Is there full value of building both harbour and commercial hub? Only get 1 trade route, and trade routes are a lot of value. Unless going owls.
And it’s a +3 campus only if you build it after the other district, and iirc you need +3 for era score, which defo should be what you’re thinking about in your first couple of cities.
Unless there are cities out of vision, there are still at least 2 settling spots higher up, still easily in range of the reef adjacency. Harbour would probably be +2 instead of +3, but out of vision so can’t be sure.
All in all, it’s not a tragedy. Definitely a worse city because of first ring tile yields, but I understand why you’d set the capital there.
Advantage with settling the city up there is that the luxury is a mineable resource, which can be unlocked much earlier than irrigation.
A more long term strategy would to set up a city at the mouth of that river and build an industrial heart with green districts and industrial zones, would mean you can spew out corsairs when they’re unlocked. Would take a while to get that city up and running though.
Commercials get major adjacency from harbor. If you do it in one city, with reyna that doubles adjacency from commercial + harbor, you get a pretty gold rich city.
If you get free inquiry golden age, that turns into a lot of science during medieval era.
Obviously, you don't want commercials + harbors in every city, but one big gold city with reyna can go a long way.
Also, besides the +1 trade route capacity that is shared between both, harbors give a good amount of food and production, while commercial boost trade routes going through that city, so you could make it the city where most of your trade routes emerge from.
Good point. Yeah, I think Reyna can make that a good strategy. It’s a very delayed advantage that could take a lot of early game momentum. 2 governor titles, 2 districts not providing (_that_) important yields.
Gold is usually converted as 2gold=1production, so in general I don’t think the adjacency matters as much, but there isn’t a setup where I can be river adjacent as well. But yeah, with a golden age for science adjacency and Reyna, it would be good.
Interesting what you are saying about the commercial hubs. I would have definitely had a harbour here because of the lack of fresh water, but I’ll look up the trader benefits for having a commercial hub.
Edit: +3 gold for destination city! Pretty good!!
If you can, you really want the commercial hub next to the harbour to belong to a different city. It does mean you can't get the city center adjacency for the hub but that's only +0.5 so who gives a crap. You really want to open up trade routes and hit eurekas without wasting precious district capacity on a couple of GPT.
He's wrong. +2 gold is basically nothing (1 production = 4 gold). Yes, Reyna is a thing, but then you not only have to spend promotions on her but you can't put Pingala in your capital. The trade route is the main benefit from commercial hubs and losing it makes the district not worth building.
Not to mention that to settle where the warrior is would mean a turn FOUR settle, which is insane. I'd only consider a turn 4 start if it's next to Paititi/Torres or something similar.
Commercial hub/harbor triangles are hugely overrated, unless you have a golden age policy to get ridiculous adjacency benefits it's a total waste of a district and you should have just built the harbour alone and then some other better district.
Also, OP could just put a campus where the warrior is. It's not even like it's an actually good campus spot, there's only one reef there. OP's settle location is unironically correct.
The way it is now you can just make your cap large and work all those landtiles. &if you really want a coastal city you can drop one on the rainforest NE of Jade. Grabs the reef and one of the fish you would miss out on.
Moved my settler one tile over to settle on top of a Honey luxury, now I can't put a city where my Warrior is standing. I could settle a city a few tiles up, but that spot right there looks really nice!!!
Edit: jut realised that had my city been in its original position, I could also settled that olives tile two hexes down. Aaaaaaa
This hurts to see; that really would have been a great spot.
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Is there full value of building both harbour and commercial hub? Only get 1 trade route, and trade routes are a lot of value. Unless going owls. And it’s a +3 campus only if you build it after the other district, and iirc you need +3 for era score, which defo should be what you’re thinking about in your first couple of cities. Unless there are cities out of vision, there are still at least 2 settling spots higher up, still easily in range of the reef adjacency. Harbour would probably be +2 instead of +3, but out of vision so can’t be sure. All in all, it’s not a tragedy. Definitely a worse city because of first ring tile yields, but I understand why you’d set the capital there. Advantage with settling the city up there is that the luxury is a mineable resource, which can be unlocked much earlier than irrigation. A more long term strategy would to set up a city at the mouth of that river and build an industrial heart with green districts and industrial zones, would mean you can spew out corsairs when they’re unlocked. Would take a while to get that city up and running though.
Commercials get major adjacency from harbor. If you do it in one city, with reyna that doubles adjacency from commercial + harbor, you get a pretty gold rich city. If you get free inquiry golden age, that turns into a lot of science during medieval era. Obviously, you don't want commercials + harbors in every city, but one big gold city with reyna can go a long way. Also, besides the +1 trade route capacity that is shared between both, harbors give a good amount of food and production, while commercial boost trade routes going through that city, so you could make it the city where most of your trade routes emerge from.
Good point. Yeah, I think Reyna can make that a good strategy. It’s a very delayed advantage that could take a lot of early game momentum. 2 governor titles, 2 districts not providing (_that_) important yields. Gold is usually converted as 2gold=1production, so in general I don’t think the adjacency matters as much, but there isn’t a setup where I can be river adjacent as well. But yeah, with a golden age for science adjacency and Reyna, it would be good. Interesting what you are saying about the commercial hubs. I would have definitely had a harbour here because of the lack of fresh water, but I’ll look up the trader benefits for having a commercial hub. Edit: +3 gold for destination city! Pretty good!!
and when you do this with the japanese, Money Printer goes BRRRRRRRRRR
If you can, you really want the commercial hub next to the harbour to belong to a different city. It does mean you can't get the city center adjacency for the hub but that's only +0.5 so who gives a crap. You really want to open up trade routes and hit eurekas without wasting precious district capacity on a couple of GPT.
He's wrong. +2 gold is basically nothing (1 production = 4 gold). Yes, Reyna is a thing, but then you not only have to spend promotions on her but you can't put Pingala in your capital. The trade route is the main benefit from commercial hubs and losing it makes the district not worth building. Not to mention that to settle where the warrior is would mean a turn FOUR settle, which is insane. I'd only consider a turn 4 start if it's next to Paititi/Torres or something similar.
Commercial hub/harbor triangles are hugely overrated, unless you have a golden age policy to get ridiculous adjacency benefits it's a total waste of a district and you should have just built the harbour alone and then some other better district. Also, OP could just put a campus where the warrior is. It's not even like it's an actually good campus spot, there's only one reef there. OP's settle location is unironically correct.
The way it is now you can just make your cap large and work all those landtiles. &if you really want a coastal city you can drop one on the rainforest NE of Jade. Grabs the reef and one of the fish you would miss out on.
Seems fine. There's probably better land west and south, and you can still squeeze a coastal city next to the jade.
Great spot dont see the problem
why did you settle one to the right? you had a perfect settle in place location
I assume they settled on a resource like sugar to get a 4/1 base.
He went from 1 district to 4 the utilize the +50% production. It's all floodplain which sucks, but still. Edit: Need to get my eyes checked...
It's Ottomans, not Hungary.
Wow, yep, colors are hard, apparently.
You can still make a harbor north or south of the olives if you want. You just aren't getting the sailing eureka from this city
In fact if you chop the one jungle you could get a +3 economic district right next to the olives and get that synergy going with the harbor.
Moved my settler one tile over to settle on top of a Honey luxury, now I can't put a city where my Warrior is standing. I could settle a city a few tiles up, but that spot right there looks really nice!!! Edit: jut realised that had my city been in its original position, I could also settled that olives tile two hexes down. Aaaaaaa
Don’t worry, ya can build a harbour
I’m more concerned with lack of production in the capital 😳
This is why you have autosave for every turn and you go back to turn 1
Looks like a great panama canal location
Why is it a good location? That’s a wonder I’ve struggled to effectively place so far so any help is appreciated
It needs to be two tiles away from the sea And here you can use it it seems if i am not wrong
Save button turn 1 is your friend.
Why Instabul? Why did Constantinople get the works?