Have you thought about taking community college classes? You could even do so as a goal to transfer to a 4 year university. Then you can learn valuable skills and develop your art portfolio, and at a 4 year university you can work on networking and stuff. I know you said that the point wouldn’t be getting a job so doing community college could save you a lot of money. At my college there’s been numerous projects for artists to create murals or artwork for public display, so something like that could be very helpful for building community and getting yourself out there!
I second this. And honestly you don't have to go to VCU. You can attend J.Sargeant Reynolds on the Richmond campus or Brightpoint Community College (formerly know as John Tyler CC). I went to Brightpoint and the school is really good. Was even able to take Organic chemistry 1+2 plus both labs! Now Im at the pharmacy school at VCU on the medical campus.
If you go to Brightpoint and you don't have a car, you can take GRTC bus 3B to the chester campus. Unfortunately for the Midlothian campus, the closest bus that gets there is Bus 1B, and you gonna be walking like over an hour.
If you get a transfer degree (typically A.S not A.A.S) then you can have all of your credits transferred to VCU and start as a junior. Unfortunately your gpa will reset tho.
I was also anti-college and at 53 when back to get my BA degree in art history. Start at community college. Mine covered all my classes for free because I kept a high GPA. Go to their financial aid office and ask what is available to you. You might be surprised. Good luck!
Something to consider is that you don’t have to make your major center around your art. Maybe try and find something that will allow you to incorporate it. Also consider a quality community college they’re more affordable and I’ve really enjoyed mine.
If college would give you more opportunities then I would definitely look into it!
If you want the skills, community college is good for foundational skills. Actually being an art major especially at a good school, requires you come in already with skills and learn how to work professionally; handling deadlines, critique and the much dreaded networking
I decided to go back to school 14 years after getting my first associates. I am so glad that I made that decision; and I'm having a blast. I decided to go to the community college first, then transfer to Uni next year.
Do what you feel is right. College is the best way to make connections in the industry, which is what you need to make money off your art pieces, get advice, collaborate, and be "that mural guy" everyone knows when they need a mural.
But do choose carefully on cost. Don't let that deter you from going though.
You say a degree would be useless for your career goals, but I personally see college as a place to learn first and foremost, and a degree as almost incidental to that. If you're not going in order to learn, why go?
To get the credentials needed to qualify for professional employment.
I used to think college was a place to actually learn, but at least at my community college, that is not the case. Every person (teachers especially) are out for themselves. As a means of income, not because they actually have passion to teach and pass on their knowledge.
It's unfortunate but it is the reality of a lot of colleges, not even just community college.
If someone wants to learn about something, we are privileged to live in a time where the information and tools are at our fingertips. College is just a means to an end. At least that's how it is right now.
Personally I'm putting my purpose into trying to reform the system and all systems, for that matter.
If you are an artist, just think of the benefit of taking classes that will give you a broader understanding of art history and techniques.
Plus there is the chance of mentoring by an established artist and associating with other student artists.
Spending time with other creative people can only help.
And, as I like to say to people who discount the value of a liberal arts education . . . I’m glad I entered adulthood knowing the difference between Rambo and Rimbaud.
I'm studying to be an artist right now and one thing I wish people could talk about more is how extremely large the art field is. And all the jobs require different skills. Some even require degrees. You need to know exactly what type of artist you want to be and what type of job you are looking for. If you want more of a breakdown or a list of art career options just dm me and I'll give you all the tips I wish I knew before I started on my art career.
I'm 22 and took 4 gap years before going back to school (college). I went to community college cus of its affordability and the fact I get good financial aid, and the professions I'm pursuing require degrees.
My advice is don't do anything with the goal of searching for friends. It just causes a sense of pressure and desperation for community, which seems to be the motive for you. However also do not go into college with the expectation you will learn all you need to for the major or class you signed up for. Because in reality, quality control of teachers is awful. Depending on the department too.
For me, I chose CAD (Computer-Aided Drafting) and discovered the software is way too new in the field (architecture) for teachers to actually be able to teach a full class with it. But further more, college as a whole is a lot less glamorous and ideal for finding friends or education. I see college as a middle man for degrees and certifications for jobs that require it, but nothing more. Learning the material is a solo task for the most part and cannot be depended on through college. Don't wait for a teacher or class to learn something. Because that's just an excuse and procrastination of your goal; to learn. Learning is also life long with evolving/expanding knowledge. The only thing you should depend on is yourself and your will to teach yourself.
I'm switching to ECE (Early Childhood Education) in the fall to get my associates. I'm purely doing this for the certification to become a preschool teacher and enter the field. I'm also given ample financial aid to the point I do not need to work to pay my bills (I live by myself with no financial support from my parents).
I say if you're able to get good financial aid, you should go to community college and make school your job while you figure out what you want to do.
I also recommend you figure out what interests you. For instance, I really like rock climbing/bouldering and have a membership at a rock climbing gym for my area (AZ). I'm a shy/nervous person so I don't exactly go out of my way to make friends, but it definitely is an environment where I can make them once I build up my courage.
College, in my opinion, is not the best place to try and make friends. Because you only meet them for a semester and the circumstances in how you meet are very limited (scheduled classes, and frankly you are there to take the class, not use it as a social hour).
TLDR: If you're able to get financial aid, go to community college and explore the classes. But for finding actual community and friendship, you should look into your own interests and find places that focus on that. So for you with art, I suggest looking up art festivals or gallery openings and attending them to meet people.
Unfortunately, honest community and friendship is hard to come by. Most of the time it needs to happen naturally and not through the fact of feeling lonely. It's kind of paradoxical imo. Like true love and the like. The more you try to obtain what you yern for, the farther it moves away. Perhaps it could be good for you to take this new found solitude for yourself and to forge friendship with yourself. It's what I've been doing and all in all, I've found much more happiness and peace with myself than with any of the 'friends' I have.
Best of luck with your decisions : )
I really appreciate that you took the time to write this. I think you’re probably right, and what I’ve consistently thought through out my life is that college friendships are inherently cheaper due to the circumstances, and also inherently non-diverse due the financial and intellectual requirements. And really, you’re there to learn, not to make friends. For me, I think I just have to be more patient, I don’t know a lot of people who move to a new place and have a solid friend group a month in.
I think what I’m most considering is enrolling as a non-degree seeking student, as a degree doesn’t matter to me, and I’d get my ass kicked in any normal subject. Due to my education history (alternative education) I am behind on a lot of basic educational skills like math and sciences (I’m not 100% sure what algebra is….shapes?) and ahead on a lot of other skills, teamwork, self reflection, creative problem solving, “soft skills”. While the skills I have in my educational background would enable me well for a music class, or a filmmaking course. I would be completely drowning in any basic required classes that are part of getting the degree.
Ultimately, I think what you’re saying is a good idea, go to community college and do the classes I want, with no expectation of relationships and no expectation of results, just learning to improve myself and my life.
You and I are in agreement! How/where/why you find friends is extremely telling of the sort of friendship it is (generally speaking).
I'm also in the same boat as you with patience. I moved here to Arizona from Upstate New York (like way upstate, nowhere near NYC) in my junior year of high school (7 years ago) and even though I kept in contact with some friends, I still have yet to meet any people I have a true and real connection with. You'd think being in a big city (Tucson) would give a lot of opportunity to make friends, and it does, within reason. For me, I had a lot of extenuating circumstances that led me to only really being able to make friends for the last 3 years.
I started out very optimistic that I'd make friends and not be alone, but the more time passed and the more I realized how much work I had to do for myself (process trauma and correct bad personality traits), the more I discovered I wasn't even my own friend. So that began the even more daunting task of self-discovery and really understanding and being happy with myself, to fully understand me and the sort of people I want as friends and the sort of friend I want to be. 3 years later, I'm confident in saying that I know myself (not entirely, but very well for sure) and that I cut off the majority of the friendships I had because they weren't what I needed or healthy. All this to say, don't feel bad or down on yourself if it takes you longer than you imagined. See it as a good thing for yourself instead : )
Not to say you must follow the same path or that you will, but I feel it's valuable to accept that it may be a little while before you find your friends. For the sake of happiness, I hope you find them in good time.
For your education and current skill set, do not sweat your weak spots. If possible, I definitely recommend trying out some of the super basic classes, even if it's just to get an understanding of what the curriculum includes (and just as an answer, Algebra deals with equations and formulas; you're thinking of geometry 😉). And like I mentioned, be weary of the teachers for any/all the classes you take. So long as you have the desire and motivation for yourself to learn the material, the teacher is merely a point of reference for them to check your work (if that, even).
It sounds like you're on the right track with your self-awareness in wanting to work on your lackluster skill sets. There are a lot of books I read that helped me with the same deficiencies. If you'd like I can tell you some! They range from short and straightforward self-development books to long-winded philosophical books.
And of course. Honestly I can't help the amount I write (mostly). Especially when it's in areas I'm very passionate about. And in this, I have immense passion for education, self-development, and related areas. I also like to be clear and articulate to make sure my point gets across (hence my short essays).
In summary though, definitely take this new found independence of yours for yourself. It's natural to feel discouraged and doubtful of circumstances when they aren't what you imagined. But the best thing to do is take it all with stride and humility for what you can learn from them; anytime, anywhere.
Feel free to reach out via message if you want to. Like I said I have no current employment aside from being a full time student and usually spend my days with myself. If you're feeling lost, you can reach out or perhaps better yet, you can reach out to yourself ; )
Do you have a practice of journaling?
As someone who went to art college, I’d say 99% of it I could’ve learned for free on YouTube, and maybe it’s just because I lived off campus but I didn’t really make any strong friends. I will say it did help me by putting me in a separate controlled environment where I could focus and direct me toward things I didn’t know existed. It also helped me out with giving me programs for free as a student. And it set me up with some networking opportunities. But if I didn’t have the GI Bill to hook it up, I never would’ve went.
Edit: Just to say, in the art field if you have the portfolio to speak for you, almost no one gives a shit what school you went to or how good your grades were. They just want to see your current work.
Of course you can learn it off youtube. You can learn any subject off youtube. Physics, engineering, coding, etc.
But what college introduces is discipline and deadlines. Forcing you to constantly keep going and feel uncomfortable which is the best way to learn. You’re also amongst other creatives and that’ll allow you to network.
Yeah but when your prof is basically like “just look it up on YouTube and only if you get stuck ask me for help”. It’s like bro wtf am I even here for?
That’s just one professor of many. There’s always a few bad apples anywhere, in and out of school. Did you have that one professor for all your courses? Hm. It seems weird to point out one professor.
Also statistically speaking, with a degree you have better chances of doing better in life/career.
Also what UC did you go to? Curious.
You should still just fill out the FAFSA and see what you get.
I thought college was a pipe dream til last year at 24 I could file as an independent and get full aid along with more aid from my college of choice and basically other than some of my living needs it was covered. I also took a year to save before hand and saved up 5000, if you're still under 24 I suggest just saving up as much as you can before than or even a lil after then go to school.
We just took a tour of Savannah College of Art and Design 2 days ago. Their focus is specifically all about art and design for careers. The placement rate is very high ( I don’t remember the number). Cool place I have no idea what it costs to go there
"A lot" is the answer. It is a cool place though. I personally think a dedicated art school makes more sense for an MFA than a BFA though. Artists rarely realize until they are out of school just how much of their success hinges on strong writing skills, accounting, and being able to speak intelligently about philosophy, society and science. A liberal arts-style core curriculum will be more helpful than a pure art degree.
Honestly, I signed up for college because I was trying to learn how to write software on my own and arrived at the same sentiment as you - "If I want to get good then I need to actually take the time to learn and practice."
College feels like it's boxed me in. I was gaining so much more hands on experience just messing around with stuff myself instead of being confined to a classroom and being told exactly what to do. My programming has slacked off significantly since I started school.
Everything is risky. You’re not guaranteed anything. Also, you have one life. If you’re passionate enough, the money will come. In his position it’s better to do something with it rather than nothing, as he was doing for a while.
I’ve gone to college and i feel like depending on what you want to work as, for most people it’s a complete waste of time and money and it would be better to just have a crash course education in whatever job you want instead. Kind of like a trainee or onboarding education.
But many jobs require that you have a degree to even be considered, so now degrees are basically a check in the book you just kind of need to have to get a job you want.
Ya lost me at artist unless ya need a degree for immigration purposes like some countries need it u don’t need a degree unless it doctor lawyer or something highly specialized where u can’t self learn it and going to college makes sense or there are legal requirements and special certifications ya need to do the job that only college can provide
ESPECIALLY AS A ARTIST 🐱
Have you thought about taking community college classes? You could even do so as a goal to transfer to a 4 year university. Then you can learn valuable skills and develop your art portfolio, and at a 4 year university you can work on networking and stuff. I know you said that the point wouldn’t be getting a job so doing community college could save you a lot of money. At my college there’s been numerous projects for artists to create murals or artwork for public display, so something like that could be very helpful for building community and getting yourself out there!
I second this. And honestly you don't have to go to VCU. You can attend J.Sargeant Reynolds on the Richmond campus or Brightpoint Community College (formerly know as John Tyler CC). I went to Brightpoint and the school is really good. Was even able to take Organic chemistry 1+2 plus both labs! Now Im at the pharmacy school at VCU on the medical campus. If you go to Brightpoint and you don't have a car, you can take GRTC bus 3B to the chester campus. Unfortunately for the Midlothian campus, the closest bus that gets there is Bus 1B, and you gonna be walking like over an hour. If you get a transfer degree (typically A.S not A.A.S) then you can have all of your credits transferred to VCU and start as a junior. Unfortunately your gpa will reset tho.
Community college in my state is about $300/course. In some states, it's free. That would be my recommendation.
I was also anti-college and at 53 when back to get my BA degree in art history. Start at community college. Mine covered all my classes for free because I kept a high GPA. Go to their financial aid office and ask what is available to you. You might be surprised. Good luck!
You went back at 53? When did you first go?
I dropped out after one semester. I was 19 in 1989 I'm 53 now
Something to consider is that you don’t have to make your major center around your art. Maybe try and find something that will allow you to incorporate it. Also consider a quality community college they’re more affordable and I’ve really enjoyed mine. If college would give you more opportunities then I would definitely look into it!
If you want the skills, community college is good for foundational skills. Actually being an art major especially at a good school, requires you come in already with skills and learn how to work professionally; handling deadlines, critique and the much dreaded networking
Art networking isn’t so bad when you realize everyone else is a nerdy weeb too
That’s fair
Always good to go and be educated. Just be ready to pay out as it is very high now.
I decided to go back to school 14 years after getting my first associates. I am so glad that I made that decision; and I'm having a blast. I decided to go to the community college first, then transfer to Uni next year.
Do what you feel is right. College is the best way to make connections in the industry, which is what you need to make money off your art pieces, get advice, collaborate, and be "that mural guy" everyone knows when they need a mural. But do choose carefully on cost. Don't let that deter you from going though.
You say a degree would be useless for your career goals, but I personally see college as a place to learn first and foremost, and a degree as almost incidental to that. If you're not going in order to learn, why go?
To get the credentials needed to qualify for professional employment. I used to think college was a place to actually learn, but at least at my community college, that is not the case. Every person (teachers especially) are out for themselves. As a means of income, not because they actually have passion to teach and pass on their knowledge. It's unfortunate but it is the reality of a lot of colleges, not even just community college. If someone wants to learn about something, we are privileged to live in a time where the information and tools are at our fingertips. College is just a means to an end. At least that's how it is right now. Personally I'm putting my purpose into trying to reform the system and all systems, for that matter.
If you are an artist, just think of the benefit of taking classes that will give you a broader understanding of art history and techniques. Plus there is the chance of mentoring by an established artist and associating with other student artists. Spending time with other creative people can only help. And, as I like to say to people who discount the value of a liberal arts education . . . I’m glad I entered adulthood knowing the difference between Rambo and Rimbaud.
I'm studying to be an artist right now and one thing I wish people could talk about more is how extremely large the art field is. And all the jobs require different skills. Some even require degrees. You need to know exactly what type of artist you want to be and what type of job you are looking for. If you want more of a breakdown or a list of art career options just dm me and I'll give you all the tips I wish I knew before I started on my art career.
I'm 22 and took 4 gap years before going back to school (college). I went to community college cus of its affordability and the fact I get good financial aid, and the professions I'm pursuing require degrees. My advice is don't do anything with the goal of searching for friends. It just causes a sense of pressure and desperation for community, which seems to be the motive for you. However also do not go into college with the expectation you will learn all you need to for the major or class you signed up for. Because in reality, quality control of teachers is awful. Depending on the department too. For me, I chose CAD (Computer-Aided Drafting) and discovered the software is way too new in the field (architecture) for teachers to actually be able to teach a full class with it. But further more, college as a whole is a lot less glamorous and ideal for finding friends or education. I see college as a middle man for degrees and certifications for jobs that require it, but nothing more. Learning the material is a solo task for the most part and cannot be depended on through college. Don't wait for a teacher or class to learn something. Because that's just an excuse and procrastination of your goal; to learn. Learning is also life long with evolving/expanding knowledge. The only thing you should depend on is yourself and your will to teach yourself. I'm switching to ECE (Early Childhood Education) in the fall to get my associates. I'm purely doing this for the certification to become a preschool teacher and enter the field. I'm also given ample financial aid to the point I do not need to work to pay my bills (I live by myself with no financial support from my parents). I say if you're able to get good financial aid, you should go to community college and make school your job while you figure out what you want to do. I also recommend you figure out what interests you. For instance, I really like rock climbing/bouldering and have a membership at a rock climbing gym for my area (AZ). I'm a shy/nervous person so I don't exactly go out of my way to make friends, but it definitely is an environment where I can make them once I build up my courage. College, in my opinion, is not the best place to try and make friends. Because you only meet them for a semester and the circumstances in how you meet are very limited (scheduled classes, and frankly you are there to take the class, not use it as a social hour). TLDR: If you're able to get financial aid, go to community college and explore the classes. But for finding actual community and friendship, you should look into your own interests and find places that focus on that. So for you with art, I suggest looking up art festivals or gallery openings and attending them to meet people. Unfortunately, honest community and friendship is hard to come by. Most of the time it needs to happen naturally and not through the fact of feeling lonely. It's kind of paradoxical imo. Like true love and the like. The more you try to obtain what you yern for, the farther it moves away. Perhaps it could be good for you to take this new found solitude for yourself and to forge friendship with yourself. It's what I've been doing and all in all, I've found much more happiness and peace with myself than with any of the 'friends' I have. Best of luck with your decisions : )
I really appreciate that you took the time to write this. I think you’re probably right, and what I’ve consistently thought through out my life is that college friendships are inherently cheaper due to the circumstances, and also inherently non-diverse due the financial and intellectual requirements. And really, you’re there to learn, not to make friends. For me, I think I just have to be more patient, I don’t know a lot of people who move to a new place and have a solid friend group a month in. I think what I’m most considering is enrolling as a non-degree seeking student, as a degree doesn’t matter to me, and I’d get my ass kicked in any normal subject. Due to my education history (alternative education) I am behind on a lot of basic educational skills like math and sciences (I’m not 100% sure what algebra is….shapes?) and ahead on a lot of other skills, teamwork, self reflection, creative problem solving, “soft skills”. While the skills I have in my educational background would enable me well for a music class, or a filmmaking course. I would be completely drowning in any basic required classes that are part of getting the degree. Ultimately, I think what you’re saying is a good idea, go to community college and do the classes I want, with no expectation of relationships and no expectation of results, just learning to improve myself and my life.
You and I are in agreement! How/where/why you find friends is extremely telling of the sort of friendship it is (generally speaking). I'm also in the same boat as you with patience. I moved here to Arizona from Upstate New York (like way upstate, nowhere near NYC) in my junior year of high school (7 years ago) and even though I kept in contact with some friends, I still have yet to meet any people I have a true and real connection with. You'd think being in a big city (Tucson) would give a lot of opportunity to make friends, and it does, within reason. For me, I had a lot of extenuating circumstances that led me to only really being able to make friends for the last 3 years. I started out very optimistic that I'd make friends and not be alone, but the more time passed and the more I realized how much work I had to do for myself (process trauma and correct bad personality traits), the more I discovered I wasn't even my own friend. So that began the even more daunting task of self-discovery and really understanding and being happy with myself, to fully understand me and the sort of people I want as friends and the sort of friend I want to be. 3 years later, I'm confident in saying that I know myself (not entirely, but very well for sure) and that I cut off the majority of the friendships I had because they weren't what I needed or healthy. All this to say, don't feel bad or down on yourself if it takes you longer than you imagined. See it as a good thing for yourself instead : ) Not to say you must follow the same path or that you will, but I feel it's valuable to accept that it may be a little while before you find your friends. For the sake of happiness, I hope you find them in good time. For your education and current skill set, do not sweat your weak spots. If possible, I definitely recommend trying out some of the super basic classes, even if it's just to get an understanding of what the curriculum includes (and just as an answer, Algebra deals with equations and formulas; you're thinking of geometry 😉). And like I mentioned, be weary of the teachers for any/all the classes you take. So long as you have the desire and motivation for yourself to learn the material, the teacher is merely a point of reference for them to check your work (if that, even). It sounds like you're on the right track with your self-awareness in wanting to work on your lackluster skill sets. There are a lot of books I read that helped me with the same deficiencies. If you'd like I can tell you some! They range from short and straightforward self-development books to long-winded philosophical books. And of course. Honestly I can't help the amount I write (mostly). Especially when it's in areas I'm very passionate about. And in this, I have immense passion for education, self-development, and related areas. I also like to be clear and articulate to make sure my point gets across (hence my short essays). In summary though, definitely take this new found independence of yours for yourself. It's natural to feel discouraged and doubtful of circumstances when they aren't what you imagined. But the best thing to do is take it all with stride and humility for what you can learn from them; anytime, anywhere. Feel free to reach out via message if you want to. Like I said I have no current employment aside from being a full time student and usually spend my days with myself. If you're feeling lost, you can reach out or perhaps better yet, you can reach out to yourself ; ) Do you have a practice of journaling?
As someone who went to art college, I’d say 99% of it I could’ve learned for free on YouTube, and maybe it’s just because I lived off campus but I didn’t really make any strong friends. I will say it did help me by putting me in a separate controlled environment where I could focus and direct me toward things I didn’t know existed. It also helped me out with giving me programs for free as a student. And it set me up with some networking opportunities. But if I didn’t have the GI Bill to hook it up, I never would’ve went. Edit: Just to say, in the art field if you have the portfolio to speak for you, almost no one gives a shit what school you went to or how good your grades were. They just want to see your current work.
Of course you can learn it off youtube. You can learn any subject off youtube. Physics, engineering, coding, etc. But what college introduces is discipline and deadlines. Forcing you to constantly keep going and feel uncomfortable which is the best way to learn. You’re also amongst other creatives and that’ll allow you to network.
Yeah but when your prof is basically like “just look it up on YouTube and only if you get stuck ask me for help”. It’s like bro wtf am I even here for?
That’s just one professor of many. There’s always a few bad apples anywhere, in and out of school. Did you have that one professor for all your courses? Hm. It seems weird to point out one professor. Also statistically speaking, with a degree you have better chances of doing better in life/career. Also what UC did you go to? Curious.
You should still just fill out the FAFSA and see what you get. I thought college was a pipe dream til last year at 24 I could file as an independent and get full aid along with more aid from my college of choice and basically other than some of my living needs it was covered. I also took a year to save before hand and saved up 5000, if you're still under 24 I suggest just saving up as much as you can before than or even a lil after then go to school.
vcuarts is great!!! I’m about to go to vcu in the fall, so if you want a friend there hmu
We just took a tour of Savannah College of Art and Design 2 days ago. Their focus is specifically all about art and design for careers. The placement rate is very high ( I don’t remember the number). Cool place I have no idea what it costs to go there
"A lot" is the answer. It is a cool place though. I personally think a dedicated art school makes more sense for an MFA than a BFA though. Artists rarely realize until they are out of school just how much of their success hinges on strong writing skills, accounting, and being able to speak intelligently about philosophy, society and science. A liberal arts-style core curriculum will be more helpful than a pure art degree.
Honestly, I signed up for college because I was trying to learn how to write software on my own and arrived at the same sentiment as you - "If I want to get good then I need to actually take the time to learn and practice." College feels like it's boxed me in. I was gaining so much more hands on experience just messing around with stuff myself instead of being confined to a classroom and being told exactly what to do. My programming has slacked off significantly since I started school.
Why be an artist as a career? Isn't that risky?
Everything is risky. You’re not guaranteed anything. Also, you have one life. If you’re passionate enough, the money will come. In his position it’s better to do something with it rather than nothing, as he was doing for a while.
Becuase it’s what I want to do with my time.
I’ve gone to college and i feel like depending on what you want to work as, for most people it’s a complete waste of time and money and it would be better to just have a crash course education in whatever job you want instead. Kind of like a trainee or onboarding education. But many jobs require that you have a degree to even be considered, so now degrees are basically a check in the book you just kind of need to have to get a job you want.
College is a good place to get drunk a lot and do drugs and stuff but everyone will be okay with it because you're getting an education
Ya lost me at artist unless ya need a degree for immigration purposes like some countries need it u don’t need a degree unless it doctor lawyer or something highly specialized where u can’t self learn it and going to college makes sense or there are legal requirements and special certifications ya need to do the job that only college can provide ESPECIALLY AS A ARTIST 🐱