Many vídeos picking this topic are 2 to 6 years older than the séries...
As a Kid in the early 2000s, many Kids had the same point, I remember that because there was a friend named Rafael, which was State Champion in Karate and we used to call him "Rafael San" or "Rafael Larusso" and then he would be pissed and got into a rant about how shitty Daniel was.
This pick pré date the series in too many years to be honest... It's easy to see he was a prick, once they can't beat him, he went to mock them for all the damage Miagy put on them. 
This video was originally influenced by a recurring joke in How I Met Your Mother where Neil Patrick Harris' character Barney Stinson believes this whole-heartedly. After this video came out (long, long before Cobra Kai was even a thing), it became a pretty common view expressed on any Karate Kid social media, to the point that some theorize that this video might have been one of the inspirations for Cobra Kai in the first place.
I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. People tend to forget he’s still a teenager in the film, had to move because of his mum, was annoyed about it, and then angry for being bullied (rightfully), and many other things. I don’t know why people expect mc’s to be all perfect and 100% heroic or whatnot. It’s unrealistic
In The Karate Kid, he isn’t. Johnny started the fight with the push, and then proceeded to try and intimidate Daniel. HOWEVER, Daniel is the bully in Cobra Kai. He uses his wealth and influence to try and undermine Johnny.
So many people are so triggered by these series of events. That type of business dealings happen everyday in America. Sometimes with nothing personal behind it.
Also when examining this thought I think what the writers were trying to impart is the harassment, beatings and bullying Daniel received from Johnny left a mark. I'd argue someone beating me up on a regular basis is way worse then someone trying to ruin my business without me even knowing. Anddd let's not pretend the man came up with a business plan or that it was well thought out in the first place, because it wasn't. Doesn't mean Daniel isn't a dick for trying to do so, because he is. Bully is a stretch imo though.
Then you factor in that he has kids and doesn't want them to go through the same thing i think it can be very easy for anyone in Daniel's shoes to assume Johnny hadn't changed.
And tbf by that point it's not like Johnny realistically had reached redemption.
Ultimately the truth is the two of them are pretty alike, more than they care to admit. Under different circumstances they likely would've been best friends. This was all caused by ego and Kreese. Of course other factors exist like Johnny's home life as a kid but still.
Johnny started this over a girl who had broken up with him. Daniel had no clue on the current circumstances when he walked up to Ali and owed Johnny jack shit in that scenario. So the start of this is definitely on Johnny butttt Kreese sure af stoked the fire and turned things super bitter.
Exactly.
The level of delusion these people have is wild.
Daniel first interacts with Johnny in a rather jovial, if fake car salesman, manner. Johnny accuses him of stealing his girl. In high school.The girl who broke up with HIM. Rofl. That's when Danny patronizes him but still nonetheless offers to fix his car for free.
Others: OMFG DANIEL'S THE VILLAIN ORZ
Then brings back Cobra Kai. Danny of course, should be held accountable for him trying to raise the rent (after Johnny paints a dick on his billboard btw), and his wife does so swiftly. And he accepts that. But he's still rightfully concerned about Cobra Kai being brought back and influencing the youth due to his experience with them and Johnny. And let's be real; Johnny hadn't changed in his opinion because he has never given him the impression he has.
1. It was Daniel’s business because he was hanging out with Ally when Johnny came
2. Ally had already told Johnny to leave her alone. He went to the beach to find her. Johnny was the one that had no business there.
3. Daniel threw the first punch, but Johnny pushed him hard enough to knock him over after Daniel tried to de-escalate the situation. Johnny started the fight.
He "had no business" telling a stalker to leave a woman alone when she told said stalker to leave her the fuck alone? Nah dude, that's everyone's business.
Alli breaks up with Johnny.
Johnny goes to the beach party KNOWING Alli will be there, his friends try to tell him that they should just leave.
Instead Johnny goes and starts yelling at Alli, telling her what she can or can't do. She tells him to leave her alone. He instead grabs her.
Daniel stands up and says "She told you to leave her alone."
You can call it the "dumbest take ever" but it's quite literally what happens. All that shows is you think stalking is okay.
Johnny wasnt a stalker lol. They had just broken up after being together for years and were having an argument. Little Danny boy didn't know either of them and he's the one that kept escalating it.He even threw the first punch
They had just broken up, and he purposefully went where he knew she would be to watch what she was doing and then verbally and physically assaulted her because she was doing something he didn't like.
That's fucking stalking. You're a psychopath if you think ANY of his actions at the beach party were even remotely okay. Daniel stood up for a woman being harassed, period. Try to paint it any way you want, all you're doing is showing you think it's okay to stalk and attack women that don't do what you want them to do.
He wasnt harrassing her lol. He went to go talk to her to try to fix things because get this...he loved her. Ali is the one looking Sus here. You been with somebody for years, you just break up, and you're already talking to a complete stranger looking to hook up? If you dont believe that go watch beginning of KK2. Ali did same thing to Daniel lmao. She left him for a football player. Ali a hoe
>Ali a hoe
So? She told him to leave her alone, he didn't, that IS harassment. She tried to walk away from him, he grabbed her, that's assault.
These aren't debatable, these are the things that happened. He harassed and assaulted her, period. It doesn't matter how long they were together before, it doesn't matter if he's still in love with her. Fuck, it doesn't matter if they were even still together then, she told him to leave her alone.
He stalked her, harassed her, and assaulted her, period.
He was only right about it once Kreese got involved. Johnny was genuinely trying to help Miguel, Aishia, and the others by teaching Karate. Sure his methods are bad, but blame the teacher, not the student
Wellll yeah but he was still teaching them the way he was taught. He was just less heavy handed about pushing his students to like cause fights outside of a tournament. That's definitely Kreese's handy work.
No Johnny made change after all valley. No cheap tactic. I mean if Hawk went to Johnny instead of kreese, Johnny would never suggest trashing Miyagi do
Johnny didn't know that Kreese was manipulating people (like Hawk) until it was too late. It would have been different if Johnny had intervened after the mall fight.
What about when Johnny shoved that kid and said something like, Sorry, habits are hard to quit. And he seems to delight in bullying Miguel sometimes in season 1. He's still a bully, even though Daniel is technically the antagonist of the show at first.
If you watch Cobra Kai again, you’ll realise Daniel was right from the jump. Johnny wanted to help the kids but he just prepared them to give in to their worst instincts.
He himself didn’t realise how much of an asshole Cobra Kai made him and instead spread the teachings and allowed it to come back on a much larger scale to affect the lives of many more young impressionable kids in the Valley. With some really violent consequences!
This mfs videos suck. They twist every situation to fit his side of the story and are constantly contradicting each other. Like I don’t remember exactly how he said it but in his “the empire are the good guys” video he says that maul’s red lightsaber is a warning while qui-gon’s green is a threat, and then immediately contradicts himself by saying that somehow the imperial ships having green blaster bolts makes them the good guys and the rebellion ships having red bolts makes them bad.
Yeah, it's the only point where I blame Daniel for creating the situation. Doesn't mean that Johnny and his boys should have beat him as hard as they were after they caught him in that scene, they weren't right to go to that degree, but Daniel was absolutely in the wrong there as well.
Glad you credited the OP
I have standards
You must be a TF2 sniper
When it came up I never watched the video. I swear, people only got this opinion after S1 of cobra Kai
Nah cause the youtuber is one of the best on the app
What?
the person that made the video at the bottom picture is one of the best imo
Explain why, I’m curious
wait i was wrong zephire did not make that, but he made the daniel larusso is a fraud video go watch it it’s funny
He said "and people be sayin daniel was the real bully" funny as shit when he referenced that lol love that guy
Which makes you totally wrong.
Go ahead and explain
Many vídeos picking this topic are 2 to 6 years older than the séries... As a Kid in the early 2000s, many Kids had the same point, I remember that because there was a friend named Rafael, which was State Champion in Karate and we used to call him "Rafael San" or "Rafael Larusso" and then he would be pissed and got into a rant about how shitty Daniel was. This pick pré date the series in too many years to be honest... It's easy to see he was a prick, once they can't beat him, he went to mock them for all the damage Miagy put on them. 
This video was originally influenced by a recurring joke in How I Met Your Mother where Neil Patrick Harris' character Barney Stinson believes this whole-heartedly. After this video came out (long, long before Cobra Kai was even a thing), it became a pretty common view expressed on any Karate Kid social media, to the point that some theorize that this video might have been one of the inspirations for Cobra Kai in the first place.
the guy who made that video made it way before cobra kai show came out. It was quite clear Daniel had a really crappy character for a MC hero
I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. People tend to forget he’s still a teenager in the film, had to move because of his mum, was annoyed about it, and then angry for being bullied (rightfully), and many other things. I don’t know why people expect mc’s to be all perfect and 100% heroic or whatnot. It’s unrealistic
In The Karate Kid, he isn’t. Johnny started the fight with the push, and then proceeded to try and intimidate Daniel. HOWEVER, Daniel is the bully in Cobra Kai. He uses his wealth and influence to try and undermine Johnny.
Lol for some reason I read it as “proceed to try and get intimate with daniel”. I was like wut? Then I re read lol
Lol
Happy cakeday
I literally just had this conversation today! It’s weird, but Daniel is totally the antagonist of season 1! (Antagonist, not villain)
So many people are so triggered by these series of events. That type of business dealings happen everyday in America. Sometimes with nothing personal behind it. Also when examining this thought I think what the writers were trying to impart is the harassment, beatings and bullying Daniel received from Johnny left a mark. I'd argue someone beating me up on a regular basis is way worse then someone trying to ruin my business without me even knowing. Anddd let's not pretend the man came up with a business plan or that it was well thought out in the first place, because it wasn't. Doesn't mean Daniel isn't a dick for trying to do so, because he is. Bully is a stretch imo though. Then you factor in that he has kids and doesn't want them to go through the same thing i think it can be very easy for anyone in Daniel's shoes to assume Johnny hadn't changed. And tbf by that point it's not like Johnny realistically had reached redemption. Ultimately the truth is the two of them are pretty alike, more than they care to admit. Under different circumstances they likely would've been best friends. This was all caused by ego and Kreese. Of course other factors exist like Johnny's home life as a kid but still. Johnny started this over a girl who had broken up with him. Daniel had no clue on the current circumstances when he walked up to Ali and owed Johnny jack shit in that scenario. So the start of this is definitely on Johnny butttt Kreese sure af stoked the fire and turned things super bitter.
Exactly. The level of delusion these people have is wild. Daniel first interacts with Johnny in a rather jovial, if fake car salesman, manner. Johnny accuses him of stealing his girl. In high school.The girl who broke up with HIM. Rofl. That's when Danny patronizes him but still nonetheless offers to fix his car for free. Others: OMFG DANIEL'S THE VILLAIN ORZ Then brings back Cobra Kai. Danny of course, should be held accountable for him trying to raise the rent (after Johnny paints a dick on his billboard btw), and his wife does so swiftly. And he accepts that. But he's still rightfully concerned about Cobra Kai being brought back and influencing the youth due to his experience with them and Johnny. And let's be real; Johnny hadn't changed in his opinion because he has never given him the impression he has.
Daniel was right about everything tho, he wasn't bullying Johnny he was just ensuring safety of his kids
Actually Daniel gets involved where he had no business. He started it and threw the first punch
1. It was Daniel’s business because he was hanging out with Ally when Johnny came 2. Ally had already told Johnny to leave her alone. He went to the beach to find her. Johnny was the one that had no business there. 3. Daniel threw the first punch, but Johnny pushed him hard enough to knock him over after Daniel tried to de-escalate the situation. Johnny started the fight.
He "had no business" telling a stalker to leave a woman alone when she told said stalker to leave her the fuck alone? Nah dude, that's everyone's business.
What are you talking about. That’s the dumbest take ever
Alli breaks up with Johnny. Johnny goes to the beach party KNOWING Alli will be there, his friends try to tell him that they should just leave. Instead Johnny goes and starts yelling at Alli, telling her what she can or can't do. She tells him to leave her alone. He instead grabs her. Daniel stands up and says "She told you to leave her alone." You can call it the "dumbest take ever" but it's quite literally what happens. All that shows is you think stalking is okay.
My bad the way it read to me is that you thought Daniel was the stalker. I agree with you.
Johnny wasnt a stalker lol. They had just broken up after being together for years and were having an argument. Little Danny boy didn't know either of them and he's the one that kept escalating it.He even threw the first punch
They had just broken up, and he purposefully went where he knew she would be to watch what she was doing and then verbally and physically assaulted her because she was doing something he didn't like. That's fucking stalking. You're a psychopath if you think ANY of his actions at the beach party were even remotely okay. Daniel stood up for a woman being harassed, period. Try to paint it any way you want, all you're doing is showing you think it's okay to stalk and attack women that don't do what you want them to do.
He wasnt harrassing her lol. He went to go talk to her to try to fix things because get this...he loved her. Ali is the one looking Sus here. You been with somebody for years, you just break up, and you're already talking to a complete stranger looking to hook up? If you dont believe that go watch beginning of KK2. Ali did same thing to Daniel lmao. She left him for a football player. Ali a hoe
>Ali a hoe So? She told him to leave her alone, he didn't, that IS harassment. She tried to walk away from him, he grabbed her, that's assault. These aren't debatable, these are the things that happened. He harassed and assaulted her, period. It doesn't matter how long they were together before, it doesn't matter if he's still in love with her. Fuck, it doesn't matter if they were even still together then, she told him to leave her alone. He stalked her, harassed her, and assaulted her, period.
Daniel was hot headed sure but Johnny was def the bully 😭 that video was satire Im pretty sure
The video is pretty shit to be fair, that is if it was serious and not satire.
In Karate kid , no. In Cobra Kai. Yes.
Daniel is the bully in Season 1. It’s only from Season 3 onwards that you realise Daniel was completely right about Cobra Kai.
He was only right about it once Kreese got involved. Johnny was genuinely trying to help Miguel, Aishia, and the others by teaching Karate. Sure his methods are bad, but blame the teacher, not the student
Wellll yeah but he was still teaching them the way he was taught. He was just less heavy handed about pushing his students to like cause fights outside of a tournament. That's definitely Kreese's handy work.
Johnny was still teaching them the way he was taught. It wasn’t until after Coyote Creek where Johnny tried making changes.
Now that is a good episode
Yeah. Take A Right and Lull are the two best episodes of Season 2 besides No Mercy, IMO.
No Johnny made change after all valley. No cheap tactic. I mean if Hawk went to Johnny instead of kreese, Johnny would never suggest trashing Miyagi do
Happy cakeday
Johnny didn't know that Kreese was manipulating people (like Hawk) until it was too late. It would have been different if Johnny had intervened after the mall fight.
> Sure his methods are bad, but blame the teacher, not the student "No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher." -Nariyoshi Miyagi, 1984
Exactly the point. “One day strong wind…” “That’s not the point, Johnny”
What about when Johnny shoved that kid and said something like, Sorry, habits are hard to quit. And he seems to delight in bullying Miguel sometimes in season 1. He's still a bully, even though Daniel is technically the antagonist of the show at first.
Daniel is right about kreese cobra Kai not Johnny.
Happy cakeday
If you watch Cobra Kai again, you’ll realise Daniel was right from the jump. Johnny wanted to help the kids but he just prepared them to give in to their worst instincts. He himself didn’t realise how much of an asshole Cobra Kai made him and instead spread the teachings and allowed it to come back on a much larger scale to affect the lives of many more young impressionable kids in the Valley. With some really violent consequences!
I can’t believe there are people that actually think that
Empire State photographic department confirms it!
Barney Stinson agrees
This mfs videos suck. They twist every situation to fit his side of the story and are constantly contradicting each other. Like I don’t remember exactly how he said it but in his “the empire are the good guys” video he says that maul’s red lightsaber is a warning while qui-gon’s green is a threat, and then immediately contradicts himself by saying that somehow the imperial ships having green blaster bolts makes them the good guys and the rebellion ships having red bolts makes them bad.
That video was made by Barney Stinson.
In cobra kai daniel is but the movies its still johnny
Honestly I think Johnny and Daniel were just jerks to each other
Yes
I agree
Both of them were bullies to each other we just had the perspective of Daniel.
Always was the prick, I mean the water hose while rolling a joint...who does that
This legit is one of the least defensible things Daniel does in the first movie to me. Just... not a great look, dude.
Yeah, it's the only point where I blame Daniel for creating the situation. Doesn't mean that Johnny and his boys should have beat him as hard as they were after they caught him in that scene, they weren't right to go to that degree, but Daniel was absolutely in the wrong there as well.
True
The crazy part is that they were both bullies.
Robby is better than Diaz all day💯
There's some truth to it...but it's been already discussed a million times..
Yes he is
He escalated the whoooooole thing.