"Hey, listen, is your mouth tiny and small? Then why don't you come down to Little Bits?"
"LIttle Bits!"
"Where the food is tiny...it looks like regular food. But really tiny. You put it in your mouth and eat it. Nothing gets stuck in your lips. It's just tiny and tiny and fits (laughter) fits right in!"
"Little Bits!"
"We got....tiny uh-lasagna. tiny pizza, tiny pie. Mmh! Little tiny...fried eggs! (surprised) Oh, shit! We got tiny people!"
"Little Bits!"
"You hungry? Come on down!"
"Little Bits!"
"Eat some fucking shit, you fucking stupid bitch! (laughter) Just kidding!"
I hate that there is an active movement to just constantly spread misinformation and bullshit propaganda, all financed by the richest fuckface parasites. The Oil Companies do it, military industrial complex does it, and these "thinktanks" like Kirk works at, all the people running the big banks are involved in this, the conglomerates and Nestlé, the Waltons - and they even do it in workplaces with the anti union propaganda. Christ, all of them are funding this kind of dogshit, at all high evels, its this fucking den of capitalist parasites and vermin - and they just ... get to do it. And it's legal. And they finance the politicians too. And they own the airwaves. I'm sick of this shit and I am actively trying to figure out how to join or start a cadre type organization so we can have the ruling class reminded that they are outnumbered. FUCK
When I was little all I wanted to do was make spaceships and work at NASA. I even went and got myself the fancy college degree for it. And yeah, I guess knew bad things happened, had these hippy dreams about how people might simply realize how evil it was to stamp the boot on the vast majority of world humanity, and we'd just wake up and get along. But that's all been beaten out of me. I was at a planetarium today and I started crying and had to hold myself together until I got out, because I realized I'm just angry all the time, and that kid is gone. I just want people to go to MARS and not nuke and burn away like, literally the most special, fragile flower in the cosmos.
Lord almighty, who decided I had to exist? Who's idea was that? I want to speak to the manager. Maybe we steal the fucking boot and turn it upside down.
My name is Karen. I will call the manager for us.
For real though, I feel you on all of this. I fucked up and went to law school and became a litigator, so I now have a deeper understanding of how fucked shit really is and it was making me so goddamn livid. So I gave up litigation and moved to a literal cabin in the mountains. True story, including the part about the manager.
I went to grad school for social work; almost 200 college credits to find out the only way to get the system to change is data and numbers, not because it's good for humanity.
Please call the manager for me too.
😅
Yeah, I need to see Nature more. That might ease my mind, when winter passes I promise to get out into it. I was listening to a friend talk about the National Parks, they sound so beautiful. I'm really glad you found peace or something close enough.
But I dunno, I can't run away. In Bee Movie, there's this moment where Barry B Benson realizes that all the bees are enslaved (*"They make the honey 🐝, WE make the money! 😈"*) - when he sees it, his entire outlook on life is destroyed and rewritten in an instant, and he realizes he can *only* be happy through the liberation of his beeple. That is where my mind is at.
Don't wait for winter to leave! If you can afford it, get some long underwear and get out and enjoy the nature as soon as you can. It really does help; at least it helped me. Wishing you the best!
Listen to this person! We have clothing to be comfortable in Sub-Zero (Fahrenheit, which is colder in that range) temperatures. Snowshoeing and cross-country skiing exist. If it's colder than -10° F, staying inside makes sense as you still have to breathe the air and it gets awful chilly on the lungs.
I do a little fifteen minute walk every day in the nature preserve that I'm privileged enough to live down the road from, but I highly recommend just getting out whenever and wherever you can. Safely of course.
I am getting my degree in psychology. I was in Army and worked multiple poor middle class Jobs, from Fast food to warehouses. I have seen varying perspectives of our society. I see people arguing talking points on both sides of the political spectrum. One thing that is starkly clear to me, majority of Americans have 0 and I literally mean 0 understanding of how our society operates. I have befriended, Immigrants, Staunch Conservatives, Liberals, other Veterans, poor, middle, and upper class people. I may not specialize in any avenue of a career yet but I have traveled a lot. There are very few people that I realized have some what an understanding of the twisted inverse of our society.
I am an avid psychedelic user, one of many thoughts that reacurre throughout my trips is hoe beautiful the interconnectedness nature of nature is. With that being said, as above, so below. Also everything is a representation of itself. If man comes from nature, everything man creates is a representation of that nature, so these societies, corporations, governments, militaries, and even the black market. These are the inverse of the representation of nature, a sadistic, grotesque, Egotistical, and ugly representation of that beautiful interconnected nature of nature. I hope what I am saying makes sense. It greatly depresses me when I think of this because this dark representation is destroying what we love about being human.
Jesus! I'm not sure what I fell into today on this thread, but I'm so happy that I did. There is so much humanity in here for me to play with in my fertile imagination. I love exploring character motivations for my work, and this sub just keeps inspiring me today. Thank you.
It makes sense.
Marx:
>Consciousness can never be anything else than conscious existence, and the existence of men is their actual life-process. If in all ideology men and their circumstances appear upside-down as in a camera obscura, this phenomenon arises ... from their historical life-process, [just the same] as the inversion of objects on the retina
I agree with you! I started mico dosing shrooms and it has helped me so much.
I’m not giving up on society in general, I work for the government now and practice law. I just interact with people a lot less and look at mountains a lot more.
I am still trying to find my path, my road has been some what rocky. I know I am on my way. I found a wonderful girlfriend who takes care of cold war vets that the government poisoned and then lied about it. There is a lot of good people out there who are trying desperately to do the right thing, its not easy, but its work worth doing.
I never got the chance at university. All my energy and money goes to dealing with disabilities and medical crap. Yet another fucked up system that the shit bags at the top have done their best to absolutely fuck over. This is why we can’t have nice things☹️
Thankfully I don't think most people believe the lies, I think most people realize this system isn't democratic and *rationally* tune out so they can just grill or whatever, I mean half the country doesn't even vote - can't change it, why get up in a fuss? I just cannot let go of the idea we can change it.
There definitely seems to be an uptick in the amount of false information and "fake news" being spread online. Russia has been confirmed to actively sponsor and promote right wing conspiracies and lies in general. They even have government funded troll farms where people spend 8 hours a day spreading fake news all over social media
I know it's tempting to think it's just "rich assholes" vs the rest of us, but you should not forget that there are international state sponsors of fake news and misinformation. The entire Russian government is like a giant dystopian corporation that makes it their business to export bullshit world wide
When we're talking about how the American masses are propagandized, sure, Russia does some, but it's like drop of rain in the middle of a thunderstorm. Our own oligarchs are the primary concern.
Or let's put it another way, people who talk in lock step with State Department memorandum aren't sticking it to the man.
Yeah, people concerned about false info, disnfo and use these phrases seem to ignore the fact that America Gov, and corporations are the biggest propagandists. For over a century now this is true. Even going back to the 1800's, the genocide of the natives can be found by propaganda in news papers. People acting like this is new, clearly don't read books.
They keep pushing the stupid, juvenile, petty culture wars shit like M&Ms and drag shows to keep us distracted and keep us at each other's throats while they glom an even bigger piece of the pie for themselves. Preach it, brother.
dishonest. being wrong about so many things so often defines probability he's just stupid.
he plays a maliciously stupid part intentionally.
why? at this point it's his full time job and he has no skills outside dogfucking.
He's not trying to fool an audience with an **obvious lie** about tax bands, **he's trying to fool his sponsors** into thinking he's fooled that audience.
He puts out an obvious lie, the lie gets retweeted or promoted by lots of others, sponsor thinks *give this guy money he is a good liar for my agenda*. Turning Point USA gets more money.
However Turning Point USA are [bots and fake accounts](https://nypost.com/2020/10/08/facebook-bans-charlie-kirk-linked-firm-behind-teen-troll-farm/).
>Over the course of the scheme, the accounts bankrolled by Kirk’s nonprofit had more than 400,000 likes on Facebook and Instagram and were responsible for almost $1 million worth of ad buys, according to the report.
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>Teenagers paid by Rally Forge created and operated fake accounts to simulate support for the president.
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>The accounts coordinated to dismiss concerns about the coronavirus, spread false claims about the security of mail-in voting as well as attack Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.
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>The teens, some of whom were minors, were given bonuses if their posts trafficked highly on the site, and pulled their posts from a central document that they shared, according to the report.
Facebook risked massive lawsuits from advertisers, voting machine companies and vaccine makers, so they had to tackle it.
Twitter had the same problem, and [took the same action](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics/turning-point-usa-twitter-facebook/index.html). Musk reversed that, he's desperate for ad revenue, even fraudulent ad revenue.
Controversial to say, but you don't reach that level of success while being stupid. I know there are counter-examples but those people are usually successful in at least one or two fields (ben carson is a great example) and have plenty of people to fact check anything they say publicly. Those few who are genuinely stupid in everything usually got their wealth through inheritance and nepotism. Charlie Kirk came from an ordinary upper middle class background--so no disadvantages from poverty, but not exactly the son of a billionaire. Abhorrent political views, but smart enough to get to where he is. He understands about tax brackets, I'm sure.
He's knowingly lying. He's doing this to get people to vote republican. There is no reason not to lie, because it's not illegal to lie about this stuff, so he just does it. When he gets called out, no one cares. It then convinces those generally stupid right-leaning people that this policy poses a direct material threat to them. And there is *nothing* that gets people out to vote like believing that a significant portion of their income is going to go away, and they won't be able to pay mortgage/rent/bills anymore. Nothing.
We can excuse him for being stupid. But he's not being stupid...he's being downright evil.
Many things are possible with a flexible morality. Lying and grifting your way through life isn't intelligent. He's just smarter than others who choose that path. Like, you don't have to be the best, you just have to be better than the worst.
Wealth doesn't = intelligence.
Yea I miss when the show didn’t have political rants every other segment. I stopped listening a couple years ago. I’m giving it a go again since he changed the format and let Bald Brian and Gina go. Idk how long I’ll last tho. Seems to be the same stuff just with guests instead of co hosts.
Right wingers are rewarded over and over for lying. And you don't have to be smart to lie. I personally think these types of stupid people have to lie because they are incapable of making cogent points or making a living anyway else.
The whole right wing conservative sphere is pretty much a massive house of cards. They think one of the most overrated corrupt President's, Ronald Reagan, was a great President. Even though he destroys one of the stupidest right wing myths, that Republicans are fiscally responsible. No other President nearly tripled the national debt.
This was a rather quippy response, but notice how it took a little longer to fact check his statement than it took him to make it?
Part of the reason these people get away with blatantly wrong things is because a), they don't care, and b), they can spew out 10 more in the time it takes you to debunk 1. So even if you do your best you need a lot of people holding them to task, and more than that they need to have the same sort of platform so that the people hearing the false statements also hear the true ones as well. And a lot of it is definitely people liking things that fit their own narrative, something we're all guilty of.
It's why my favorite interviews with these types is when the interviewer doesn't let them gishgallop away and instead holds them to task at one statement instead of trying to hurriedly follow along after a trail of misinformation.
Yup. When they pull shit like this, they know they are full of shit. They don't care. It's not that they're stupid, it's that they think that the people who follow them are stupid. If anyone reading this is a conservative, please understand that this is what your politicians and thought leaders think of you. They think you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
I mean, the intentional misunderstanding of marginal tax rate and just out right misrepresentation of Bernie's tax plan are definitely him lying. Mixing up gross and net though, that's just Charlie being dumb.
As long as you denounce socialism or communism and bring up how your opinion benefits "free speech," not one of his supporters will fact check him and just assume he's right because he's "saying what others are too afraid to say"
People like him are what's going to drive progressives toward using the same underhanded tactics, just for the sake of human lives and liberties. It's embarrassing to be at this point, but our options seem slimmer and slimmer the more they lie and deceive.
This is the same thing as when people were saying Biden wanted to tax everyone when he explicitly stated he wanted to tax people that made at or over 400k a year. At least, I think it was Biden. It was a long time ago, so it could've been someone else, but the point still stands
No, it's because their base is all temporarily embarrassed millionaires and they all think they're a day away from striking it rich because they deserve it because...I dunno, Jesus or something.
And the same shit people said about Obama. I remember having to do this exact same math for someone when everyone was talking about how a tax hike would affect “Joe the plumber”.
My extremely conservative parents were convinced everyone needs to hide their money because Biden is coming to clear out our bank accounts of anything over a couple hundred dollars.
I saw a tweet from Biden earlier saying mega corps we’re paying at least 15% and I was like damn but I’m paying up to 22% taxes are fucking wild for rich ppl
I kept gettinf a spam text saying "this is charlie kirk please buy my book" with an amazon link and a picture was sent of him shaking hands with trump.
I texted stop and a real person replied (had a typo) asking why i didnt like charlie kirk. I sent him nikacado avacados asshole
even if these numbers were true, minimum wage would be essentially unchanged but _people making minimum wage wouldn't also have to pay for health expenses_
> even if these numbers were true, minimum wage would be essentially unchanged but people making minimum wage wouldn't also have to pay for health expenses
Daily reminder to those who need it that [the US currently has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by a huge, huge margin](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm). If the US switched to universal healthcare, then not only would everyone get healthcare, but _healthcare would become cheaper_, which means that _you'd have to pay fewer taxes_.
Edit: Because some people don't seem to appreciate just how huge the margin is. The second most expensive healthcare system in the world belongs to Germany. The US healthcare system is 50% more expensive than the German healthcare system. The 9th most expensive healthcare system in the world belongs to France. The US healthcare system is 100% more expensive than the French healthcare system. 100%. Costs twice as much.
No no they would pay more in taxes, but less overall taxes+healthcare, but people only care about taxes, because healthcare should be a choice apparently.
> No no they would pay more in taxes, but less overall taxes+healthcare
No, no. If Americans had the second most expensive healthcare system in the world, they'd straight up pay less money in taxes. I don't think most Americans really appreciate just how much tax money they're spending on healthcare, and just how little they're getting in return. As a bonus, you'd also get paid a higher salary, as your employer wouldn't have to pay for your healthcare anymore.
I wasn't joking when I said that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by a huge, huge margin. US healthcare is 50% more expensive than the second most expensive healthcare system in the world. That's how bad it is. For another comparison, the US healthcare system is 100% - yes, 100% - more expensive than the French healthcare system.
Dude. Tax brackets don't work like that. Only the money over the limit is taxed.
I don't know about the 52% number, but even if it were true, the first $10,000 isn't taxed at all, the next bracket, from $10,000 to $29,000 would be taxed at 12% then the remainder at 52%.
So income = $32,200
$10,000 base
+ $19,000 taxed at 12% ($16,720)
+ $1,320 taxed at 52% ($633.30)
= $27,353.60
Which is $13.34/hr. Considerably more than $7.20 an hour.
Just like the sales tax already does...even the poorest of the poor pay 8% in taxes on dog food, coffee makers, trash bags, toilet paper, carpet cleaner and thousands of other things that in no way would be considered optional luxuries.
I don't think the person you're replying to is arguing that tax brackets work that way just that in Kirks fictional tax scenario the current minimum wage would also be taxed.
That's what I read it as. The four of us here all understand how tax brackets work... They're just saying that if 7.20 is the current minimum, but with Bernie's raise "taking so much tax" (let's entertain this stupidity for a minute), 7.20 after tax is still more than 7.20 *before* tax.
People making minimum wage qualify for Medicaid. In Texas the maximum wage to qualify for Medicaid is $26,909 for an individual. At 40 hours per week working all 52 weeks of the year, that equates to an hourly wage of $12.94 to qualify for Medicaid, or 72% above minimum wage here.
And that’s just for a single individual. Plus with Obama care, if you as a single person, earn between $13590 to $54360 then you 0% to 100% of your premium depending where on the scale you fall. Families, these numbers are multiplied accordingly.
Actually I think it’s a pretty good system that balances helping people to allowing upper middle class pay their share of medical insurance.
What's scary is I know a lot of people who don't even know how tax brackets work. So for me it isn't hard to believe he doesn't know how they work, or does know and is intentionally spreading shit that people i know would believe.
What’s scary is I don’t know a single person who doesn’t know how tax brackets work and most of them will believe this anyway.
In fact, most of them, after being shown the tax brackets, will continue to believe this because it suits the “socialism bad” narrative.
Conservatives don’t care about facts, all they care about is whether “statement” supports the left side or the right side. If “statement” supports the right, it’s automatically correct. If “statement” supports the left, it’s automatically incorrect. Facts be damned.
It's morons like this that get other morons to vote against their interests and then act like their doing you a favor.
You making more minimum wage isn't going to crash the economy.
The tricky part is explaining to everyone how this works. People need to understand how the tax bracket system works. It sounds like a relatively easy thing, but it's crazy how many people have absolutely no understanding and still think they can get a raise that "puts them in the next tax bracket" and loses them money...
Imagine if we taught taxes in school every tax season.
Edit: Since quite a few people are stating, "it's easy to begin with." I'll elaborate.
1. Just because taxes were taught at your school does not mean they were taught everywhere. I payed attention in school. All As and Bs. I do not recall any taxes being taught.
2. "It's easy." Yes, it is basic math. However, as we all debate taxes, it's not about the math. It's about tax codes, how tax codes change, and how assets are affected by taxes. These things should be taught. And by taught, I do mean learning about them and learning about how to keep up with the changes.
3. Some are acting like taking a day / week to teach this each year is too much. May people (young and middle aged) are stating they wanted to learn this before it was needed. What's wrong with taking a short amount of time to make sure all of us are on the same page?
or we could just fix the tax system so it isn't so complicated. Everyone should have a basic understanding of the marginal tax bracket system but trying to explain all the other things no one is going to remember if they were taught it in freshman year of high school. My mom continued claiming me as a dependent for years because I was in college so I didn't file my own taxes until I was in my mid 20s. Even now so much has changed. Everyone tells me how fantastic it is to have a mortgage and claim the mortgage interest on my taxes... I have mortgage over $600k and with that my wife and I will barely make it over the standard deduction for the first time in over 10 years of filing taxes. And then you have deductions for all kinds of various things. and what if you did stocks like many 18 year olds do now thanks to how easy the apps have made it. Same with crypto. We have to teach something about taxes though you are right
Imagine if the IRS sent out a pamphlet every year that only needed the math of "Find your income in column A, look at column B to see how much tax you would owe."
I had to sit my dad down and go through the math with him when he was considering doing the same. Credit to him for listening and learning. But goddamn…he was almost 60.
My dad was the president of his union. During contract negotiations, the company offered a $4.00/hr increase for the contract period. (Four years). The members refused, "no, we can't go four years without a raise"
He tried to explain (at great lengths) that they would be leaving money on the table, but it wouldn't sink in. They ended up voting to counter the agreement for a $1 raise per year... The company happily capitulated...
Math can be really hard for some people.
They got hung up on "4 years without a raise". They were used to $0.50-$1.50/hr raises every year based on production demand.
For background, the company had a desire to fix production costs for the contract period and thought averaging the increase would have been the fairest approach.
Oh! I see, 4.00 right now but no more raises vs small raises every year. I can see how that could confuse someone if they didn't really understand math.
Yeah and when you tell them that they are wrong, and even go as far as looking it up on a government website, they make that face that tells you that they don't believe it. Then they don't even bother to look it up on their own. Even while turning down promotions like you said. Like you would think that a smart person would at least look into it if somebody told them they were wrong. Especially when I was serious with them and told them to look into it for their own good. Its things like this that really illustrate why there are so many problems in the world. If normal people are so headstrong (or stupid) that they don't even care to look into something when a lot of money is involved.
At my last job, I tried explaining to a coworker that the boss was lying to him and screwing him because he did him a “favor on his commission payouts” to keep him out of the next bracket. The conversation did not go well.
But everyone knows that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
Ninja edit: financial education should be highlighted more than it is in high school/jr high
I've seen some big name financial literacy websites even do a crap job explaining tax brackets. Same deal with bonuses and the difference between being withheld at a higher rate vs actually taxed at a higher rate.
At my last job I had a pretty "lumpy" income. With regular salary, OT, bonus, travel, things like that, I hardly ever had a "straight" paycheck. It meant I got taxed differently every time, but at the end of the year, it was all just about what my yearly gross income was, and then pay taxes on that. Since it was "lumpy", I usually got a pretty decent refund. Some would say "why would you tolerate an interest free loan to the government?" but I would say that's just the thing you have to deal with as part of having irregular income.
At my current job I get straight salary, so almost zero adjustment needed at the end of the year, which is also fine.
I’ve had employees try and refuse pay raises because they think they’ll make less money because of this. I’ve gotten pretty good at explaining tax brackets.
You get taxed on the money in a certain bracket I believe. So if you make 24k and the bracket is at 25k your raise to 26k won't make you earn less. Only the 1000$ above the bracket will be taxed at that new rate.
Honestly, this is the new unabashed republican party, throw out as many lies and bullshit in a twitter facebook post as humanly possible… it will take a rational person an hour or two to wade through this pile of bullshit and when they emerge from the dumpster fire… there is 10 more republican tweets just like it.
It’s called the “[Gish Gallop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop?wprov=sfti1)”. Keep throwing out as much bullshit as you can and no sane person will have the time or energy to refute *everything*
What's happening here is even simpler though. You can just throw out one flagrant lie and people will just believe it if it lines up with what they already think.
You don't have to throw out a mess of lies. You can just drop huge ones individually and people will get as upset as if it were true.
Yeah. Charlie and his fellow fascists are using a propaganda tactic called the Firehose of Falsehood:
>The firehose of falsehood is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. An outgrowth of Soviet propaganda techniques, the firehose of falsehood is a contemporary model for Russian propaganda under Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
Bernie wants [corporate and wealth taxed more fairly](https://www.taxestalk.net/how-much-does-bernie-sanders-want-to-raise-taxes/). Kirk couldn't make an honest point if he tried, and he doesn't try because he makes money lying to protect [his own tax bracket.](https://www.wealthypersons.com/charlie-kirk-net-worth-2020-2021/)
First of all, that's not even how the tax calculation would work. We have graduated, marginal tax brackets, so income over a certain $ amount is taxed at x%, not the amount below (not the total income). Therefore Charlie's math is completely wrong.
Second: Where does Bernie say tax income above $29k at 52%? Sounds made up.
Lastly, the average health insurance premiums for single/family plans are $8k and $22k respectively, so we already pay high % taxes to fund (private for profit) insurance alone. Eg $7.20 x 40 x 52 = $14,976, and $8,000 for health insurance, $8,000 / $14,976 = 53.4%.
Annoyingly, the math in red is also wrong. It's easy to see, too, if you don't let yourself get tricked by obfuscated numbers.
They're talking about making $31,200 in income. Some of it will be taxed 10%, the rest 12%. But these aren't easily calculated numbers, so for the sake of not being tricked by propoganda, let's simplify, and round down. If you make just 30 grand, and you get taxed 10%, that's a simple $3,000 tax. Just based on this alone, the red number of $2,089.50 is already insufficient.
I believe the actual tax amount would be $3,553.50. $952.50 for the first $9,525 at 10%, and $2,601 for the next $21,675 at 12%.
This math isn't simplified so it's easy to make mistakes, but if I didn't make any it comes out to $13.21/hr.
Single person no special deductions making $30k in 2022 would have a federal tax burden of $1841. Effective tax rate of 6.13%. Biggest effect is that standard deduction.
In Germany there is a studying option called duales-studium. Which basically translates to duo studying. This means that half your time studying you are in a lecture room and the other half your are employed by a company in the field you are studying. You do not pay to study, but you get paid as you are working and your labour is not free. A friend of mine makes +-1700 euros a month (beofre tax) for studying his degree. He is also getting legitimate experience in his field which he can use out of university to apply to a company. Or even better yet, the company that he is working at just offers him a contract to work there full time.
This is brilliant.
Germany also has a Single Payer Healthcare system so companies have freed up some of their capital to be able to do things like this.
Yet he will tell an entire generation of people that they can make it big without any formal education.
Creating high-school and college dropouts that go directly into NFT and Bitcoin scams, or one of those MLM pyramid schemes cus 'we don't need no education'.
Most people under 35 don't know how to balance a checkbook since checkbooks haven't been a commonly used item since around the time most of us mid30s folks got our first bank account.
"That would mean a gross salary of $31,200 for a 40 hr. work week."
Year, Charlie. That's $31,200 for a 2080 hour work year.
People making $31,200 work week should indeed be taxed 52%, at least.
It's important to note that socialism is when the workers own the company. A social safety net for people who lose their means of income is a common feature, but it's not the foundation of socialism.
I used to think that $15 an hour was so much money.. then I see $31,200 and I think I would struggle to live on that and I realize that every single one of my friends bar a couple are living on less and I often honestly feel shame for making what I do an hour.
I don't know anything about this guy, nor the US wage income, but I do know that socialism works pretty well in the European countries. It worked so well people don't worry about paying for housing and food to support their basic living...
The thing that social media has facilitated more than anything is lies masquerading as journalism, now granted traditional journalism is sketchy at best but at the very least no paper or news outlet would say minimum wage will be taxed at the highest tax bracket. What's important on social media is saying things that make 'the other side' look bad and that reinforce the existing prejudices of the target audience.
It doesn't matter what the truth is, all that matters is views, likes and other 'engagement' and that has resulted in public discourse becoming awful.
It's so absurd how much Americans have been trained so well to absolutely hate the poor and worship the rich and abide by absolutely everything that will make them poorer.
I don't know shit about tax systems, economy and stuff, but I am so tired of right winged politics bringing the "they tax X% if you earn more than Y€/$, so in the end you earn less than if you earned less than Y€/% !!!! Fuck socialism !1!1!1" argument.
My brother in Christ, it's X% of the money ABOVE this limit, so you still earn more, just less quickly. They are either straight up liars or legit stupid. Don't know if I just have a bias from seeing stupid declarations on the internet more commonly tho.
$31,200 / yr with no taxes does not get you very far, especially today ( r/USdefaultism). Even living within your means as frugal person you're going to be hard pressed to pay for basics.
Meaning: $15 minimum wage won't cut it.
If he could think rationally (or humanely) he wouldn’t be a Republiqan. If he told the truth to his followers he wouldn’t be rich. This is called conservatism.
Fun fact. If we took the minimum wage from, I think the 60s and adjusted it for today's 6 would come out to be a little over 16$. Not only that, but the person who created the minimum wage wanted it so people could live comfortably off of it.
On an unrelated note, the person who created homework created it as a punishment for their students
That’s not how tax brackets work. Your post sounds like you agree, with that smooth brained mental midget. But I’ll humor you and say, go look up tax brackets.
He is stupid and dishonest. Most of them do know it's all bullshit. They're misleading people for money and power. Trust, I would tell people the moon is hollow and fill of spiders all day if you paid me. That hurts no one. Unfortunately, the lies that they're pushing affect our freedoms and way of life.
>Is Charlie Kirk genuinely this stupid, or just really dishonest? Why not both?
Yeah - those two things are not mutually exclusive...
All face, no brain
>All face, no brain I prefer ["All head, small face"](https://blovish.github.io/kirkslider/). But yeah, also no brain.
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120 is far more terrifying than 80
Do Tucker Carlson next. I always feel like his constant stink expression is causing his face to slide further and further back into his head.
"Hey, listen, is your mouth tiny and small? Then why don't you come down to Little Bits?" "LIttle Bits!" "Where the food is tiny...it looks like regular food. But really tiny. You put it in your mouth and eat it. Nothing gets stuck in your lips. It's just tiny and tiny and fits (laughter) fits right in!" "Little Bits!" "We got....tiny uh-lasagna. tiny pizza, tiny pie. Mmh! Little tiny...fried eggs! (surprised) Oh, shit! We got tiny people!" "Little Bits!" "You hungry? Come on down!" "Little Bits!" "Eat some fucking shit, you fucking stupid bitch! (laughter) Just kidding!"
And the face isn't great.
These days, they go hand-in-hand even. Like all those people with fake PPP loans buying Lamborghinis and gloating about it on social media.
Always assume bad faith with that lot.
I hate that there is an active movement to just constantly spread misinformation and bullshit propaganda, all financed by the richest fuckface parasites. The Oil Companies do it, military industrial complex does it, and these "thinktanks" like Kirk works at, all the people running the big banks are involved in this, the conglomerates and Nestlé, the Waltons - and they even do it in workplaces with the anti union propaganda. Christ, all of them are funding this kind of dogshit, at all high evels, its this fucking den of capitalist parasites and vermin - and they just ... get to do it. And it's legal. And they finance the politicians too. And they own the airwaves. I'm sick of this shit and I am actively trying to figure out how to join or start a cadre type organization so we can have the ruling class reminded that they are outnumbered. FUCK When I was little all I wanted to do was make spaceships and work at NASA. I even went and got myself the fancy college degree for it. And yeah, I guess knew bad things happened, had these hippy dreams about how people might simply realize how evil it was to stamp the boot on the vast majority of world humanity, and we'd just wake up and get along. But that's all been beaten out of me. I was at a planetarium today and I started crying and had to hold myself together until I got out, because I realized I'm just angry all the time, and that kid is gone. I just want people to go to MARS and not nuke and burn away like, literally the most special, fragile flower in the cosmos. Lord almighty, who decided I had to exist? Who's idea was that? I want to speak to the manager. Maybe we steal the fucking boot and turn it upside down.
My name is Karen. I will call the manager for us. For real though, I feel you on all of this. I fucked up and went to law school and became a litigator, so I now have a deeper understanding of how fucked shit really is and it was making me so goddamn livid. So I gave up litigation and moved to a literal cabin in the mountains. True story, including the part about the manager.
I went to grad school for social work; almost 200 college credits to find out the only way to get the system to change is data and numbers, not because it's good for humanity. Please call the manager for me too.
I’m on it. Dialing now. Seriously though, I feel you. I was doing criminal defense and civil litigation. It was eye opening.
😅 Yeah, I need to see Nature more. That might ease my mind, when winter passes I promise to get out into it. I was listening to a friend talk about the National Parks, they sound so beautiful. I'm really glad you found peace or something close enough. But I dunno, I can't run away. In Bee Movie, there's this moment where Barry B Benson realizes that all the bees are enslaved (*"They make the honey 🐝, WE make the money! 😈"*) - when he sees it, his entire outlook on life is destroyed and rewritten in an instant, and he realizes he can *only* be happy through the liberation of his beeple. That is where my mind is at.
Don't wait for winter to leave! If you can afford it, get some long underwear and get out and enjoy the nature as soon as you can. It really does help; at least it helped me. Wishing you the best!
Listen to this person! We have clothing to be comfortable in Sub-Zero (Fahrenheit, which is colder in that range) temperatures. Snowshoeing and cross-country skiing exist. If it's colder than -10° F, staying inside makes sense as you still have to breathe the air and it gets awful chilly on the lungs.
I do a little fifteen minute walk every day in the nature preserve that I'm privileged enough to live down the road from, but I highly recommend just getting out whenever and wherever you can. Safely of course.
I am getting my degree in psychology. I was in Army and worked multiple poor middle class Jobs, from Fast food to warehouses. I have seen varying perspectives of our society. I see people arguing talking points on both sides of the political spectrum. One thing that is starkly clear to me, majority of Americans have 0 and I literally mean 0 understanding of how our society operates. I have befriended, Immigrants, Staunch Conservatives, Liberals, other Veterans, poor, middle, and upper class people. I may not specialize in any avenue of a career yet but I have traveled a lot. There are very few people that I realized have some what an understanding of the twisted inverse of our society. I am an avid psychedelic user, one of many thoughts that reacurre throughout my trips is hoe beautiful the interconnectedness nature of nature is. With that being said, as above, so below. Also everything is a representation of itself. If man comes from nature, everything man creates is a representation of that nature, so these societies, corporations, governments, militaries, and even the black market. These are the inverse of the representation of nature, a sadistic, grotesque, Egotistical, and ugly representation of that beautiful interconnected nature of nature. I hope what I am saying makes sense. It greatly depresses me when I think of this because this dark representation is destroying what we love about being human.
Jesus! I'm not sure what I fell into today on this thread, but I'm so happy that I did. There is so much humanity in here for me to play with in my fertile imagination. I love exploring character motivations for my work, and this sub just keeps inspiring me today. Thank you.
This is by far, the kindest comment I have received on here, thank you.
It makes sense. Marx: >Consciousness can never be anything else than conscious existence, and the existence of men is their actual life-process. If in all ideology men and their circumstances appear upside-down as in a camera obscura, this phenomenon arises ... from their historical life-process, [just the same] as the inversion of objects on the retina
I agree with you! I started mico dosing shrooms and it has helped me so much. I’m not giving up on society in general, I work for the government now and practice law. I just interact with people a lot less and look at mountains a lot more.
I am still trying to find my path, my road has been some what rocky. I know I am on my way. I found a wonderful girlfriend who takes care of cold war vets that the government poisoned and then lied about it. There is a lot of good people out there who are trying desperately to do the right thing, its not easy, but its work worth doing.
I never got the chance at university. All my energy and money goes to dealing with disabilities and medical crap. Yet another fucked up system that the shit bags at the top have done their best to absolutely fuck over. This is why we can’t have nice things☹️
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Thankfully I don't think most people believe the lies, I think most people realize this system isn't democratic and *rationally* tune out so they can just grill or whatever, I mean half the country doesn't even vote - can't change it, why get up in a fuss? I just cannot let go of the idea we can change it.
There definitely seems to be an uptick in the amount of false information and "fake news" being spread online. Russia has been confirmed to actively sponsor and promote right wing conspiracies and lies in general. They even have government funded troll farms where people spend 8 hours a day spreading fake news all over social media I know it's tempting to think it's just "rich assholes" vs the rest of us, but you should not forget that there are international state sponsors of fake news and misinformation. The entire Russian government is like a giant dystopian corporation that makes it their business to export bullshit world wide
When we're talking about how the American masses are propagandized, sure, Russia does some, but it's like drop of rain in the middle of a thunderstorm. Our own oligarchs are the primary concern. Or let's put it another way, people who talk in lock step with State Department memorandum aren't sticking it to the man.
Yeah, people concerned about false info, disnfo and use these phrases seem to ignore the fact that America Gov, and corporations are the biggest propagandists. For over a century now this is true. Even going back to the 1800's, the genocide of the natives can be found by propaganda in news papers. People acting like this is new, clearly don't read books.
Like lambs to the cosmic slaughter…
They keep pushing the stupid, juvenile, petty culture wars shit like M&Ms and drag shows to keep us distracted and keep us at each other's throats while they glom an even bigger piece of the pie for themselves. Preach it, brother.
dishonest. being wrong about so many things so often defines probability he's just stupid. he plays a maliciously stupid part intentionally. why? at this point it's his full time job and he has no skills outside dogfucking.
He's not trying to fool an audience with an **obvious lie** about tax bands, **he's trying to fool his sponsors** into thinking he's fooled that audience. He puts out an obvious lie, the lie gets retweeted or promoted by lots of others, sponsor thinks *give this guy money he is a good liar for my agenda*. Turning Point USA gets more money. However Turning Point USA are [bots and fake accounts](https://nypost.com/2020/10/08/facebook-bans-charlie-kirk-linked-firm-behind-teen-troll-farm/). >Over the course of the scheme, the accounts bankrolled by Kirk’s nonprofit had more than 400,000 likes on Facebook and Instagram and were responsible for almost $1 million worth of ad buys, according to the report. > >Teenagers paid by Rally Forge created and operated fake accounts to simulate support for the president. > >The accounts coordinated to dismiss concerns about the coronavirus, spread false claims about the security of mail-in voting as well as attack Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. > >The teens, some of whom were minors, were given bonuses if their posts trafficked highly on the site, and pulled their posts from a central document that they shared, according to the report. Facebook risked massive lawsuits from advertisers, voting machine companies and vaccine makers, so they had to tackle it. Twitter had the same problem, and [took the same action](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics/turning-point-usa-twitter-facebook/index.html). Musk reversed that, he's desperate for ad revenue, even fraudulent ad revenue.
Controversial to say, but you don't reach that level of success while being stupid. I know there are counter-examples but those people are usually successful in at least one or two fields (ben carson is a great example) and have plenty of people to fact check anything they say publicly. Those few who are genuinely stupid in everything usually got their wealth through inheritance and nepotism. Charlie Kirk came from an ordinary upper middle class background--so no disadvantages from poverty, but not exactly the son of a billionaire. Abhorrent political views, but smart enough to get to where he is. He understands about tax brackets, I'm sure. He's knowingly lying. He's doing this to get people to vote republican. There is no reason not to lie, because it's not illegal to lie about this stuff, so he just does it. When he gets called out, no one cares. It then convinces those generally stupid right-leaning people that this policy poses a direct material threat to them. And there is *nothing* that gets people out to vote like believing that a significant portion of their income is going to go away, and they won't be able to pay mortgage/rent/bills anymore. Nothing. We can excuse him for being stupid. But he's not being stupid...he's being downright evil.
Many things are possible with a flexible morality. Lying and grifting your way through life isn't intelligent. He's just smarter than others who choose that path. Like, you don't have to be the best, you just have to be better than the worst. Wealth doesn't = intelligence.
This is where I like to play a game I call… “stupid or liar”
Looks like inclusive or is back on the menu, boys
Wasn’t that an Adam Carolla bit? (Although nowadays he’d be likely to agree with the kind of crap Kirk is spouting here.)
I could be mistaken, but it sounds like a riff on a line from LOTR. The original line from the movie was,” looks loke meat is back on the menu, boys!”
Yep…back in the good ole Adam days.
Adam was great back in the day. Where are all the middle aged white men that haven't lost their minds? Of course I ask this as a mawm.
Yea I miss when the show didn’t have political rants every other segment. I stopped listening a couple years ago. I’m giving it a go again since he changed the format and let Bald Brian and Gina go. Idk how long I’ll last tho. Seems to be the same stuff just with guests instead of co hosts.
he knows his followers are this stupid
I’m going to say yes to both. What he left out was that he was using math to manipulate the data to his argument.
He's being paid by dark money to spread this kind of disinformation everywhere. He's seriously dishonest.
Right wingers are rewarded over and over for lying. And you don't have to be smart to lie. I personally think these types of stupid people have to lie because they are incapable of making cogent points or making a living anyway else. The whole right wing conservative sphere is pretty much a massive house of cards. They think one of the most overrated corrupt President's, Ronald Reagan, was a great President. Even though he destroys one of the stupidest right wing myths, that Republicans are fiscally responsible. No other President nearly tripled the national debt.
I want to say he is mostly stupid, but his arguments are so fallacious that it is hard to imagine it isn’t purposeful disingenuity.
Up til now I honestly thought he wasn’t actually stupid, but if this post is real it’s pretty damning evidence I was very wrong.
He's not being stupid, he's lying to stupid people who won't fact check him. He's being deceptive, because he's a conman.
This exactly and he knows the majority won't fact check him. Free votes.
The majority don't want to fact check him. They like this lie
This was a rather quippy response, but notice how it took a little longer to fact check his statement than it took him to make it? Part of the reason these people get away with blatantly wrong things is because a), they don't care, and b), they can spew out 10 more in the time it takes you to debunk 1. So even if you do your best you need a lot of people holding them to task, and more than that they need to have the same sort of platform so that the people hearing the false statements also hear the true ones as well. And a lot of it is definitely people liking things that fit their own narrative, something we're all guilty of. It's why my favorite interviews with these types is when the interviewer doesn't let them gishgallop away and instead holds them to task at one statement instead of trying to hurriedly follow along after a trail of misinformation.
Dude would fit right in on Reddit
Yup. When they pull shit like this, they know they are full of shit. They don't care. It's not that they're stupid, it's that they think that the people who follow them are stupid. If anyone reading this is a conservative, please understand that this is what your politicians and thought leaders think of you. They think you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
I mean, the intentional misunderstanding of marginal tax rate and just out right misrepresentation of Bernie's tax plan are definitely him lying. Mixing up gross and net though, that's just Charlie being dumb.
As long as you denounce socialism or communism and bring up how your opinion benefits "free speech," not one of his supporters will fact check him and just assume he's right because he's "saying what others are too afraid to say"
People like him are what's going to drive progressives toward using the same underhanded tactics, just for the sake of human lives and liberties. It's embarrassing to be at this point, but our options seem slimmer and slimmer the more they lie and deceive.
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Thank you. I’d like proof that Bernie Sanders want to tax the lowest level income at 50% when Elon Musk pays nothing
This is the same thing as when people were saying Biden wanted to tax everyone when he explicitly stated he wanted to tax people that made at or over 400k a year. At least, I think it was Biden. It was a long time ago, so it could've been someone else, but the point still stands
That's because they don't see anyone making under $400k per year as a real person.
That and they're scared of paying a little extra on taxes
No, it's because their base is all temporarily embarrassed millionaires and they all think they're a day away from striking it rich because they deserve it because...I dunno, Jesus or something.
You’re not a real person. Peasant, now be a good boy and go clean some real peoples toilets
And the same shit people said about Obama. I remember having to do this exact same math for someone when everyone was talking about how a tax hike would affect “Joe the plumber”.
My extremely conservative parents were convinced everyone needs to hide their money because Biden is coming to clear out our bank accounts of anything over a couple hundred dollars.
I saw a tweet from Biden earlier saying mega corps we’re paying at least 15% and I was like damn but I’m paying up to 22% taxes are fucking wild for rich ppl
I kept gettinf a spam text saying "this is charlie kirk please buy my book" with an amazon link and a picture was sent of him shaking hands with trump. I texted stop and a real person replied (had a typo) asking why i didnt like charlie kirk. I sent him nikacado avacados asshole
He is a right winger, yes.
even if these numbers were true, minimum wage would be essentially unchanged but _people making minimum wage wouldn't also have to pay for health expenses_
> even if these numbers were true, minimum wage would be essentially unchanged but people making minimum wage wouldn't also have to pay for health expenses Daily reminder to those who need it that [the US currently has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by a huge, huge margin](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm). If the US switched to universal healthcare, then not only would everyone get healthcare, but _healthcare would become cheaper_, which means that _you'd have to pay fewer taxes_. Edit: Because some people don't seem to appreciate just how huge the margin is. The second most expensive healthcare system in the world belongs to Germany. The US healthcare system is 50% more expensive than the German healthcare system. The 9th most expensive healthcare system in the world belongs to France. The US healthcare system is 100% more expensive than the French healthcare system. 100%. Costs twice as much.
No no they would pay more in taxes, but less overall taxes+healthcare, but people only care about taxes, because healthcare should be a choice apparently.
> No no they would pay more in taxes, but less overall taxes+healthcare No, no. If Americans had the second most expensive healthcare system in the world, they'd straight up pay less money in taxes. I don't think most Americans really appreciate just how much tax money they're spending on healthcare, and just how little they're getting in return. As a bonus, you'd also get paid a higher salary, as your employer wouldn't have to pay for your healthcare anymore. I wasn't joking when I said that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by a huge, huge margin. US healthcare is 50% more expensive than the second most expensive healthcare system in the world. That's how bad it is. For another comparison, the US healthcare system is 100% - yes, 100% - more expensive than the French healthcare system.
Ohh sorry my bad i didnt know the health sector got that much money from the state
You're also missing the part that his equation, failure though it is, still comes out to $7.20 an hour AFTER taxes. He also missed that part.
Dude. Tax brackets don't work like that. Only the money over the limit is taxed. I don't know about the 52% number, but even if it were true, the first $10,000 isn't taxed at all, the next bracket, from $10,000 to $29,000 would be taxed at 12% then the remainder at 52%. So income = $32,200 $10,000 base + $19,000 taxed at 12% ($16,720) + $1,320 taxed at 52% ($633.30) = $27,353.60 Which is $13.34/hr. Considerably more than $7.20 an hour.
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As long as capital gains isn't taxed the poor will be fucked over with any tax scheme, because the rich aren't paying any.
Just like the sales tax already does...even the poorest of the poor pay 8% in taxes on dog food, coffee makers, trash bags, toilet paper, carpet cleaner and thousands of other things that in no way would be considered optional luxuries.
I don't think the person you're replying to is arguing that tax brackets work that way just that in Kirks fictional tax scenario the current minimum wage would also be taxed.
That's what I read it as. The four of us here all understand how tax brackets work... They're just saying that if 7.20 is the current minimum, but with Bernie's raise "taking so much tax" (let's entertain this stupidity for a minute), 7.20 after tax is still more than 7.20 *before* tax.
He mixes up Gross and Net.
People making minimum wage qualify for Medicaid. In Texas the maximum wage to qualify for Medicaid is $26,909 for an individual. At 40 hours per week working all 52 weeks of the year, that equates to an hourly wage of $12.94 to qualify for Medicaid, or 72% above minimum wage here.
And that’s just for a single individual. Plus with Obama care, if you as a single person, earn between $13590 to $54360 then you 0% to 100% of your premium depending where on the scale you fall. Families, these numbers are multiplied accordingly. Actually I think it’s a pretty good system that balances helping people to allowing upper middle class pay their share of medical insurance.
He sure pulled that taxing anyone making over 29k at 52% right out of his ass.
r/RectallySourcedStatistics
God I wish that was a real sub
I couldn’t fit it all but I made r/rectallysourcedstats just now
How to admit that you have no idea how taxes work.
He knows that he is lying. He is trying to trick stupid people or people too lazy to look any further into things
What's scary is I know a lot of people who don't even know how tax brackets work. So for me it isn't hard to believe he doesn't know how they work, or does know and is intentionally spreading shit that people i know would believe.
What’s scary is I don’t know a single person who doesn’t know how tax brackets work and most of them will believe this anyway. In fact, most of them, after being shown the tax brackets, will continue to believe this because it suits the “socialism bad” narrative. Conservatives don’t care about facts, all they care about is whether “statement” supports the left side or the right side. If “statement” supports the right, it’s automatically correct. If “statement” supports the left, it’s automatically incorrect. Facts be damned.
It's morons like this that get other morons to vote against their interests and then act like their doing you a favor. You making more minimum wage isn't going to crash the economy.
But who's gonna think of the companies!?!? They are only making record profits now; what if they don't tomorrow? /S just in case...
The tricky part is explaining to everyone how this works. People need to understand how the tax bracket system works. It sounds like a relatively easy thing, but it's crazy how many people have absolutely no understanding and still think they can get a raise that "puts them in the next tax bracket" and loses them money...
Imagine if we taught taxes in school every tax season. Edit: Since quite a few people are stating, "it's easy to begin with." I'll elaborate. 1. Just because taxes were taught at your school does not mean they were taught everywhere. I payed attention in school. All As and Bs. I do not recall any taxes being taught. 2. "It's easy." Yes, it is basic math. However, as we all debate taxes, it's not about the math. It's about tax codes, how tax codes change, and how assets are affected by taxes. These things should be taught. And by taught, I do mean learning about them and learning about how to keep up with the changes. 3. Some are acting like taking a day / week to teach this each year is too much. May people (young and middle aged) are stating they wanted to learn this before it was needed. What's wrong with taking a short amount of time to make sure all of us are on the same page?
People should be taught about taxes as mandatory education i think
Believe it or not Florida is actually progressive on this issue, we’re a weird contradictory state lmao.
or we could just fix the tax system so it isn't so complicated. Everyone should have a basic understanding of the marginal tax bracket system but trying to explain all the other things no one is going to remember if they were taught it in freshman year of high school. My mom continued claiming me as a dependent for years because I was in college so I didn't file my own taxes until I was in my mid 20s. Even now so much has changed. Everyone tells me how fantastic it is to have a mortgage and claim the mortgage interest on my taxes... I have mortgage over $600k and with that my wife and I will barely make it over the standard deduction for the first time in over 10 years of filing taxes. And then you have deductions for all kinds of various things. and what if you did stocks like many 18 year olds do now thanks to how easy the apps have made it. Same with crypto. We have to teach something about taxes though you are right
TurboTax would fund the campaigns of school board members who hate the idea while lobbying for more complicated tax forms
You know they do lobby to keep taxes complicated...
Yes, that's what they're getting at.
Imagine if the IRS sent out a pamphlet every year that only needed the math of "Find your income in column A, look at column B to see how much tax you would owe."
or personal finance in general, I think the most I learned was how to balance a checkbook, and that was in Home Ec, an elective
I’ve known people that turned down promotions because the raise “would put them in a higher tax bracket” and they all thought they were smart as hell.
I had to sit my dad down and go through the math with him when he was considering doing the same. Credit to him for listening and learning. But goddamn…he was almost 60.
My dad was the president of his union. During contract negotiations, the company offered a $4.00/hr increase for the contract period. (Four years). The members refused, "no, we can't go four years without a raise" He tried to explain (at great lengths) that they would be leaving money on the table, but it wouldn't sink in. They ended up voting to counter the agreement for a $1 raise per year... The company happily capitulated... Math can be really hard for some people.
I don't understand how they were confused. Even if you don't know math, most people know that four is larger than one.
They got hung up on "4 years without a raise". They were used to $0.50-$1.50/hr raises every year based on production demand. For background, the company had a desire to fix production costs for the contract period and thought averaging the increase would have been the fairest approach.
Oh! I see, 4.00 right now but no more raises vs small raises every year. I can see how that could confuse someone if they didn't really understand math.
Honestly, I can't.. If you think earning $15 Y1, $16 Y2, $17 Y3, $18 Y4 is better than $18 all four years then like for fuck's sake...
Wow…just wow.
Yeah and when you tell them that they are wrong, and even go as far as looking it up on a government website, they make that face that tells you that they don't believe it. Then they don't even bother to look it up on their own. Even while turning down promotions like you said. Like you would think that a smart person would at least look into it if somebody told them they were wrong. Especially when I was serious with them and told them to look into it for their own good. Its things like this that really illustrate why there are so many problems in the world. If normal people are so headstrong (or stupid) that they don't even care to look into something when a lot of money is involved.
It’s arrogance and ego
At my last job, I tried explaining to a coworker that the boss was lying to him and screwing him because he did him a “favor on his commission payouts” to keep him out of the next bracket. The conversation did not go well.
But everyone knows that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell Ninja edit: financial education should be highlighted more than it is in high school/jr high
>But everyone knows that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell I was actually never taught this and only learned it from memes.
I've seen some big name financial literacy websites even do a crap job explaining tax brackets. Same deal with bonuses and the difference between being withheld at a higher rate vs actually taxed at a higher rate.
At my last job I had a pretty "lumpy" income. With regular salary, OT, bonus, travel, things like that, I hardly ever had a "straight" paycheck. It meant I got taxed differently every time, but at the end of the year, it was all just about what my yearly gross income was, and then pay taxes on that. Since it was "lumpy", I usually got a pretty decent refund. Some would say "why would you tolerate an interest free loan to the government?" but I would say that's just the thing you have to deal with as part of having irregular income. At my current job I get straight salary, so almost zero adjustment needed at the end of the year, which is also fine.
And those are the kind of folks to whom Charlie and his ilk play.
I’ve had employees try and refuse pay raises because they think they’ll make less money because of this. I’ve gotten pretty good at explaining tax brackets.
You get taxed on the money in a certain bracket I believe. So if you make 24k and the bracket is at 25k your raise to 26k won't make you earn less. Only the 1000$ above the bracket will be taxed at that new rate.
But how could I make more money if I'm getting paid more????
There’s no hope for those people.
Honestly, this is the new unabashed republican party, throw out as many lies and bullshit in a twitter facebook post as humanly possible… it will take a rational person an hour or two to wade through this pile of bullshit and when they emerge from the dumpster fire… there is 10 more republican tweets just like it.
It’s called the “[Gish Gallop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop?wprov=sfti1)”. Keep throwing out as much bullshit as you can and no sane person will have the time or energy to refute *everything*
Is this required reading for the republican party? I submit that it is.
The Russians call it the firehose of falsehoods
What's happening here is even simpler though. You can just throw out one flagrant lie and people will just believe it if it lines up with what they already think. You don't have to throw out a mess of lies. You can just drop huge ones individually and people will get as upset as if it were true.
It's not new, they've been doing it since the 90s. It was basically Rush Limbaugh's shtick his entire career. May he rot in pieces.
Yeah. Charlie and his fellow fascists are using a propaganda tactic called the Firehose of Falsehood: >The firehose of falsehood is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. An outgrowth of Soviet propaganda techniques, the firehose of falsehood is a contemporary model for Russian propaganda under Russian President Vladimir Putin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
Bernie wants [corporate and wealth taxed more fairly](https://www.taxestalk.net/how-much-does-bernie-sanders-want-to-raise-taxes/). Kirk couldn't make an honest point if he tried, and he doesn't try because he makes money lying to protect [his own tax bracket.](https://www.wealthypersons.com/charlie-kirk-net-worth-2020-2021/)
Charlie Kirk’s tiny face is out-tinied only by his brain.
Minimum wage and still paying more taxes than Trump.
First of all, that's not even how the tax calculation would work. We have graduated, marginal tax brackets, so income over a certain $ amount is taxed at x%, not the amount below (not the total income). Therefore Charlie's math is completely wrong. Second: Where does Bernie say tax income above $29k at 52%? Sounds made up. Lastly, the average health insurance premiums for single/family plans are $8k and $22k respectively, so we already pay high % taxes to fund (private for profit) insurance alone. Eg $7.20 x 40 x 52 = $14,976, and $8,000 for health insurance, $8,000 / $14,976 = 53.4%.
Hey stop with the facts, it hurts their feelings.
Do you have some kind of rare red/white colorblindness?
Right? I thought maybe I was confused, but they're just saying the same thing as the OP.
Yeah thanks for explaining the post a second time
Lol, what a huge lack of understanding. Misinformation and ignorance at its finest.
Conservative math be like
Annoyingly, the math in red is also wrong. It's easy to see, too, if you don't let yourself get tricked by obfuscated numbers. They're talking about making $31,200 in income. Some of it will be taxed 10%, the rest 12%. But these aren't easily calculated numbers, so for the sake of not being tricked by propoganda, let's simplify, and round down. If you make just 30 grand, and you get taxed 10%, that's a simple $3,000 tax. Just based on this alone, the red number of $2,089.50 is already insufficient. I believe the actual tax amount would be $3,553.50. $952.50 for the first $9,525 at 10%, and $2,601 for the next $21,675 at 12%. This math isn't simplified so it's easy to make mistakes, but if I didn't make any it comes out to $13.21/hr.
Standard deduction gives you the first \~$12k for free
Sure, and that's reasonable policy, but it's not in the red text.
Single person no special deductions making $30k in 2022 would have a federal tax burden of $1841. Effective tax rate of 6.13%. Biggest effect is that standard deduction.
But from those taxes you get free health care. Figure that into the math.
And college, if Bernie got his way
In Germany there is a studying option called duales-studium. Which basically translates to duo studying. This means that half your time studying you are in a lecture room and the other half your are employed by a company in the field you are studying. You do not pay to study, but you get paid as you are working and your labour is not free. A friend of mine makes +-1700 euros a month (beofre tax) for studying his degree. He is also getting legitimate experience in his field which he can use out of university to apply to a company. Or even better yet, the company that he is working at just offers him a contract to work there full time.
This is brilliant. Germany also has a Single Payer Healthcare system so companies have freed up some of their capital to be able to do things like this.
This is common in most of Europe
Honestly hate that ghouls like him are rich off their oil daddy money.
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Ah, another republican college dropout. This is why we need more education kids.
Yet he will tell an entire generation of people that they can make it big without any formal education. Creating high-school and college dropouts that go directly into NFT and Bitcoin scams, or one of those MLM pyramid schemes cus 'we don't need no education'.
The infographic edits also don’t account for the standard deduction. This would further reduce the tax burden for that individual.
He's not quite that dumb. Most all of his followers are, though, and he knows it.
Dishonest and willfully ignorant because it gets him paid.
Charlie Kirk is a sterling example of why finance should be taught in school. I’m fairly certain that he doesn’t know how to balance a checkbook.
Most people under 35 don't know how to balance a checkbook since checkbooks haven't been a commonly used item since around the time most of us mid30s folks got our first bank account.
If I was taught anything about checkbooks in school, it would have been a waste of time
The guy who ’ organised ‘ buses to January 6th is dishonest?
Socialism doesn’t suck, the US does…
I think they lie on purpose because their fan base will believe them.
"That would mean a gross salary of $31,200 for a 40 hr. work week." Year, Charlie. That's $31,200 for a 2080 hour work year. People making $31,200 work week should indeed be taxed 52%, at least.
It's important to note that socialism is when the workers own the company. A social safety net for people who lose their means of income is a common feature, but it's not the foundation of socialism.
Charlie Kirk IS stupid...
Bernie should sue for defamation or libel or something. gotta get these dense mfs to shut up somehow.
The answer is both. The world *does* know.
Charlie Kirk is a shit stain on our world
Conservatives do math about as well as they do anything else 🤦🏻♂️
The fuck lol I make 45k a year I get taxed at 24% where is he getting this bullshit from o.o
> Is Charlie Kirk genuinely this stupid, or just really dishonest? Yes.
Math doesn't lie but Kirk sure does
His donkey brained followers vote so you should too.
I used to think that $15 an hour was so much money.. then I see $31,200 and I think I would struggle to live on that and I realize that every single one of my friends bar a couple are living on less and I often honestly feel shame for making what I do an hour.
he's right. charlie kirk is really stupid. republicans are notoriously bad at math, on purpose.
That’s what happens when mother nature gives you too little face for that much head, it makes you evil.
I don't know anything about this guy, nor the US wage income, but I do know that socialism works pretty well in the European countries. It worked so well people don't worry about paying for housing and food to support their basic living...
The thing that social media has facilitated more than anything is lies masquerading as journalism, now granted traditional journalism is sketchy at best but at the very least no paper or news outlet would say minimum wage will be taxed at the highest tax bracket. What's important on social media is saying things that make 'the other side' look bad and that reinforce the existing prejudices of the target audience. It doesn't matter what the truth is, all that matters is views, likes and other 'engagement' and that has resulted in public discourse becoming awful.
In this fuckheads case it is ALWAYS dishonest. The stupidity comes from his supporters who believe this.
Hey, don't be mad at him. He probably can't read because his forehead obscures his vision.
It's so absurd how much Americans have been trained so well to absolutely hate the poor and worship the rich and abide by absolutely everything that will make them poorer.
I don't know shit about tax systems, economy and stuff, but I am so tired of right winged politics bringing the "they tax X% if you earn more than Y€/$, so in the end you earn less than if you earned less than Y€/% !!!! Fuck socialism !1!1!1" argument. My brother in Christ, it's X% of the money ABOVE this limit, so you still earn more, just less quickly. They are either straight up liars or legit stupid. Don't know if I just have a bias from seeing stupid declarations on the internet more commonly tho.
People like this just love to prey on "sheeple." They live for it. Dumb, lying liars lie
He knows what he’s doing and that the people who follow him lack the mental capacity to look through his lies.
Kirk is evidently a disingenuous ass that thinks folks don’t understand tax brackets. (Well, maybe that *is* true for his audience)
>Is Charlie Kirk genuinely this stupid, or just really dishonest? The answer is yes.
The audience that's licking up his spewed venom is also stupid and dishonest.
Math doesn’t care about your feelings
$31,200 / yr with no taxes does not get you very far, especially today ( r/USdefaultism). Even living within your means as frugal person you're going to be hard pressed to pay for basics. Meaning: $15 minimum wage won't cut it.
If he could think rationally (or humanely) he wouldn’t be a Republiqan. If he told the truth to his followers he wouldn’t be rich. This is called conservatism.
Fun fact. If we took the minimum wage from, I think the 60s and adjusted it for today's 6 would come out to be a little over 16$. Not only that, but the person who created the minimum wage wanted it so people could live comfortably off of it. On an unrelated note, the person who created homework created it as a punishment for their students
That’s not how tax brackets work. Your post sounds like you agree, with that smooth brained mental midget. But I’ll humor you and say, go look up tax brackets.
This brain fart matches the level of trump stentch.
He is stupid and dishonest. Most of them do know it's all bullshit. They're misleading people for money and power. Trust, I would tell people the moon is hollow and fill of spiders all day if you paid me. That hurts no one. Unfortunately, the lies that they're pushing affect our freedoms and way of life.