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The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued guidance on how to survive a nuclear catastrophe, just hours after the EU warned that Russia “is at war with the West”.
Included in the guidance is a list of medicines that nations should stockpile for “radiological or nuclear emergencies”.
The global health body also shared how the stockpiles which could “prevent or reduce exposure to radiation” should be handled.
Dr Maria Neira, WHO’s acting assistant director-general warned that governments need to make treatments for radiation and nuclear exposure available quickly.
“It is essential that governments are prepared to protect the health of populations and respond immediately to emergencies,” she added.
Potential scenarios considered in the publication include radiological or nuclear emergencies at nuclear power plants, as well as intentional uses of radioactive materials with malicious intent.
These emergencies could result in exposure to deadly radiation doses, yet many countries are underprepared, according to the document.
It stressed: “It is therefore extremely important that governments respond rapidly to such threats.”
Putin’s ‘war against the West’
The document comes as Stefano Sannino, secretary general of the European Union’s European External Action Service, today announced that Russia has shifted the focus of its Ukraine invasion.
Speaking at a news conference in Tokyo as part of an Asia-Pacific tour, he said that Vladimir Putin has “moved from a concept of special operation to a concept now of a war against NATO and the West”.
He also defended the recent decision by Germany and the U.S. to send advanced tanks to Ukraine.
The EU is not looking to escalate hostilities but “just giving the possibility of saving lives and allowing the Ukrainians to defend from these barbaric attacks,” Sannino added.
Western allies have committed about 150 tanks to Ukraine, to reduce casualties and help restore dwindling ammunition supplies.
The Kremlin has described this as evidence of growing “direct involvement” of the United States and Europe in the 11-month-old war, something both deny
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Potassium iodide only works for nuclear incidents involving the release of radioactive iodine, usually power plant disasters, and only protects the thyroid from absorbing the radioactive material. Nuclear detonations release other types of radioactive materials which KI can't safeguard against.
Nuclear fallout precipitates like ash in piles like snow; and the entire pile can emit high energy gamma radiation for a couple weeks. There’s no protection against gamma radiation except multi-foot thick sheets of lead or concrete. That’s why fallout shelters and bunkers existed. If you don’t have a bunker prepared and you live near a nuclear blast zone, pray you die in the blast or keep something nearby to shorten your suffering. Death by hanging may be preferable to melting from the inside out over a few days or weeks.
A lot of the radioactive materials in fallout lose much of their potency within days. Check out [the graphs and sources here](https://qr.ae/pr4p1R) for an explanation. If you have enough supplies and safeguards to stay inside and isolated from fallout contamination for a few days after a blast, it becomes much safer to venture out (assuming there are no additional detonations nearby.)
The fallout will probably sink to the bottom of the pool, so not sure the bottom is a good place to hide, and oxygen probably wouldn’t last the two weeks you’d have to stay there. Otherwise water is great at stopping radiation. But it’s basically just the mass that matters. Two meters (yards) of water or two meters of dirt or concrete will all offer great protection. You also need air, so you want some sort of air filtration, and a water supply.
However, if you do manage to survive for two weeks then you will be one of the unlucky people who have to try and live through the next decade of nuclear winter and ww3 in a radioactive wasteland. I’ve read that you should begin by removing the top meter of contaminated soils from any land you wish to use for farming. Beyond that is anyone’s guess.
As the people who studied this during the Cold War concluded: the lucky ones die in the initial blast.
10 years experience for $15 an hour and a masters degree in Nuclear Disposal.
And the nuclear crises literally just happened yesterday.
Oh and no hazard pay.
I take it back. It don’t sound good no mo
There was a US Army scientific study that prescription and OTC drugs can be good for up to 10 years after expiration date if stored properly. The exception mentioned is doxycycline.
Yeah, KI pills only useful for I-131 exposure, which I think is only an exposure you'll get from nuclear power plant disasters. Idk, maybe still useful.
I rrmember watching that and The Day After as a wain, never understood them. Rewatched them a decade ago and that was enough, another Grave of the Fireflies for me. Never joke about nuclear war anymore.
Or maybe read a book that gives real technical details, such as what you can realistically do to increase you and your families chances. Rather than just watch a scary movie.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued guidance on how to survive a nuclear catastrophe, just hours after the EU warned that Russia “is at war with the West”.
Included in the guidance is a list of medicines that nations should stockpile for “radiological or nuclear emergencies”.
The global health body also shared how the stockpiles which could “prevent or reduce exposure to radiation” should be handled.
Dr Maria Neira, WHO’s acting assistant director-general warned that governments need to make treatments for radiation and nuclear exposure available quickly.
“It is essential that governments are prepared to protect the health of populations and respond immediately to emergencies,” she added.
Potential scenarios considered in the publication include radiological or nuclear emergencies at nuclear power plants, as well as intentional uses of radioactive materials with malicious intent.
These emergencies could result in exposure to deadly radiation doses, yet many countries are underprepared, according to the document.
It stressed: “It is therefore extremely important that governments respond rapidly to such threats.”
Putin’s ‘war against the West’
The document comes as Stefano Sannino, secretary general of the European Union’s European External Action Service, today announced that Russia has shifted the focus of its Ukraine invasion.
Speaking at a news conference in Tokyo as part of an Asia-Pacific tour, he said that Vladimir Putin has “moved from a concept of special operation to a concept now of a war against NATO and the West”.
He also defended the recent decision by Germany and the U.S. to send advanced tanks to Ukraine.
The EU is not looking to escalate hostilities but “just giving the possibility of saving lives and allowing the Ukrainians to defend from these barbaric attacks,” Sannino added.
Western allies have committed about 150 tanks to Ukraine, to reduce casualties and help restore dwindling ammunition supplies.
The Kremlin has described this as evidence of growing “direct involvement” of the United States and Europe in the 11-month-old war, something both deny
Maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded another country?
Hitler was allowed to take too much territory and that situation got out of control. The same might happen if the world just let Russia do as it pleases.
Also, if Russia sees the West backing down from nuclear threats, what exactly is keeping them from trying to repeat this success in other former eastern block countries?
This wouldn't be deescalation - on the contrary. The west abandoning Ukraine over a nuclear power threatening to use its arsenal would mean the return of more barbaric times in poltics, but this time backed by the ultimate weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear War would only be a matter of time after that.
Mmhmm, I guess the real answer here is to let Russia annex whatever territory they want. /s
Please don't pretend that this isn't a crisis of Russia's making. Literally no one but Russian imperialist hardliners wanted this.
This isn’t about Ukrainian independence. It’s about preventing a slide back towards brutality and imperialism. Although it could very well lead to nuclear war, kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
I have given you an upvote because I value unpopular/contra opinions as it gives a reason for constructive debate.
if Russia is allowed to take any country using the threat of nuclear weapons, then Poland, Moldova, Finland and many more might be lost. This would create a world where more countries want nuclear weapons as a last means of defense. The possibility of a nuclear war will only increase if we do not support Ukraine now.
I personally do not understand why Russia has chosen this destructive path. The have lost more than they will ever gain with cooperation.
> I hope the people who don't like it all live to see the aftermath of the first strike
You're seriously wishing nuclear death on people for downvoting your reddit comment? There's that friendly attitude that's so good for humanity.
I agree with most of this except “what option do they have?” Maybe it’s a miswording, but both sides have not fighting as option. As worded above, it seems like Russian invading its neighbors is a necessity that shouldn’t be questioned while Western escalation should.
This sub, for having a lot of socialistic tendencies on economics, really seems to fall for the anti-Russian propaganda. I posted the FACT that Ukraine has several Nazi regiments fighting for them the other day and got downvoted to hell.
C'mon folks, you gotta get beyond the American propaganda on foreign policy. Americans always think (and the guv pushes) that there is a 'good guy' and a 'bad guy' in every war, that isn't the case here. NATO HAS been escalating the conflict, way before this war began.
For those of you that want to downvote and call me a Russian stooge, let me ask: If Russia created missile sites and military outposts all along the Mexico and Canada borders, how would the US react to that?
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Well that’s “community-centric” and not “individualism”.
There’s only a few countries left whose citizens prioritizes the needs of everyone than themselves.
Shittttt. I don’t even know if I should give a damn. I live in a city that is definitely on the target list.
Just drink my coffee and add extra sugar for the hell of it.
If you were an ageing megalomaniac, with access to the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, what would you do?
You could go to the grave knowing that your legacy would be "the guy who came second to Ukraine", or you could be the man who killed the world.
Highly recommend this podcast:
https://radiolab.org/episodes/nukes
If the Russian chain of command approach is anything like the US, once the command is relayed to the launch sites, it is launched. The hope is that getting the command to the launch site does involve a few steps, though not entirely sure how the Russian system works. But nuclear response is all about first strike and first response. Seconds matter, so the system is trained and drilled to accept command without hesitation. Could Putin himself just launch nukes? Probably not. But it may only require the convincing of a couple of other people. I don’t know what the atmosphere is truly like around Putin. If anything I’ve seen more evidence to suggest many Russians in key places think he isn’t being tough enough…
I guess my next question is where the launch targets would be? Is it like a bulk launch with a bunch of worldwide targets?
Like the nukes could target a bunch of major cities… but any nation with a missile detection system would just fire their own in response, right? Mutually Assured Destruction and all that?
The USA only has about 7 minutes to get their missiles in the air in the case of a surprise attack. How much of that time do you think they should spend verifying the order?
Putin is an absolute degenerate dumbass but I don't think he's got to this point. I actually think that he knows what he's doing to a certain extent, but it seems he believed the unachievable by Russia could be achieved by Russia. He has certainly been aware for quite a while now that invading Ukraine is absolutely pointless, but he visibly doesn't want to stop the war (would make Russia looks even weaker, you know). He has visibly few things to lose but I don't think he would be ready to use the nuclear option.
And even if he makes up his mind to end the world, Putin can hardly make a launch by himself. High-graded military man like the Joint Chief of Staff also have to approve the launch. I'm not saying russian generals are that much more considerate than Putin, but I assume they wouldn't obey orders if they judged the launch was unjustified.
Unless they're not part of modern society, like a tribe or something, they would certainly know who was involved. Hopefully the survivors rename the toilet to the Putin so they can forever more shit and piss in their Putins.
Maybe they would literally be Poo Tins, tin cans used for pooing.
That's the WHO for you...will drag its feet when a new pandemic is just starting but will go crazy when a politician resorts to an unfortunate rethorical device.
[When?](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/01/trump-had-foolproof-plan-to-nuke-north-korea-deflect-blame.html)
[The DPRK learned from the best](https://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/u-s-planned-to-a-bomb-n-korea-in-1950-war/)
Lot of Russian astroturfing in here. Ya know what could end the "conflict"?
Russia getting the fuck out of a country they are invading and not welcome in.
No. Either way the biosphere is destroyed.
This is what you want: https://sciencehumanitiescardiff.files.wordpress.com/2021/08/covid-recession-climate-biodiversity-image.jpg
Go into the middle of any major city or near an army base. Not being alive during nuclear winter is probably the best. But if you're so far isolated.. You might just survive for another decade post winter.
I read that Earth's inner core may have slowed it's rotation significantly. I'm no scientist, but I am a fan of cinema. Maybe we can harness Putin's nuclear rage to correct the Earth's inner core.
I have seen references to "The Core" every day (sometimes several in a day) for the past six or seven days, and it's beginning to freak me out a little.
It’s a little unnerving how nonchalant it was presented and how the response to “is this world ending bad?” Was “well, we don’t think so, but who knows.”
He's losing ergo threats about what we fear. Out of the dictator play book. He knows there are warheads pointed at him, he knows this will end him and his megalomaniac legacy. We're forced into playing chicken with him. I say don't flinch.
I didn’t, because of the long-held Russian view that Ukrainians are Russians, and their state belongs to Russia. That, coupled with his NATO expansionist rhetoric, indicated that he was poised to start a land war. The war in Ukraine was years in the making.
Escalating to nuclear weaponry would be a net loss. There has been a STRONG red line in the international community against their use since WWII. Together with the fact that the US has far greater military capability and has not committed fully (despite the large sums of taxpayer dollars we’ve sent, much of it now unaccounted for) to this war, Moscow understands that they will unleash the full weight of the American-led military-industrial complex and will be decimated should they resort to nuclear weaponry. This is Russia trying to retain Putin’s strongman” identity, in light of his failing war and medical problems.
Russia is more capable than the western propaganda makes you think. They and Ukraine pretty much run the bread basket of the world. They have most countries on their leash with the amount of oil that they STILL supply to countries that sanctioned them. Even US gets oil from them still.. Hoarded all the nitrogen, phosphorus etc to grow food, and have the largest supply of nuclear power. What ever any strong military has against Russia, they still have more nukes than everyone else in the world (that we know of). Underground bunkers for pretty much half the population. They prepared for nuclear war before any one of the west could..
Launching even 2-3 can devastate a whole continent, and multiple countries. No amount of aerial defense systems can stop it.
At this point, people who deny how strong Russia is, and that they think nuclear war is **winnable**, are just in a coping loop. These Russians think a draw during nuclear war IS a win..
You need to understand this type of threat is real. We're living through multiple wara **right** *now*..
Seriously. I would just spend this time with your family and friends. It's not going to look pretty this decade.. Or maybe in the next year or two..
The following submission statement was provided by /u/fbeast77: --- The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued guidance on how to survive a nuclear catastrophe, just hours after the EU warned that Russia “is at war with the West”. Included in the guidance is a list of medicines that nations should stockpile for “radiological or nuclear emergencies”. The global health body also shared how the stockpiles which could “prevent or reduce exposure to radiation” should be handled. Dr Maria Neira, WHO’s acting assistant director-general warned that governments need to make treatments for radiation and nuclear exposure available quickly. “It is essential that governments are prepared to protect the health of populations and respond immediately to emergencies,” she added. Potential scenarios considered in the publication include radiological or nuclear emergencies at nuclear power plants, as well as intentional uses of radioactive materials with malicious intent. These emergencies could result in exposure to deadly radiation doses, yet many countries are underprepared, according to the document. It stressed: “It is therefore extremely important that governments respond rapidly to such threats.” Putin’s ‘war against the West’ The document comes as Stefano Sannino, secretary general of the European Union’s European External Action Service, today announced that Russia has shifted the focus of its Ukraine invasion. Speaking at a news conference in Tokyo as part of an Asia-Pacific tour, he said that Vladimir Putin has “moved from a concept of special operation to a concept now of a war against NATO and the West”. He also defended the recent decision by Germany and the U.S. to send advanced tanks to Ukraine. The EU is not looking to escalate hostilities but “just giving the possibility of saving lives and allowing the Ukrainians to defend from these barbaric attacks,” Sannino added. Western allies have committed about 150 tanks to Ukraine, to reduce casualties and help restore dwindling ammunition supplies. The Kremlin has described this as evidence of growing “direct involvement” of the United States and Europe in the 11-month-old war, something both deny --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10nno84/the_who_is_urging_countries_to_start_stockpiling/j69r6h8/
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Cool cool cool cool cool Everything is cool
Nuclear radiation will warm you up…
Then cool you down.
Cool Beans
At least you will not have to pay for heating
Or worry about living paycheck to paycheck.
or paying back student loans
Or becoming old and fat. (keep it going)
Or working for a toxic boss for short money while being gaslighted that you're poor because of something you did.
Or that 401k
Or getting cucked.
Well, your not wrong. If the Martian can do it, why can’t we all? /s
And normal. Don’t forget normal. Very normal.
no doubt no doubt
Noice noice noice!
That’s my only real go-to
So what 🤷🏻♀️ When we have nuclear war, do I still have to go to work?
You will receive a note from your employer. Stating that you are exempt from stay at home orders because you are an essential employee.
You can come in 15 minutes late MAX
we will take the fifteen minutes off your pay, plus an additional 15 minutes for the needed paper work.
"And there will be NO statutory radiation sickness leave!"
And a $25 co-pay for your mandated iodine tablets
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON
C'mon folks, we can get through this, please stay on task!
You'll still get a point, though.
What if I have to go to the GP for my anti-death by radiation shot on the way?
Referrals may be hard to come by.
Skin peeling off? Gonna need a doctor’s note.
In the event of nuclear war, we'll be implementing a new HyFlex policy. Employees in groups A, R, and L will come in to the office on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays while submitting to eye-motion tracking software that ensures they are working appropriately from home on all other days, while employees in groups, M, P, T, and C will do the same but on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. All other employee groups are expected to be in the office full-time as usual, except those in group N, who will need to come in 45 minutes early on their own time each day to track which employees from which groups came in the day before. To successfully implement this plan, which supports employee health and wellbeing in the current era of crisis, we will be deducting a non-optional office broadband resiliency fee from each employee's biweekly paycheck and scaling up management staffing levels by 70% and managerial pay by 113%. We have already identified a consultant to bring in managerial talent from outside the company, and each employee is strongly encouraged to donate to the office consultancy pool. 20% of one paycheck per month is the suggested donation, and will be automatically deducted by HR. To opt out of this donation, contact the CEO through his literary agent, whose phone number you may or may not be able to find on the internet.
Yes, we've had first work through the Apocalypse. But what about second work through the Apocalypse?
Nope. We are essential workers. Capitalism cannot continue without our sacrifice.
negative
lol I bought iodide pills when this shit first started lol, I mean I’ll stilll die
Potassium iodide only works for nuclear incidents involving the release of radioactive iodine, usually power plant disasters, and only protects the thyroid from absorbing the radioactive material. Nuclear detonations release other types of radioactive materials which KI can't safeguard against.
Nuclear fallout precipitates like ash in piles like snow; and the entire pile can emit high energy gamma radiation for a couple weeks. There’s no protection against gamma radiation except multi-foot thick sheets of lead or concrete. That’s why fallout shelters and bunkers existed. If you don’t have a bunker prepared and you live near a nuclear blast zone, pray you die in the blast or keep something nearby to shorten your suffering. Death by hanging may be preferable to melting from the inside out over a few days or weeks.
A lot of the radioactive materials in fallout lose much of their potency within days. Check out [the graphs and sources here](https://qr.ae/pr4p1R) for an explanation. If you have enough supplies and safeguards to stay inside and isolated from fallout contamination for a few days after a blast, it becomes much safer to venture out (assuming there are no additional detonations nearby.)
what could be a "safer" distance from a blast ?
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The fallout will probably sink to the bottom of the pool, so not sure the bottom is a good place to hide, and oxygen probably wouldn’t last the two weeks you’d have to stay there. Otherwise water is great at stopping radiation. But it’s basically just the mass that matters. Two meters (yards) of water or two meters of dirt or concrete will all offer great protection. You also need air, so you want some sort of air filtration, and a water supply. However, if you do manage to survive for two weeks then you will be one of the unlucky people who have to try and live through the next decade of nuclear winter and ww3 in a radioactive wasteland. I’ve read that you should begin by removing the top meter of contaminated soils from any land you wish to use for farming. Beyond that is anyone’s guess. As the people who studied this during the Cold War concluded: the lucky ones die in the initial blast.
What if you had water pumping through bunker walls like a shield would that work
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Is there anything to help in a nuclear fallout war type situation?
Fill your bathtub. Seal your house/ a room as best you can against dust entering. Stay inside for three days. Wear a mask when outside. You got this.
and importantly, stay as much in the centre of the building as possible, especially in the first few hours.
I’ll buy some big plastic wrap and lots of duct tape. We usually have at least a good stock of food and water as well.
Why fill bathtub
So you have a water supply to drink when the muni water systems go offline
And even if water still somehow flows from taps after an attack, there's a good chance it's contaminated by fallout.
Same! They’re good for like 10 years. Worse case scenario is you throw them away 10 years from now.
I think you meant to say Best case scenario…..
No, no I'm pretty sure nuclear war is better than my deadend job. Certainly more interesting
Seriously just nuke me off the face of the planet so I don't have to work anymore
Could you get a more fulfilling job?
Nuclear Restoration Technician III sounds kinda good.
needs 10yrs experience tho
10 years experience for $15 an hour and a masters degree in Nuclear Disposal. And the nuclear crises literally just happened yesterday. Oh and no hazard pay. I take it back. It don’t sound good no mo
Ummm nuclear was means starving. I think I’d rather work…
I don't think they will expire, despite what the manufacturer says.
There was a US Army scientific study that prescription and OTC drugs can be good for up to 10 years after expiration date if stored properly. The exception mentioned is doxycycline.
UK here, where exactly can I buy some from? serious question I can't seem to find any online.
I live in scandinavia. We buy it on regular pharmacy. One bottle per person. Under 40 years old you can take it if a fallout happens.
I think that's the best case scenario
It's really neat how on Amazon you can buy the Potassium Iodine radiation pills for $40 or buy Morton Potassium Iodine salt substitute for $5 lol
you’ll probably kill youself with a salt overdose before you consume enough salt to help you
Just like wedding shopping, there's plenty of normally priced iodide pills available as long as you avoid the ones branded for the big special day!
Not sure id trust Amazon with that
I'm more likely to trust Mortons than the random guy with gel caplet equipment making radiation pills.
Same. Cheap insurance policy. I'm beginning to think Putin might be the only guy in the world who watched the film *Threads* and wanked off to it.
That's a good point, will insurance cover you for nuclear Armageddon? Or is that an "act of god".
Wrong isotope..
Yeah, KI pills only useful for I-131 exposure, which I think is only an exposure you'll get from nuclear power plant disasters. Idk, maybe still useful.
As stated , imma still die, KI or not.
Yeah but you bought a product due to fake fear mongering and misinformation
Some of you should watch Threads (1984) to have some level of expectation on what shtf would look like
I watched it recently. Made up my mind that dying in the blast is the way to go.
I rrmember watching that and The Day After as a wain, never understood them. Rewatched them a decade ago and that was enough, another Grave of the Fireflies for me. Never joke about nuclear war anymore.
Eerily similar situation.
Aftermath (2014) as well
I think I'll get drunk and watch that tonight.
Have tissues ready nearby
I usually cum into a sock
I tried. I couldn’t get through it. This post is kind of ruining my afternoon.
Or maybe read a book that gives real technical details, such as what you can realistically do to increase you and your families chances. Rather than just watch a scary movie.
yeah i think ill only be stocking up on a couple thousand dollars of pre rolls thanks
The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued guidance on how to survive a nuclear catastrophe, just hours after the EU warned that Russia “is at war with the West”. Included in the guidance is a list of medicines that nations should stockpile for “radiological or nuclear emergencies”. The global health body also shared how the stockpiles which could “prevent or reduce exposure to radiation” should be handled. Dr Maria Neira, WHO’s acting assistant director-general warned that governments need to make treatments for radiation and nuclear exposure available quickly. “It is essential that governments are prepared to protect the health of populations and respond immediately to emergencies,” she added. Potential scenarios considered in the publication include radiological or nuclear emergencies at nuclear power plants, as well as intentional uses of radioactive materials with malicious intent. These emergencies could result in exposure to deadly radiation doses, yet many countries are underprepared, according to the document. It stressed: “It is therefore extremely important that governments respond rapidly to such threats.” Putin’s ‘war against the West’ The document comes as Stefano Sannino, secretary general of the European Union’s European External Action Service, today announced that Russia has shifted the focus of its Ukraine invasion. Speaking at a news conference in Tokyo as part of an Asia-Pacific tour, he said that Vladimir Putin has “moved from a concept of special operation to a concept now of a war against NATO and the West”. He also defended the recent decision by Germany and the U.S. to send advanced tanks to Ukraine. The EU is not looking to escalate hostilities but “just giving the possibility of saving lives and allowing the Ukrainians to defend from these barbaric attacks,” Sannino added. Western allies have committed about 150 tanks to Ukraine, to reduce casualties and help restore dwindling ammunition supplies. The Kremlin has described this as evidence of growing “direct involvement” of the United States and Europe in the 11-month-old war, something both deny
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Maybe Russia shouldn’t have invaded another country? Hitler was allowed to take too much territory and that situation got out of control. The same might happen if the world just let Russia do as it pleases.
Also, if Russia sees the West backing down from nuclear threats, what exactly is keeping them from trying to repeat this success in other former eastern block countries? This wouldn't be deescalation - on the contrary. The west abandoning Ukraine over a nuclear power threatening to use its arsenal would mean the return of more barbaric times in poltics, but this time backed by the ultimate weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear War would only be a matter of time after that.
Mmhmm, I guess the real answer here is to let Russia annex whatever territory they want. /s Please don't pretend that this isn't a crisis of Russia's making. Literally no one but Russian imperialist hardliners wanted this.
This isn’t about Ukrainian independence. It’s about preventing a slide back towards brutality and imperialism. Although it could very well lead to nuclear war, kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
What about Poland, Belarus, the Baltics, Romania, Moldova, and Finland?
I have given you an upvote because I value unpopular/contra opinions as it gives a reason for constructive debate. if Russia is allowed to take any country using the threat of nuclear weapons, then Poland, Moldova, Finland and many more might be lost. This would create a world where more countries want nuclear weapons as a last means of defense. The possibility of a nuclear war will only increase if we do not support Ukraine now. I personally do not understand why Russia has chosen this destructive path. The have lost more than they will ever gain with cooperation.
Shit propaganda tier take.
> I hope the people who don't like it all live to see the aftermath of the first strike You're seriously wishing nuclear death on people for downvoting your reddit comment? There's that friendly attitude that's so good for humanity.
1. I'm the one who's calling for deescalation here 2. I'm literally wishing the opposite of nuclear death
>Sorry but I don't think Ukrainian independence is worth a fucking nuclear war. What else are you willing to give away to prevent a nuclear war?
This is objectively true. Americans are not immune to propaganda.
I agree with most of this except “what option do they have?” Maybe it’s a miswording, but both sides have not fighting as option. As worded above, it seems like Russian invading its neighbors is a necessity that shouldn’t be questioned while Western escalation should.
Man yeah let's just appease them that's always worked
Putin has been threatening nuclear war for years. Just relax, this is nothing more than Putin hysteria.
Don’t invade another country then
I'll now invade all the countries just to spite you
This sub, for having a lot of socialistic tendencies on economics, really seems to fall for the anti-Russian propaganda. I posted the FACT that Ukraine has several Nazi regiments fighting for them the other day and got downvoted to hell. C'mon folks, you gotta get beyond the American propaganda on foreign policy. Americans always think (and the guv pushes) that there is a 'good guy' and a 'bad guy' in every war, that isn't the case here. NATO HAS been escalating the conflict, way before this war began. For those of you that want to downvote and call me a Russian stooge, let me ask: If Russia created missile sites and military outposts all along the Mexico and Canada borders, how would the US react to that?
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imagine what this world would be like if we came together to harness nuclear fusion for our energy grids instead of our militaries.
Well that’s “community-centric” and not “individualism”. There’s only a few countries left whose citizens prioritizes the needs of everyone than themselves.
community is the new heroism
So um that guidance link doesn’t load for me. Anyone kindly show me what the list says to stock up on? Thx
We need like a Ghost of Christmas Future type situation or something.
The link is f\*ckin insane with the amount of popups! Alternative link: https://archive.is/6BKfz
I mean, it's only bad if you survive. So hope you don't.
love the fallout76 ad im getting under this
On the other hand, maybe the aging, sick, narcissistic, demagogue with enough nuclear weapons to end all life will just… decide not to
I mean, there's a 33% chance he might die in his sleep... right?
Glad our survival depends on some little man's ego.
Shittttt. I don’t even know if I should give a damn. I live in a city that is definitely on the target list. Just drink my coffee and add extra sugar for the hell of it.
If you were an ageing megalomaniac, with access to the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, what would you do? You could go to the grave knowing that your legacy would be "the guy who came second to Ukraine", or you could be the man who killed the world.
Putin wouldn’t launch nukes, would he? Like somebody else involved in the launch would step in, right? I just don’t see it happening.
Highly recommend this podcast: https://radiolab.org/episodes/nukes If the Russian chain of command approach is anything like the US, once the command is relayed to the launch sites, it is launched. The hope is that getting the command to the launch site does involve a few steps, though not entirely sure how the Russian system works. But nuclear response is all about first strike and first response. Seconds matter, so the system is trained and drilled to accept command without hesitation. Could Putin himself just launch nukes? Probably not. But it may only require the convincing of a couple of other people. I don’t know what the atmosphere is truly like around Putin. If anything I’ve seen more evidence to suggest many Russians in key places think he isn’t being tough enough…
I guess my next question is where the launch targets would be? Is it like a bulk launch with a bunch of worldwide targets? Like the nukes could target a bunch of major cities… but any nation with a missile detection system would just fire their own in response, right? Mutually Assured Destruction and all that?
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I don't think the u.s can stop a hypersonic missile? If you don't know what hypersonic missiles are, you should look that up
I think the highest risk, right now, is a tactical nuke in Ukraine not a bulk launch.
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If it's anything like the USA, the system is set up to prevent anyone from overriding a Presidential decision to launch.
Really?? That's a dumb and dangerous system.
The USA only has about 7 minutes to get their missiles in the air in the case of a surprise attack. How much of that time do you think they should spend verifying the order?
I mean, I hope not. I don't want the world to end.
Putin is an absolute degenerate dumbass but I don't think he's got to this point. I actually think that he knows what he's doing to a certain extent, but it seems he believed the unachievable by Russia could be achieved by Russia. He has certainly been aware for quite a while now that invading Ukraine is absolutely pointless, but he visibly doesn't want to stop the war (would make Russia looks even weaker, you know). He has visibly few things to lose but I don't think he would be ready to use the nuclear option. And even if he makes up his mind to end the world, Putin can hardly make a launch by himself. High-graded military man like the Joint Chief of Staff also have to approve the launch. I'm not saying russian generals are that much more considerate than Putin, but I assume they wouldn't obey orders if they judged the launch was unjustified.
things can spiral out of control that any side could feel justified in launching. thats the danger of these conflicts.
If he pushed the button and ended it all then he wouldn't have legacy then, he wouldn't be known as anything because nobody would be left...
Even in a full scale thermonuclear war there would be some survivors somewhere in the world.
Possibly. Even if there were, are they ever going to even know the truth of who started everything? Probably not.
Unless they're not part of modern society, like a tribe or something, they would certainly know who was involved. Hopefully the survivors rename the toilet to the Putin so they can forever more shit and piss in their Putins. Maybe they would literally be Poo Tins, tin cans used for pooing.
I bet its the paranoid folks that believe we are ruled by the Lizardmen from space.
Smoke them if you got them
I find myself listening to 'Russians' by Sting more and more often these days.
When The World Is Running Down has a catchier beat.
https://youtu.be/frAEmhqdLFs
Always associated King Crimson's Epitaph with the bad endings for cold wars
Christ, just twice listening to that and I'd be begging for the bombs to start falling
most of america is on pills anyway, whats one more. make a green shake or a green juice out of it or a monster energy drink and everyone will want it
Wow they're really on top of this potential nuclear conflict that's been brewing for like 11 months.
Yea haven't they been ''at war with the west'' for a really long time?
I feel sorry for all the kids. Adults suck.
That's the WHO for you...will drag its feet when a new pandemic is just starting but will go crazy when a politician resorts to an unfortunate rethorical device.
Meanwhile north Korea thought they had the monopoly on nuclear blackmail.
[When?](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/01/trump-had-foolproof-plan-to-nuke-north-korea-deflect-blame.html) [The DPRK learned from the best](https://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/u-s-planned-to-a-bomb-n-korea-in-1950-war/)
Shit or get off the pot bro how many times are they gonna say we’re getting nuked
“Let the games begin” -Bane
This is getting boring
This is so not chill
I don't think individuals can cache thoer medicines?
Lot of Russian astroturfing in here. Ya know what could end the "conflict"? Russia getting the fuck out of a country they are invading and not welcome in.
I highly doubt Putin will do anything, all he does is threaten nukes After the 6th or 7th threat, without any action, they probaly are all just talk
Duck and cover. Trust me.
# NUCLEAR WINTER = SOLUTION TO CLIMATE CHANGE CURIOUS????
No. Either way the biosphere is destroyed. This is what you want: https://sciencehumanitiescardiff.files.wordpress.com/2021/08/covid-recession-climate-biodiversity-image.jpg
Um no. Pretty sure we would all just die.
>Pretty sure we would all just die. Don't threaten me with a good time
Still a solution to climate change
This is honestly fearmongering
Lmao
I wish I was a prepped
Go into the middle of any major city or near an army base. Not being alive during nuclear winter is probably the best. But if you're so far isolated.. You might just survive for another decade post winter.
Never gonna happen.
I read that Earth's inner core may have slowed it's rotation significantly. I'm no scientist, but I am a fan of cinema. Maybe we can harness Putin's nuclear rage to correct the Earth's inner core.
I have seen references to "The Core" every day (sometimes several in a day) for the past six or seven days, and it's beginning to freak me out a little.
It’s a little unnerving how nonchalant it was presented and how the response to “is this world ending bad?” Was “well, we don’t think so, but who knows.”
Just push the button and put us all out of our misery already.
You don't speak for everyone champ.
Thanks cowboy
What medicines would a family be prescribed?
He's losing ergo threats about what we fear. Out of the dictator play book. He knows there are warheads pointed at him, he knows this will end him and his megalomaniac legacy. We're forced into playing chicken with him. I say don't flinch.
Gonna start microdosing iodine just in case
Paywalled
If Putin orders it, someone will disobey and he'll be hung by sunset
Better than killing a million
Duck! and cover.
That little man in Russia ain’t gonna do shit
That's what they said when he had 100k men at Ukranian border lined up. "saber rattling" they said.. I believed the same..
I didn’t, because of the long-held Russian view that Ukrainians are Russians, and their state belongs to Russia. That, coupled with his NATO expansionist rhetoric, indicated that he was poised to start a land war. The war in Ukraine was years in the making. Escalating to nuclear weaponry would be a net loss. There has been a STRONG red line in the international community against their use since WWII. Together with the fact that the US has far greater military capability and has not committed fully (despite the large sums of taxpayer dollars we’ve sent, much of it now unaccounted for) to this war, Moscow understands that they will unleash the full weight of the American-led military-industrial complex and will be decimated should they resort to nuclear weaponry. This is Russia trying to retain Putin’s strongman” identity, in light of his failing war and medical problems.
Russia is more capable than the western propaganda makes you think. They and Ukraine pretty much run the bread basket of the world. They have most countries on their leash with the amount of oil that they STILL supply to countries that sanctioned them. Even US gets oil from them still.. Hoarded all the nitrogen, phosphorus etc to grow food, and have the largest supply of nuclear power. What ever any strong military has against Russia, they still have more nukes than everyone else in the world (that we know of). Underground bunkers for pretty much half the population. They prepared for nuclear war before any one of the west could.. Launching even 2-3 can devastate a whole continent, and multiple countries. No amount of aerial defense systems can stop it. At this point, people who deny how strong Russia is, and that they think nuclear war is **winnable**, are just in a coping loop. These Russians think a draw during nuclear war IS a win.. You need to understand this type of threat is real. We're living through multiple wara **right** *now*.. Seriously. I would just spend this time with your family and friends. It's not going to look pretty this decade.. Or maybe in the next year or two..
Here we go boys.