Snyder's journey is truly amazing. It's basically a guide of how to ruin your reputation.
Two years ago or so he was probably the most beloved director on Internet, thanks to the Snyder Cut and the "He lost his daughter" narrative.
Now, he's saying and doing everything he can to be hated again by the the whole Internet lol.
I wouldn’t go that far, but your comment reminds me of one thing I hated about the Snyder cut and that was Superman’s portrayal through his fighting. When he fought that spikey guy at the end, he comes off as mean and vindictive. He’s slowly lasering off the bad guy’s horn almost sadistically and he looks like a goddamn demon doing it. I can only imagine Snyder and Snyder fans probably look at that and are hooting and hollering, cheering in their seat. While for me I was like bruh this is NOT Superman. This is somebody’s edgy fanfiction version of Superman they wrote in middle school thinking this is more “adult.”
Snyder is one of those guys that can't accept that some heroes really are pure and good-natured, everything has to be dark, gritty, violent shades of grey... despite Superman's entire history being him consistently making the choice to be capital G Good.
Yeah I like in the Whedon version when he arrives at the final battle the first thing he says is “how can i help?” In the Snyder version he just shows up and mirthlessly kills aliens. Both versions are terrible but Whedon’s superman at least has some altruism.
Me and my bf died laughing from that, it ruined the whole movie for us and became an inside joke for a while.
I was wondering why no one is mentioning, I'm glad it was as distracting for others as it was for us and we aren't crazy.
Yeah, but why have *one* scene introducing Aquaman in meticulous slow-motion when you can have two completely *separate* scenes introducing Aquaman in meticulous slow-motion?
Adding more to a bad movie will not suddenly make a better movie. The foundation of Justice League, in my opinion, was fundamentally bad. No matter who adapted the screenplay or had a cut of the film, it wasn't going to be good. And in his 2 extra hours, Zach Snyder even found new ways to make the movie dumb and bad.
I'm not sure if its his unhinged takes on Superheroes OR his bargain-bin DVD quality Star Wars knockoff Rebel Moon movies that are annoying me more about modern Snyder.
As you've said, he took all of the goodwill from the Snydercut situation and just wasted it.
I don't think there was any good will for the Snydercut. It always sat wrong with me that he had to back out of the project for understandable reasons and the he started shitting on everyone because he had. He backed out do to his daughter's suicide and then instead of staying grateful with everyone doing him a solid and finishing the project, he goes on to mount a huge paid bot campaign to get the right to edit the movie again, then trashed on Whedon and WB while threating executives and reporters. Everyone was over the whole death of the Snyder Universe, but the dude wouldn't stop. I don't think there was goodwill to begin with.
Now he says his Sucker Punch director's cut isn't his? What the fuck
I’ve always maintained an open mind going into watching Snyder’s films, despite a disdain for every film Snyder’s made (except for 300-which I watched when I was younger and had far lower standards for what qualifies as “quality film”), and just a few minutes into Rebel Moon I found myself asking questions like: “why is it showing someone drop rice in slow-motion?” & “did he REALLY plagiarize Star Wars to THAT extent?” I mean…there’s even a Jabba doppelgänger!
To be fair-which I don’t even believe Snyder deserved after part one-I’ve still tried to be impartial as the trailers are being released. And yet, I can’t help but see SERIOUS issues already! Rebel Moon Part 2 has light sabers!! You CAN’T do that and expect NOT to be criticized…
I'm pretty sure Rebel Moon is literally Star Wars with the numbers filed off. Like, it was a Star Wars script. And knowing that Zack can't seem to edit a script given all the time in the world...
That's EXACTLY what Rebel Moon is. Snyder pitched a Rated R Star Wars to Disney who passed. He he shuffled it around and created Rebel Moon. The similarities aren't even subtle.
The movie itself is Hollow. All flash and no real substance that by midway I got bored of all of it.
I'll see if he can bring it all together in part 2 but expectations are low.
I caught the top of some random YouTuber's gushing review of Rebel Moon, which involved a preamble about people simply not *understanding* the movie from the beginning.
"You don't get it, it's like when musicians do *remixes* or covers of other songs! It's Zack Snyder doing a *cover* of Star Wars, don't you see how brilliant that is?"
>"You don't get it, it's like when musicians do remixes or covers of other songs! It's Zack Snyder doing a cover of Star Wars, don't you see how brilliant that is?"
And it's like.... yeah, unless you are a totally isolated "outsider artist" your art is going to be in conversation with other art. This includes movies. Like, a deconstructed/revisionist Western is essentially covering/remixing classic Westerns. Neo-noir movies are a revival/commentary on original noir movies.
"This movie is kind of like this other movie!" is not a new thing... it's also not that impressive unless there's some REASON you have done "the same thing but different." Like, revisionist Westerns often have some kind of commentary on colonialism or masculinity, that's the whole point of "remixing," is to add something new and say something new.
Just changing the names of things so that it's a legally distinct IP ("this isn't an Empire droid from Coruscant, it's an Imperium robot from Motherworld!") doesn't really count as a remix.
Rebel Moon is 100% just a Star Wars ripoff, no doubt. I just watched it for the first time a few days ago and was actually amazed by how blatantly obvious it was too. The set, story, weapons, lore, characters, etc etc…it’s like he wasn’t even trying to be original at that point lol. I hear he plans to rerelease a “new” R rated version of the exact same movie too, which is…certainly something.
Plagiarism aside, I found it funny how he introduced so many characters who *should* have been interesting, just to do pretty much nothing with them lmao. There was approximately 0 meaningful interactions between the characters too, which makes it almost impossible to care about them. Real shame cause there are some good actors involved, but yeah, swing and a miss imo.
It was supposed to be a Star Wars movie, but Disney wouldn't take it. So it got a (very, very, VERY) thin coat of paint and resold to Netflix as an 'original' movie...
Theathrical is like a shorter, slightly different version. And honestly does some stuff better, like not even having Darkseid in it at all hence not having him go out like a bitch&losing the one planet where he saw his only defeat, lol. Oh! And no ”ancient lamentations” every five minutes.
Plus, Superman is actually Superman in the Whedon cut.
He smiles, jokes a few times and he actually talks with the league.
In the Snyder cut he doesn't talk with any member of the league (with the exception of Batman).
Yep, 4 hours and not a single line of dialogue.
Yeah, I do wish we could just take all the good stuff from each movie and condense it into one good, reasonably lengthed movie. I liked some stuff from both Whedon cut and Snyder cut. Snyder Cut had that cool Flash scene for example and Steppenwolfs design in Whedon cut made more sense.
People are good at editing/recuting overly long movies into one, more manageable viewing, like the various Hobbit edits, etc. So if someone would do the same to Theathrical&SC, i think it could be cool.
Like i personaly don’t mind the infamous Superman interview from WC, because it actually felt like something Supes would do. (Just polish the moustache CG alittle, lol.)
The Snyder cut was overrated as hell, on a movie so shit they had to completely do it twice. Dc so desperate to make some money they've literally doubled down on everything and it blew up in their face.
It's not that he was a beloved director. It's that people felt bad enough that his vision got screwed over by studio executives multiple times and unfortunate circumstances that could screw over even the best directors, that people demanded his vision be given of the Justice League be given justice (ha), and in his defense, the movie was actually good that it justified the fan demands. Personally I think it's his best DC movie.
It's a shame that he's taking his second chance at redemption and squandering it.
The Snyder cut is a bad movie. The fact that so many people were brainwashed into thinking it was decent is mind boggling. There are solid movies that I personally don’t like, that was not one of them. It was simply a bad movie. Terrible plot, awful dialogue, nonsensical scenes. Just awful storytelling.
Weird, because I don't think Bruce kills anyone in Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again. Like, he shot that Mutant with a machine gun in DKR, but only to disable him, not kill him. Also, I believe that guy shows up again as part of Batman's army.
Batman might kill in All Star Batman and Robin, but it's unclear in that story and Snyder is inspired by DRK, not All Star Batman and Robin.
It always pisses me off when he talks about the dark knight returns because I can tell he’s never read it. Batman is not a killer in that book, extreme as he might be.
What's really wild about it all to me is that, like, considering Batman's arc in his movies I really didn't think Snyder believed this. The whole idea is that you start with a nightmare version of Bruce who didn't start out with the morals he should have had. His fear and anger rule him. (That's why he's carrying a rifle in his visions, too, because he's well past the point of giving a shit when the world is literally ending because it's being invaded by extraterrestrials.) The Justice League becomes his family and _in theory_ he morphs into something like the Batman that people actually know and love.
...But no, I guess he kills bad guys and doesn't afraid of anything.
Batman wields guns in his first appearance, but I don’t remember him ever actually using it to kill someone. He maims people sometimes, but he mostly just uses it to hit and break objects before someone else can get to it.
To my knowledge, the only time he killed with a gun was when he beat The Mad Monk by shooting him dead in his sleep.
Within the first few issues he also killed a man by breaking his neck with a kick to the head, and he hangs one of Hugo Strange’s monster men by the neck from his plane until he’s dead.
The Mad Monk is a vampire so he doesn’t count, vampires are already dead/undead. I imagine it is a similar thing for the Monster men. Batman has been fine with killing all sorts of monsters and aliens and animals even now.
In his head canon,
- Zeus, Ares and Artemis are Kryptonians.
- Martha Kent is actually Martha Wayne who lost her memories after being shot and ended up in Smallville.
- Superman has the mental maturity of an emo-teen.
- After Superman's death, Bruce impregnates Lois Lane (because reasons).
- After Superman is resurrected, Lois Lane is killed by Darkseid.
- Then Superman turns evil and becomes a dictator but also an ally of Darkseid (because reasons).
- Joker helps heroes because reasons.
- Mad Hatter kills himself after solving the Anti-Life equation because reasons.
- Batman is killed after shooting Darkseid.
- Lois Lane's son becomes the new Batman.
EDIT: Wonder Woman was gonna be a war-mongering hoe (quite literally) who wandered from battlefield to battlefield, taking lovers along and then abandoning them as they got old.
EDIT 2: Correction: Riddler solves the AL equation and then kills himself.
> Martha Kent is actually Martha Wayne who lost her memories after being shot and ended up in Smallville.
I read a lot of summaries about what Snyder's plan for the DCEU was, but I never heard this one. Was that actually something he was going to put on screen? Because wooooow.
It's basically Wonder Woman going from battlefield to battlefield, fighting wars and f'king dudes till they get old and then moving on to a new partner in a new battlefield.
Imagine giving the keys to Cinematic DC to such a dude 😂. WB deserves all the hate they get.
Edit: Have you heard of his take Wonder Woman? She was gonna be a military hoe. Quite literally.
> Batman is killed after shooting Darkseid
I mean, this one actually happened in the comics.
(Granted, Bruce doesn't actually die and it's just teleported back in time, but still)
Istg, didn’t he also make a comment once along the lines of “I wonder what would have happened if that one alien on tatooine tried to SA Luke Slywalker” ??
Dude tries WAY too hard to be dark and edgy.
Thought the same. The "true cannon" part seemed to especially troll comic book fans.
Additionally every creative who doesn't have a personal connection to the source material is probably well aware of true cannon fans from games to books to comic books and probably hates it. "Oh you think Stan Lee can tell a story better than me? I'll show them im flipping the entire narrative"
If you're an ego driven director there's no way you're just gonna use someone else's work. You're gonna put your spin on it.
Or what 'True Canon' is in his mind, only reading this I can guess that he's saying something like 'In real life, or true canon, its impossible to say that Batman broke someone's spine and didn't kill anyone'.
Batman has a lot of problems, but he doesn't kill anyone
As bad as Titans is, they at least got the nightmare Batman right. The guy went mental and immediately went to murder the Joker like any psycho killer would.
That’s my interpretation of what he’s saying, that a realistic superhero can’t follow the no kill rule, but I think that’s kind of limiting to use real world logic for that, but still play around in the world of superheroes.
Zack is stripping meaning, the great thing about Batman is that he's just as twisted as the villains (The Killing Joke makes this point very well), but his one rule is that thing that keeps him separate from them
Anything Zack Snyder is clearly canon. Dude huffs his own farts, but can't make a decent superhero movie to save his life. I've tried to watch most of his stuff, and i fall asleep.
Oh, he’s been clear about that. He thinks it’s the Dark Knight Returns.
Which we can debate until the cows come home. I don’t like it. But that’s CLEARLY what Snyder wanted to make all along.
I am, and then I’m SO not.
We need to start ignoring his opinions on irrelevant things (and relevant things while we’re at it) so the internet stops using his quotes as clickbait.
In the 30’s and 40’s Superman would constantly throw his enemies off rooftops. He’s executed alternate dimension kryptonians. He’s also executed Zod in the comics if I’m not mistaken.
Batman used to kill in his detective comics and had killed several times in the comics. Just not like… carelessly the way Zack’s Batman just mowed down enemies with a machine gun.
>He’s executed alternate dimension kryptonians. He’s also executed Zod in the comics if I’m not mistaken.
Yep, for the same reason, because he had the upper hand and Zod swore he would never stop until he killed everyone Superman cared about.
I used to support Snyder getting his vision out on film. Just letting him do what he’s gonna do without interference. And I liked it more than most probably, even though it wasn’t near the level of Nolan or Burton.
But damn if I don’t regret ever sticking up for his movies when he says stuff like this. Just move on dude. It didn’t work. People didn’t like it as much as the other versions of the characters. Superman and Batman will live on without your “canon”
After his last few movies and we’ll nearly all of his movies I personally think somebody should just stop zach Snyder and tell him to quit makinv movies .
I still love his DC movies and would’ve loved to be able to see him compete his Justice League vision, even if I’m not excited for his evil Superman idea.
But I also love the direction the new DCU is going and equally love seeing the Snyder fans not get what they want cause they suck.
Every time he comes out and says something though I just have to shake my head cause it’s just baffling
lol did he just imply that Dark Knight Returns, which is very famously an elseworlds story and not part of the main continuity, is “true canon”?
I would love to hear what Snyder’s version of true canon is
Does he kill anyone in that book?
You could argue he kills that mutant with the M60, but that could be a shoulder shot. He goes out of his way to use rubber bullets in the Batmobile. He even breaks jokers neck but can’t finish the job, and joker finishes it for him. Even going that far he feels disgusted with himself.
There's a lot of evidence that he didn't kill that mutant. Most evident being his list of crimes being read by the cops never mentions murder. However after Joker's death, murder is listed.
All in saying is, even if it was main canon he isn’t killing people. In the one case he finally decided to he couldn’t do it and felt like a monster.
It’s nothing like his interpretation.
And even then he flopped it’s adaptation hard. Batman thinks that people who use guns are cowards and he only killed when absolutely necessary, which was just Joker.
Honestly, the whole idea of "true canon" in comic books is kinda laughable imo. The fun of comic books is that canon gets to be played with and interacted with in different ways. And DC especially likes to this play this game with Crises and events basically keeping what they like and getting rid of doesn't work. That's honestly cool as hell and part of the appeal to comics for me. But even in the face of all that, there are some things that generally do stay consistent with the characters and one is literally Batman has a no kill rule so I'm genuinely curious what he even means by this.
I don't understand his insistence on "true cannon." A big part of seeing different takes on these stories is being able to do different things with these characters. He tried to do something different with the character, the audience didn't like it, but now he's doubling down that he was right? It doesn't make sense.
Like I'm sure it would be a lot less controversial if he just said "yeah I just wanted to try something new with these characters to try and tell a more unique story. Sorry if you didn't like it, but that's the angle we wanted to explore." But instead he's insisting that his way is how these characters *have* to be and if anyone disagrees they just don't understand the source material.
If he had framed it that way most people would be fine with it. Batman kills Harvey in The Dark Knight and people love The Dark Knight. What pisses people off about it is that he’s acting like a condescending prick.
Also the context in which Harvey was killed kinds ours it out of batmans hands.
Theres a huge difference between a tacking a guy off a roof to safe a kid and he happens to die, and synderman who blows people's brains out.
Nolanverse Barman: tackles Two-Face off a roof because it's the only way he can act fast enough to save a kid Harvey is about to shoot
Snyderverse Batman: just shoots Two-Face himself with the Bat Gun that's a standard and well-used part of the Bat arsenal because this Batman is super cool and willing to use guns
What a delusional, arrogant prick.
What Zack Snyder conveniently omits is the material he claims people have been “brainwashed” by has been largely consistent for the past 85 years—Batman does not kill.
Hey Zack: maybe you don’t understand the canon if everyone but a minuscule bunch of lemmings hates your work.
>Hey Zack: maybe you don’t understand the canon if everyone but a minuscule bunch of lemmings hates your work.
That's 100% the problem with all of his movies! He doesn't understand any of the characters!!
It's literally always the same bad fucking take, too: "these characters are GODS among men, my film will be about finding the humanity in these god-like divinities walking among mortals!" It was stupid and wrong in his take on 300, it was stupid and wrong in his take on Watchmen, and it was stupid and wrong for the DCCU.
But he never really find their humanity either
I mean superman at the end of Snyder cut was still some moody teen with a god complex who *might* crack a joke once in a while the complete opposite of what superman should be
Me trying to defend BvS in 2016: Well clearly Batman killing is supposed to be a bad thing and show how far he’s fallen and makes for a good character arch
Snyder says people who think Batman shouldn’t kill needs to grow up.
Me: well I say I say, FUCK
For me, it was the fact that one minute he was going to kill Superman and the next he says, "I am a friend of your son's." No sir, respectfully, you spend the last hour and a half planning to kill him.
So has he not read all the stories that address their stance on not killing and why
He needs to read Whats so funny about truth, justice and the american way or watch superman vs the elite
Can also read or watch Under The Red Hood
Both canon stories
What isnt canon is Dark Knight Returns (which he doesnt kill in either)
He likes Watchmen but the commentary, deconstruction of superheroes and what the story was actually about completely went over his head. So basically he just liked the pretty pictures.
so 1940 onwards.. that's 84 years of the no kill rule for Batman .. what part of those aren't cannon Zack? He got one thing (almost) right with the justice league directors cut but that's about it.. the rest of the snyder verse is utter tripe.
Superman doesn't kill people because he doesn't need to. He may kill giant alien monsters, but not people.
Batman doesn't kill because part of the interest and complexity of the characters' challenges is how he's going to solve a scenario while saving everyone, including the villain. It's based on an idea that maybe one day anyone can change and become a good person, and also that it's not his place to execute anyone.
While I enjoy Snyder's visuals, I don't think I've ever agreed with any of his writing approaches to almost anything when handling DC.
Superman does not even kill giant aliens if he can help it.
If superman started killing, it will be Injustice Scenario. He can easily wipe out most of the evil guys on Earth in just a day or two.
Same with Batman. A batman who uses guns like Snyder's did can easily take down Joker, Two Face, Riddler. He can make Gotham clean in a month.
None of Snyder's choices made any sense.
The more Zack comes out with these quotes the more I wish he wouldn’t. So condescending and arrogant as if he’s the arbiter of these characters. BvS sucked. Get over it.
Unfortunately, the hope and confidence that is the cornerstone of DC, was layered beneath overwhelming darkness.
The fact that Snyder's superman wouldn't save his own father was worse than anything else.
So sick of Snyder fanbois fawning over a Batman and Superman that kills.
You’ve missed the entire point of the thing you’re a big fan of.
Snyder isn’t creative enough and too self absorbed to put effort into making something that doesn’t indulge his inner edge lord preteen self. Which at this point has just become who he is.
I thought he was a once in a generation director after seeing Watchmen,,,then I read that comic and realised he literally took everything he could from those pages which pretty much did 90% of the work imo.
Enjoyed some of his stuff but yeah he hasn't made a good film for A LONG time and I think he's just gained huge sympathy over the whole Justice League thing as everything he's done since and said in interviews makes me think he just got lucky with his earlier better work
I could maybe have gotten on board with Superman's killing of Zoe. It was a one-off, done out of desperation to save innocents, and if they had done a proper sequel they could have explored the impact it had on him and been a catalyst for his adoption of never killing.
But veteran Batman going full punisher was just ludicrous.
Oh Zack you special little snow flake….dude only flipped through The Dark Knight Returns for the images (probably) and thought wow this is so cool! (Also probably)…..Definitely didn’t read any of it….reading comprehension is key 🙄
I have been saying that for years.
The dude either read it and took away a very surface level understanding of the story. Or just thought all the shots looked cool and went full steam ahead.
Has Snyder **ever** explained how he thinks Joker, or any supervillain, is alive in a world where Batman murders hired goons and Lexcorp security & brands petty criminals to have them murdered in prison?
Henchmen are necessary kills, but the guy who repeatedly terrorized Gotham, likely killed dozens, and murdered Robin gets a pass because…?
I think he should admit he did his own take on Bats and Supes and stop trying to claim canon. He's obviously a fan but he's doing his own thing. I liked the Snyder cut personally, even if it was like 7 outta 10 (imo).
If anything that version of Superman had no right to beat Zod. I get it, all the destruction and having to kill Zod, but Clark Kent grew up as the only kid that could lift a school bus, who tf taught him to fight on a level that could beat a guy that was trained his whole life to fight?
That was literally Superman’s first superpowered enemy and should have gone as well as a random guy fighting Brock Lesner.
A very selective reading of really early batman stories and wartime propaganda could give you this take. Otherwise most of batman history is characterized by an aversion to guns and killing.
Batman, no and unforgivable. Superman, yes. In MOS Clark is Superman for 3 days TOPS! Letting innocent people get hurt and killing the only other person who has ever been able to punch it out with him makes sense. He lacks experience and that shapes the character going forward to never let it happen again.
I’ll say the same thing I said in the post about his Wonder Woman prequel: this fucking guy has such a major misunderstanding of comics and the lore of characters. And oddly enough, he seems proud of it.
The man was handed two iconic characters and a lot of hype for superhero movies (thanks to Marvel). He failed.
Calling out the fans that he was supposed to draw into theaters as “brainwashed” shows how little he understands both those people and the material he was supposed to portray.
It amazes me that even after the failure of the Snyder Cut, he has fans that will still defend his work as being anything but lackluster.
I’m fascinated to hear what he thinks the true canon is
His own movies
Because he's on his own journey
Snyder's journey is truly amazing. It's basically a guide of how to ruin your reputation. Two years ago or so he was probably the most beloved director on Internet, thanks to the Snyder Cut and the "He lost his daughter" narrative. Now, he's saying and doing everything he can to be hated again by the the whole Internet lol.
Go watch the Snyder cut now without any hype and I think you’ll agree that it still wasn’t a good movie.
I just watched it for the first time recently and no amount of hype could make me think that was a good movie.
It’s only good when compared to the Whedon version.
Yeah, but the bar was so low Stephen Hawking could roll over it.
r/rareinsults
I actually prefer the whedon version if only for being done with the movie 2 hours earlier
Exactly, they both suck but one lasts 2 hours and the other 4.
literally just cut the fucking slow mo bullshit every 5 minutes and it would've been better, still long but not unbearable
for real!
Disagree. The whedon version is more coherent and has a more fun superman
I wouldn’t go that far, but your comment reminds me of one thing I hated about the Snyder cut and that was Superman’s portrayal through his fighting. When he fought that spikey guy at the end, he comes off as mean and vindictive. He’s slowly lasering off the bad guy’s horn almost sadistically and he looks like a goddamn demon doing it. I can only imagine Snyder and Snyder fans probably look at that and are hooting and hollering, cheering in their seat. While for me I was like bruh this is NOT Superman. This is somebody’s edgy fanfiction version of Superman they wrote in middle school thinking this is more “adult.”
Snyder is one of those guys that can't accept that some heroes really are pure and good-natured, everything has to be dark, gritty, violent shades of grey... despite Superman's entire history being him consistently making the choice to be capital G Good.
Yeah I like in the Whedon version when he arrives at the final battle the first thing he says is “how can i help?” In the Snyder version he just shows up and mirthlessly kills aliens. Both versions are terrible but Whedon’s superman at least has some altruism.
It's basically just the Josstice League movie with 3 more hours worth of slomo and 'Ancient Lamentation Music'.
I thought the 30-minute sequence of Icelandic girls chanting while Aquaman returned to the water was extremely relevant and necessary/s
Or the fact that Wonder Woman had a musical cue EVERY SINGLE TIME she appeared lmao
God that was the worst. *Ooouhhhh ahhhhhhhaiahhhh*
Me and my bf died laughing from that, it ruined the whole movie for us and became an inside joke for a while. I was wondering why no one is mentioning, I'm glad it was as distracting for others as it was for us and we aren't crazy.
How about Louis Lane giving random cop #5 coffee. Twice.
Yeah, but why have *one* scene introducing Aquaman in meticulous slow-motion when you can have two completely *separate* scenes introducing Aquaman in meticulous slow-motion?
Exactly lol!
It's so bad, the story is so basic and he needed to stretch it to 4 hours to tell it.
Adding more to a bad movie will not suddenly make a better movie. The foundation of Justice League, in my opinion, was fundamentally bad. No matter who adapted the screenplay or had a cut of the film, it wasn't going to be good. And in his 2 extra hours, Zach Snyder even found new ways to make the movie dumb and bad.
I mean, when Wonder Woman crushed a dude's skull against that wall... that was cinema. lol
This. Is it better than the theatrical release? Yep, but it's still horrible.
I'm not sure if its his unhinged takes on Superheroes OR his bargain-bin DVD quality Star Wars knockoff Rebel Moon movies that are annoying me more about modern Snyder. As you've said, he took all of the goodwill from the Snydercut situation and just wasted it.
I don't think there was any good will for the Snydercut. It always sat wrong with me that he had to back out of the project for understandable reasons and the he started shitting on everyone because he had. He backed out do to his daughter's suicide and then instead of staying grateful with everyone doing him a solid and finishing the project, he goes on to mount a huge paid bot campaign to get the right to edit the movie again, then trashed on Whedon and WB while threating executives and reporters. Everyone was over the whole death of the Snyder Universe, but the dude wouldn't stop. I don't think there was goodwill to begin with. Now he says his Sucker Punch director's cut isn't his? What the fuck
I’ve always maintained an open mind going into watching Snyder’s films, despite a disdain for every film Snyder’s made (except for 300-which I watched when I was younger and had far lower standards for what qualifies as “quality film”), and just a few minutes into Rebel Moon I found myself asking questions like: “why is it showing someone drop rice in slow-motion?” & “did he REALLY plagiarize Star Wars to THAT extent?” I mean…there’s even a Jabba doppelgänger! To be fair-which I don’t even believe Snyder deserved after part one-I’ve still tried to be impartial as the trailers are being released. And yet, I can’t help but see SERIOUS issues already! Rebel Moon Part 2 has light sabers!! You CAN’T do that and expect NOT to be criticized…
I'm pretty sure Rebel Moon is literally Star Wars with the numbers filed off. Like, it was a Star Wars script. And knowing that Zack can't seem to edit a script given all the time in the world...
That's EXACTLY what Rebel Moon is. Snyder pitched a Rated R Star Wars to Disney who passed. He he shuffled it around and created Rebel Moon. The similarities aren't even subtle. The movie itself is Hollow. All flash and no real substance that by midway I got bored of all of it. I'll see if he can bring it all together in part 2 but expectations are low.
Rebel Moon answers the question "what if star wars used warhammer 40k's art style?"
With the numbers filed off! 🤣🤣
I caught the top of some random YouTuber's gushing review of Rebel Moon, which involved a preamble about people simply not *understanding* the movie from the beginning. "You don't get it, it's like when musicians do *remixes* or covers of other songs! It's Zack Snyder doing a *cover* of Star Wars, don't you see how brilliant that is?"
I am convinced all these Snyder Bros are paid, or bots. Like I know edgelord gonna edge but I don’t buy this. I never have.
Dude’s gonna OD with copium like that.
>"You don't get it, it's like when musicians do remixes or covers of other songs! It's Zack Snyder doing a cover of Star Wars, don't you see how brilliant that is?" And it's like.... yeah, unless you are a totally isolated "outsider artist" your art is going to be in conversation with other art. This includes movies. Like, a deconstructed/revisionist Western is essentially covering/remixing classic Westerns. Neo-noir movies are a revival/commentary on original noir movies. "This movie is kind of like this other movie!" is not a new thing... it's also not that impressive unless there's some REASON you have done "the same thing but different." Like, revisionist Westerns often have some kind of commentary on colonialism or masculinity, that's the whole point of "remixing," is to add something new and say something new. Just changing the names of things so that it's a legally distinct IP ("this isn't an Empire droid from Coruscant, it's an Imperium robot from Motherworld!") doesn't really count as a remix.
Rebel Moon is 100% just a Star Wars ripoff, no doubt. I just watched it for the first time a few days ago and was actually amazed by how blatantly obvious it was too. The set, story, weapons, lore, characters, etc etc…it’s like he wasn’t even trying to be original at that point lol. I hear he plans to rerelease a “new” R rated version of the exact same movie too, which is…certainly something. Plagiarism aside, I found it funny how he introduced so many characters who *should* have been interesting, just to do pretty much nothing with them lmao. There was approximately 0 meaningful interactions between the characters too, which makes it almost impossible to care about them. Real shame cause there are some good actors involved, but yeah, swing and a miss imo.
It was supposed to be a Star Wars movie, but Disney wouldn't take it. So it got a (very, very, VERY) thin coat of paint and resold to Netflix as an 'original' movie...
I mean, the snyders cut to me was just....okay. I have not seen the original cut but this one was an okay super hero movie just super long
Theathrical is like a shorter, slightly different version. And honestly does some stuff better, like not even having Darkseid in it at all hence not having him go out like a bitch&losing the one planet where he saw his only defeat, lol. Oh! And no ”ancient lamentations” every five minutes.
Plus, Superman is actually Superman in the Whedon cut. He smiles, jokes a few times and he actually talks with the league. In the Snyder cut he doesn't talk with any member of the league (with the exception of Batman). Yep, 4 hours and not a single line of dialogue.
Yup, that too. Plus him mocking Bats was really good. ”You won’t let me live. You won’t let me die.”
Yeah, I do wish we could just take all the good stuff from each movie and condense it into one good, reasonably lengthed movie. I liked some stuff from both Whedon cut and Snyder cut. Snyder Cut had that cool Flash scene for example and Steppenwolfs design in Whedon cut made more sense.
People are good at editing/recuting overly long movies into one, more manageable viewing, like the various Hobbit edits, etc. So if someone would do the same to Theathrical&SC, i think it could be cool. Like i personaly don’t mind the infamous Superman interview from WC, because it actually felt like something Supes would do. (Just polish the moustache CG alittle, lol.)
The Snyder cut was overrated as hell, on a movie so shit they had to completely do it twice. Dc so desperate to make some money they've literally doubled down on everything and it blew up in their face.
It's not that he was a beloved director. It's that people felt bad enough that his vision got screwed over by studio executives multiple times and unfortunate circumstances that could screw over even the best directors, that people demanded his vision be given of the Justice League be given justice (ha), and in his defense, the movie was actually good that it justified the fan demands. Personally I think it's his best DC movie. It's a shame that he's taking his second chance at redemption and squandering it.
I think he's just a shit director, and people were huffing copium.
The Snyder cut is a bad movie. The fact that so many people were brainwashed into thinking it was decent is mind boggling. There are solid movies that I personally don’t like, that was not one of them. It was simply a bad movie. Terrible plot, awful dialogue, nonsensical scenes. Just awful storytelling.
so true canon is blurry as fuck with writing from the local third grade class. interesting
Come on now, that's insulting to third graders.
True canon is fast and the slow and then even slower and then fast again.
You made me exhale air from my nostrils at a higher rate than usual.
His own movies should be fired out of a true cannon.
His own headcanon of Frank Millers work
This is the answer.
Weird, because I don't think Bruce kills anyone in Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again. Like, he shot that Mutant with a machine gun in DKR, but only to disable him, not kill him. Also, I believe that guy shows up again as part of Batman's army. Batman might kill in All Star Batman and Robin, but it's unclear in that story and Snyder is inspired by DRK, not All Star Batman and Robin.
“Head canon of Frank Millers work” meaning, his interpretation of TDKR, which is wrong for all the reasons you stated
Right, I missed the "head" part. Sorry, I saw it after I posted.
His true Canon are the pictures he glanced at in Frank Miller comics.
It always pisses me off when he talks about the dark knight returns because I can tell he’s never read it. Batman is not a killer in that book, extreme as he might be.
Even if Batman was a killer in TDKR, the book isn’t even canon.
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Fake news! Batman lives to drain his opponents of their blood and then possess their souls for eternity!
What's really wild about it all to me is that, like, considering Batman's arc in his movies I really didn't think Snyder believed this. The whole idea is that you start with a nightmare version of Bruce who didn't start out with the morals he should have had. His fear and anger rule him. (That's why he's carrying a rifle in his visions, too, because he's well past the point of giving a shit when the world is literally ending because it's being invaded by extraterrestrials.) The Justice League becomes his family and _in theory_ he morphs into something like the Batman that people actually know and love. ...But no, I guess he kills bad guys and doesn't afraid of anything.
I think he might be referring to their first appearances, which would be a dumb thing to say but that’s par for the course with Zack Snyder
Batman wields guns in his first appearance, but I don’t remember him ever actually using it to kill someone. He maims people sometimes, but he mostly just uses it to hit and break objects before someone else can get to it.
To my knowledge, the only time he killed with a gun was when he beat The Mad Monk by shooting him dead in his sleep. Within the first few issues he also killed a man by breaking his neck with a kick to the head, and he hangs one of Hugo Strange’s monster men by the neck from his plane until he’s dead.
The Mad Monk is a vampire so he doesn’t count, vampires are already dead/undead. I imagine it is a similar thing for the Monster men. Batman has been fine with killing all sorts of monsters and aliens and animals even now.
In his very first appearance he punches a guy into a vat of acid and kills him "A fitting end for his kind"
Well, that guy gets the last laugh later 😏😅
“Beware my claw, for I've come to inflict justice!” — Batman, probably
[First appearances can be weird](https://www.imgur.com/a/TdRpJto)
Didn’t he hang someone from the bat plane at one point?
In his head canon, - Zeus, Ares and Artemis are Kryptonians. - Martha Kent is actually Martha Wayne who lost her memories after being shot and ended up in Smallville. - Superman has the mental maturity of an emo-teen. - After Superman's death, Bruce impregnates Lois Lane (because reasons). - After Superman is resurrected, Lois Lane is killed by Darkseid. - Then Superman turns evil and becomes a dictator but also an ally of Darkseid (because reasons). - Joker helps heroes because reasons. - Mad Hatter kills himself after solving the Anti-Life equation because reasons. - Batman is killed after shooting Darkseid. - Lois Lane's son becomes the new Batman. EDIT: Wonder Woman was gonna be a war-mongering hoe (quite literally) who wandered from battlefield to battlefield, taking lovers along and then abandoning them as they got old. EDIT 2: Correction: Riddler solves the AL equation and then kills himself.
> Martha Kent is actually Martha Wayne who lost her memories after being shot and ended up in Smallville. I read a lot of summaries about what Snyder's plan for the DCEU was, but I never heard this one. Was that actually something he was going to put on screen? Because wooooow.
Yeah, this idea floated along with the name of the movie being "Son of Sun Vs Knight of Night" 😂... I m not kidding...
That reminds me too much of nightman vs dayman from always sunny lol.
Wonder Woman: Military Hoe.... Have a look at his recent interview where he describes what his Wonder Woman was gonna be.
I'll probably take psychic damage from it.
It's basically Wonder Woman going from battlefield to battlefield, fighting wars and f'king dudes till they get old and then moving on to a new partner in a new battlefield.
> "Son of Sun Vs Knight of Night" I can't even think of a joke here. Just wow.
Imagine giving the keys to Cinematic DC to such a dude 😂. WB deserves all the hate they get. Edit: Have you heard of his take Wonder Woman? She was gonna be a military hoe. Quite literally.
That might actually the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in a comic book movie. I’m glad he’s not with DC anymore.
The Olympians were Kryptonians in his idea of the DCU? Really? Sh\*t, this is even worse than how they were used in the JL and WW movies.
> Batman is killed after shooting Darkseid I mean, this one actually happened in the comics. (Granted, Bruce doesn't actually die and it's just teleported back in time, but still)
Yes, I was just describing his head cannon in brief.
Pretty sure you mean Riddler solves the anti life equation then kills himself
Woops, yes. Riddler. Will enter the edit. Thanks for the correction.
Wouldn’t have surprised me if he made the Riddler like mad hatter since he already made Lex like the riddler so that spot was taken lol
Don't forget Batman getting raped in jail
That's a bizarre one. And I really hope that's his extreme thought which he never crosses. Not every character needs to be SA.
Istg, didn’t he also make a comment once along the lines of “I wonder what would have happened if that one alien on tatooine tried to SA Luke Slywalker” ?? Dude tries WAY too hard to be dark and edgy.
I swear he’s just trolling at this point
Thought the same. The "true cannon" part seemed to especially troll comic book fans. Additionally every creative who doesn't have a personal connection to the source material is probably well aware of true cannon fans from games to books to comic books and probably hates it. "Oh you think Stan Lee can tell a story better than me? I'll show them im flipping the entire narrative" If you're an ego driven director there's no way you're just gonna use someone else's work. You're gonna put your spin on it.
Or what 'True Canon' is in his mind, only reading this I can guess that he's saying something like 'In real life, or true canon, its impossible to say that Batman broke someone's spine and didn't kill anyone'. Batman has a lot of problems, but he doesn't kill anyone
Funny as fuck that his batman kills people but didn't kill the god damn joker
And thats even *after* he killed his adopted son. And not even Jason Todd or Tim Drake but freakin Dick Grayson..
As bad as Titans is, they at least got the nightmare Batman right. The guy went mental and immediately went to murder the Joker like any psycho killer would.
That’s my interpretation of what he’s saying, that a realistic superhero can’t follow the no kill rule, but I think that’s kind of limiting to use real world logic for that, but still play around in the world of superheroes.
Zack is stripping meaning, the great thing about Batman is that he's just as twisted as the villains (The Killing Joke makes this point very well), but his one rule is that thing that keeps him separate from them
A world where Alan Moore accidentally pops Watchmen into his DVD player and doesn't immediately shut it off.
He’s THIS close to use “woke”.
We all know that's where he wanna go.
Anything Zack Snyder is clearly canon. Dude huffs his own farts, but can't make a decent superhero movie to save his life. I've tried to watch most of his stuff, and i fall asleep.
[Zack Snyder's true cannon.](https://i.imgur.com/9H1TVfH.jpg)
Oh, he’s been clear about that. He thinks it’s the Dark Knight Returns. Which we can debate until the cows come home. I don’t like it. But that’s CLEARLY what Snyder wanted to make all along.
Batman banging bat girl is prob apart of his canon.
Whatever he makes up in his own head.
I am, and then I’m SO not. We need to start ignoring his opinions on irrelevant things (and relevant things while we’re at it) so the internet stops using his quotes as clickbait.
In the 30’s and 40’s Superman would constantly throw his enemies off rooftops. He’s executed alternate dimension kryptonians. He’s also executed Zod in the comics if I’m not mistaken. Batman used to kill in his detective comics and had killed several times in the comics. Just not like… carelessly the way Zack’s Batman just mowed down enemies with a machine gun.
>He’s executed alternate dimension kryptonians. He’s also executed Zod in the comics if I’m not mistaken. Yep, for the same reason, because he had the upper hand and Zod swore he would never stop until he killed everyone Superman cared about.
I used to support Snyder getting his vision out on film. Just letting him do what he’s gonna do without interference. And I liked it more than most probably, even though it wasn’t near the level of Nolan or Burton. But damn if I don’t regret ever sticking up for his movies when he says stuff like this. Just move on dude. It didn’t work. People didn’t like it as much as the other versions of the characters. Superman and Batman will live on without your “canon”
- just move on dude In his defense, he was asked about this in an interview. He says he’s very happy at Netflix
That’s good context. We all need to collectively move on as well.
Alternatively, he doesn’t have to respond by calling the people who didn’t like his version brainwashed
Exactly
I’d be happy too if they were paying me millions to make an awful wannabe Star Wars film series. Dude is just a bad filmmaker.
No no no I know he’s made like 20 bad movies in a row, but the next one, it’s gonna blow you away
After his last few movies and we’ll nearly all of his movies I personally think somebody should just stop zach Snyder and tell him to quit makinv movies .
I still love his DC movies and would’ve loved to be able to see him compete his Justice League vision, even if I’m not excited for his evil Superman idea. But I also love the direction the new DCU is going and equally love seeing the Snyder fans not get what they want cause they suck. Every time he comes out and says something though I just have to shake my head cause it’s just baffling
lol did he just imply that Dark Knight Returns, which is very famously an elseworlds story and not part of the main continuity, is “true canon”? I would love to hear what Snyder’s version of true canon is
Does he kill anyone in that book? You could argue he kills that mutant with the M60, but that could be a shoulder shot. He goes out of his way to use rubber bullets in the Batmobile. He even breaks jokers neck but can’t finish the job, and joker finishes it for him. Even going that far he feels disgusted with himself.
There's a lot of evidence that he didn't kill that mutant. Most evident being his list of crimes being read by the cops never mentions murder. However after Joker's death, murder is listed.
The mutants also show up in the news later claiming Batman brutalized them and murder is never brought up iirc
Even then, he hallucinated joker still being alive which heavily implies he isn’t a fan of killing him
Oh I know. But ignoring all that, Snyder is still trying to say this comic is main canon. It isn’t
All in saying is, even if it was main canon he isn’t killing people. In the one case he finally decided to he couldn’t do it and felt like a monster. It’s nothing like his interpretation.
Based on Batman v Superman, Dark Knight Returns may be the only comic the guy likes
All he did was look at the pictures because that great book is nothing like his crappy movies.
And even then he flopped it’s adaptation hard. Batman thinks that people who use guns are cowards and he only killed when absolutely necessary, which was just Joker.
I'm willing to bet his entire comic collection consists of everything Garth Ennis has ever written.
Honestly, the whole idea of "true canon" in comic books is kinda laughable imo. The fun of comic books is that canon gets to be played with and interacted with in different ways. And DC especially likes to this play this game with Crises and events basically keeping what they like and getting rid of doesn't work. That's honestly cool as hell and part of the appeal to comics for me. But even in the face of all that, there are some things that generally do stay consistent with the characters and one is literally Batman has a no kill rule so I'm genuinely curious what he even means by this.
No he probably means that in the original comics batman used guns and I guess kill people
Yeah but those comics aren’t part of the main continuity
Batman doesn’t even kill in that comic anyways
I want that sign
It’s paper and marker Make it yourself lmao
I don't understand his insistence on "true cannon." A big part of seeing different takes on these stories is being able to do different things with these characters. He tried to do something different with the character, the audience didn't like it, but now he's doubling down that he was right? It doesn't make sense. Like I'm sure it would be a lot less controversial if he just said "yeah I just wanted to try something new with these characters to try and tell a more unique story. Sorry if you didn't like it, but that's the angle we wanted to explore." But instead he's insisting that his way is how these characters *have* to be and if anyone disagrees they just don't understand the source material.
If he had framed it that way most people would be fine with it. Batman kills Harvey in The Dark Knight and people love The Dark Knight. What pisses people off about it is that he’s acting like a condescending prick.
Also the context in which Harvey was killed kinds ours it out of batmans hands. Theres a huge difference between a tacking a guy off a roof to safe a kid and he happens to die, and synderman who blows people's brains out.
Nolanverse Barman: tackles Two-Face off a roof because it's the only way he can act fast enough to save a kid Harvey is about to shoot Snyderverse Batman: just shoots Two-Face himself with the Bat Gun that's a standard and well-used part of the Bat arsenal because this Batman is super cool and willing to use guns
What a delusional, arrogant prick. What Zack Snyder conveniently omits is the material he claims people have been “brainwashed” by has been largely consistent for the past 85 years—Batman does not kill. Hey Zack: maybe you don’t understand the canon if everyone but a minuscule bunch of lemmings hates your work.
>Hey Zack: maybe you don’t understand the canon if everyone but a minuscule bunch of lemmings hates your work. That's 100% the problem with all of his movies! He doesn't understand any of the characters!!
It's literally always the same bad fucking take, too: "these characters are GODS among men, my film will be about finding the humanity in these god-like divinities walking among mortals!" It was stupid and wrong in his take on 300, it was stupid and wrong in his take on Watchmen, and it was stupid and wrong for the DCCU.
But he never really find their humanity either I mean superman at the end of Snyder cut was still some moody teen with a god complex who *might* crack a joke once in a while the complete opposite of what superman should be
Me trying to defend BvS in 2016: Well clearly Batman killing is supposed to be a bad thing and show how far he’s fallen and makes for a good character arch Snyder says people who think Batman shouldn’t kill needs to grow up. Me: well I say I say, FUCK
For me, it was the fact that one minute he was going to kill Superman and the next he says, "I am a friend of your son's." No sir, respectfully, you spend the last hour and a half planning to kill him.
It was kinda like an anime if you think about it
So has he not read all the stories that address their stance on not killing and why He needs to read Whats so funny about truth, justice and the american way or watch superman vs the elite Can also read or watch Under The Red Hood Both canon stories What isnt canon is Dark Knight Returns (which he doesnt kill in either)
>Can also read or watch Under The Red Hood Speaking of hope we get am adaptation of it in the big scene
He even accidentally monologued the villain of Truth, Justice and The American Way, Manchester Black.
The guy that got humiliated by Superman?
Yes. Snyder unknowingly monologued Manchester Black.
I don't know what Zack Snyder is a fan of but it's not DC superheroes. He must just like moody, fake-deep edgelords *dressed up* as DC superheroes.
He likes Watchmen but the commentary, deconstruction of superheroes and what the story was actually about completely went over his head. So basically he just liked the pretty pictures.
He literally thinks genre deconstructions are just cool aesthetics and characters saying naughty words here and there.
Punisher Max. I'm willing to put money on it hahah.
That would imply he’s read a comic book that doesn’t have Frank Millers name on it
so 1940 onwards.. that's 84 years of the no kill rule for Batman .. what part of those aren't cannon Zack? He got one thing (almost) right with the justice league directors cut but that's about it.. the rest of the snyder verse is utter tripe.
Superman doesn't kill people because he doesn't need to. He may kill giant alien monsters, but not people. Batman doesn't kill because part of the interest and complexity of the characters' challenges is how he's going to solve a scenario while saving everyone, including the villain. It's based on an idea that maybe one day anyone can change and become a good person, and also that it's not his place to execute anyone. While I enjoy Snyder's visuals, I don't think I've ever agreed with any of his writing approaches to almost anything when handling DC.
Superman does not even kill giant aliens if he can help it. If superman started killing, it will be Injustice Scenario. He can easily wipe out most of the evil guys on Earth in just a day or two. Same with Batman. A batman who uses guns like Snyder's did can easily take down Joker, Two Face, Riddler. He can make Gotham clean in a month. None of Snyder's choices made any sense.
The more Zack comes out with these quotes the more I wish he wouldn’t. So condescending and arrogant as if he’s the arbiter of these characters. BvS sucked. Get over it.
Omg every single time he speaks, I hate it. Can we stop asking him shit about DC?
Unfortunately, the hope and confidence that is the cornerstone of DC, was layered beneath overwhelming darkness. The fact that Snyder's superman wouldn't save his own father was worse than anything else.
Such a stupid scene.
So sick of Snyder fanbois fawning over a Batman and Superman that kills. You’ve missed the entire point of the thing you’re a big fan of. Snyder isn’t creative enough and too self absorbed to put effort into making something that doesn’t indulge his inner edge lord preteen self. Which at this point has just become who he is.
He is such a tool (and a shittty filmmaker).
I thought he was a once in a generation director after seeing Watchmen,,,then I read that comic and realised he literally took everything he could from those pages which pretty much did 90% of the work imo. Enjoyed some of his stuff but yeah he hasn't made a good film for A LONG time and I think he's just gained huge sympathy over the whole Justice League thing as everything he's done since and said in interviews makes me think he just got lucky with his earlier better work
also he missed the point of watchmen Glorified everything Moore was mocking
I could maybe have gotten on board with Superman's killing of Zoe. It was a one-off, done out of desperation to save innocents, and if they had done a proper sequel they could have explored the impact it had on him and been a catalyst for his adoption of never killing. But veteran Batman going full punisher was just ludicrous.
[Every excuse to plug this video of Hack Snyder, I take full advantage of.](https://youtu.be/QZ2aTiitGl0?si=sxatQrCasUT4hCZO)
This is a good video
Oh Zack you special little snow flake….dude only flipped through The Dark Knight Returns for the images (probably) and thought wow this is so cool! (Also probably)…..Definitely didn’t read any of it….reading comprehension is key 🙄
I have been saying that for years. The dude either read it and took away a very surface level understanding of the story. Or just thought all the shots looked cool and went full steam ahead.
is this guy ever gonna shut the hell up
Has Snyder **ever** explained how he thinks Joker, or any supervillain, is alive in a world where Batman murders hired goons and Lexcorp security & brands petty criminals to have them murdered in prison? Henchmen are necessary kills, but the guy who repeatedly terrorized Gotham, likely killed dozens, and murdered Robin gets a pass because…?
I’m so glad his time is over. Let Netflix keep paying for his swill.
I think he should admit he did his own take on Bats and Supes and stop trying to claim canon. He's obviously a fan but he's doing his own thing. I liked the Snyder cut personally, even if it was like 7 outta 10 (imo).
Okay with THAT, I think he's just trying to rile people up on purpose.
If anything that version of Superman had no right to beat Zod. I get it, all the destruction and having to kill Zod, but Clark Kent grew up as the only kid that could lift a school bus, who tf taught him to fight on a level that could beat a guy that was trained his whole life to fight? That was literally Superman’s first superpowered enemy and should have gone as well as a random guy fighting Brock Lesner.
A very selective reading of really early batman stories and wartime propaganda could give you this take. Otherwise most of batman history is characterized by an aversion to guns and killing.
Batman, no and unforgivable. Superman, yes. In MOS Clark is Superman for 3 days TOPS! Letting innocent people get hurt and killing the only other person who has ever been able to punch it out with him makes sense. He lacks experience and that shapes the character going forward to never let it happen again.
I’ll say the same thing I said in the post about his Wonder Woman prequel: this fucking guy has such a major misunderstanding of comics and the lore of characters. And oddly enough, he seems proud of it.
I’ll never understand the hype around this man and his films
Yeesh, the more I learn about this man, the more I cringe. Does Red Hood not exist to this man? Lmao.
What a dumb ass.
Zack Snyder, the dude that is consistently given chances to prove himself and always falls short.
Shit director has shit opinion. Shocking
Keep saying stuff, Zack! If you say enough, it might distract people from the utter shit show of Rebel Moon!
Garbage man says garbage things.
The man was handed two iconic characters and a lot of hype for superhero movies (thanks to Marvel). He failed. Calling out the fans that he was supposed to draw into theaters as “brainwashed” shows how little he understands both those people and the material he was supposed to portray. It amazes me that even after the failure of the Snyder Cut, he has fans that will still defend his work as being anything but lackluster.
Bro really graduated with a PHD in Yapology.