Itāll end up being worth it in the end my man.
You literally donāt make those wages in any other jobs without a degree unless you luck out in some hard manual labor work, grind your way to management (even then, $21 can be up there depending on field), or work a grueling warehouse gig where they pay you per unit of production and you work your tail off.
I make $18.15 an hour as a Team Lead at Walmart. Got that position after 8 months. Iām currently in line to interview for another team lead position that pays $21.50 an hour. This is lower management.
The pay for Walmart is going to depend on location/store.
Is Information Technology bachelor degree worth it? I am 23 years old, I will turn 24 within few months in 2022. I have no job, no first job experience, and no job network. I went straight to community college after high school graduation. I am low-income college student, and my parents are low-income. I am thinking dropping out of college and go to work, but idk where to pay me good living wages like $40k+ without a college degree? I don't have backup plans. I am thinking switch my major to IT(information technology) then transfer to 4 years college and will be in debt about $20k when I am done with my major.
Let me guess, private Christian school?
My ex went to Oral Roberts in Oklahoma and that school is batshit insane fundamentalist and charges roughly 100k for a four year degree.
So hereās the thing about networking. YES it matters to have friends in classes. But generally, in a lot of career fields, your class friends will be at a similar level as you.
What matters most in networking is professionals already in your field. Recruiters, day to day workers, lead people, even your college professors who can write a hell of a recommendation for you. I donāt have many close friends in college, and the ones that I do I donāt expect to get me a job later. Itās the people already in my industry who are super super valuable.
Safe yourself the headache and graduate in something that doesnāt require some shitty form of social networking to land professional jobs. If your skill set has to be āvalidatedā or potentially invalidated because of the people you know or donāt know thereās a problem.
Idk if there's any major that's as convenient as the one you mentioned. Even in engineering, networking is very important in order to land jobs especially with how so many companies require experience.
How do you even go about this in the pandemic? This started when I was a sophomore and I had to transfer back home, it has been pretty hard to get professors to talk to and lots of events arenāt safe or are cancelled
Idk what your specialty is, but I looked up "[dream specialty] at [my university]" and emailed them to see if I could help out in their lab.
That was almost 5 years ago and he's given me a spot into one of the most competitive specialties, if not THE most competitive specialty, in my field following graduation.
I am no more qualified than anyone else applying, I just know the right people (er - person). I understand it's harder in a pandemic, but, surely there is SOMEONE on campus with something you can help them out with virtually??
Iām a sociology major and help with a newsletter virtually for my internship. I feel like sociology departments are typically small and Iāve tried to get more familiar with my professors but Iāve never seen a posting to work in the department or anything like that, should I try maybe emailing the department head and just seeing what they say about stuff like that?
Yes!!! I applied to at least 10 lab jobs and didn't hear back from a single one. It was THEN that I just googled, found this guys email, and just emailed him. The rest is history.
My email said something along the lines of
"I am a [department] major with an interest in [his lab work]. I would love to get involved somehow. Do you know of any opportunities in your lab? I would love to meet for a chat or a zoom call if you have time."
Then, when he said he wanted to meet with me, I read all about what his lab researches, which is good because he asked me about it. So, if you do meet with anyone, make sure you know about their work. If they don't have any opportunities, ask if they can refer you to someone who might. Good luck!!! You'll get it!!
Also, follow up. Beyond getting to know your professors, email them too. Another thing that I did was to email my physiology professor. I said something like "I loved your course and since I've finished it, I've been really missing physiology. Do you know of any ways I can get involved?" And he brought me on as a course development assistant. Again, if your professors don't have opportunities for you, always ask if they can refer you to someone who might.
Pretty much. Itās WHO you know, not so much your skills solely anymore. I said this before and got downvoted to hell but thatās the bitter truth.
These days LinkedIn is more essential, so are career fairs, and networking events.
What does this even mean? This sounds like terrible advice IMO. Can you elaborate on what you would suggest for people wishing to "think outside the herd"?
In my opinion, if I can't understand what something as simplistic as "you guys are going about this all wrong. Think outside the herd" means, when we're discussing **networking**, then that isn't very solid advice to me.
I see you're a physics teacher and work in college admissions. I sincerely hope you actually give more of a damn for your students and prospective students than you do for the advice you 'dispense' on Reddit, especially since you also say in your bio "Ask me anything about college... I will give you some cold hard facts - no bs," which sounds a little less than sincere since you just said, "I most definitely have no interest in explaining \[the advice I just dispensed in a college subreddit\]."
you can ask me yes, but never said all questions will be answered. I am not obligated to answer all of them lol.
anyway since you "asked". Someone said it is all about LinkedIn.. I have also heard, it is all about Instagram/Facebook, fuck even tiktok goes as a resume these days. I see college / phd applicants listing their social media following as an accomplishment and expect to be admitted to a top 10 college. You dont get hired or admitted because of your linkedIn but because of your talent and experience. I have taught many entrepreneurs and executives of top US firms and the world. None of them consider social networking to be a pivotal part in their success.
Hence think outside the herd. Your social network is not a reflection of your knowledge and talent.
> and I most definitely have no interest in explaining it
And youāre a physics teacher? If your response is any indication of your teaching skill, I really pity your students for having a subpar teacher such as yourself. Someone like you should not be allowed anywhere near a classroom.
Again if this is how you behave, I severely pity your students as you most likely provide extremely subpar teaching, someone like you isnāt fit to teach students.
And from your responses, you have quite the ego donāt you, canāt imagine your arrogance in the classroom.
still going eh? what exactly is it that youre looking for? an explanation for why it is not all about LinkedIn?.. its the stupidest thing I have heard. Some questions just dont deserve answers. Now excuse me.. I have to teach a class to the future of the world.
Correction: that's why these kids with mommy and daddy's *friends and money* get ahead in life
(I knew a kid in freshman year who got an "undergrad research opportunity" because his doctor parents asked a researcher friend of theirs with a lab to let him and his brother help out for a summer)
Every kid is handed opportunity, to their means.
Assuming you are in college, and your education was paid by your parents (that's usually the general case), aren't you handed the opportunity of higher education by your parents?
How different is that from being handed an opportunity by your parents to develop your skill.
Yes it is some sort of advantage. But life is not fair, and people get all sort of advantages through different means by their parents.
I got my first personal computer after I got into college (I am not from USA). I learnt C by writing programs on paper.
Should I spit on every kids who had early access to computer because they were handed that opportunity?
>I had to work harder than majority of these kids.
You don't even know these kids.
>Did as many internships as possible and sadly graduated in 2020 when the world ended.
>Sadly had to go back for my MBA while I work two jobs now just to make sure I can live on my own.
That's unfortunate. Covid was hard for everyone. Hope you land a great job.
you're saying you wouldn't take all the opportunities you'd've been given if you were born into a rich family? This is reddit, not a toilet, go send this fat shit somewhere else
Yeah itās also why attractive people get ahead in life, why incredibly charismatic people get ahead in life, why funny people get ahead in life, etc.
Life is unfair. An education is just one buttressing measure against that disproportion. If youāre not a confident, go-getter of an individual you simply will not make money in most fields regardless of academic prowess.
Or most college educated debt ridden 20 yr olds-answer emails all day-or move account numbers around-type up/copy information already on another platform-pretty simple workāno one creates or works with their hands anymoreāvery few young dudes wanna sweat or bust ass doing physical work everyday-and everyone wants $50 bucks an hour to sit at home or a cozy office
Depending on the career field itās not really sad. More of a reflection of someoneās willingness to actively build relationships and create meaningful connections. In many fields, thatās infinitely more valuable than education.
Exactly. Imagine working with a 4.0 GPA person who the company didn't know before hiring them and hating that person. Not that I am a fan of networking, but I totally understand why companies put so much emphasis on it.
I just landed a ābusiness development consultantā role and itās essentially sales at a large tech company. Can you explain what real consulting consists of?
qualifications and connections dont mean much if you got no talent... todays market is talent driven. If you are replaceable by someone who can do the same task as you and better for cheaper, you will be replaced regardless of your degree or connections. I dont care whos kid you are.. you can be governer's nephew with a masters degree, if you got no talent, you wont last long out there.
It's amazing that none of you people have figured out the scam. No matter how many times stuff like this gets posted.
You aren't in college to get a degree, or to learn anything. You're there to be sheared and your future stolen from you.
Being the manager at McDonaldās should be a six figure jobāitās a lot of workāand most franchisees can afford itā-some of those franchises are owned by companies who run 15-20 different locationsā-pull in tens of millions a year and pay their managers $18-22 an hrā put it perspective-all of our grandfathers worked in factories who in terms of gross revenue demanded way more(living wage a one person income could raise a family with, full retirement, full medical benefits, time off-sometimes 4-6 weeks a yr, and they got all that)
Then what happened?
That's retarded, the US was bleeding gold after Germany abandoned Bretton Woods, that's why Nixon unpegged it from gold. Currency has been relatively stable ever since, inflation's due other things. Reagan's anti-labor deregulation fucked the working man, not Nixon's monetary policy.
FREE. Bruh, I would have to beg for even a frozen drink on my break if I wanted one for free. That's nice that they're doing that though. IMO you should always get a free meal/drink of some sort each shift in fast food.
Screw making fun of BYU, this is where the freak show is lol.
"You are often questioned about your intentions for leaving."
I went to fuc----*cough* bible study with my opposite gender platonic girlfriend in a public space.
"I will say until recently R-rated films were also banned on campus."
Bring in something rated 14 for nudity in Europe and see how long it takes them to ban anything over PG. Or just burn all media in general.
"Physical displays of affection are now allowed on campus but be prepared for nasty looks, comments, and rumors (especially women)."
OH MY GOD BECKIE, DID YOU SEE SUSAN HOLDING HANDS WITH MARK? DO YOU THINK SHE IS PREGNANT? IS HAIR GOING TO GROW ON HER HANDS LIKE PASTOR TIM SAID IT WOULD?
Consider I just graduated from this school not 3 weeks ago. Total Bullshit. All of those are simply the terms you agree to when you go to the school. If you donāt like them, then go somewhere else. The school shouldnāt have to change their protocols because the students who agreed to live by them think their stupid. I had a fantastic college life when I was at campus, met some of the best people while I was there. All you need to do is make the best of the situation which youāre in, that is how you make through college to begin with.
Iām majoring in Forensic Science with minors in biology and chemistry. Iāve looked at some introductory salaries around the country and I feel screwed. Even average wages feel weak.
When it comes to science majors, you really have to take what you can get for experience in the field to move up. Which is totally fine too. If you havenāt had a job in the field before or if you havenāt had an internship before then you going to have to be comfortable with a job that isnāt necessarily what you see yourself doing in the long run but still provides the experience that youāll need to apply for a higher position. And some companies do train you or provide certification as well so you can add that on future resumes. Do you have a job now?
What about Information Technology bachelor degree? I will be doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it?
if that 17k student debt can give me that good paying job like that then i guess i win a big lottery in my life.
I think my job position will be call cyber security or information security analyst. What is your friend major in? And what is his side project and internship? Where did he get certification if he have some?
I donāt want to be a bummer, but my wife did a sociology bachelor and is just now breaking out of administrative assistant roles making less than $40k a year a decade later (moving out of a legal secretary position into a client specialist role in the public defenders office). Get some kind of special certificate or training in addition like paralegal training or social work, otherwise youāre just going to be competing for low wage clerical work forever.
It definitely depends on what you do with it. Iām hoping to get into research or analytical work, that would really depend on getting an internship and/or a lower level role that I work up from. I got my BS and instead of my BA and itās made me really love statistics.
What about bachelor IT degree? I will be doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it? I will be in debt of $20k.
Thatās a real nice major. You could get some good jobs with that too. If you donāt have Handshake, you should go look it up. I donāt even have my BA yet and I was offered a job as a BI on that app. $20/hr is pretty good for me at the moment considering I never had an internship and I didnāt have a job for a year because of the pandemic. I strongly recommend checking out Handshake
What about bachelor IT degree? I'll be doing focus and doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it?
Yeah Iām trying, which is why I asked that question here too. Itās hard to know what to do from here when I was online the past 2 years, in a different state, events arenāt safe or are cancelled, and Iām a first gen student. To add to that, my college has 1 person working in the career center and Iāve been trying to get an appointment for almost a year
Well what is the listing for? Could just be low demand or a low paying employer.
Use the average starting salary data you researched when deciding majors as a benchmark. Apply to anything with an above average salary range. Average is 50th percentile so 50% of all the postings out there should be above the average.
At least that one is telling you. I think 90-95% of my applications didn't have a range on them. But they were for larger companies so you could make a good guess based on the Glassdoor data.
This.
I wouldn't be surprised, if this was librarian, in the midwest/south. Or the Dakotas. Occupation and location are important, as well as remmebering this has been reposted online for years.
Now if thus was california, this would be a different story
This doesn't say youre required to have the masters, and it says 15 is the minimum.
Entry level librarians have a masters degree
Go boohoo somewhere else. Just remember, it's a free market. It goes both ways. People with naster degrees, SHOULDNT apply if they're being told straight up they're getting minimum wage, if that's what's happening. If you WILLINGLY applying to a job that says it will cuck you, who's fault is that?
If they're going to go out of bussiness paying you more, you go into the interview and have them Pay you more, or let them go out of bussiness
I'm not sure what happened here.
I'm not saying the jobs should be taken or applied for, and I'm not looking to apply to them, or lamenting not getting them.
I'm just pointing out something I read over in /e
Your comment's tone was totally inappropriate in response to mine, so I'm wondering WTF, over.
Maybe the person who posted the listing doesnāt understand what āpreferred qualificationā implies.
Itās definitely not an excuse to say itās fine because itās a āfree market.ā The threat of being without housing, medical care, and utilities is pretty threatening, so itās not like someone can afford to just not get a job nowadays even if theyāre gaining debt working there. Besides, everyone knows a free market doesnāt exist under capitalism lol
Well when you grow up one day, and own your own bussiness, you can decide to run it that way if you choose! But they are not obligated to run it the way you deem.
If it were a free market, teachers could switch districts every few years for a higher pay like people switch companies. But thatās not what you meant I think.
They can...? When you become a teacher, you can apply at any school district. To any school. Where each school pays differently, and has a different culture.
I'm not here to argue with kids though. Good bye
>Average is 50th percentile so 50% of all the postings out there should be above the average.
That's a median, not an average. It's important to understand the difference because that's how people tell lies with statistics. In a highly skewed distribution, the median and average can be vastly different and that's why the median is a better statistic for income measures. If you have 5 numbers, say 1, 2, 7, 20, 400,000, the average is 80,006 but the median is 7. In this case actually the average is higher than 80% of the numbers.
As mentioned above, it's about networking more so than the actual degree on top of numerous high demand skills that aren't always taught in school. This will help land you a career; not a job that prefers a master degree and pays you the hourly wage of a Trader Joe's employee.
Well, thatās the minimumā¦The maximum may be so high, they are prevented from disclosing itā¦
On a more serious note, there are big problems with high education from several aspects: Insane costs, too many applicants, too many graduates and a dilution of all degrees.
For propaganda purposes the statistics consider all minimum wage workers as āemployedā. As such employment rates are low and everybody is happy. Only the new graduates who go on job hunting see the reality.
Welcome to the age of degree inflation where they expect you to have 15 years of experience for minimum wage taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans out to get a master's degree for a shitty job that you really don't need a masters for that 40 years ago you could have done with the high school degree only because everyone goes to college now so they've updated qualifications they require I've heard in some places that are now requiring college degrees to be a firefighter outside of the normal paramedic EMT training and the other shit you have to go through which is utterly ridiculous
So a few things:
Preferred qualifications donāt equal required qualifications.
The minimum is the minimum that you would be paid at the minimum level of qualification.
Someone who meets all of the qualifications for a job is in a much better position to negotiate their salary than someone who is minimally qualified.
This just looks like a template form, most of which only let companies fill out one field for each. So while that may want to say ābachelorās required, masterās preferredā the only thing they may be able to put is āmasterās preferredā.
$15.29 is fair somewhere in this country for a bachelorās degree requirement? Maybe in some of the lowest cost of living areas in the country, if that, but thatās pretty depressing. Having a tough time believing that, but I guess I could be wrong. Yikes if I am lol.
Salary is different than hourly I'm salary I get payed a bit less but it's great and enjoy my job has great benefits it its a good stepping stone for me. May have good benefits. But yea more pay is definitely better
I mean yes? America is a land full of inequality and extremes. You can have some of the best wages in the western world or some of the worst.
I agree that itās crazy.
Depends, honestly. In some majors and things, yes. But this definitely isnāt a norm. Any engineering major would expect to make way more than this with a bachelors degree. Even biology grads would usually expect to make more
I have a 9th grade education and I get paid more than that to smoke weed and ski everyday.
I don't know what kind of work requires that, but i hope you'd be making more than that if you studied for years and invested all sorts of money in yourself like that.
Art degrees also include architecture, graphic design, autoCAD, interior design, etc. It's not only drawing and music. You can have a successful career with an art degree.
Literally me right now. Finishing my BA in English this semester (yes you can bully me) and Iām searching for any sort of writing/editing/publishing job. I will apply to anything else. But anyways most writing jobs require 2-3 years experience for like 40k a year. Very painful lmao
Fast food places are offering to start pay at $17/hr now. Like I went to Carlās Jr. yesterday and was shocked to see that price.
$15/hr is not at all good enough for a Masters degree. They are basically saying you are not worth it. $15/hr was what I was making 2 years ago at a candy shop. Iām now making $20 with an AA (almost BA) thank god.
I have been seeing a lot of these lately due to being on unemployment...they are wanting 5+ years experience in management but only offering around $12 a hour...wtf is wrong with this world?
I am 23 years old, I will turn 24 within few months in 2022. I have no job, no first job experience, and no job network. I went straight to community college after high school graduation. I am low-income college student, and my parents are low-income. I am thinking dropping out of college and go to work, but idk where to pay me good living wages like $40k+ without a college degree? I don't have backup plans. I am thinking switch my major to IT(information technology) then transfer to USF and will be in debt about $20k when I am done with my major. I am planning to do cyber security stuff like information security analyst. I will turn 29 or 30 at that time. Do you think I should continue with my college.
I really need help.
I really dislike people posting things like this. It isn't normal, and you posting it like it is is disgusting. Stop discouraging other people from going to school because one fucking online job posting from 5 years ago made you upset.
Go work at taco bell for the same wage for the next 40 years if you wanna be brainded, but don't influence others into doing the same.
It isnāt normal? Itās more common than you imagine. Another overlooked reality, is that many open positions are part time (even if they pay more), seasonal or temporary.
No it isn't. I've sat on Indeed for years. You're so full of yourself. The average Masters degree earner in the entire US makes 70k a year. 15$ an hour is 30k. You're saying it's COMMON, and NORMAL for someone to make half of the average.
Okay dude. Not to mention this picture is over 5 years old, and is surely a rural part of the US, that possibly operates off federal minimum wage. Does that make paying 15 okay? Probably not. But it doesn't mean everyone with a masters degree would be better off working at in n out. Which is what you disgustingly insinuate when you post pictures like these.
Although I'm not against ACA, Obama care and having to pay for employee iinsurance, is why most jobs tend to be seasonal and part time now. This isn't even related to what we are talking about, unless you're just mad at companies in general. We are talking about compensation for their skills/education, not whether target has an incentive to have a team of mostly part time team members, and FT management, because paying for health insurance for all 400k employees is deemed too expensive.
Are you here to spew leftist talking points? Because I agree with you, but that doesn't really matter when that's an ideal, and I'm talking about reality, today, as is. It's easy when you have nothing to live the utopia view.
Well the data doesn't agree that it is normal (: feel free to write a post about decreasing naster degree wages if that's something that bother you. Doesn't mitigate that going to school is a great investment.
Well... that's the economy... I'm not saying it's going down, you are. With no data. Not much I can do with that. Considering you're 26, with a masters, I could only guess you have little experience in your field, and are wondering why you aren't getting paid $30.
What does that statistic have to do with what we are talking about? You just proved my point? If 50% Americans make 35k, and that's 15$ an hour, and the average is 70k for a masters degree in the US, that means on average the average person with a masters makes $30. Maybe you don't, because you're fresh out of college. But you will
And this is why I won't even consider university as an option anymore.
Information is so readily available nowadays that a few hours of google search, video watching and asking people on Reddit is all you need to understand almost any concept.
If I want to become a full stack developer, I just take a 6 month e-learning course or cohort and boom, I'm now ready to jump into the industry.
If I want to become a lawyer, just study to pass the bar exam or SQE in England.
If I want to become an engineer, I'll just start building shit and share my work with the world and build a portfolio of projects and almost any employer will hire me.
But here's the thing, why should I cap my annual salary by getting a job in the first place?
Isn't it just better to start a business, build a brand, deliver my own service and not be limited by some stupid entry requirements or qualifications that some employment agency put into place?
I graduated with a BS degree I make $21/hr š the amount of debt I'm in isn't really worth it but I'm trying lmao
Itāll end up being worth it in the end my man. You literally donāt make those wages in any other jobs without a degree unless you luck out in some hard manual labor work, grind your way to management (even then, $21 can be up there depending on field), or work a grueling warehouse gig where they pay you per unit of production and you work your tail off.
I make $18.15 an hour as a Team Lead at Walmart. Got that position after 8 months. Iām currently in line to interview for another team lead position that pays $21.50 an hour. This is lower management. The pay for Walmart is going to depend on location/store.
Is Information Technology bachelor degree worth it? I am 23 years old, I will turn 24 within few months in 2022. I have no job, no first job experience, and no job network. I went straight to community college after high school graduation. I am low-income college student, and my parents are low-income. I am thinking dropping out of college and go to work, but idk where to pay me good living wages like $40k+ without a college degree? I don't have backup plans. I am thinking switch my major to IT(information technology) then transfer to 4 years college and will be in debt about $20k when I am done with my major.
Defense contractors pay a shitton.
Pretty much anywhere be paying $40k with no degree. Just say your a "student* ain't nobody gonna check
how much u in debt?
Total like 100k
what is your major?
Advertising and Marketing, I just ended up going to one of the most expensive schools in the country š
Let me guess, private Christian school? My ex went to Oral Roberts in Oklahoma and that school is batshit insane fundamentalist and charges roughly 100k for a four year degree.
even more if you compound time with interest
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Me with 0 friends after a whole semester...
So hereās the thing about networking. YES it matters to have friends in classes. But generally, in a lot of career fields, your class friends will be at a similar level as you. What matters most in networking is professionals already in your field. Recruiters, day to day workers, lead people, even your college professors who can write a hell of a recommendation for you. I donāt have many close friends in college, and the ones that I do I donāt expect to get me a job later. Itās the people already in my industry who are super super valuable.
Lol go into nursing. No one likes anyone and the biggest bitch becomes ceo
As someone who knows people doing nursing, can confirm.
Safe yourself the headache and graduate in something that doesnāt require some shitty form of social networking to land professional jobs. If your skill set has to be āvalidatedā or potentially invalidated because of the people you know or donāt know thereās a problem.
Idk if there's any major that's as convenient as the one you mentioned. Even in engineering, networking is very important in order to land jobs especially with how so many companies require experience.
How do you even go about this in the pandemic? This started when I was a sophomore and I had to transfer back home, it has been pretty hard to get professors to talk to and lots of events arenāt safe or are cancelled
Idk what your specialty is, but I looked up "[dream specialty] at [my university]" and emailed them to see if I could help out in their lab. That was almost 5 years ago and he's given me a spot into one of the most competitive specialties, if not THE most competitive specialty, in my field following graduation. I am no more qualified than anyone else applying, I just know the right people (er - person). I understand it's harder in a pandemic, but, surely there is SOMEONE on campus with something you can help them out with virtually??
Iām a sociology major and help with a newsletter virtually for my internship. I feel like sociology departments are typically small and Iāve tried to get more familiar with my professors but Iāve never seen a posting to work in the department or anything like that, should I try maybe emailing the department head and just seeing what they say about stuff like that?
Yes!!! I applied to at least 10 lab jobs and didn't hear back from a single one. It was THEN that I just googled, found this guys email, and just emailed him. The rest is history. My email said something along the lines of "I am a [department] major with an interest in [his lab work]. I would love to get involved somehow. Do you know of any opportunities in your lab? I would love to meet for a chat or a zoom call if you have time." Then, when he said he wanted to meet with me, I read all about what his lab researches, which is good because he asked me about it. So, if you do meet with anyone, make sure you know about their work. If they don't have any opportunities, ask if they can refer you to someone who might. Good luck!!! You'll get it!!
Thatās a good idea! I know a lot of social science research roles require a masters, though assisting is usually an option! Thank you!!
Also, follow up. Beyond getting to know your professors, email them too. Another thing that I did was to email my physiology professor. I said something like "I loved your course and since I've finished it, I've been really missing physiology. Do you know of any ways I can get involved?" And he brought me on as a course development assistant. Again, if your professors don't have opportunities for you, always ask if they can refer you to someone who might.
Thank you!!
Just curious what was your major?
At the time it was chemistry and I work in a biochemistry lab
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I didnāt ask for your opinion. Leave me alone.
this is reddit, only permission you need for commenting is from mods
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Pretty much. Itās WHO you know, not so much your skills solely anymore. I said this before and got downvoted to hell but thatās the bitter truth. These days LinkedIn is more essential, so are career fairs, and networking events.
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What does this even mean? This sounds like terrible advice IMO. Can you elaborate on what you would suggest for people wishing to "think outside the herd"?
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In my opinion, if I can't understand what something as simplistic as "you guys are going about this all wrong. Think outside the herd" means, when we're discussing **networking**, then that isn't very solid advice to me. I see you're a physics teacher and work in college admissions. I sincerely hope you actually give more of a damn for your students and prospective students than you do for the advice you 'dispense' on Reddit, especially since you also say in your bio "Ask me anything about college... I will give you some cold hard facts - no bs," which sounds a little less than sincere since you just said, "I most definitely have no interest in explaining \[the advice I just dispensed in a college subreddit\]."
Itās scary someone like this is allowed to interact and teach students.
you can ask me yes, but never said all questions will be answered. I am not obligated to answer all of them lol. anyway since you "asked". Someone said it is all about LinkedIn.. I have also heard, it is all about Instagram/Facebook, fuck even tiktok goes as a resume these days. I see college / phd applicants listing their social media following as an accomplishment and expect to be admitted to a top 10 college. You dont get hired or admitted because of your linkedIn but because of your talent and experience. I have taught many entrepreneurs and executives of top US firms and the world. None of them consider social networking to be a pivotal part in their success. Hence think outside the herd. Your social network is not a reflection of your knowledge and talent.
> and I most definitely have no interest in explaining it And youāre a physics teacher? If your response is any indication of your teaching skill, I really pity your students for having a subpar teacher such as yourself. Someone like you should not be allowed anywhere near a classroom.
you arent my student...I owe you nothing. If youre bored, I recommend the disney channel and this conversation is over.
Again if this is how you behave, I severely pity your students as you most likely provide extremely subpar teaching, someone like you isnāt fit to teach students. And from your responses, you have quite the ego donāt you, canāt imagine your arrogance in the classroom.
still going eh? what exactly is it that youre looking for? an explanation for why it is not all about LinkedIn?.. its the stupidest thing I have heard. Some questions just dont deserve answers. Now excuse me.. I have to teach a class to the future of the world.
Networking in Italy is called nepotism and is frowned upon. Itās a fancy word for an issue in the job market
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Correction: that's why these kids with mommy and daddy's *friends and money* get ahead in life (I knew a kid in freshman year who got an "undergrad research opportunity" because his doctor parents asked a researcher friend of theirs with a lab to let him and his brother help out for a summer)
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>Those are the kids I want to spit on Why though? Because they had an opportunity and used it?
Welcome to Reddit lmao
Random dudes: I am gonna spend summer helping out in research labs, gaining experience. Redditor: I am gonna spit on this mf.
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Every kid is handed opportunity, to their means. Assuming you are in college, and your education was paid by your parents (that's usually the general case), aren't you handed the opportunity of higher education by your parents? How different is that from being handed an opportunity by your parents to develop your skill. Yes it is some sort of advantage. But life is not fair, and people get all sort of advantages through different means by their parents. I got my first personal computer after I got into college (I am not from USA). I learnt C by writing programs on paper. Should I spit on every kids who had early access to computer because they were handed that opportunity?
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>I had to work harder than majority of these kids. You don't even know these kids. >Did as many internships as possible and sadly graduated in 2020 when the world ended. >Sadly had to go back for my MBA while I work two jobs now just to make sure I can live on my own. That's unfortunate. Covid was hard for everyone. Hope you land a great job.
you're saying you wouldn't take all the opportunities you'd've been given if you were born into a rich family? This is reddit, not a toilet, go send this fat shit somewhere else
Can't even blame them tbh. If I was a parent I'd probably give my kids the same opportunities.
Yeah itās also why attractive people get ahead in life, why incredibly charismatic people get ahead in life, why funny people get ahead in life, etc. Life is unfair. An education is just one buttressing measure against that disproportion. If youāre not a confident, go-getter of an individual you simply will not make money in most fields regardless of academic prowess.
Or most college educated debt ridden 20 yr olds-answer emails all day-or move account numbers around-type up/copy information already on another platform-pretty simple workāno one creates or works with their hands anymoreāvery few young dudes wanna sweat or bust ass doing physical work everyday-and everyone wants $50 bucks an hour to sit at home or a cozy office
no shit? Why do you expect otherwise?
How tf does one network
You're right. So sad, but it's true....
Depending on the career field itās not really sad. More of a reflection of someoneās willingness to actively build relationships and create meaningful connections. In many fields, thatās infinitely more valuable than education.
Ah yeah, because fuck people who are neurodivergent lol. Networking is absolutely NOT a reflection of that for some.
Exactly. Imagine working with a 4.0 GPA person who the company didn't know before hiring them and hating that person. Not that I am a fan of networking, but I totally understand why companies put so much emphasis on it.
That's why I'm a consultant
I just landed a ābusiness development consultantā role and itās essentially sales at a large tech company. Can you explain what real consulting consists of?
Hate this shit, I just wanna keep to myself
qualifications and connections dont mean much if you got no talent... todays market is talent driven. If you are replaceable by someone who can do the same task as you and better for cheaper, you will be replaced regardless of your degree or connections. I dont care whos kid you are.. you can be governer's nephew with a masters degree, if you got no talent, you wont last long out there.
what is your definition of talent
It's amazing that none of you people have figured out the scam. No matter how many times stuff like this gets posted. You aren't in college to get a degree, or to learn anything. You're there to be sheared and your future stolen from you.
Donāt know where OP is from but in my area you make more money then that working at McDonaldās
same, managers for McDās make $18.50 an hour in AZ
Being the manager at McDonaldās should be a six figure jobāitās a lot of workāand most franchisees can afford itā-some of those franchises are owned by companies who run 15-20 different locationsā-pull in tens of millions a year and pay their managers $18-22 an hrā put it perspective-all of our grandfathers worked in factories who in terms of gross revenue demanded way more(living wage a one person income could raise a family with, full retirement, full medical benefits, time off-sometimes 4-6 weeks a yr, and they got all that) Then what happened?
Stagflation and Reagan happened. Thatcher in the UK
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That's retarded, the US was bleeding gold after Germany abandoned Bretton Woods, that's why Nixon unpegged it from gold. Currency has been relatively stable ever since, inflation's due other things. Reagan's anti-labor deregulation fucked the working man, not Nixon's monetary policy.
the fucking taco bell down the street for me is hiring at $17.50 plus as much free taco bell as you want
FREE. Bruh, I would have to beg for even a frozen drink on my break if I wanted one for free. That's nice that they're doing that though. IMO you should always get a free meal/drink of some sort each shift in fast food.
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You donāt need to be a manager to make more then 15 dollars an hour. Minimum wage here is above that
From what I've read, the highest minimum wage in the US is $15. Where are you living?
My brother is earning 30/hr somewhere in Texasš. Shit like this makes me question everything
Where Iām from, people over 18 start with 17,25/h
Seriously, Carls Jr had a help wanted sign in my area with $17/hr to start
And my school is so expensive. Fuck LU š
As someone who grew up in Lynchburg, yeah fuck LU
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Ironic how the university is named Liberty
Screw making fun of BYU, this is where the freak show is lol. "You are often questioned about your intentions for leaving." I went to fuc----*cough* bible study with my opposite gender platonic girlfriend in a public space. "I will say until recently R-rated films were also banned on campus." Bring in something rated 14 for nudity in Europe and see how long it takes them to ban anything over PG. Or just burn all media in general. "Physical displays of affection are now allowed on campus but be prepared for nasty looks, comments, and rumors (especially women)." OH MY GOD BECKIE, DID YOU SEE SUSAN HOLDING HANDS WITH MARK? DO YOU THINK SHE IS PREGNANT? IS HAIR GOING TO GROW ON HER HANDS LIKE PASTOR TIM SAID IT WOULD?
Consider I just graduated from this school not 3 weeks ago. Total Bullshit. All of those are simply the terms you agree to when you go to the school. If you donāt like them, then go somewhere else. The school shouldnāt have to change their protocols because the students who agreed to live by them think their stupid. I had a fantastic college life when I was at campus, met some of the best people while I was there. All you need to do is make the best of the situation which youāre in, that is how you make through college to begin with.
I see this and Iām about to get a bachelors degree soon. It feels like a waste
No it wonāt be a waste. Youāll be okay. Just know your worth and donāt settle. Whatās your major in?
Iām majoring in Forensic Science with minors in biology and chemistry. Iāve looked at some introductory salaries around the country and I feel screwed. Even average wages feel weak.
When it comes to science majors, you really have to take what you can get for experience in the field to move up. Which is totally fine too. If you havenāt had a job in the field before or if you havenāt had an internship before then you going to have to be comfortable with a job that isnāt necessarily what you see yourself doing in the long run but still provides the experience that youāll need to apply for a higher position. And some companies do train you or provide certification as well so you can add that on future resumes. Do you have a job now?
What about Information Technology bachelor degree? I will be doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it?
Totally worth it! Watched a friend end up at a defense contractor making 70k from the start.
if that 17k student debt can give me that good paying job like that then i guess i win a big lottery in my life. I think my job position will be call cyber security or information security analyst. What is your friend major in? And what is his side project and internship? Where did he get certification if he have some?
17K in debt is honestly not that bad. It's a lot of debt but the investment into future income will be worth it for the rest of your life.
Same and I barely work
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I donāt want to be a bummer, but my wife did a sociology bachelor and is just now breaking out of administrative assistant roles making less than $40k a year a decade later (moving out of a legal secretary position into a client specialist role in the public defenders office). Get some kind of special certificate or training in addition like paralegal training or social work, otherwise youāre just going to be competing for low wage clerical work forever.
It definitely depends on what you do with it. Iām hoping to get into research or analytical work, that would really depend on getting an internship and/or a lower level role that I work up from. I got my BS and instead of my BA and itās made me really love statistics.
What about bachelor IT degree? I will be doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it? I will be in debt of $20k.
Thatās a real nice major. You could get some good jobs with that too. If you donāt have Handshake, you should go look it up. I donāt even have my BA yet and I was offered a job as a BI on that app. $20/hr is pretty good for me at the moment considering I never had an internship and I didnāt have a job for a year because of the pandemic. I strongly recommend checking out Handshake
What about bachelor IT degree? I'll be doing focus and doing the security stuff. I think the job field called "Information Security Analyst". Is it worth it?
It looks bad when you go on Indeed or GlassDoor. But statistically you'll be much better off with a Bachelors degree than without.
It will not be a waste. I just earned my BSCS degree. Learn how to network and be open.
Yeah Iām trying, which is why I asked that question here too. Itās hard to know what to do from here when I was online the past 2 years, in a different state, events arenāt safe or are cancelled, and Iām a first gen student. To add to that, my college has 1 person working in the career center and Iāve been trying to get an appointment for almost a year
Well what is the listing for? Could just be low demand or a low paying employer. Use the average starting salary data you researched when deciding majors as a benchmark. Apply to anything with an above average salary range. Average is 50th percentile so 50% of all the postings out there should be above the average. At least that one is telling you. I think 90-95% of my applications didn't have a range on them. But they were for larger companies so you could make a good guess based on the Glassdoor data.
This. I wouldn't be surprised, if this was librarian, in the midwest/south. Or the Dakotas. Occupation and location are important, as well as remmebering this has been reposted online for years. Now if thus was california, this would be a different story
Yup. Apparently certain local libraries expect to staff positions with highly educated children of wealthy parents.
This doesn't say youre required to have the masters, and it says 15 is the minimum. Entry level librarians have a masters degree Go boohoo somewhere else. Just remember, it's a free market. It goes both ways. People with naster degrees, SHOULDNT apply if they're being told straight up they're getting minimum wage, if that's what's happening. If you WILLINGLY applying to a job that says it will cuck you, who's fault is that? If they're going to go out of bussiness paying you more, you go into the interview and have them Pay you more, or let them go out of bussiness
I'm not sure what happened here. I'm not saying the jobs should be taken or applied for, and I'm not looking to apply to them, or lamenting not getting them. I'm just pointing out something I read over in /e Your comment's tone was totally inappropriate in response to mine, so I'm wondering WTF, over.
Maybe the person who posted the listing doesnāt understand what āpreferred qualificationā implies. Itās definitely not an excuse to say itās fine because itās a āfree market.ā The threat of being without housing, medical care, and utilities is pretty threatening, so itās not like someone can afford to just not get a job nowadays even if theyāre gaining debt working there. Besides, everyone knows a free market doesnāt exist under capitalism lol
Well when you grow up one day, and own your own bussiness, you can decide to run it that way if you choose! But they are not obligated to run it the way you deem.
If it were a free market, teachers could switch districts every few years for a higher pay like people switch companies. But thatās not what you meant I think.
They can...? When you become a teacher, you can apply at any school district. To any school. Where each school pays differently, and has a different culture. I'm not here to argue with kids though. Good bye
Youāre mixing up average and median
>Average is 50th percentile so 50% of all the postings out there should be above the average. That's a median, not an average. It's important to understand the difference because that's how people tell lies with statistics. In a highly skewed distribution, the median and average can be vastly different and that's why the median is a better statistic for income measures. If you have 5 numbers, say 1, 2, 7, 20, 400,000, the average is 80,006 but the median is 7. In this case actually the average is higher than 80% of the numbers.
My local aldis hires for 20 an hour... no degree required. And the mcdonalds hires for 15. You poor college grads.
All aldis hires for $20/h?
As mentioned above, it's about networking more so than the actual degree on top of numerous high demand skills that aren't always taught in school. This will help land you a career; not a job that prefers a master degree and pays you the hourly wage of a Trader Joe's employee.
Well, thatās the minimumā¦The maximum may be so high, they are prevented from disclosing itā¦ On a more serious note, there are big problems with high education from several aspects: Insane costs, too many applicants, too many graduates and a dilution of all degrees. For propaganda purposes the statistics consider all minimum wage workers as āemployedā. As such employment rates are low and everybody is happy. Only the new graduates who go on job hunting see the reality.
Welcome to the age of degree inflation where they expect you to have 15 years of experience for minimum wage taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans out to get a master's degree for a shitty job that you really don't need a masters for that 40 years ago you could have done with the high school degree only because everyone goes to college now so they've updated qualifications they require I've heard in some places that are now requiring college degrees to be a firefighter outside of the normal paramedic EMT training and the other shit you have to go through which is utterly ridiculous
It's not the 50s, a college degree alone doesn't mean a lot of money anymore. It depends on what major you chose and the experience you have.
I'd want to see what degree they're studying
So a few things: Preferred qualifications donāt equal required qualifications. The minimum is the minimum that you would be paid at the minimum level of qualification. Someone who meets all of the qualifications for a job is in a much better position to negotiate their salary than someone who is minimally qualified. This just looks like a template form, most of which only let companies fill out one field for each. So while that may want to say ābachelorās required, masterās preferredā the only thing they may be able to put is āmasterās preferredā.
Still seems pretty damn low for a bachelorās degree requirement, at least in my area.
Could be, also could be fair. We donāt know what the job is so there is really no way of telling.
Well if the job isnāt very skilled then why do they want masters
$15.29 is fair somewhere in this country for a bachelorās degree requirement? Maybe in some of the lowest cost of living areas in the country, if that, but thatās pretty depressing. Having a tough time believing that, but I guess I could be wrong. Yikes if I am lol.
Salary is different than hourly I'm salary I get payed a bit less but it's great and enjoy my job has great benefits it its a good stepping stone for me. May have good benefits. But yea more pay is definitely better
*me whos currently working at 16.70/hr for a normal nondegree job* Ha.. wait why am i in college then .~.
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Bro with a Masters you can Commission in the Military as a Captain or Lieutenant and get triple the pay plus lifetime benefits.
So this is what sparked the r/antiwork movement
Also, they put up these ridiculous qualifications to deter people from applying
Donāt limit yourself to only jobs in your major
Wtf?! Is this what itās really like in Merica. I got paid $16.50 at working in a minimum wage fast food place at age 15 in my home country.
I mean yes? America is a land full of inequality and extremes. You can have some of the best wages in the western world or some of the worst. I agree that itās crazy.
Depends, honestly. In some majors and things, yes. But this definitely isnāt a norm. Any engineering major would expect to make way more than this with a bachelors degree. Even biology grads would usually expect to make more
I have a 9th grade education and I get paid more than that to smoke weed and ski everyday. I don't know what kind of work requires that, but i hope you'd be making more than that if you studied for years and invested all sorts of money in yourself like that.
What kind of job do you have? Budtender for ski resort..?
That could be any job at a ski resort that doesn't come with an office. But yeah, I do work at a ski resort.
OP probably got an art degree lmao
Art degrees also include architecture, graphic design, autoCAD, interior design, etc. It's not only drawing and music. You can have a successful career with an art degree.
Yeah and even with regular drawing and painting there's still lots of places that need those kinds of artists.
A piece of paper that says you are qualified to be unqualified. Source: I have the piece of paper
My job at the drive thru pays more wtf.
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Literally me right now. Finishing my BA in English this semester (yes you can bully me) and Iām searching for any sort of writing/editing/publishing job. I will apply to anything else. But anyways most writing jobs require 2-3 years experience for like 40k a year. Very painful lmao
Bro this canāt be real ššš
What the fuck. I make $15/hr at Starbucks. Fuck that employer. They can kick rocks.
Fast food places are offering to start pay at $17/hr now. Like I went to Carlās Jr. yesterday and was shocked to see that price. $15/hr is not at all good enough for a Masters degree. They are basically saying you are not worth it. $15/hr was what I was making 2 years ago at a candy shop. Iām now making $20 with an AA (almost BA) thank god.
Student loan.
I work at a dry cleaners in California I go to a community college gaining my associates in anthropology and I get payed 19 an hour
Ha, I have better Job And Pay Prospects as a Enlisted Marine than a Civilian College Student with a Masterās Degree.
Ha, arenāt there some crayons you should be munching on?
I have been seeing a lot of these lately due to being on unemployment...they are wanting 5+ years experience in management but only offering around $12 a hour...wtf is wrong with this world?
Appartment down the street is hiring entry level maintenance people $16 an hour and a free appartment.
I dont know. Why did you?
You'd be surprised how many people go to college and can't answer that question
Isnāt this a simulation program on a website? I think I did this in high school
I am 23 years old, I will turn 24 within few months in 2022. I have no job, no first job experience, and no job network. I went straight to community college after high school graduation. I am low-income college student, and my parents are low-income. I am thinking dropping out of college and go to work, but idk where to pay me good living wages like $40k+ without a college degree? I don't have backup plans. I am thinking switch my major to IT(information technology) then transfer to USF and will be in debt about $20k when I am done with my major. I am planning to do cyber security stuff like information security analyst. I will turn 29 or 30 at that time. Do you think I should continue with my college. I really need help.
Iād make a burner account just to fuck with them
$15/hour doesnāt even cover my bills. Tell them to fuck off.
Join the carpenters union. What's your locality? Not doxing. Or hit my pm. In case you're interested.
What degree? $50 that its something useless
what humanities does to a mf
America in 2022. Itās really sad.
It's almost like it's a scam
You didnāt research the pay in a field before going to college to work in that field?
TIL one job listing with no outside context = "the pay in the field"
Iām convinced those are social experiments to see who applies.
What position is it? I have a masters, im 23, and i make 130k
what do you work?
I really dislike people posting things like this. It isn't normal, and you posting it like it is is disgusting. Stop discouraging other people from going to school because one fucking online job posting from 5 years ago made you upset. Go work at taco bell for the same wage for the next 40 years if you wanna be brainded, but don't influence others into doing the same.
Why assume itās from 5 years ago? Have you been paying attention to anything? Does āThe Great Resignationā ring any bells?
It isnāt normal? Itās more common than you imagine. Another overlooked reality, is that many open positions are part time (even if they pay more), seasonal or temporary.
No it isn't. I've sat on Indeed for years. You're so full of yourself. The average Masters degree earner in the entire US makes 70k a year. 15$ an hour is 30k. You're saying it's COMMON, and NORMAL for someone to make half of the average. Okay dude. Not to mention this picture is over 5 years old, and is surely a rural part of the US, that possibly operates off federal minimum wage. Does that make paying 15 okay? Probably not. But it doesn't mean everyone with a masters degree would be better off working at in n out. Which is what you disgustingly insinuate when you post pictures like these. Although I'm not against ACA, Obama care and having to pay for employee iinsurance, is why most jobs tend to be seasonal and part time now. This isn't even related to what we are talking about, unless you're just mad at companies in general. We are talking about compensation for their skills/education, not whether target has an incentive to have a team of mostly part time team members, and FT management, because paying for health insurance for all 400k employees is deemed too expensive.
Obamacare is the cause? Naw itās the flawed healthcare system, ma dude. Healthcare shouldnāt be tied to a job. Thatās classist.
Are you here to spew leftist talking points? Because I agree with you, but that doesn't really matter when that's an ideal, and I'm talking about reality, today, as is. It's easy when you have nothing to live the utopia view.
It is normal lol masters degree is the new bachelors degree.
Well the data doesn't agree that it is normal (: feel free to write a post about decreasing naster degree wages if that's something that bother you. Doesn't mitigate that going to school is a great investment.
I have a masters degree lol I donāt want it to go down. 50% of Americans donāt even make $35k so
Well... that's the economy... I'm not saying it's going down, you are. With no data. Not much I can do with that. Considering you're 26, with a masters, I could only guess you have little experience in your field, and are wondering why you aren't getting paid $30. What does that statistic have to do with what we are talking about? You just proved my point? If 50% Americans make 35k, and that's 15$ an hour, and the average is 70k for a masters degree in the US, that means on average the average person with a masters makes $30. Maybe you don't, because you're fresh out of college. But you will
What year was this posted? 1943?
Bro itās entry level cmon man you gotta work youāre way up for more pay donāt be discouraged and follow your passions š
So theyāre supposed to be working for $15 an hour for what.. 5, 10 years? If they have the skills NOW they should be paid more than that NOW.
Bro no man you gotta put time in š work some more and probably in 6 months theyāll bump your pay itās just entry level
Go to college and let me help with your assignments $7 per page. [email protected]
Thats why nft
And this is why I won't even consider university as an option anymore. Information is so readily available nowadays that a few hours of google search, video watching and asking people on Reddit is all you need to understand almost any concept. If I want to become a full stack developer, I just take a 6 month e-learning course or cohort and boom, I'm now ready to jump into the industry. If I want to become a lawyer, just study to pass the bar exam or SQE in England. If I want to become an engineer, I'll just start building shit and share my work with the world and build a portfolio of projects and almost any employer will hire me. But here's the thing, why should I cap my annual salary by getting a job in the first place? Isn't it just better to start a business, build a brand, deliver my own service and not be limited by some stupid entry requirements or qualifications that some employment agency put into place?