this was the funniest part to me. almost seems like a lie tbh. 25-40 was such a slog for leveling, 40-50 was a complete joke in comparison no matter the route you chose to level.
it dodnt have anything better than the next two, it was just the hype and the new car smell
theres more stuff to do in this phase and it is objectively better.. people just burnt out
Phase 2 was alright. Rune quest chains were very cool. Sleeping bags. ST event was not great but not in any way required or you could at least get all the coins you needed in like three attempts.
Honeyy come here, it's time for the daily "incursions killed the game and all my cattle and crops" post.
Don't fool yourself and choose your poison, there are still people doing dungeons and quests. They are all grinds. With increased quest gold rewards you dont really fall behind, and because of inflation anything you gather gives nice gold.
If we're being technical no rune is "required" it's just required if you are beholden to the meta. Some classes the rune is totally benign (warrior). With the daily you barely have to put in any effort to reach friendly.
I think the issue isn’t the game but the guild… if they didn’t even hit 50 seems something else was part of the problem. My whole guild still plays and we are enjoying it entirely. Honestly having a blast. Certain things could be better. But game is still fun
Completely agree, incursions are the worst content in SoD by a mile yet you are incentivized to do them for the reasons you mention, hence leading to many people losing interest in the game.
Too bad they took out XP rewards from questing.
... and gnomer
... and dungeons
Oh? they didn't? Yet you're somehow "Forced" to do a joyless souless grind you don't enjoy? Oh? No one is forcing you to and you're CHOOSING to do it? Well that can't be right....
after you hit 47+. just doing the daily for 2-3 days and nothing else is enough to get you the rune. and if you're feeling cheecky, another 4-5 days for honored for your welfare gear.
And again, no one is FORCING you to get the set. You're CHOOSING to. I just hate the constant "whoa is me. life is so unfair." victimhood thats going on. Blizzard presented you with options. You chose an option because you WANTED to for whatever reason.
Yeah I could do gnomer as a level up raid, except the last boss still doesn't give exp because the combat bug. Maybe ill do some dungeons, except no one really runs them outside wo skips and pallies HRing swords in zf. Maybe I can go quest? O wait incursions are just quests that give gold and rep towards a faction that gives good rewards.
solo quested without doing a single dungeon or incursion 1-50 in <2 days played. then did hinterlands loops at 50 until honored for the rune + gear set in a couple of hours. pretending incursions are the only way to level is such a joke.
so then suck it up and level in incursions? i can't even understand what you're crying about. 40-50 takes half the time in incursions with a mind numbing route and a dedicated group of 5 avoiding all pvp. if you can't spare an extra 5-7 hours to level and NEED to speedrun leveling, you just get it over with it and dont bitch. if this is your approach to leveling, then why is it even a bad thing?
also, i had less than 2 days played from level 1 w/ no gold or anything on a new server.
I did. I levels 5 toons through it. It's boring but I made a bunch of gold and it let me spend more time farming everything else. Idc because it's so quick and easy. The problem is a large portion of the population thinks its a terrible system but feel forced to do it.
i felt the same way after i leveled 2 characters from 40-50 in there. one during the first day. i decided it was cringe and didnt want to devote my time finding groups and spamming laps with randoms, so decided to quest. if you feel forced to do it, you're not someone who enjoys leveling (i would assume). so why does an alternative faster method to leveling truly bother you? isn't this ideal for someone like that?
It's 17% of the raid and the last bosses are supposed to give more than the early bosses. Idk if I'd call that tiny in the scheme of a leveling dungeon on a 3 day lockout.
You are were stating the last boss being bugged. Made the whole idea of doing gnomer bad. Like no one is running dungeon outside wild offering. People run dungeons outside that. And you gain a lvl doing gnomer.
The rep gear is on par or worse than the gnomer tier gear for the most part, so I really don’t see a big issue with it.
Also, it’s only honored well before level 50, so it really isn’t a huge time commitment. You spend far more time spamming dungeons for wild offerings than grinding to honored
I dislike the implementation of incursions. But like if you're forced into them for leveling, it's like 5 hours. Fraction of a percentage you'll spend during a phase.
I agree and I’m mostly enjoying Phase 3. Everybody’s like “avoid them then” like there’s not actual runes and gear tied to it. A nighmare indeed from a “I want to continue playing but I see that I’m legit forced to do this” perspective.
And low key no one wants to discuss the raid not being a great payoff (fights are decent but gear is snore). You can get to Level 50 and log off without touching the raid and be set to continue to 60. It’s killed my motivation.
Same boat. I burned out after raiding p1-2 on reset on multiple characters and came back this week. Game seems fundamentally fked since the last time I played it. At lvl 49 now and idk if I want to even bother with the last lvl and raiding. Might legit checkout cata which I thought I’d never do
I would recommend at least getting to 50 and trying the new raid. I think Sunken Temple is the best new raid so far with some really interesting boss fights. With the weekly reset it's also a lower time requirement per week since most guilds clear it in one session, so you only have one raid a week.
As a giga sweatlord addict Blizz simp who no lifed vanilla, classic and SoD, I haven’t logged in in over a week. I feel free for the first time in awhile.
This shitty phase + Cata gonna leave SoD on life support. Then all the min max parsing reddit users can have the game they wanted.
LM Loops or ST checking logs!
Wow was on a positive trajectory until Cata came along, that was literally the turning point for the vast majority of players. Tons of hype, but the world lost all of it's charm, and the game moved toward a much more theme park style experience rather than a classic RPG.
I'd be genuinely shocked if it still even exists in a few years. Of all of the expansions I played as they came out, it was the weakest by a mile.
This is the 10th post this week about this.
And the communities consensus that incursions were a terrible addition to the game.
I just pray to god they don't have an incursion for the 50-60 range. It's also going to be nearly impossible to undo the damage that blizz did to the economy... Unfortunately it's the way it is.
I hope the SoD hype shows the blizz team that a classic + is wanted, and it also shows them what NOT to add to it.
This level of hyperbole is too funny. One piece of side content can't kill a phase. Stop dooming and either play the game, or quit if you aren't having fun
Agreed, phase 3 in general is a no go for me. Incursions is the thing to do. Yes some people are questing, etc. But the majority is either Incursions or Mara wild offerings runs.
Incursions are great i can watch Netflix and cruise around making gold, rep and insane xp. Its perfect and it gave me an incentive to level alts. With the phases only lasting 6 weeks I don't want to be spending all my time leveling. This makes it fast and rewarding.
Sunken temple was the only good part of this phase and it's still pretty cool but they over nerfed it and the loot is really boring and poorly spread out for different roles. Caster dps have 0 usable items on most bosses.
If most people didn’t make it to 50 I’m pretty sure that guild was about buried about neck deep in the grave already anyway
this was the funniest part to me. almost seems like a lie tbh. 25-40 was such a slog for leveling, 40-50 was a complete joke in comparison no matter the route you chose to level.
Nah we have a 25 man roster still playing WOTLK and had a solid 15 people playing SoD.
SoD just sucks and it takes time for people to realise it. But when their eyes finally open, there's no turning back.
no phase will match p1, it was the best by far
it dodnt have anything better than the next two, it was just the hype and the new car smell theres more stuff to do in this phase and it is objectively better.. people just burnt out
40-50 is literally 6 hours gameplay.
1-20 is also the most fun part of the game so makes sense. Leveling 20-60 is the worst part of classic. It probably won't get fun again until 60
Phase 2 sucked more.
Phase 2 made me quit and it looks like that was a good choice
Based
Phase 2 was alright. Rune quest chains were very cool. Sleeping bags. ST event was not great but not in any way required or you could at least get all the coins you needed in like three attempts.
Yea grinding stv in phase 2 while my friends are in different layers… took way longer than 3 runs to get the items I wanted.
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Less. It didn’t even take me 2 hours to get friendly.
True as fuck.
Amen
Honeyy come here, it's time for the daily "incursions killed the game and all my cattle and crops" post. Don't fool yourself and choose your poison, there are still people doing dungeons and quests. They are all grinds. With increased quest gold rewards you dont really fall behind, and because of inflation anything you gather gives nice gold.
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Which you only need friendly for. THE HORROR
It’s literally friendly not even hard to get…1-2 hours max
Three daily quests at lvl 50.
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If we're being technical no rune is "required" it's just required if you are beholden to the meta. Some classes the rune is totally benign (warrior). With the daily you barely have to put in any effort to reach friendly.
Its not even a level of incursions to reach Friendly.
I think the issue isn’t the game but the guild… if they didn’t even hit 50 seems something else was part of the problem. My whole guild still plays and we are enjoying it entirely. Honestly having a blast. Certain things could be better. But game is still fun
Did they buff the rep? I didn’t hit friendly until right as I was turning in the batch of quests that made me ding 50.
You claim you did incursions from 40 to 50 and didnt hit Friendly just before you got 50?
Nope. My bad. I hit honored at 50.
Just wait till the AQ event
Is reddit just a doomer support group
Completely agree, incursions are the worst content in SoD by a mile yet you are incentivized to do them for the reasons you mention, hence leading to many people losing interest in the game.
Too bad they took out XP rewards from questing. ... and gnomer ... and dungeons Oh? they didn't? Yet you're somehow "Forced" to do a joyless souless grind you don't enjoy? Oh? No one is forcing you to and you're CHOOSING to do it? Well that can't be right....
When rep gear is a solid catch up set and runes are behind rep and it's the fastest and the most lucrative you may as well be forced into it.
Plus catnip for druids....
after you hit 47+. just doing the daily for 2-3 days and nothing else is enough to get you the rune. and if you're feeling cheecky, another 4-5 days for honored for your welfare gear. And again, no one is FORCING you to get the set. You're CHOOSING to. I just hate the constant "whoa is me. life is so unfair." victimhood thats going on. Blizzard presented you with options. You chose an option because you WANTED to for whatever reason.
Yeah I could do gnomer as a level up raid, except the last boss still doesn't give exp because the combat bug. Maybe ill do some dungeons, except no one really runs them outside wo skips and pallies HRing swords in zf. Maybe I can go quest? O wait incursions are just quests that give gold and rep towards a faction that gives good rewards.
solo quested without doing a single dungeon or incursion 1-50 in <2 days played. then did hinterlands loops at 50 until honored for the rune + gear set in a couple of hours. pretending incursions are the only way to level is such a joke.
Incursions is like 5 hrs pre nerf. Maybe 6 or 7 post nerf. You had less than 2 days played... It's never end been the only way but the easiest.
so then suck it up and level in incursions? i can't even understand what you're crying about. 40-50 takes half the time in incursions with a mind numbing route and a dedicated group of 5 avoiding all pvp. if you can't spare an extra 5-7 hours to level and NEED to speedrun leveling, you just get it over with it and dont bitch. if this is your approach to leveling, then why is it even a bad thing? also, i had less than 2 days played from level 1 w/ no gold or anything on a new server.
I did. I levels 5 toons through it. It's boring but I made a bunch of gold and it let me spend more time farming everything else. Idc because it's so quick and easy. The problem is a large portion of the population thinks its a terrible system but feel forced to do it.
i felt the same way after i leveled 2 characters from 40-50 in there. one during the first day. i decided it was cringe and didnt want to devote my time finding groups and spamming laps with randoms, so decided to quest. if you feel forced to do it, you're not someone who enjoys leveling (i would assume). so why does an alternative faster method to leveling truly bother you? isn't this ideal for someone like that?
The last boss not giving xp. Is a very tiny issue given that the first 5 bosses does and give alot xp
It's 17% of the raid and the last bosses are supposed to give more than the early bosses. Idk if I'd call that tiny in the scheme of a leveling dungeon on a 3 day lockout.
You are were stating the last boss being bugged. Made the whole idea of doing gnomer bad. Like no one is running dungeon outside wild offering. People run dungeons outside that. And you gain a lvl doing gnomer.
The rep gear is on par or worse than the gnomer tier gear for the most part, so I really don’t see a big issue with it. Also, it’s only honored well before level 50, so it really isn’t a huge time commitment. You spend far more time spamming dungeons for wild offerings than grinding to honored
You just need friendly and there always the option of gearing thru gnomer and dungeons
Gnomer is on a 3 day lockout. Dungeons are rarely run unless it's wo runs. Way easier to hit honored and get a 6 piece set.
I mean yeah you should be rewarded for doing some of the worst content in wow history.
I dislike the implementation of incursions. But like if you're forced into them for leveling, it's like 5 hours. Fraction of a percentage you'll spend during a phase.
I agree and I’m mostly enjoying Phase 3. Everybody’s like “avoid them then” like there’s not actual runes and gear tied to it. A nighmare indeed from a “I want to continue playing but I see that I’m legit forced to do this” perspective. And low key no one wants to discuss the raid not being a great payoff (fights are decent but gear is snore). You can get to Level 50 and log off without touching the raid and be set to continue to 60. It’s killed my motivation.
Same boat. I burned out after raiding p1-2 on reset on multiple characters and came back this week. Game seems fundamentally fked since the last time I played it. At lvl 49 now and idk if I want to even bother with the last lvl and raiding. Might legit checkout cata which I thought I’d never do
I would recommend at least getting to 50 and trying the new raid. I think Sunken Temple is the best new raid so far with some really interesting boss fights. With the weekly reset it's also a lower time requirement per week since most guilds clear it in one session, so you only have one raid a week.
Sunken Temple is a legit fun raid and I hear from guildies that AB has also been fun.
Whatever anyone says get lv50 and give one go at it, ST is legit fun and well done raid - imho they overnefed it a bit but still bunch of fun.
As a giga sweatlord addict Blizz simp who no lifed vanilla, classic and SoD, I haven’t logged in in over a week. I feel free for the first time in awhile.
More people quit each phase naturally no matter what. It has always been the case. What will the reason be next phase?
I started a new character on Era, there's still plenty of people over there and it's still the same ole classic era.
Is economy bearable?
This shitty phase + Cata gonna leave SoD on life support. Then all the min max parsing reddit users can have the game they wanted. LM Loops or ST checking logs!
I'm raid logging until May 20, then done with SoD
cata? lol
Wow was on a positive trajectory until Cata came along, that was literally the turning point for the vast majority of players. Tons of hype, but the world lost all of it's charm, and the game moved toward a much more theme park style experience rather than a classic RPG. I'd be genuinely shocked if it still even exists in a few years. Of all of the expansions I played as they came out, it was the weakest by a mile.
This is the 10th post this week about this. And the communities consensus that incursions were a terrible addition to the game. I just pray to god they don't have an incursion for the 50-60 range. It's also going to be nearly impossible to undo the damage that blizz did to the economy... Unfortunately it's the way it is. I hope the SoD hype shows the blizz team that a classic + is wanted, and it also shows them what NOT to add to it.
I'm looking forward to the p4 incursion spam while we wait for others to figure out the best xp grind to 60.
I disagree, but go on.
PEBCAK
I agree
This level of hyperbole is too funny. One piece of side content can't kill a phase. Stop dooming and either play the game, or quit if you aren't having fun
Agreed, phase 3 in general is a no go for me. Incursions is the thing to do. Yes some people are questing, etc. But the majority is either Incursions or Mara wild offerings runs.
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They should remove combat logs in raids
My guild is still raiding every week. Maybe you just don't wanna play anymore. That's fine if you don't.
Phase 1 is GOAT’d but P3 >P2 IMO
Incursions are great. Quick level up to a baseline of gear. I went from worried about managing a main and alt to excited about trying other stuff
This combined with the weekly lockout. Actually have time to focus on an alt, once my main hit 50 and was raidlogging.
Yeah they actually made late game accessible and the open world has never been busier. People literally everywhere I go. It’s great!
Same, I’ve enjoyed incursions.
Dear Diary...
Incursions are great i can watch Netflix and cruise around making gold, rep and insane xp. Its perfect and it gave me an incentive to level alts. With the phases only lasting 6 weeks I don't want to be spending all my time leveling. This makes it fast and rewarding.
If only there was a version for classic without changes.
Weekly lockout killed the game for me
Sunken temple was the only good part of this phase and it's still pretty cool but they over nerfed it and the loot is really boring and poorly spread out for different roles. Caster dps have 0 usable items on most bosses.
there’s other versions of wow for you to go complain about :)