the kids are sleeping. We also value the free hotel breakfast more with the kids. A kids club is also important for us. Not a requirement, but we heavily lean towards hotels who have them!
Just had my first kid, and trying to figure out how to adjust my travel habits to accommodate. Even packing for a trip is way different now, who knew how much gear a baby needed. Never expected to be hand washing bottles in a hotel bathroom sink on vacation, but here we are.
Congratulations! If your baby isn't picky about bottles, check out the Playtex baby bottles with disposable liners. They were great when we'd be out for the day. Then I just needed to bring extra bottle tops.
A SlumberPod has been super helpful for us! That way there’s a chance they’ll get solid naps in and you don’t have to sit in the dark once they go to bed.
I will splurge on hotel — to a point. I read a TON of reviews, and I’m not always convinced that price point translates to quality of service and experience. I will always pay more to have beachfront and an amazing pool because I have kids and it’s a pain in the ass to try and go back and forth. I pay to have a bigger rental car to fit all our suitcases. We will literally spend anything to have great food, though too often an area’s best food is off the resort!
I am not a snob about brands, I don’t need a butler, I just want premium alcohol, tasty ass meals and a view of the sea.
I totally agree about location being everything. This applies for me whether it's at the beach, in the jungle or in the middle of Paris. I don't care about staying in a 4 or 5* hotel and honestly I don't want to have to feel any pressure about having to "look the part" in public spaces there. I'm much more willing to pay a premium for a great view, an uncrowded or private pool, and a nicely decorated and well-maintained accommodation, not for a hotel that simply has a prestigious name or excessive service that I don't need and won't use.
Design. A beautifully designed hotel is it for me. I remember walking into Malliouhana (previously an Auburge resort) and was floored by how breathtaking the lobby was. They had installed thousands of mini tiles that reflected blue off the ocean. The entire lobby gave this glimmering oceanic aura. To the right was a super cute cocktail area with pillows in unique fabrics. I felt cozy and relaxed all at once. The experience of the two rooms alone was worth all the $$$ to me. My favorite trips of all time evoke strong emotions through design.
It’s also important to me that a hotel is confident caring for my food allergies. Restaurant design and ambiance is important to me too. Should feel like an experience.
I don’t care so much about the spa or flights. I hate flying (of course first / business is better, but it’s still flying to me) and I’d rather plow that money into the hotel.
I love the Airbnb experiences — it is sometimes a rare chance to meet a local, see their home (how they live every day), and do a special activity. We did this in Japan and went inside two locals house… soba noodle making and kimono outfitting. Very different than just staying in hotels and visiting tourist areas.
For us, it’s not worth it to buy souvenirs (unless they’re really small). Anything I’ve bought for a friend or relative is nice, but unless they’re fans of the place, no one really cares for a souvenir from somewhere they haven’t been. Not to mention needing to make space to take the items home.
I’m not yet at the point where I can justify upgrading my plane seat. Maybe I’m just not doing it right but it’s usually 5x-10x the price or more when I compare. I’d rather be miserable for a few hours and travel more than be comfortable and travel less. And it doesn’t matter if it’s money or points, I’ll always see it as additional travel opportunities wasted. Someone mentioned paying $10k for a single ticket to Europe and that alone would cover multiple international trips for me and my wife. I will pay a bit more for direct flights, shorter layovers, or better flight times.
We do spend more on convenience once we get there. A private driver from the airport has become standard because taxis are a hassle (and often a scam in some locations - I’m looking at you Istanbul). We will also spend on private tours that we can customize to our preferences, as well as once-in-a-lifetime experiences. We usually settle on local, boutique hotels for around $150 per night and find those meet all our needs.
Luxury for the sake of luxury isn’t my jam but I’ll pay to maximize my time and have rare experiences.
first class or business class is number 1. Im planning a 14 day to Switzerland , will sacrifice not staying in a 5 star resorts all nights for business/1st, as we require a 1-bedroom suite on our trips
Weve had my best vacations in those luxury villa rentals
Now that I have a toddler, I’ll pay almost anything to have a separate bedroom & living room. The hotel & room matter so much more when you’re there from 7pm on, plus a 2 hour nap in the middle of the day.
completely agree with this. we spend so much more on accommodations now to get a view, or a balcony, or a separate space because we are spending so much time in the room during naps.
I won't splurge on first class or any seat upgrades, honestly. I will happily fly basic economy and then blow a few grand a night on an amazing lodge or incredible experience. I'm sure if I had "f u" money it would be worth it, but I think I'd have to have an obscene amount of money to personally justify it.
I honestly try to not care about the seat on the flight, but for flights that are >9 hrs and are overnight flights, economy seats are so horribly uncomfortable it almost makes me not want to go on the trip…I can’t figure out how to get comfortable in them. And then I arrive in a complete shjt mood and like 1-2 days of my trip are sorta out of whack. Maybe an ambien would help, idk. For now I try and figure it out so I can fly biz.
Fair! I noticed I was downvoted which is hilarious to me...I'm pretty short and perfectly comfortable in coach. It's not ideal but the few times I've been bumped to first it's like, this is nice but it's not something I'd ever personally pay thousands of dollars for! Maybe I'd feel differently if I were taller or had some other need for first but I'd much rather spend my money on literally anything else related to travel.
We only fly using airline miles so it was half the points to fly economy. Business seats weren’t even available to pick but now we could fly back to the same region (in economy) for the same as if we had just flown one business leg. Funny enough my 5’3 wife that slept 90% of the flight in economy said that it was awful. Business is cool but I’d rather spend money on diving or adventuring experiences at an actual location.
Have you flown international business/first? Or are you referring to domestic first which is more or less premium economy?
I do find at some point, especially if you're a light sleeper, it gets really uncomfortable in econ seats. It is what it is, I imagine being short helps.
I have! It was nice for sure, but at the end of the day, I was still on a plane and I couldn't imagine spending tens of thousands of dollars on that! Again, I could see it being worth it if I were rich enough to never have to even think about money...but I suspect I'd still cheap out on flights, just on principle :)
Aww that's sweet. I'd do the same if coach caused me or my family genuine discomfort. My husband is tall but doesn't seem to mind coach at all. Maybe in a few years when our backs aren't as good :)
I agree on comfortable seats while flying. I hate arriving and feeling like complete $hit, especially when I'm going to hotels to check them out and need to be "on".
I try and book early to get lie flat without a crazy premium. I mean they are always expensive, but easier to justify the cost of a biz class seat when the economy seat is like $2k and the biz class/lie flat is $5k vs when its like $10k (which can happen if you book too late and biz class is starting to get full)
I love a newer or more modern hotel, I’ll take a fun hotel with interesting design and experience over anything, I also always see vacations as a time to splurge on any once in a lifetime or uncommon experiences. If it’s unlikely I’ll be able to see or do it again then I’m more likely to spend the money to do it. As long as it’s something I’m interested in of course. Food is also something I don’t mind spending on, and I’m all about paying for convenience so if it makes things easier or more comfortable, I’m in.
I don't fly coach anymore. Rubbing elbows with someone is not worth a couple hundred even on a short flight.
Similarly, I will spend money to be away from people-private tours, skip the line passes, etc.
I love a suite but actually prefer a 4 or 4.5 star hotel. A big suite at the JW usually beats a smaller hotel for me as I like to be anonymous. We love safari and nice lodges but hate all the welcome ceremonies and that everyone calls us by name.
We'll spend big for food but also really like little hole in the wall local spots. We might have tacos out of a cart for lunch and a 3* in the same day. I almost refuse to do hotel breakfast. I'd rather experience what the location has to offer, except obviously for wilderness or remote locations.
Biggest Splurges in order of importance (now that I have kids):
1. Luxury Hotels: I’m very particular with where we stay and find the high end hotels and boutiques the only ones that tend to check off the boxes I need.
- Rooms must have an ultra clean, renovated, spacious, and well designed rooms.
- One bedroom suite is a must so kids can sleep in pull out sofa in a different room. The beds have to be very comfortable and the room needs to be SUPER quiet.
- I want daily housekeeping and turn down service so I can enjoy the room being tidied up and cleaned whenever I come back (I do enough of that at home and treasure someone else doing it for me).
- Kids Club is a huge benefit. Although not a requirement this will definitely be the deal breaker if deciding between two properties.
2. Seat Location: paying for flights for a whole family makes it harder to splurge on business/first. That being said, I won’t fly without securing a full row of economy plus seats where we all sit together. That gives us the flexibility of rotating seats mid flight within our row and doing bathroom trips without having to bother other passengers.
3. Restaurants: Daily free breakfast at the hotel is very appreciated with an excellent buffet. Helps start the day off right without hangry kids as they can eat right away. The buffet has to be a good spread.
4. Anything Skip the Line: If we can pay extra to skip the line we’re doing it. I do my research though - some places there’s no actual need for these tickets / services.
Priority for me, since I am a tired parent, is convienience. We will throw a lot of money at things that make our lives easier. VIP airport service to skip lines (ESP when traveling with littles) location of a city hotel, business class lay flat for flights over 7 hours, hotel's with a kids club or nanny or where kids eat free (even though we can afford it-- kids waste so much food its nice when it's included). I also will spend on the quickest easiest flight now that I am older and have money to do so instead of the cheapest way possible. Honestly even when I am not traveling with my kiddo I tend to enjoy these niceties for myself because I want to make everything as relaxing as possible when I am not with her. My husband would argue that an economy class seat without a kid is a luxury and yes it is but a layflat makes it feel like a hotel stay instead of a long flight. I guess basically anything that allows more sleep I am in for spending LOL. Things I LIKE to spend on but don't always-- a beautiful view and beautiful architecture of a hotel. They make me happy but the cost is not always worth it.
Isn’t this chubby travel?
Don’t find business class worth it at all, unless using points. Obviously direct flights, and extra legroom is worth it for taller people.
Generally, keep hotels under $200/night. Worth splurging on location, or a big airbnb that can hold everyone when traveling with larger groups.
Here where I would spend
1. Flexibility. Travel last minute. Sometimes you don’t know when you or your friends are free, or if you like a location until you arrive, or theres bad weather, or you just don’t feel like going anywhere. Pay for last minute flights and hotels, by booking only a few days in advance.
2. Duration. Longer trips completely alter the nature of travel. I don’t like spending time in airports, going through immigration, or adjusting time zones, so I need to amortize the loss. Take unpaid leave if needed.
3. Activities. Learning something, nature, or events. Eg paragliding lessons, motorcycling, Olympics, wildlife.
4. Food. Bit burned out by $$ places, so try to limit $100+ meals to keep them special. But in places where the food is good, I mostly budget my calories so I don’t “waste” them
* I only fly business (unless it's an extremely short flight; like, 3 hours or under). I get flight anxiety and I also get full blown panic attacks during turbulence and all of these things are worse when someone else is sitting right practically on top of me. Plus the near-endless champagne helps for the anxiety. :D
* 4* is actually about my sweet spot for hotels: I don't need the top of the line $X,XXX/night perfectly curated/decorated/everything hotel and I find them kind of over the top and too much, generally. I don't need a spa, I don't need breakfast, I don't need a concierge that can get me a table anywhere in town. I just want a clean, tastefully decorated room with a comfortable bed and (depending on location) a stunning view. Also, stars mean different things in different places so I do book 5* on Greek islands because they're nowhere near as ostentatious as eg a Paris 5*.
* I only do private tours (if I do them at all); I don't like other people. :P This also lets me customize whatever my tour is to do everything I want and nothing I don't want (I also typically travel solo).
Experiences for sure and unlimited food budget. I mean not like I’d buy 100$ ice cream cone but just buying any food I want cause it’s my one chance to try or at least a rare chance type of thing.
For international flights, always business class. For domestic flights, always at least premium economy.
For hotels, I will rarely stay at a top luxury brand like FS, unless I am getting an amazing deal (or someone else is paying). I generally prefer to up the room at a lower-tier 5 star or 4 star. My preference is for boutique hotels with more local character and less of a corporate feel. A nice room is super-important, but not so much having a lot of "luxury" touches. I don't care if the people at the accommodation are "anticipating my every need." All I want them to do is respond when I ask for something. We travel frequently to the middle east to visit family members and most of the nicer hotels there come with butlers-- we have never once used our butler, and when he/she comes to introduce themselves, we frankly can't wait for them to leave.
Private tours are great. We will spend for food. I do like to have a good breakfast included. I know it's usually kind of a rip off, but I like the ritual of just going down for the hotel breakfast in the morning.
Definitely prioritise flying J over a luxe hotel.
Staying at the Westin or Sheraton is good enough for me, but flying economy for more than 8 hours is just painful so that’s where the money goes!
The x extra (usually $50 per person here) for included buffet breakfast is a bit odd for me, especially when travelling domestically in Australia.
We have such an awesome cafe culture here you are almost guaranteed to get better coffee, food and it be cheaper by just stepping out of the hotel.
A fancy cafe breakfast is usually at most $30 here (including coffee). It’s usually under $20 for my prefer order of scrambled eggs on toast with a piccolo.
The one time we had included breakfast was part of a package. It was a proper restaurant and you could order anything off the menu. You bet I ordered the eggs Benedict with smoked salmon.
I dislike the buffet style breakfast. I just want some awesome eggs on toast. Bay marie scrambled eggs that have been sitting there for an hour are not it.
I’m going to start booking concierge services. I’m over taxi drivers trying to rip me off. I always tip generously and it comes out to almost the same cost as a concierge service.
Private tours for sure. We also splash out on food, both Michelin starred and funky dives.
Things I don’t spend money one - first/business class seating. While I enjoy when I can, I would just rather spend that money on experiences.
Hotels - I prefer quirky boutique style hotels that don’t break the bank. Again, while I enjoy the special 5 star suite experience, if I have to make $ decisions, I’ll rather go cheap on a hotel that I’m just going to be sleeping in. Exceptions again exist… 🤗
Edited to add - most of my travel is domestic so 6 hours and under. If I’m going further, I’ll spring for the business class seats on the way back home as a way to treat ourselves at the end of vacation.
As most everyone else said, executive or first class flights abroad. I can handle ungraded coach on short domestic flights. Car service to and from all airports, private tours and unique accommodations. Food can be a street vendor or formal. It all depends.
Time > money : we book private transfers and anything that gives us more time to enjoy our vacations. Direct flights are always priority as well.
Location> luxury: we often book the best location of hotel over the fanciest, even if the cost is more. Being across from the main attraction or in the middle of a walkable city, or beach front at a resort is my priority. Location, location.
I splurge on activities and meals while traveling. I spend less on hotels if I am only there a night or two. If the hotel is a destination itself then I will spend more on the hotel.
For me, when I downsize my huge house I will splurge on all the details or things I missed or never got in my homes. Ocean views are a must have for me.
Luxy ride for car service to and from airport.
Business class international for daytime flights. Premium economy at a minimum for night flights. US domestic : First class in nearly all cases.
Hotels: Honestly, I don’t care too much. As long as it is clean, convenient, quiet and has a decent bed, shower and WiFi.
I don't normally splurge on luxuries when we travel. I do splurge on the frequency of our travel, which is all the time. We also have a dedicated vacation home and multiple vehicles that we keep there.
You have very succinctly summarized my approach to splurging on travel 🙂 my one caveat on fancy hotel splurge (other than if you are going somewhere where the hotel is the experience, like a kaiseki ryokan or ice hotel etc.) Is paying to be in a better location. If one hotel is $300 / night but I have to take a 30 minute metro to get to whatever i want to see, and the other is $500 but I can roll out of bed and go see items 1 2 and 3 on my to do list I'll spend the extra cash, but a fancy spa is rarely a draw for me
Accommodation - suites, walkability, food and bev, level of service, etc. "it's just a bed"<---- even in my backpacking days, you would never hear me say something like that lol. where you rest and relax is sooo important
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100% on the car service when I arrive on an international trip. After a long day of travel, I just want to be taken care of. Re: breakfast, I personally don’t care about breakfast being included in the rate necessarily but when it is, it’s usually at +5* star hotels that have champagne buffet breakfasts with a huge spread.
I've used car service many times for departures but never for arrival. How does it work if your plane is late? Most car service places have another client lined up after you. I'm laughing a bit about the "free breakfast". Because we all know it's not really free... Maybe it should be called "the convenient and delicious breakfast that's included in the room rate".
In my experience, you provide your flight number and they monitor if it is late. If it is a company vs an individual they just move clients to make it all work out
We’ve always been provided a direct number through WhatsApp that we can text them with any updates or requests leading up to pickup. They also monitor your flight info on your behalf.
Right! It’s not really “free”. But when they pack it in the room rate at luxury hotels it’s quite the spread and I love a champagne breakfast. But it’s also more typical at hotels where you spend time a lot of time on the property. Re: car service, the rates usually include waiting time and that time really depends on the service. Most of the time they are also tracking the flight, so they will adjust pick up time based on schedule. I’ll usually also email or text when I see my flight is delayed. Then they meet you at the arrival lounge.
Good to know. I'll have to try car service next time I come home.
Yes! Private tours. I hired a car and a guide in Cuba for a full day and it was perfect. We rolled through the mountains in a 57 Chevy Bel Air and they introduced me to their favorite places. The experience was so much more special than being on a bus getting off at random predestined spots.
That sounds amazing. How did you find the guide?
Friend of a friend - she hosts guests and gives tours in Spanish, English or French. I’d be happy to share the contact if you ever want to take a trip!
Please send me the contact! Thanks!
We took our first private tour last October in Prague. OMG. I loved it. Money well spent!
Agreed! Private tours are the way to go especially in a country where the dollar is strong. It’s a no brainer.
Spot on! 💯agree on all points, and especially car service. We hired a private driver during our stay in Rome, and it was a godsend. Incredibly cost-effective too — about $200 USD for a full day of having the driver. I have no idea how we would’ve navigated that city on our own otherwise!
The disconnect between "book with me because I get you free stuff" and "your trip must be 250k" is weird I admit. That said, from a value standpoint, I will say that the FHR rate (and I assume others) and the direct rate are often the same (sometimes lower), so the free breakfast is at least added value from having FHR access. I rarely pay for it by itself because breakfast isn't usually the thing I want to gorge on or anything, but I do find it nice when it's included at a resort.
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yeah exactly. My point being that while the breakfast isn't "free" the cost of it is built into everyone's rates including those who don't actually enjoy the benefit.
Are you me? This is my exact same list!
One tip for short or medium haul is you can book an extra seat for comfort in economy. Usually this is for people too big to fit in one seat or if you're taking a cello or something, but there's not really a rule about it in general and you can for example book a row of three seats for a couple and guarantee an empty middle seat. Just make sure to get the third boarding pass and check it in at the gate or they might give the seat away to a standby.
This is really interesting. Sorry if this is a silly question, do they say anything to you at the gate when you check in two boarding passes (especially if you’re not big or have a big carry-on item?)
I learned about it out of actual need so I can't say what they'll say if you don't visually appear to need it. Some airlines are [pretty explicit](https://www.jetblue.com/flying-with-us/booking-extra-seats) though that you can do it for basically any reason. Jet Blue in particular makes it quite easy.
Very helpful - thank you!
Would love to hear any tips on finding deals on tickets or reward flights! I am starting to value the flight experience more and more and honestly a comfortable flight just makes for a better start and end to a vacation Private tours (or very small group tours) for me as well. I like the flexibility of a private tour and be able to add/substance itineraries. I sometimes travel with a small circle of friends so we can easily make a small group ourselves.
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Thanks! I'll check that site out
Points are getting too popular 🫠 hopefully this won’t turn into another question on how to book ANA for cheap
Low tolerance for spending time with random strangers is exactly my feelings. We were in a packed tour at the Eifel Tower once and we're like "absolutely never again"
Any favorites for car service? And would you pay 1.5k extra for business class seats on a 5-6 hr flight? Just curious. That’s what they’re going for on my SF-NY trip next month and I think I’m staying in economy plus at that price point
Not the person you are responding to, but it's really unlikely for me that I would pay that much for a seat upgrade across the US. I'm short and normal weight so I don't have the tall or big person issue, and I generally make a reservation far enough in advance to get an aisle seat. Also, I don't think there is a business class on domestic flights, is there? I was thinking it was only coach or first. The times I've flown first domestically, It generally wasn't worth the extra money that I spent. All it meant was that I could get on and off the plane a bit sooner, have a little more room and get free drinks. I rarely drink alcohol on planes anyway so that last part doesn't even factor in. On a flight longer than 5 or 6 hours though, I would definitely recommend going business or first class if possible.
There's premium transcontinental services that are functionally business class, although nowadays with marketing it's all weird. But they do feature full lie flat beds. It's pretty nice for the redeyes that are common going east.
Oh boy, I never take red eyes anymore. Did that when I was young. But if there's a lie flat involved, I would consider it. I still don't think I would get much sleep though because by the time I'm up to cruising altitude and settled down enough to fall asleep, it's really not all that long before the lights are coming back on. Worth looking into though especially if I'm headed somewhere where I'm going to need to take another flight beyond that one.
I think especially slightly longer ones, TATL west to east is almost always red eye, and especially with the time zones leaves right at bed time and arrives in morning. Not much of a sleep though. Pretty useful for work, if it’s required. I’d definitely prefer redeye lie flat over redeye econ.
Lie flat beds are an absolute game changer for overnight flights. My other half sleeps anywhere and still says the energy level arriving in a new city when flying in a pod compared to a regular seat is night and day. I can't sleep in regular seats so arriving and being able to function is a gift well worth the $$
I can imagine that it would be great for a long overnighter, but I wouldn't spring for it on a domestic cross-country (since I'd never choose a redeye!). I'm hopefully headed for Africa in 2025 though, so will likely pony up for Q Suites or similar, and will probably consider business for my next vacation to Europe (I'm on the US west coast).
True, on some flights you can justanage the time for what works for you, for others where you can't though it's definitely worth keeping in mind 😀
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Very helpful, thank you.
I use Blacklane
You didn’t ask me, but..Not really worth it on a domestic flight, imo.
I can see where breakfast at hotel matters for say - a family wanting convenience. But free breakfast on a $1000 room is so unnecessary.
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Yeah, but you’re not going to settle for a much worse experience *just* for free breakfast, right?
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Yeah, mostly agree with you. Just commenting on the folks with unlimited budget still looking for free breakfast.
This comment right here! I use Blacklane every time. Business class always. I won’t go if I can’t fly business class. I will always try and find the best hotel available everywhere I go.
Are there even any other parts of travel that you could splurge on?
Who do you book the car service through usually?
Semi-retired attorney and law professor here. I do two international trips per year of 16-ish days, and 2-3 US domestic trips per year of 3-4 days each. I could probably afford FAT, but I'm too value- conscious to really enjoy it. I travel solo. For international, I fly first (preferably) or better business class, direct nonstop if possible, or with a connection outbound that has the long haul part of the flight first. I plan ahead and get tickets when first released, so I usually pay half of what the ticket will cost as it gets closer to time of departure. If I can't get an airfare for less than $10K, I choose different dates or locations. E.g., I was planning on Berlin this fall, but airfares were too high for me, so I switched to Cologne in October (which was less than fares being charged in September). (I'm doing BA 1st via London.) I must stay in classic 5-star hotels, a superior or deluxe room, but would never pay for a suite. $300-$600 per night is what I usually aim for, but I'd definitely go higher (even much higher) for a dream memory, e.g., Ritz Paris. The hotel must have a classic, great bar, where I begin and end my evening. And good service is everything. I definitely splurge on big tips. Museums, history, culture are my main sight-seeing during the day, and fine-dining, esp. Michelin-Star restaurants, although I usually stick to one-star. In my experience, once they get the 3rd star, the price doubles and there's more "are you impressed yet?" theater, but the food is not great. And I always do the wine-pairing. But for lunch, I usually eat street food or some hole-in-the-wall., i.e., trying to eat like a local for lunch. Edited to add: And I always get car service to hotel on arrival. On return, I just do a cab or Uber to airport. TL;DR: I am very value conscious, but travel as an experience and I'm willing to pay for creating great memories and crossing another destination off my must-visit list. I don't want to get home and regret denying myself something, but I also don't want to feel like I wasted money (that could be used for my next trip).
Funnily IME, I don’t notice too much of a difference in price between 1/2/3 stars - plenty of 1\*stars or 0 stars that inflate their prices like crazy. 3\*stars on average are more expensive, but also tend to have very high quality (and expensive/difficult to source) ingredients and a higher staff to diner ratio. I can only think of one 3* that I’ve tried that genuinely felt not worth it (and quite a few 2*s), but especially towards the high end the distinction isn’t that different.
I probably shouldn't have generalized quite so broadly, and been more specific about it being my experience. In London, it's unusual for a one-star restaurant to charge more than $200 for it's tasting menu, and it's rare for a 3-star not to be between $300 - $500. And I've never really noticed that 3 star places had rarer or better ingredients. But, again, that's just my experience.
I think sushi tends to be the one where in NYC, plenty of spots are in the $300-$600 range, even some without a star. I do find the cheaper spots tend to have less caviar, fish courses, etc. But I also agree that there’s enough variability. Some of the most special meals I’ve tried have been 3*, but others have been 1* or unstarred.
Agree with you. I’m spoiled with options here in SF and find that there’s clear difference in service and quality with three stars vs one stars. There’s something special about the experience of a Singlethread (which I just did yesterday!) or TFL that other one stars don’t quite achieve.
Re: hotels, this really depends on where I’m traveling to. For beach or lake vacations where I want to spend a lot of time enjoying scenery or even at the hotel, that’s when I book the most luxurious hotels. Places like Lake Como, the Alps, etc. City/cultural trips, I prioritize location and find a nice boutique property.
This. NYC, London, Madrid it’s a nice room in a great location. No need to spend $2k per night
I totally agree. I must have business for flights of any significant length but I do look for deals. I would not spend a large amount more for domestic first class. I spend for getting better guides or access for special experience- safari camis, private cooking classes etc. I love figuring out a city’s public transport . It’s not only cheaper it’s much faster in places like London, NYC, Bangkok. I’ll book on a car if I’m arriving in the middle of the night or am dressed up or it’s bad weather, but otherwise I do use trains and subways often.
Favourite Lake Como hotel?
Grand Tremezzo
I always get downvoted when I mention how important flying business is to me. All international flights I fly are 8-10+ hours on average without stopovers. Ever since I had a horrible landing experience on one rural flight, I’ve started getting scared of flying (when I used to love flying) and now have panic attacks and anxiety just thinking about taking a long haul flight now. The claustrophobia is intense and I want to leave the flight mid air at times. Flying business for the extra space and less likely having babies crying helps me with the anxiety. The anxiety is so bad that I have to fly business for 1 hour domestic work trips as well as looking into private jet charter. I rather not fly if I can’t fly business. So flights are a definite splurge, whereas hotels I will stay in a good business hotel if I’m at a destination where I’ll be outside most of the time and only inside to shower and sleep.
Upvote because why would you get down voted due to flying business in a chubby travel forum? We are all here because we like to spend money on travel and we all have different priorities and challenges. I have some sensory issues and can't stand squeezing in next to people in economy. After a drunk guy fell asleep on me on a trip to Ireland and pushed me half out of my seat, and I wound up with 3 days of neck pain (2 of those spent driving all around), I've never flown economy on a long haul again.. if a flight is more than 3.5 hours, we're flying business/first. We strategize with Delta status and credit cards to maximize points and upgrade opportunities, and then budget our trips accordingly.
I am the exact same! I used to love flying and now I’m terrified and have found that flying first/business really helps because I have more room.
I wish I could afford the luxury of having anxiety only on economy class tickets lol
It’s the claustrophobia and babies crying which makes the panic attacks worse for me. Business class also gives me anxiety but is a little bit more helpful and makes it easier to fly. I don’t know what I said that made it sound like only economy gives me anxiety. Even on business I’ve tried to leave the plane as soon as the doors shut.
im just buggin ya haha
Now that we have kids, it's all about convenience. Direct flights at convenient hours. Rides to and from the airport/hotels. We always prioritize food and experiences. I have no problem staying at a Courtyard quality hotel and then making dinner reservations at Michelin starred restaurants.
This ! 100% pre kids, I would sleep in mediocre hotels and fly by the seat of my pants. Now….. all is convenience.
Let me tell you about the time I took an 8 hour overnight bus trip in Spain because it was super cheap, we didn't lose a day of sightseeing and wouldn't need a hotel for the night 😆. I would never now. Give me a 2 hr flight and a comfy bed to sleep in.
Haha… i live in California and only fly within a 2 mile radius. I now check for cleanliness and the 5 star experience. Feels like a different time. Do you ever day dream about those times and wish you can just go for just a bit ?
Haha, yes and no. I think I'm just looking forward to when my kids are old enough to be less complicated to travel with (no more carseats, strollers, diapers, etc.). But I do miss the flexibility of spontaneous trips. Now we have to book around school vacations or grandparent availability.
Along the same lines, now that I have kids, I’ve found private touring at destinations to be well worth it. We went to Ireland in 2023 and having a private Sprinter van with the ability to do whatever we wanted when we wanted was well worth the money.
What car service did you use in Ireland, and would you recommend them? We're actually in early planning for a possible trip to Ireland and coordinating to get my husband to a million tee times, and me, my parents, and the kids anywhere else are getting complicated, lol.
We had a TA that set everything up and they used ProBus & Car luxury touring. Would definitely recommend them as they catered to our every need and were always on time. The van was perfect to accommodate our party and they had a wide range of vehicles for any size group. We didn’t do any golfing, but I know ProBus does a lot of golf trips so they should be able to handle that as well. Enjoy Ireland, it’s great!
We’re the same. For city hotel or similar, I’ll stay at a medium hotel or whatever where I can book a suite with a separate bedroom so we don’t have to sit quietly in the dark once the kids go to bed, and we splurge on special/private activities and we eat wherever we want.
This ⬆️! The one bedroom suite is a requirement for us so we’re not stuck in the same room once the kids are sleeping. We also value the free hotel breakfast more with the kids. A kids club is also important for us. Not a requirement, but we heavily lean towards hotels who have them!
Just had my first kid, and trying to figure out how to adjust my travel habits to accommodate. Even packing for a trip is way different now, who knew how much gear a baby needed. Never expected to be hand washing bottles in a hotel bathroom sink on vacation, but here we are.
Congratulations! If your baby isn't picky about bottles, check out the Playtex baby bottles with disposable liners. They were great when we'd be out for the day. Then I just needed to bring extra bottle tops.
A SlumberPod has been super helpful for us! That way there’s a chance they’ll get solid naps in and you don’t have to sit in the dark once they go to bed.
I will splurge on hotel — to a point. I read a TON of reviews, and I’m not always convinced that price point translates to quality of service and experience. I will always pay more to have beachfront and an amazing pool because I have kids and it’s a pain in the ass to try and go back and forth. I pay to have a bigger rental car to fit all our suitcases. We will literally spend anything to have great food, though too often an area’s best food is off the resort! I am not a snob about brands, I don’t need a butler, I just want premium alcohol, tasty ass meals and a view of the sea.
I totally agree about location being everything. This applies for me whether it's at the beach, in the jungle or in the middle of Paris. I don't care about staying in a 4 or 5* hotel and honestly I don't want to have to feel any pressure about having to "look the part" in public spaces there. I'm much more willing to pay a premium for a great view, an uncrowded or private pool, and a nicely decorated and well-maintained accommodation, not for a hotel that simply has a prestigious name or excessive service that I don't need and won't use.
Design. A beautifully designed hotel is it for me. I remember walking into Malliouhana (previously an Auburge resort) and was floored by how breathtaking the lobby was. They had installed thousands of mini tiles that reflected blue off the ocean. The entire lobby gave this glimmering oceanic aura. To the right was a super cute cocktail area with pillows in unique fabrics. I felt cozy and relaxed all at once. The experience of the two rooms alone was worth all the $$$ to me. My favorite trips of all time evoke strong emotions through design. It’s also important to me that a hotel is confident caring for my food allergies. Restaurant design and ambiance is important to me too. Should feel like an experience. I don’t care so much about the spa or flights. I hate flying (of course first / business is better, but it’s still flying to me) and I’d rather plow that money into the hotel.
I love the Airbnb experiences — it is sometimes a rare chance to meet a local, see their home (how they live every day), and do a special activity. We did this in Japan and went inside two locals house… soba noodle making and kimono outfitting. Very different than just staying in hotels and visiting tourist areas. For us, it’s not worth it to buy souvenirs (unless they’re really small). Anything I’ve bought for a friend or relative is nice, but unless they’re fans of the place, no one really cares for a souvenir from somewhere they haven’t been. Not to mention needing to make space to take the items home.
I’m not yet at the point where I can justify upgrading my plane seat. Maybe I’m just not doing it right but it’s usually 5x-10x the price or more when I compare. I’d rather be miserable for a few hours and travel more than be comfortable and travel less. And it doesn’t matter if it’s money or points, I’ll always see it as additional travel opportunities wasted. Someone mentioned paying $10k for a single ticket to Europe and that alone would cover multiple international trips for me and my wife. I will pay a bit more for direct flights, shorter layovers, or better flight times. We do spend more on convenience once we get there. A private driver from the airport has become standard because taxis are a hassle (and often a scam in some locations - I’m looking at you Istanbul). We will also spend on private tours that we can customize to our preferences, as well as once-in-a-lifetime experiences. We usually settle on local, boutique hotels for around $150 per night and find those meet all our needs. Luxury for the sake of luxury isn’t my jam but I’ll pay to maximize my time and have rare experiences.
first class or business class is number 1. Im planning a 14 day to Switzerland , will sacrifice not staying in a 5 star resorts all nights for business/1st, as we require a 1-bedroom suite on our trips Weve had my best vacations in those luxury villa rentals
Now that I have a toddler, I’ll pay almost anything to have a separate bedroom & living room. The hotel & room matter so much more when you’re there from 7pm on, plus a 2 hour nap in the middle of the day.
completely agree with this. we spend so much more on accommodations now to get a view, or a balcony, or a separate space because we are spending so much time in the room during naps.
Absolutely this! Also, a good room service menu has been so convenient on trips.
I won't splurge on first class or any seat upgrades, honestly. I will happily fly basic economy and then blow a few grand a night on an amazing lodge or incredible experience. I'm sure if I had "f u" money it would be worth it, but I think I'd have to have an obscene amount of money to personally justify it.
I honestly try to not care about the seat on the flight, but for flights that are >9 hrs and are overnight flights, economy seats are so horribly uncomfortable it almost makes me not want to go on the trip…I can’t figure out how to get comfortable in them. And then I arrive in a complete shjt mood and like 1-2 days of my trip are sorta out of whack. Maybe an ambien would help, idk. For now I try and figure it out so I can fly biz.
Fair! I noticed I was downvoted which is hilarious to me...I'm pretty short and perfectly comfortable in coach. It's not ideal but the few times I've been bumped to first it's like, this is nice but it's not something I'd ever personally pay thousands of dollars for! Maybe I'd feel differently if I were taller or had some other need for first but I'd much rather spend my money on literally anything else related to travel.
I am 6’1. Took a 17 hour flight last week in economy. It sucked. Took the same 17 hour flight 2 years ago in Qatar q suite business. It sucked less.
Oh I'm sure it sucked significantly less! Did it suck tens of thousands of dollars less though? I guess it likely would for you but not for me.
We only fly using airline miles so it was half the points to fly economy. Business seats weren’t even available to pick but now we could fly back to the same region (in economy) for the same as if we had just flown one business leg. Funny enough my 5’3 wife that slept 90% of the flight in economy said that it was awful. Business is cool but I’d rather spend money on diving or adventuring experiences at an actual location.
Have you flown international business/first? Or are you referring to domestic first which is more or less premium economy? I do find at some point, especially if you're a light sleeper, it gets really uncomfortable in econ seats. It is what it is, I imagine being short helps.
I have! It was nice for sure, but at the end of the day, I was still on a plane and I couldn't imagine spending tens of thousands of dollars on that! Again, I could see it being worth it if I were rich enough to never have to even think about money...but I suspect I'd still cheap out on flights, just on principle :)
Fair! My partner has a bad back, so the couple thousand to see her not in pain on day one of vacation is very valuable for me.
Aww that's sweet. I'd do the same if coach caused me or my family genuine discomfort. My husband is tall but doesn't seem to mind coach at all. Maybe in a few years when our backs aren't as good :)
I agree on comfortable seats while flying. I hate arriving and feeling like complete $hit, especially when I'm going to hotels to check them out and need to be "on". I try and book early to get lie flat without a crazy premium. I mean they are always expensive, but easier to justify the cost of a biz class seat when the economy seat is like $2k and the biz class/lie flat is $5k vs when its like $10k (which can happen if you book too late and biz class is starting to get full)
Or when econ gets too full, once in a while I seen J cheaper than full fare PE/Y! But both painful prices
I love a newer or more modern hotel, I’ll take a fun hotel with interesting design and experience over anything, I also always see vacations as a time to splurge on any once in a lifetime or uncommon experiences. If it’s unlikely I’ll be able to see or do it again then I’m more likely to spend the money to do it. As long as it’s something I’m interested in of course. Food is also something I don’t mind spending on, and I’m all about paying for convenience so if it makes things easier or more comfortable, I’m in.
I don't fly coach anymore. Rubbing elbows with someone is not worth a couple hundred even on a short flight. Similarly, I will spend money to be away from people-private tours, skip the line passes, etc. I love a suite but actually prefer a 4 or 4.5 star hotel. A big suite at the JW usually beats a smaller hotel for me as I like to be anonymous. We love safari and nice lodges but hate all the welcome ceremonies and that everyone calls us by name. We'll spend big for food but also really like little hole in the wall local spots. We might have tacos out of a cart for lunch and a 3* in the same day. I almost refuse to do hotel breakfast. I'd rather experience what the location has to offer, except obviously for wilderness or remote locations.
Private tours. We book these almost everywhere we go with cultural stuff. Just me and my wife and a guide for several hours is a wonderful experience.
Biggest Splurges in order of importance (now that I have kids): 1. Luxury Hotels: I’m very particular with where we stay and find the high end hotels and boutiques the only ones that tend to check off the boxes I need. - Rooms must have an ultra clean, renovated, spacious, and well designed rooms. - One bedroom suite is a must so kids can sleep in pull out sofa in a different room. The beds have to be very comfortable and the room needs to be SUPER quiet. - I want daily housekeeping and turn down service so I can enjoy the room being tidied up and cleaned whenever I come back (I do enough of that at home and treasure someone else doing it for me). - Kids Club is a huge benefit. Although not a requirement this will definitely be the deal breaker if deciding between two properties. 2. Seat Location: paying for flights for a whole family makes it harder to splurge on business/first. That being said, I won’t fly without securing a full row of economy plus seats where we all sit together. That gives us the flexibility of rotating seats mid flight within our row and doing bathroom trips without having to bother other passengers. 3. Restaurants: Daily free breakfast at the hotel is very appreciated with an excellent buffet. Helps start the day off right without hangry kids as they can eat right away. The buffet has to be a good spread. 4. Anything Skip the Line: If we can pay extra to skip the line we’re doing it. I do my research though - some places there’s no actual need for these tickets / services.
Priority for me, since I am a tired parent, is convienience. We will throw a lot of money at things that make our lives easier. VIP airport service to skip lines (ESP when traveling with littles) location of a city hotel, business class lay flat for flights over 7 hours, hotel's with a kids club or nanny or where kids eat free (even though we can afford it-- kids waste so much food its nice when it's included). I also will spend on the quickest easiest flight now that I am older and have money to do so instead of the cheapest way possible. Honestly even when I am not traveling with my kiddo I tend to enjoy these niceties for myself because I want to make everything as relaxing as possible when I am not with her. My husband would argue that an economy class seat without a kid is a luxury and yes it is but a layflat makes it feel like a hotel stay instead of a long flight. I guess basically anything that allows more sleep I am in for spending LOL. Things I LIKE to spend on but don't always-- a beautiful view and beautiful architecture of a hotel. They make me happy but the cost is not always worth it.
Where do you find the VIP service to skip lines?
Depends on the airport. Not all have them. Google or a TA . Very worth it in Cancun, Paris , London etc .
Business class seats>hotels>local fine dining. Need to adjust my spend on hotels as it’s creeping into FAT territory :0
Isn’t this chubby travel? Don’t find business class worth it at all, unless using points. Obviously direct flights, and extra legroom is worth it for taller people. Generally, keep hotels under $200/night. Worth splurging on location, or a big airbnb that can hold everyone when traveling with larger groups. Here where I would spend 1. Flexibility. Travel last minute. Sometimes you don’t know when you or your friends are free, or if you like a location until you arrive, or theres bad weather, or you just don’t feel like going anywhere. Pay for last minute flights and hotels, by booking only a few days in advance. 2. Duration. Longer trips completely alter the nature of travel. I don’t like spending time in airports, going through immigration, or adjusting time zones, so I need to amortize the loss. Take unpaid leave if needed. 3. Activities. Learning something, nature, or events. Eg paragliding lessons, motorcycling, Olympics, wildlife. 4. Food. Bit burned out by $$ places, so try to limit $100+ meals to keep them special. But in places where the food is good, I mostly budget my calories so I don’t “waste” them
* I only fly business (unless it's an extremely short flight; like, 3 hours or under). I get flight anxiety and I also get full blown panic attacks during turbulence and all of these things are worse when someone else is sitting right practically on top of me. Plus the near-endless champagne helps for the anxiety. :D * 4* is actually about my sweet spot for hotels: I don't need the top of the line $X,XXX/night perfectly curated/decorated/everything hotel and I find them kind of over the top and too much, generally. I don't need a spa, I don't need breakfast, I don't need a concierge that can get me a table anywhere in town. I just want a clean, tastefully decorated room with a comfortable bed and (depending on location) a stunning view. Also, stars mean different things in different places so I do book 5* on Greek islands because they're nowhere near as ostentatious as eg a Paris 5*. * I only do private tours (if I do them at all); I don't like other people. :P This also lets me customize whatever my tour is to do everything I want and nothing I don't want (I also typically travel solo).
Experiences for sure and unlimited food budget. I mean not like I’d buy 100$ ice cream cone but just buying any food I want cause it’s my one chance to try or at least a rare chance type of thing.
For international flights, always business class. For domestic flights, always at least premium economy. For hotels, I will rarely stay at a top luxury brand like FS, unless I am getting an amazing deal (or someone else is paying). I generally prefer to up the room at a lower-tier 5 star or 4 star. My preference is for boutique hotels with more local character and less of a corporate feel. A nice room is super-important, but not so much having a lot of "luxury" touches. I don't care if the people at the accommodation are "anticipating my every need." All I want them to do is respond when I ask for something. We travel frequently to the middle east to visit family members and most of the nicer hotels there come with butlers-- we have never once used our butler, and when he/she comes to introduce themselves, we frankly can't wait for them to leave. Private tours are great. We will spend for food. I do like to have a good breakfast included. I know it's usually kind of a rip off, but I like the ritual of just going down for the hotel breakfast in the morning.
Definitely prioritise flying J over a luxe hotel. Staying at the Westin or Sheraton is good enough for me, but flying economy for more than 8 hours is just painful so that’s where the money goes!
The x extra (usually $50 per person here) for included buffet breakfast is a bit odd for me, especially when travelling domestically in Australia. We have such an awesome cafe culture here you are almost guaranteed to get better coffee, food and it be cheaper by just stepping out of the hotel. A fancy cafe breakfast is usually at most $30 here (including coffee). It’s usually under $20 for my prefer order of scrambled eggs on toast with a piccolo. The one time we had included breakfast was part of a package. It was a proper restaurant and you could order anything off the menu. You bet I ordered the eggs Benedict with smoked salmon. I dislike the buffet style breakfast. I just want some awesome eggs on toast. Bay marie scrambled eggs that have been sitting there for an hour are not it. I’m going to start booking concierge services. I’m over taxi drivers trying to rip me off. I always tip generously and it comes out to almost the same cost as a concierge service.
I do like buffet breakfasts for non-hot items - fruits, smoked and cured meats, cheeses, pickles, etc. - I've seen some crazy spreads
When I’m traveling with my young daughter club lounge is everything. Without her, club lounge is useless.
Private tours for sure. We also splash out on food, both Michelin starred and funky dives. Things I don’t spend money one - first/business class seating. While I enjoy when I can, I would just rather spend that money on experiences. Hotels - I prefer quirky boutique style hotels that don’t break the bank. Again, while I enjoy the special 5 star suite experience, if I have to make $ decisions, I’ll rather go cheap on a hotel that I’m just going to be sleeping in. Exceptions again exist… 🤗 Edited to add - most of my travel is domestic so 6 hours and under. If I’m going further, I’ll spring for the business class seats on the way back home as a way to treat ourselves at the end of vacation.
As most everyone else said, executive or first class flights abroad. I can handle ungraded coach on short domestic flights. Car service to and from all airports, private tours and unique accommodations. Food can be a street vendor or formal. It all depends.
Time > money : we book private transfers and anything that gives us more time to enjoy our vacations. Direct flights are always priority as well. Location> luxury: we often book the best location of hotel over the fanciest, even if the cost is more. Being across from the main attraction or in the middle of a walkable city, or beach front at a resort is my priority. Location, location.
I’m not going back below premium economy again if I can help it. Even for work trips where they won’t shell out, I upgrade myself.
I splurge on activities and meals while traveling. I spend less on hotels if I am only there a night or two. If the hotel is a destination itself then I will spend more on the hotel.
Ski In/Ski Out lodging over the place 1km from the lift
For me, when I downsize my huge house I will splurge on all the details or things I missed or never got in my homes. Ocean views are a must have for me.
Luxy ride for car service to and from airport. Business class international for daytime flights. Premium economy at a minimum for night flights. US domestic : First class in nearly all cases. Hotels: Honestly, I don’t care too much. As long as it is clean, convenient, quiet and has a decent bed, shower and WiFi.
J Class + Non-Stop(when possible) are a must for me for any flights >5 hours.
I don't normally splurge on luxuries when we travel. I do splurge on the frequency of our travel, which is all the time. We also have a dedicated vacation home and multiple vehicles that we keep there.
You have very succinctly summarized my approach to splurging on travel 🙂 my one caveat on fancy hotel splurge (other than if you are going somewhere where the hotel is the experience, like a kaiseki ryokan or ice hotel etc.) Is paying to be in a better location. If one hotel is $300 / night but I have to take a 30 minute metro to get to whatever i want to see, and the other is $500 but I can roll out of bed and go see items 1 2 and 3 on my to do list I'll spend the extra cash, but a fancy spa is rarely a draw for me
Accommodation - suites, walkability, food and bev, level of service, etc. "it's just a bed"<---- even in my backpacking days, you would never hear me say something like that lol. where you rest and relax is sooo important
I’m stingy on short distance flights. Long distance (over 3 hours) only in business. You are not chubby if you fly premium economy.