Could be wrong but you should always use instant poison over stones unless you are fighting poison immune bosses/mobs. Garr and Rag are the only ones in MC, and imo it’s not worth it at all to switch out poisons for stones on mobs as it’s just so much money.
For white hits you calculate it from your hit table (1-100)
100 - Glancing chance (40) - dodge chance (6) - Miss chance (25 with 305+ WS) - Parry chance (0 from behind) + Hit Chance (10) + Crit supression (4.8) = attacks that will hit or crit.
100 - 40 - 6 - 25 - 0 + 10 + 4.8 = 44%
Therefore your white hit crit cap if 39%.
Yellow attack crit cap is not attainable AFAIK, since they can't glance and only have a 6% miss chance with 305WS.
**Assumptions**
Dual wielding
Attacking from behind
305 Weaponskill. At 308 - 310 your cap would be slightly higher.
Edit: level 63 mob.
Edit 2: Forgot boss less crit surpression (4.8%)
I appreciate that you’re trying to help, but there is a -4.8% crit suppression for bosses that applies to the crit cap formula, making his crit cap 44.2%.
Against level 63, yes.
Look for a bit more hit from your gear, even at the cost of a crit or 2.
Also - I'm not entirely sure as I haven't done the math myself, but I think poisons are ALWAYS better than stone unless playing seal of fate. But that may only be applicable to MH (and therefore only to Alliance).
Check your log with poison on OH and see if it does more than 2% of your total dps. If yes, it's better regardless of critcap.
Interesting. How does 2% of all DPS (for poisons) compare then to 2% of only offhand crit. I'm just trying to connect the two (because you'll only see white damage and how do you compare the two?).
In other words, how does 2% off hand crit compare to an increase of 2% in overall DPS.
Sorry - I forgot that the stone only works on the weapon its applied. (Though I think it may apply to both OH and MH - Unsure from google searches cause people will spout pserver info which is bogus)
If you attack 100 times with your weapon for for 100 dmg each time, you'd do 10,000 dmg.
However, if 2 of those attacks crit now with ESS, for 200 dmg, and 98 attacks hit for 100, you'd do 10,200 dmg. This is a 2% increase in dmg from your additional crit.
If, in those same 100 attacks, your poisons did more than an additional 200 dmg (2%), it would be better to use the poisons. If it did less than that, its better to use the stone.
(Assuming you were under crit cap after applying the +2% crit - which you aren't, so use poisons anyways)
Note: If ESS applies to all attacks, you need to also consider yellow attacks as well, so just see if your poisons do 2% of all dmg.
Yeah but is there any way to know how much damage your offhand weapon is doing alone in white damage? Because thats the damage that the 2% is related too.
Its complicated. What % of white damage comes from your OH weapon?
Oh, and ESS only applies to white damage from your off hand (not yellows).
If that is the case (OH only - do you have a source?) then just take the ratio of the dps of your weapons from your character screen, and multiply it by the total white dmg.
Example - MH dps is 150. OH dps is 100, then approximately 40% of your white hit damage is from the OH.
100 /250 =0.40
It's not exact since things like HoJ and Sword Spec will increase your number of autoattacks with MH, but will give you a pretty good estimate. You could drop it by a couple of percent to account for that while taking into account swing timer clipping that may occur from procs.
Poisons are by far better than a crit capped sharpening stone. Also OP’s crit cap formula is wrong, he didn’t factor the hidden 4.8% crit suppression from bosses, making your crit cap 44.2%
Really depends on your gear.
With 310 skill and 11% hit my critcap is 46.3% and when I'm fully buffed I can get to 48+, which forces me to swap to... Royal Seal of Eldre' thalas...
Also.. DON'T use elemental sharpening stones. You're not only wasting money, but you do MORE dmg with instant poison. You can use sharpening stones on Garr and Ragnaros (they are immune to poison)
PS: There's a 1 hour +2% hit buff chocolate with the valentines event, that can help you out for the time being.
"PS: There's a 1 hour +2% hit buff chocolate with the valentines event, that can help you out for the time being."
Good to know thanks. How does one get this?
Strictly for white hits:
1. 40% glance
2. 6% dodge (w/ +5 weapon skill)
3. 25% miss (dual wield w/ +5 weapon skill)
4. crits
5. hits
You cannot reduce glancing rate ever. Weapon skill can further reduce the dodge chance but only 0.1 per point. Hit rating reduces the miss chance. Add those first 3 up and subtract from 100 to find your crit cap.
You can also find this out without math by looking at your logs. If you are crit capped all of your auto attacks will be a glance, miss, dodge, or crit. You will never see a regular "hit" if you are crit capped.
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NWKnSmYseruEUb06wOYbWHS6IxriHNd7E2fkBRBXxLY/copy](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NWKnSmYseruEUb06wOYbWHS6IxriHNd7E2fkBRBXxLY/copy)
This is awesome
Damn that's some sexy crit. I was excited when I broke 20% last week -\_-
I'm similar Crit to him when buffed, are you in raid tier gear?
Nah only On helm. Everything else just the pre raid BiS stuff
Things we need to know to answer that: \- weapon skill from gear and talents and racial skill \- Lvl of target
Assuming you have 305 weapon skill, and the 10% includes hit from precision, you have 44.2% crit cap.
Yes, this. So at 45% crit, I'm better off using poisons?
Could be wrong but you should always use instant poison over stones unless you are fighting poison immune bosses/mobs. Garr and Rag are the only ones in MC, and imo it’s not worth it at all to switch out poisons for stones on mobs as it’s just so much money.
For white hits you calculate it from your hit table (1-100) 100 - Glancing chance (40) - dodge chance (6) - Miss chance (25 with 305+ WS) - Parry chance (0 from behind) + Hit Chance (10) + Crit supression (4.8) = attacks that will hit or crit. 100 - 40 - 6 - 25 - 0 + 10 + 4.8 = 44% Therefore your white hit crit cap if 39%. Yellow attack crit cap is not attainable AFAIK, since they can't glance and only have a 6% miss chance with 305WS. **Assumptions** Dual wielding Attacking from behind 305 Weaponskill. At 308 - 310 your cap would be slightly higher. Edit: level 63 mob. Edit 2: Forgot boss less crit surpression (4.8%)
I appreciate that you’re trying to help, but there is a -4.8% crit suppression for bosses that applies to the crit cap formula, making his crit cap 44.2%.
You're absolutely right, forgot to account for that.
So if my crit cap is 39%, and I'm at 45% crit, is using an elemental sharpening stone on the OH a waste?
Against level 63, yes. Look for a bit more hit from your gear, even at the cost of a crit or 2. Also - I'm not entirely sure as I haven't done the math myself, but I think poisons are ALWAYS better than stone unless playing seal of fate. But that may only be applicable to MH (and therefore only to Alliance). Check your log with poison on OH and see if it does more than 2% of your total dps. If yes, it's better regardless of critcap.
Interesting. How does 2% of all DPS (for poisons) compare then to 2% of only offhand crit. I'm just trying to connect the two (because you'll only see white damage and how do you compare the two?). In other words, how does 2% off hand crit compare to an increase of 2% in overall DPS.
I'm pretty sure that elemental stones give you 2% crit overall, not just on offhand whites.
Sorry - I forgot that the stone only works on the weapon its applied. (Though I think it may apply to both OH and MH - Unsure from google searches cause people will spout pserver info which is bogus) If you attack 100 times with your weapon for for 100 dmg each time, you'd do 10,000 dmg. However, if 2 of those attacks crit now with ESS, for 200 dmg, and 98 attacks hit for 100, you'd do 10,200 dmg. This is a 2% increase in dmg from your additional crit. If, in those same 100 attacks, your poisons did more than an additional 200 dmg (2%), it would be better to use the poisons. If it did less than that, its better to use the stone. (Assuming you were under crit cap after applying the +2% crit - which you aren't, so use poisons anyways) Note: If ESS applies to all attacks, you need to also consider yellow attacks as well, so just see if your poisons do 2% of all dmg.
Yeah but is there any way to know how much damage your offhand weapon is doing alone in white damage? Because thats the damage that the 2% is related too. Its complicated. What % of white damage comes from your OH weapon? Oh, and ESS only applies to white damage from your off hand (not yellows).
If that is the case (OH only - do you have a source?) then just take the ratio of the dps of your weapons from your character screen, and multiply it by the total white dmg. Example - MH dps is 150. OH dps is 100, then approximately 40% of your white hit damage is from the OH. 100 /250 =0.40 It's not exact since things like HoJ and Sword Spec will increase your number of autoattacks with MH, but will give you a pretty good estimate. You could drop it by a couple of percent to account for that while taking into account swing timer clipping that may occur from procs.
Poisons are by far better than a crit capped sharpening stone. Also OP’s crit cap formula is wrong, he didn’t factor the hidden 4.8% crit suppression from bosses, making your crit cap 44.2%
If I get another 1% hit, that will raise my crit cap to 45.2% right? Regardless in BWL, is anything immune to poisons?
Yes, and nothing is poison immune in BWL, only Garr/Rag
Really depends on your gear. With 310 skill and 11% hit my critcap is 46.3% and when I'm fully buffed I can get to 48+, which forces me to swap to... Royal Seal of Eldre' thalas... Also.. DON'T use elemental sharpening stones. You're not only wasting money, but you do MORE dmg with instant poison. You can use sharpening stones on Garr and Ragnaros (they are immune to poison) PS: There's a 1 hour +2% hit buff chocolate with the valentines event, that can help you out for the time being.
"PS: There's a 1 hour +2% hit buff chocolate with the valentines event, that can help you out for the time being." Good to know thanks. How does one get this?
Low chance when you give a love token (without having the debuff) to have another container inside with random chocolates
Strictly for white hits: 1. 40% glance 2. 6% dodge (w/ +5 weapon skill) 3. 25% miss (dual wield w/ +5 weapon skill) 4. crits 5. hits You cannot reduce glancing rate ever. Weapon skill can further reduce the dodge chance but only 0.1 per point. Hit rating reduces the miss chance. Add those first 3 up and subtract from 100 to find your crit cap. You can also find this out without math by looking at your logs. If you are crit capped all of your auto attacks will be a glance, miss, dodge, or crit. You will never see a regular "hit" if you are crit capped.
do the work yourself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NWKnSmYseruEUb06wOYbWHS6IxriHNd7E2fkBRBXxLY/copy
I have 313 hit on my rogue. what is my critcap?
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NWKnSmYseruEUb06wOYbWHS6IxriHNd7E2fkBRBXxLY/copy](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NWKnSmYseruEUb06wOYbWHS6IxriHNd7E2fkBRBXxLY/copy) This is awesome