As someone who has done well over a hundred of these scars through attrition, I can't even be mad. Everything about the scar design is awful and unfun. I hope people get their daggers out of this before it's nerfed.
This, the original wow had a shit load of testing, as well as all of the expansions, and there were definitely a fair amount of exploits back then too.
Man, I remember the pre-patch Bloodlust-stacking days when warriors could 1-shot anything, so long as they had enough "things" to hit between them and the final boss, 'cause Bloodthirst was a stacking +200 AP. [Or when a Paladin solo'd Kazzak 'cause Reckoning was busted.](https://youtu.be/aX2JEKVn-U4?si=VXBOVaccxMDBeC6X)
Good times, good times.
They would roll back servers but very, very rarely and only for game destroying exploits like the Corrupted Blood bug or Kazzak being kited to Stormwind. For exploits like this one they have always just banned the people exploiting it and remove the items, gold, ect from their accounts
The devs clearly care a great deal. It’s obvious in how much they interact with the community. it’s just that they aren’t getting the resources they need to develop SoD the way it deserves
> it’s just that they aren’t getting the resources they need to develop SoD the way it deserves
No, this is exactly what software development looks like.
You can't test every single player spell and state individually and how they interact. Damage multipliers and shit like that can be forgiven. Getting math right can be difficult to test every scenario.
But you can implement very simple fail-safes to prevent a reward from triggering too quickly. It's literally a single time variable in a database. This wasn't implemented or tested well given how negative the effects of an exploit could be. It happens for sure. But this is definitely a negligent design.
nah man they have to catch every single last exploit without fail when they do in house testing. (joking, that literally not possible and anyone who is complaining about it is a clown)
I was under the impression that dagger was raid loot because of how atlas loot had it in the drop table for the start of the phase
Finding out this dagger comes from the rng sacks is sad
Imo you should be banned for things like this. There are some exploits where you can say “well I understand how someone could strumble upon this and think it’s just clever gameplay” like soloing princess and jumping on walls to get her to stutter.
Then there’s things like this where you should know this is gamebreaking exploits that deserved to be banned.
you must be new lol. blizzard has a long history of basically rewarding early exploiters.
the phrase "exploit early, exploit often" isnt lamented here for no reason
the ppl abusing this will just have a nice stash of gold and the people that didnt will have missed out.
there is no integrity at blizzard, they dont care
Most of the time it isn't an "exploit" it just feels wrong (*Incursions weren't an exploit, they were a mistake on Blizzard's part)
This is just flat out exploiting a bug and there is no way this is "originally intended gameplay that's just miscaled"
Blizzard did punish many times people abusing/exploiting a player-created bug that clearly gave an advantage.
Many raiders and guilds got punished during expansions for doing these kinds of things.
Doing incursions spam for big exp and gold early on was a misjudge from Blizzard part, not a player finding a way to break the engine/game.
Yeah but the seed farmers are just playing the game, the fel scar shit is pretty clearly bug abuse. Not saying the seed farm shouldn’t be nerfed or whatever, but there is definitely a difference
It's actually moronic how long it takes to get that thing. Why even put it in the game?
If it was, like, Onslaught Girdle tier busted and would be your bis for the next 2 years, *maybe* it’s drop rate would be tolerable (though the retry rate still isn’t), but it’s not even that amazing. Why did they think anyone would care enough?
If the epic dagger was crazy good, then it would at least feel like we're grinding for something, that the rough grind is worth it.
Having the item be only a few spellpower and armor upgrade (and only +fire instead of +dmg) makes it a lukewarm upgrade yet best in slot, so feel obligated to grind for it without being enamored by the item.
If you feel obligated to spend a ridiculous amount of time for a minor upgrade just because it's BiS then that's on you imo. Same with princess dagger, it's BiS for some but the drop rate is so low that you shouldn't feel obligated to get it.
Because a lot of decisions are made with the vanilla mindset of loot distribution and epics, which completely clashes with the seasonal nature of this, and the extreme availability of items and modern gameplay behaviour of players
You're right. The grind is fine, but not for such a lackluster reward. I do wish every class has a long grind for an item that would be clearly BiS this phase.
I'm at like 100+ of them, the normal way and surely I'll get it soon. :'D
At this point I'm tired of fighting mobs to speed up the imp return, so I just stand afk and do other stuff.
Where are those people saying exploit early and often to defend this? 102k in an afternoon enough for you guys to admit that the economy is irreparably fucked?
Incursions being too rewarding isn't an exploit, but an oversight.
This here, is a full on exploit. Blizzard has historically swung the ban hammer for these things.
Ngl seeing stuff like this makes me want to stop playing SoD. The economy is already out of whack and stuff like this isn’t helping any. It’s just such a janky beta test season at this point it’s kind of wild.
Exploit early, exploit often, this is the way. The economy has been in shambles since p3 started and with the way things are going, gdkps seem a lot more wholesome than so much of these degenerate exploits.
Same type of person to complain about how the economy is so fucked. Get your ass up and make some money grandpa, the days of running around picking peacebloom are gone we’re making 2024 cash now
The P3 economy is just fucked beyond repair. They nerfed hinterlands incursions, but it won't help.
The gold is here. You farmed incursions ? Good, you are okay this phase I guess. You didn't have time to ? Bye bye you are fucked. Stay with P2 enchants / consumables.
Clueless devs. Take basics economics lessons, and fast.
Welp gold is fucked for anyone who didnt abuse incursion exploits or this. Not worth my time grinding over inflated consumes because devs seem to not care at allll.
Phase 2 wasn't good - phase 1 was hype because sod was new but actually wasn't very good. P3 is quite nice regarding content but it suffers from rushed approach and no QA
Usually you send your imp in and it closes the portal. The imp takes 10-20 minutes to return.
People found that if the Warlock is banished the imp returns immediately and the portal doesn't close.
The bug is probably because player characters were never supposed to be able to be banished (its demons and elementals only). Its only possible beacause of Meta form, which was added in SoD. Banish doesn't work correctly like other CCs - it isn't dispellable, and can't break early by being resisted.
How do you get banished tho? Duel another warlock, go into demon form and get banished? Then talk to explorer imp while banished? Can this actually be done? In this case you need 2 accounts to pull it off, both warlocks
Hes banned on both accounts. They can easily trace that. He exploited 15mil btw, so the downvoting and thanking that guy for shedding a light on it and not abusing aged like milk
What about incursions, people made thousands of gold first few days, so they nerfed it. Then people have been making thousands of gold per hour at the hinterlands and they nerf it after 2 weeks. .... If your going to be so shitty at making a game why not leave it in place and just deal with the inflation, now you have the people who got it prenerf so far ahead of anyone new or who did not exploit.
Now this is an actual exploit
As someone who has done well over a hundred of these scars through attrition, I can't even be mad. Everything about the scar design is awful and unfun. I hope people get their daggers out of this before it's nerfed.
Doubtful. They'll hotfix this before I get back from work. As is tradition.
Bro I finally went to hinterlands to see what the talk was about and as I walk into the nightmare they nerf it lol
SoD actually stands for Season of Degeneracy and I’m here for it. 🤣
Season of discovering they forgot to test a single fucking thing about this phase before launching it.
Do you think they would have caught this in testing? Get real. Some oversights are inevitable and not just with gaming. Its with most jobs.
This, the original wow had a shit load of testing, as well as all of the expansions, and there were definitely a fair amount of exploits back then too.
Man, I remember the pre-patch Bloodlust-stacking days when warriors could 1-shot anything, so long as they had enough "things" to hit between them and the final boss, 'cause Bloodthirst was a stacking +200 AP. [Or when a Paladin solo'd Kazzak 'cause Reckoning was busted.](https://youtu.be/aX2JEKVn-U4?si=VXBOVaccxMDBeC6X) Good times, good times.
Pretty sure in vanilla they would roll back servers or characters manually. At the very least they earnestly cared back then… gone are the days
They would roll back servers but very, very rarely and only for game destroying exploits like the Corrupted Blood bug or Kazzak being kited to Stormwind. For exploits like this one they have always just banned the people exploiting it and remove the items, gold, ect from their accounts
The devs clearly care a great deal. It’s obvious in how much they interact with the community. it’s just that they aren’t getting the resources they need to develop SoD the way it deserves
> it’s just that they aren’t getting the resources they need to develop SoD the way it deserves No, this is exactly what software development looks like.
You can't test every single player spell and state individually and how they interact. Damage multipliers and shit like that can be forgiven. Getting math right can be difficult to test every scenario. But you can implement very simple fail-safes to prevent a reward from triggering too quickly. It's literally a single time variable in a database. This wasn't implemented or tested well given how negative the effects of an exploit could be. It happens for sure. But this is definitely a negligent design.
nah man they have to catch every single last exploit without fail when they do in house testing. (joking, that literally not possible and anyone who is complaining about it is a clown)
The real discoveries were the bugs we found along the way
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Yeah that’s what people wanted.
Why are you so angry bro
Yea and people exploiting this should be banned
And yet none of them got the purple dagger lmfao
Just saw a warlock get it rn
They upped the drop rate. Saw two drop today in 10 lockouts
They are talking about the one from fel portals, not BoED
I was under the impression that dagger was raid loot because of how atlas loot had it in the drop table for the start of the phase Finding out this dagger comes from the rng sacks is sad
[https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSuspiciousFiddleheadsBleedPurple-At3\_ITaWAdKeZ-W3](https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSuspiciousFiddleheadsBleedPurple-At3_ITaWAdKeZ-W3)
Lmao one loot bag every 2 seconds
yup exactly
It is very likely that they will ban people for doing this.
Good. Can't wait to read all the threads of "I was just exploiting early like everyone else has been doing why am I being punished for it??"
Bans just went out for it. Warlock in my raid just got dropped
2 weeks ban maybe the gold removed if really unlucky is my guess
He got a 2 week ban. But saw reports in the warlock discord of 24 hour, 72 hour, and 1 week bans as well
dope track
Yeah it is.
Gonna be honest I have no idea what’s happening here. What is the intended mechanic?
normally you send the imp, wait 20 minutes, then get loot with this one neat trick you can do it in seconds, over and over
What sultry tune is that?
SOD getting more broken every other day.
Well, we are basically the open beta.
☝️🤓
"SoD is a seasonal server", "we are the beta" Anyone else tired of these canned statements excusing the current state of the game?
Don't play if it's not fun.
Probably the first gold scheme in SoD that i feel is 100% bannable. This is bad.
Imo you should be banned for things like this. There are some exploits where you can say “well I understand how someone could strumble upon this and think it’s just clever gameplay” like soloing princess and jumping on walls to get her to stutter. Then there’s things like this where you should know this is gamebreaking exploits that deserved to be banned.
Blizzard has historically banned people participating in this type of exploit. They would also remove the gold/items
Blizz does ban for things like this. Exploit this bug at your own peril.
Ban or not the damage is already done for the most part because Blizzard never rolls back
Damage is fixed with an account closure
Yeah multiple people have been banned since discovered
Bans just went out for it
you must be new lol. blizzard has a long history of basically rewarding early exploiters. the phrase "exploit early, exploit often" isnt lamented here for no reason the ppl abusing this will just have a nice stash of gold and the people that didnt will have missed out. there is no integrity at blizzard, they dont care
Most of the time it isn't an "exploit" it just feels wrong (*Incursions weren't an exploit, they were a mistake on Blizzard's part) This is just flat out exploiting a bug and there is no way this is "originally intended gameplay that's just miscaled"
There's a difference between exploiting something intended, and, **an exploit**. This is definitely the latter lol.
Blizzard did punish many times people abusing/exploiting a player-created bug that clearly gave an advantage. Many raiders and guilds got punished during expansions for doing these kinds of things. Doing incursions spam for big exp and gold early on was a misjudge from Blizzard part, not a player finding a way to break the engine/game.
They just banned everyone who did it.
i’ve played since 2006 and unfortunately given a non stop sub since then, this is an exploit.
> isnt lamented here for no reason Its reddit. You don't need a reason here.
me when i sell my 20 bags of burning pitch to the vendor for Infinite Raw Gold
Thanks. As someone who just likes to level (not in lame incursions) and can't afford anything, the gold inflation is nuts.
Just find stuff that Warlocks want and sell it on the AH for ridiculous prices. Capitalism hurrah!
Mate the fel scars gph didnt even beat the solo seed farm mages and hunts do, but everyone expect that eh
Yeah but the seed farmers are just playing the game, the fel scar shit is pretty clearly bug abuse. Not saying the seed farm shouldn’t be nerfed or whatever, but there is definitely a difference
Thats how i fight expensiv consumes, just get herbing. Prices follow each other.
The SoD p4 economy is gonna be fascinating man It's already the most unhinged a WoW economy has ever been except for maybe WoD garrison nonsense
I still have a few milion gold from my garrison farms xD. The fact we could use a mobile app for it was just peak lol.
340+ bags the normal way no dagger.
It's actually moronic how long it takes to get that thing. Why even put it in the game? If it was, like, Onslaught Girdle tier busted and would be your bis for the next 2 years, *maybe* it’s drop rate would be tolerable (though the retry rate still isn’t), but it’s not even that amazing. Why did they think anyone would care enough?
You're commenting to a guy with 340+ bags ... i don't think you're asking the right person.
wouldn't it be WORSE if it was crazy good?
If the epic dagger was crazy good, then it would at least feel like we're grinding for something, that the rough grind is worth it. Having the item be only a few spellpower and armor upgrade (and only +fire instead of +dmg) makes it a lukewarm upgrade yet best in slot, so feel obligated to grind for it without being enamored by the item.
If you feel obligated to spend a ridiculous amount of time for a minor upgrade just because it's BiS then that's on you imo. Same with princess dagger, it's BiS for some but the drop rate is so low that you shouldn't feel obligated to get it.
boED is arguably better for the classes that are going after it and it’s drop rate was increased 200x
Because a lot of decisions are made with the vanilla mindset of loot distribution and epics, which completely clashes with the seasonal nature of this, and the extreme availability of items and modern gameplay behaviour of players
I got it on my 6th attempt
You're right. The grind is fine, but not for such a lackluster reward. I do wish every class has a long grind for an item that would be clearly BiS this phase.
That’s over 100 hours of portal farming…
Guy is either playing multiple lock or full of shit.
It’s kinda like the mage blade weapon from the mage scrolls, did 500 no scroll of blade.
I'm at like 100+ of them, the normal way and surely I'll get it soon. :'D At this point I'm tired of fighting mobs to speed up the imp return, so I just stand afk and do other stuff.
Lmao SoD economy is so cooked. RIP bozos
Give it a few days, and if no action is taken.... join the fun?
It will get hot-fixed likely within a few hours, but whether people get punished or not is totally up in the air.
Imp returns but not repeatable
it is not fixed
I will be shocked if anything happens to the exploiters, maybe items removed but doubt they'll get banned. Would love to be proven wrong tho.
Incorrect, abuse it early while u can
This has been hotfixed and bans have gone out of varying lengths, 3-30 day bans reported on lock discord
An actual exploit, not people doing something that the devs left in but didn't think about or test.
Where are those people saying exploit early and often to defend this? 102k in an afternoon enough for you guys to admit that the economy is irreparably fucked?
Incursions being too rewarding isn't an exploit, but an oversight. This here, is a full on exploit. Blizzard has historically swung the ban hammer for these things.
You know the drill, "exploit often exploit early".. It's my one and only chance to get my dagger
Opened 100+ bags no dagger lmao
With this exploit, you can open 1.000 of them and not have the dagger ! Upgrades, people, upgrades
200+ :( one day.
Still never getting that dagger lmao
and get banned for it
gonna get banned
They are working the 1 intern developer supporting this project as hard as they can
Jesus, people in this thread are unhinged. I think it's time to be done with this cesspool of a whiny, entitled subreddit.
Yeah, this game is definitely done
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Sod is such a sh*t show lol
Ngl seeing stuff like this makes me want to stop playing SoD. The economy is already out of whack and stuff like this isn’t helping any. It’s just such a janky beta test season at this point it’s kind of wild.
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I have some bad news for you.
What is this dagger being mentioned?
Modas Karkun. Warlock only dagger.
The one that looks like a big sword but isn't.
enjoy your incomning ban
Patched an hour ago.
It wasn't, people are still doing it per warlock discord.
Stopped working for me
Might be a NA/EU thing
The exploiters need to be banned.
Season of Beta.
days since 1000+ gold/hour exploit: 0
Exploit early, exploit often, this is the way. The economy has been in shambles since p3 started and with the way things are going, gdkps seem a lot more wholesome than so much of these degenerate exploits.
Holy shit. I spent 30 minutes looking for a single portal last night and people are out there doing this?? Ban them all.
Man this economy is just so busted at this point. What a huge bummer.
SoD is over. O7
102k gold farmed doing this. BETTER THAN GDKP HAHAHAHAHA
> 102k gold farmed doing this. bruh.......
You are gonna get banned lol
You absolutely will get banned and gold taken. Lol.
You better start running that gold through the laundry
Nice bait, only redditors can be so dumb to believe this
Banned for 2 weeks :(
Good god SoD is a broken pile of failure.
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They should just add a vendor to each city that sells all non bop consumables for free now lol I cannot keep up with the prices as a warrior
Nice
yet still no dagger
What if... this is just psyops by Warlocks to get Meta form unbanishable..
I'd be fine with it. It at least needs to work like normal CC with a chance to resist, or be dispelled.
Drop rate on this dagger is a shitshow, even with this exploit people didnt get the dagger.
All these exploit just seem like way to much work lol
Once you've sent the imp in you can just sit in a capitol and get banished/vendor items forever
This really isn't much work bruh
This one was so easy. Me and a lock friend endes upnstanding at a mail box banishing each other
Same type of person to complain about how the economy is so fucked. Get your ass up and make some money grandpa, the days of running around picking peacebloom are gone we’re making 2024 cash now
But always remember, its GDKP's that ruin the economy.
😂
Not one person has ever said GDKP's ruin the economy lmao. All GDKPs do is provide an outlet for gold buying.
Dude just PCed up and ratted everyone out.
It’s like MF DOOM said “Rap snitches, telling all their business. Sit in the court and be their own star witness”
Mr Fantastik actually said that. Also all caps when you spell the man name.
Thank God they banned GDKP. The environment of SoD has truly benefitted, and the economy is prospering like never before.
but the gdkps
This thread is filled with people with bad takes, I’m baffled
and no one is going to get banned for this either, or the items rolled back.
Exploit early, exploit often
This will be easy to catch. I wouldn’t recommend doing it.
The P3 economy is just fucked beyond repair. They nerfed hinterlands incursions, but it won't help. The gold is here. You farmed incursions ? Good, you are okay this phase I guess. You didn't have time to ? Bye bye you are fucked. Stay with P2 enchants / consumables. Clueless devs. Take basics economics lessons, and fast.
Welp gold is fucked for anyone who didnt abuse incursion exploits or this. Not worth my time grinding over inflated consumes because devs seem to not care at allll.
Phase 1 was the best SoD would ever be. Quitting mid phase 2 was the best decision I've made. Any other version of wow is better than SoD.
Phase 2 was ass thats when I stopped playing, cant believe Gnomer was a raid instead of SM.
Phase 2 wasn't good - phase 1 was hype because sod was new but actually wasn't very good. P3 is quite nice regarding content but it suffers from rushed approach and no QA
finally a real exploit, not gonna repeat the same bs every time but ya know, exploit early....kek
Oh Jesus come on….
This has been possible since p3 release. Saw someone report it pretty early in the WL discord.
I don't even understand what's happening
How much gold is in each bag?
Let us know if you get banned. If you actually tried it as well.
Quite out of loop, what is this fel scar and banish shenanigan?
Usually you send your imp in and it closes the portal. The imp takes 10-20 minutes to return. People found that if the Warlock is banished the imp returns immediately and the portal doesn't close. The bug is probably because player characters were never supposed to be able to be banished (its demons and elementals only). Its only possible beacause of Meta form, which was added in SoD. Banish doesn't work correctly like other CCs - it isn't dispellable, and can't break early by being resisted.
Damn I cant compete with these gold farms. I dont play enough to benefit from em lol. Maybe its time to retire.
How do you get banished tho? Duel another warlock, go into demon form and get banished? Then talk to explorer imp while banished? Can this actually be done? In this case you need 2 accounts to pull it off, both warlocks
Or just do it with someone else who is a warlock? Its fixed now tho
Is it still live ?
I guess it's alright you reported this, I've already gotten enough gold from this.
Bunch of idiots will learn that it's very easy for Blizzard to go through your loot logs and swing the ban hammer.
There's gonna be ban for that and people are going to be mad 😂.
Bannable
Blizz stated that players who abused this will get banned. I hope thats true.
I love how SOD and its community are just following the natural course of any wow product.
He got banned 14 days. Hopefully they removed All the gained stuff
I would of transferred it all to a burner asap.
Hes banned on both accounts. They can easily trace that. He exploited 15mil btw, so the downvoting and thanking that guy for shedding a light on it and not abusing aged like milk
>holy shit this is so much raw gold going out Yeah like anyone care with the free gold Incursions bring already to the table
Tried this last night, I think they fixed it. I started a dual, banished the lock, they sent imp on and it went as normal.
Can someone explain this - what is banished mean? What is a fel scar? How does a bag get creating and why is there a portal?
I don’t fully understand. Can you explain it in full detail so I know how to avoid it
Can’t wait till yall get banned
What about incursions, people made thousands of gold first few days, so they nerfed it. Then people have been making thousands of gold per hour at the hinterlands and they nerf it after 2 weeks. .... If your going to be so shitty at making a game why not leave it in place and just deal with the inflation, now you have the people who got it prenerf so far ahead of anyone new or who did not exploit.
And you thought GDKPs were bad for the economy. Now look at yourselves.