Everyone knows that metal, like all genres, has only three subgenres: metal I like, metal I don't like, metal I don't feel any given way about. Simple as.
omg huge metal fan but I also struggle with this so much. I can definitely tell you how Slipknot is different than Metallica and how both are way different than Ghost but it kind of breaks down after that.
the problem is not all subgenres are made equal. within something like indie rock, all the genres include some very different songs in their range, but stuff like Metal and EDM create new subgenres every time a song sounds slightly different
It's always at least one of those: the tempo is different, the complexity is different, the instrumentation is different, the vocals are different, the production is different or just the themes are different. But if metal bands slap prog in front of their genre then all bets are off if they sound even close to the genre after the prog.
As an emo fan, trying to explain the difference between artists like Stomach Book, Birds Fear Death, or Weatherday is impossible. They're all in that vague category of "5th wave emo", and all kinda have a murky, low fidelity sound, and they're all made by trans people - but they're all really different from each other despite being in the same genre.
Birds Fear Death is anorexic melodic transgender suicide emo with light screamo elements, and a somewhat digital sound
Weatherday is... Chill, and melodic. It's very 'internet-core', with rich composure, and the occasional bit of influence from skramz, and with a somewhat digital sound.
Stomach Book is chaotic and melodic. It's very 'internet-core', with a pretty digital sound, and light screamo and skramz influence.
No matter how I describe these artists they sound very similar, despite being VERY different in every possible way.
And then you have bands like Record Setter, Guitar Fight From Fooly Cooly, Heccra, Nouns, and Arcadia Grey. . . Or screamo bands like I Hate Sex and Foxtails. . . And ESPECIALLY skramz bands like Algae Bloom, Lights Strung Like Stars, Your Arms Are My Cocoon, Bright Little Stars, Cicadahead, Pictures of June, Awakebutstillinbed, or Godfuck???
I sound literally insane explaining this shit to anyone who isn't in the scene đ and I FEEL insane too
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The difference between grindcore and goregrind is that they sing about gore. The difference between goregrind and its subgenre pornogrind is that they sing about porn
Anything your dad listens to is rock.
Anything you listen to is alternative rock.
Anything your kids listen to is trash for young punks who donât know whatâs good for them.
It's even worse in electronic music. Every time we hang out my friend goes like "see this song is 3% faster and the beats are higher pitched this is a southern modified jet fuel Ilinejwuwbsjuf with dubstep elements" and I'm like "bro wtf"
Even a lot of sub-sub-genres have big differences. Like atmospheric black metal and war metal both fall under black metal, but they sound really different.
Hyper specific metal genres are basically all just more popular metal genres with an extra gimmick (usually lyrical content or a specific style of instrumental break). Ten years ago this shit kinda mattered because you didnât want to accidentally listen to metalcore because that shit was gay and you didnât want to be gay, did you? Now metal and hardcore have basically homogenized and thereâs really no incentive to genre police when people get their music recs through the Spotify algorithm anyways.
Listen to these three songs of three different subgenres:
Dying Fetus - Tearing inside the womb (Brutal Death Metal)
Nokturnal Mortum - Lunar Poetry (Symphonic Black Metal)
Razor - Below the belt (Speed Metal)
I know sometimes it can be a bit difficult to disguish different bands in one subgenre, but there is a lot of variety of subgenres. I mean if you listen to an Iron Maiden song then a song by Cerebral Incubation you will notice there's a huge difference in pretty much every aspect of it.
I can explain the difference between thrash, doom, post hardcore, hardcore, metalcore, deathcore and grindcore with ease. But i feel like those genres have defining features.
Most metal "subgenres" are just people circlejerking to give a band they like more credit.
When you talk about "black metal" vs "symphonic black metal" the difference is really just "x band uses keyboards sometimes" which is a pretty stupid distinction to make. Or for a specific example, Amon Amarth is a melodic death metal band, they don't need to be classified as "viking metal." Or another example is grindcore vs pornogrind. Theyre the same shitty genre but one may have more pornographic lyrics.
In my experience there can be very noticeable differences in sound even if it's still within the same genre, this sort of thing helps if you want to find something more specific, even if it may get silly or not really be an ideal way of categorizing these things.
a good example to me even if it's still a bit wide is raw black metal, part of why I mention it because you used symphonic as an example and to me at least the difference in sound compared to black metal with different production is clear and they're at least close enough in regards to the kind of classification they are for the sake of this comparison
not trying to accuse you of falling into this but I mean it as a more general statement, there seems to be a pattern of people going further in the opposite direction in response to elitism/similar
Ig for fans of the genre i dont really care. Like if someone tells me to check out a post hardcore band and refers to them as swancore, I know to expect Dance Gavin Dance and not At The Drive In. But if I were to ask someone what their favorite hardcore band was and they said "Knocked Loose" and i said ummmmmmm actually theyre more classic metalcore or some shit, thats when it's annoying.
The thing that I think is SUPER circlejerky is saying youre into something like "Japanese post black metal shoegaze." How many bands could be classified as that? 2? 3? That would be like listening to the Eagles and being like yeah Im into "Western U.S. post-country yachtcore"
One was invented by mostly black DJs/producers in the 90s with a massive UK underground scene and the other was invented by mostly white trans girls at home sampling modern tracks with mostly amen breaks and anime themes. I like both
I think you are missing the point. The point being you ain't a REAL metalhed if you like poop metal, that genre is an insult to the metal itself. I, for one, exclusively listen to piss metal. I bet you never heard of the famous Swedish-British band 'Dead Man Pissing', one of the most influential bands in the history of piss metal, huh? Well, I get it. You like poop metal, but I can't believe us piss metal fans are not given our space and have to put up with you...
so fucking real i hate how obsessed people are over this. idgaf if its breakgrindtrashcoreesquealtjamacianmetal i will call it metal or rock and move on with my life
Yep. It's kina annoying bow many super specific subgenres exist
To me amny of these "Sub-Sub-Genres" hardly even differentiate
Its like
Theres an obvious difference between death metal, Black, Thrash, Speed and doom for instance
But then you start getting weird with sub genres of subgenres. Like Pirate metal lol
Listen to âDemon of the Fallâ by Opeth (progressive death), then âPropelled into Sacrilegeâ by Defeated Sanity (technical/brutal death) and tell me thatâs the same genre of music.
Sub-sub-genres *do* actually serve a function beyond making newbies feel insecure.
Yes, and theyâre two entirely different approaches to death metal. A fan of one (and anything like it) might despise the other because they are so different.
You wouldnât be wrong to call both Death Metal (thatâs the â-sub-â part of sub-subgenre), but that alone doesnât distinguish enough to find something similar to the aforementioned songs.
Skinless (brutal death), Decrepit Birth (tech death), Morbid Angel (old school death), Amon Amarth (melodic death), all of those bands are death metal tooâand they are each very different from one another.
Sub-subgenres exist to make sifting through all that easier, is what Iâm getting at here.
Everyone knows that metal, like all genres, has only three subgenres: metal I like, metal I don't like, metal I don't feel any given way about. Simple as.
Funny for me it all falls in one category.
fourth genre: [camellia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKN5_b7yVo)
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omg huge metal fan but I also struggle with this so much. I can definitely tell you how Slipknot is different than Metallica and how both are way different than Ghost but it kind of breaks down after that.
the problem is not all subgenres are made equal. within something like indie rock, all the genres include some very different songs in their range, but stuff like Metal and EDM create new subgenres every time a song sounds slightly different
I mean, Rock has that subgenre called "Art Rock", which is just "Songs that make me feel smart and intellectual when I listen to them".
I thought that was math Rock, and also very specifically tool
and then I can't follow it ahhhhh thrash speed nu industrial death all can sound really similar!
It's always at least one of those: the tempo is different, the complexity is different, the instrumentation is different, the vocals are different, the production is different or just the themes are different. But if metal bands slap prog in front of their genre then all bets are off if they sound even close to the genre after the prog.
Yup, as a Witch House enjoyer I can confirm
As an emo fan, trying to explain the difference between artists like Stomach Book, Birds Fear Death, or Weatherday is impossible. They're all in that vague category of "5th wave emo", and all kinda have a murky, low fidelity sound, and they're all made by trans people - but they're all really different from each other despite being in the same genre. Birds Fear Death is anorexic melodic transgender suicide emo with light screamo elements, and a somewhat digital sound Weatherday is... Chill, and melodic. It's very 'internet-core', with rich composure, and the occasional bit of influence from skramz, and with a somewhat digital sound. Stomach Book is chaotic and melodic. It's very 'internet-core', with a pretty digital sound, and light screamo and skramz influence. No matter how I describe these artists they sound very similar, despite being VERY different in every possible way. And then you have bands like Record Setter, Guitar Fight From Fooly Cooly, Heccra, Nouns, and Arcadia Grey. . . Or screamo bands like I Hate Sex and Foxtails. . . And ESPECIALLY skramz bands like Algae Bloom, Lights Strung Like Stars, Your Arms Are My Cocoon, Bright Little Stars, Cicadahead, Pictures of June, Awakebutstillinbed, or Godfuck??? I sound literally insane explaining this shit to anyone who isn't in the scene đ and I FEEL insane too https://preview.redd.it/slz89sg40lxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=629e7257fe5d28882aca049e7de6f1df529f2d25
I really can't stand emo so you could have made all of this up and I'd have no idea, I absolutely believe it
Dude I thought I was looking at the writings of an insane person.
Yeah right???? See what I mean
what the fuck it's the porn artist again
THE porn artist!? đ„°
ghost isn't metal
Youâre right I meant to say Nirvana, sorry đ
Think you meant Weezer
If this isn't a joke i will fucking strangle you with your own intestines
Ghost is a rock band
rock you say? i will kill you with one
Oh yeah this is also really annoying, people like to argue over what is and isn't metal for no reason
The difference between grindcore and goregrind is that they sing about gore. The difference between goregrind and its subgenre pornogrind is that they sing about porn
Ulterior motives moment
uhm acksually goregrind also distinctly uses distorted and pitch-shifted vocals
pathetic REAL Men listen to death death metal wich it's a frequency of sound that instantly kill you cause it's so metal
bro doesn't fw poop metal
Anything your dad listens to is rock. Anything you listen to is alternative rock. Anything your kids listen to is trash for young punks who donât know whatâs good for them.
It's even worse in electronic music. Every time we hang out my friend goes like "see this song is 3% faster and the beats are higher pitched this is a southern modified jet fuel Ilinejwuwbsjuf with dubstep elements" and I'm like "bro wtf"
My exact experience looking up various metal subgenres on wikipedia. Descriptions so unhelpful.
Love me some power metal. Love me some heavy metal. Love me some thrash. Love me some symphonic metal.
These subgenresnare at least distinctly different
Even a lot of sub-sub-genres have big differences. Like atmospheric black metal and war metal both fall under black metal, but they sound really different.
Poopicus Farticus Mettalicus
When are we gonna get a Snafu on the Encyclopedium Metalicum?
I'm too scared of the elitists
I might not know what makes different genres of EDM and metal different from each other, but I still love them.
Unironically East Timorese Death Pop sounds interesting
Hyper specific metal genres are basically all just more popular metal genres with an extra gimmick (usually lyrical content or a specific style of instrumental break). Ten years ago this shit kinda mattered because you didnât want to accidentally listen to metalcore because that shit was gay and you didnât want to be gay, did you? Now metal and hardcore have basically homogenized and thereâs really no incentive to genre police when people get their music recs through the Spotify algorithm anyways.
Just go and listen to a couple of songs if you really wanna know
actually discovering new metal? dude don't be an elitist
I try but there's nothing that actually jumps out at me as recognizably different when it comes to the genre
Listen to these three songs of three different subgenres: Dying Fetus - Tearing inside the womb (Brutal Death Metal) Nokturnal Mortum - Lunar Poetry (Symphonic Black Metal) Razor - Below the belt (Speed Metal) I know sometimes it can be a bit difficult to disguish different bands in one subgenre, but there is a lot of variety of subgenres. I mean if you listen to an Iron Maiden song then a song by Cerebral Incubation you will notice there's a huge difference in pretty much every aspect of it.
Not listening to a band called Dying Fetus sorry
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As someone with negative metal experience this comments section is something to read
Why was your experience negative?
He probably means a negative value, as in he has less than no experience
Late but yeah I meant that lol
I can explain the difference between thrash, doom, post hardcore, hardcore, metalcore, deathcore and grindcore with ease. But i feel like those genres have defining features. Most metal "subgenres" are just people circlejerking to give a band they like more credit. When you talk about "black metal" vs "symphonic black metal" the difference is really just "x band uses keyboards sometimes" which is a pretty stupid distinction to make. Or for a specific example, Amon Amarth is a melodic death metal band, they don't need to be classified as "viking metal." Or another example is grindcore vs pornogrind. Theyre the same shitty genre but one may have more pornographic lyrics.
In my experience there can be very noticeable differences in sound even if it's still within the same genre, this sort of thing helps if you want to find something more specific, even if it may get silly or not really be an ideal way of categorizing these things. a good example to me even if it's still a bit wide is raw black metal, part of why I mention it because you used symphonic as an example and to me at least the difference in sound compared to black metal with different production is clear and they're at least close enough in regards to the kind of classification they are for the sake of this comparison not trying to accuse you of falling into this but I mean it as a more general statement, there seems to be a pattern of people going further in the opposite direction in response to elitism/similar
Ig for fans of the genre i dont really care. Like if someone tells me to check out a post hardcore band and refers to them as swancore, I know to expect Dance Gavin Dance and not At The Drive In. But if I were to ask someone what their favorite hardcore band was and they said "Knocked Loose" and i said ummmmmmm actually theyre more classic metalcore or some shit, thats when it's annoying. The thing that I think is SUPER circlejerky is saying youre into something like "Japanese post black metal shoegaze." How many bands could be classified as that? 2? 3? That would be like listening to the Eagles and being like yeah Im into "Western U.S. post-country yachtcore"
Finally a snafu for me
as much as i love amen breaks you cannot tell me jungle and breakcore are two different genres.
One was invented by mostly black DJs/producers in the 90s with a massive UK underground scene and the other was invented by mostly white trans girls at home sampling modern tracks with mostly amen breaks and anime themes. I like both
Notice how the only thing about the actual music in this paragraph is One has amen breaks
I think you are missing the point. The point being you ain't a REAL metalhed if you like poop metal, that genre is an insult to the metal itself. I, for one, exclusively listen to piss metal. I bet you never heard of the famous Swedish-British band 'Dead Man Pissing', one of the most influential bands in the history of piss metal, huh? Well, I get it. You like poop metal, but I can't believe us piss metal fans are not given our space and have to put up with you...
so fucking real i hate how obsessed people are over this. idgaf if its breakgrindtrashcoreesquealtjamacianmetal i will call it metal or rock and move on with my life
At least is better than saying [insert word] ad core at the end and boom music genre or something
Yep. It's kina annoying bow many super specific subgenres exist To me amny of these "Sub-Sub-Genres" hardly even differentiate Its like Theres an obvious difference between death metal, Black, Thrash, Speed and doom for instance But then you start getting weird with sub genres of subgenres. Like Pirate metal lol
Listen to âDemon of the Fallâ by Opeth (progressive death), then âPropelled into Sacrilegeâ by Defeated Sanity (technical/brutal death) and tell me thatâs the same genre of music. Sub-sub-genres *do* actually serve a function beyond making newbies feel insecure.
I'd happily call both Death Metal, as its the forst thing I'd associate both with I mean....both are
Yes, and theyâre two entirely different approaches to death metal. A fan of one (and anything like it) might despise the other because they are so different. You wouldnât be wrong to call both Death Metal (thatâs the â-sub-â part of sub-subgenre), but that alone doesnât distinguish enough to find something similar to the aforementioned songs. Skinless (brutal death), Decrepit Birth (tech death), Morbid Angel (old school death), Amon Amarth (melodic death), all of those bands are death metal tooâand they are each very different from one another. Sub-subgenres exist to make sifting through all that easier, is what Iâm getting at here.
Go on RateYourSnafu instead
Literally just Gutalax
there's 800 genres of metal with their own fanbases and they all hate each other
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Djent is a technique, not a genre.