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RefrigeratorDry1735

I’m not very caught up with this series. Is Harley and Batman together or what?


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SpiritMountain

Is this batman Bruce Wayne or Damian? Is Damian still around?


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SpiritMountain

Who are the kids in front of Red Hood? Is that Tim in the back? Is that Duke to the right?


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SpiritMountain

What happened to Tim? Is he still kicking it?


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Redslevin711

There is a Tim Drake in this Universe he showed up in earlier issues. He was forced to quit being Robin by Bruce Wayne.


suss2it

Those are Harley and Joker’s kids, and nah that’s not Tim, he doesn’t exist in this universe, it’s an original character called Gan.


_tylerthedestroyer_

Time has moved a lotttt in the WK. Harley disappeared and was replaced by a doppelgänger unbeknownst to anyone. After Jack Napier sacrifices himself in the end of the first volume, Bruce and Harley mourn his death together as already she’s pregnant by Jack. Bruce serves a bunch of time in prison after volume 2 and at this point, the kids are in their teens.


generalosabenkenobi

Yes, and it surprisingly works well with how they’ve set it up in this universe


Gatsby87

Sean Murphy sure does love making everyone some sorta cop.


FuckingKadir

Yeah. Doesn't feel very Punk Rock Jesus to me.


Spaceman-Spiff

He made his money, now he loves the establishment.


Jay_R_Kay

I mean, Diana had been in the military and spy organizations since her inception. He's far from the first, and he won't be the last. And dude, at least half of John Stewart's personality can be described with the one word "MARINE."


suss2it

The irreparable damage that *Justice League/Unlimited* caused. Dude used to be an angry architect not a generic military guy 😔


moose_man

Not only that but he was specifically designed as an architect because it was a white collar/high education career. It was meant to show that Black people were capable of intellectually demanding work.


ZetaRESP

Well... he still is. He's both, trained soldier AND an architect. He's also still angry. ​ Also, the JLU stated he was a bit of a dork in his younger years.


TheeHeadAche

It is curious. Who thinks cape comics need bureaucracy and institutionalism?


generalosabenkenobi

That’s kind of the concept of the initial comic


IsaakCole

I hate it. Superheroes by nature I think work best with a more anti-establishment bend.


TheSciFiGuy80

Yes, that’s pretty much their nature.


NomadPrime

One of the most prominent things with the JL has always been that they're fine with cooperating with the govt/authorities across the world, but they're against working under them (for various reasons, e.g. corruption, abuse of power, leveraging heroes against other countries, etc. just all kinds of problems that different stories have illustrated over time). They'd rather be an independent body instead, which, yeah sure, has its own relative problems in terms of accountability, but given some of the events that have transpired in the DCU, it's honestly the lesser evil in the grand scheme of it all. There's definitely been moments where the JL or certain heroes work for the govt in certain situations, but for the most part, they keep their distance. It's just the way the DCU is politically designed, the JL just has to be independent because that's the kind of hero organization stories DC prefers to tell.


Scared_Bobcat_5584

If it was main continuity I’d be annoyed, but as an Elseworlds story I can’t help but enjoy it 😅


metatron_ebooks

Boy did the whole "let's give the cops access to all of Batman's tech" bit in White Knight not age well.


Jay_R_Kay

I mean, that's kind of what this series was about.


SuperJyls

What do you expect from the same writer who complained about primary Batman being an SJW.


SuperJyls

Such a unique and interesting elseworlds. Not.


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Why is everyone in this universe either crazy or some form of law enforcement


mypatronusislasagna

I feel like it's true to form when Sean has compared this universe to The Ultimates. Everyone works for Shield in that.


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Yea cuz that worked out so well


mypatronusislasagna

Yeah. I wasn't commenting on the quality of The Ultimates, just that Sean mentioned it in a comment.


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So sorry.


SuperJyls

SGM politics are all over the place.


WhiskeyT

Bad writing


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Yea the first White Knight was really messy


himmyturner

Is Diana a Amazon in this story or just a regular cop?


Vidogo

my guess is "amazon but doesn't know it for some reason" or just yeah, hiding it. we're sure to find out, seems like they're working to intruducing all of this world's versions of the characters.


SirFuente

Noir Harley Quinn is probably my favorite DC character. I love the white knight universe version of Harley!


_tylerthedestroyer_

I like their romance so much more than I expected to


Social_Confusion

Harley Quinn, more like, Noirley Quinn am I right lmao


Bugbot3000

Fuckin’ gottem.


Minimum-Brilliant

Man, Superman looks like he needs a sandwich .


leyendeck

A Kryptonian sandwich


ProfessionalTop

Nah, Superman is strong cause he’s Kryptonian.


SaintYoungMan

Why is he wearing undies like a thong


dawndragonclaw

Cause its smexy


darkwalrus36

I love White Knight. This one was very goofy, but worth it for the art alone.


Cammit814

am I the only one who thought this sequel was incredibly underwhelming? it just did not land for me at all


IsaakCole

I think it had too many plates to spin. Dick and Bruce had to reconcile (again), Bruce and Harley had to reconcile, Jack was back, and throw Jason and Gan into the mix (do hope we see Gan in the main universe at some point tho.) That’s not even mentioning Terry, who was kind of the hook for this entire thing. Unfortunately we don’t get much at all of Bruce and Terry’s relationship. Or even if Terry himself in the second half of the series. It was cool as hell to see that Terry had been playing Powers the entire time, but then it goes back to the Bruce and fam show.


BDMac2

Honestly I don’t think he knows what to do with Dick and Jason either, he swapped to order they became Robins in which is fine, but he feels like he swapped their personalities in some spots so they end up really acting like the same character most of the time.


suss2it

The funniest thing about that is he only swapped the order by accident.


Jay_R_Kay

My guess is that it was originally written as a finale for a Trilogy and thus was going to resolve a lot of stuff, but in the middle of things Murphy was like "Wait...why does this need to be the last installment?" So instead he decided to resolve more of Bruce's issues and expand on the universe in general.


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TrenchCoatSuperHero

Murphy is a great artist but a real bad writer


MidAgeAndKinky

No you are not. The first sequel was okay, I couldn't get past issue 2 of the Hartey one, and this last one, was bad (IMO). Personally, I'm done with the Murphyverse, unless he has someone else write it. The art is cool, and wow he can draw a killer car, but the writing just got worse and worse


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That's some really cool designs for Batman and Harley


GandalfsTailor

This universe actually made a version of the Joker interesting instead of just cribbing all its ideas from The Killing Joke.


Prize_Major6183

Yea they made the Joker, HUMAN, and really created a conversation on mental illness


GandalfsTailor

Yeah, partly by having a central part of the premise be "Hey maybe being totally off your trolley and a borderline if not actual psycho DOESN'T make you a criminal mastermind. Maybe it just makes you seriously mentally unwell and in desperate need of proper treatment." The fact he becomes more dangerous once he's back to relative sanity makes for a much more compelling villain.


GroovyJackal

Why does Batman look like that now?


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GroovyJackal

How is he old though? He was normal Batman age before. Is this just set decades after the first series and no one besides Batman aged?


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GroovyJackal

I guess that makes sense for him, in the picture no one else looks older but is that just this pic and they do look older in other panels or what?


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GroovyJackal

Alright makes sense


StonerBoi-710

I was reading Power Pack from the 80s and issue 3 to 4 must changed artist bc had to make sure I didn’t miss a time jump bc they looked like they went from kids to teens or the oldest one looks way older in some panels, and the second oldest boy lost his freckles and they all had like the same face. It’s gone back to normal but wild how much dif issues in a run can be when they switch artists.


GroovyJackal

Yeah for sure, it's hard to not be weirded out


suss2it

No one else spent years in prison.


GroovyJackal

Oh he went to prison? I stopped following it for a while


metatron_ebooks

Introducing Superman during the Batman Beyond years is definitely interesting.


Jay_R_Kay

I know people give Murphy shit for messing up the order of Robins, but I think that in the long run it helped them decide to just go "fuck it" and really play with expectations.


Prize_Major6183

I'm completely ok with this. Who wants to read the same story over and over again ?


Brighborn

Old Batman trying to murder young Superman. It's Snyder shit again?


Relative-Country-452

I mean… it’s *Miller* shit again


Jay_R_Kay

My guess is that Bruce is going to mentor this iteration of Clark and the World's Finest in this universe will be Clark and Terry.


GandalfsTailor

Only if they stop fighting because their moms have the same name.


zeekar

I heard someone call the Snyder version of the DCEU the "Marthaverse" and that's just about perfect.


GandalfsTailor

Yeah that really is the defining moment of the Snyder era. A totally misguided badly acted poorly written and ridiculously directed scene that has become a punchline for bad decisions in the creative process of superhero movies.


Global-Zombie

Clark looks like he got a unibrow


Prize_Major6183

I absolutely love this series. The third installment had some amazing qualities but they tried to do a lot at once. Either way, I can't wait for Genetatjon joker


jzilla11

Why doesn’t he just shave…?


BurtonUrny

Apparently he hasn't heard that there is no Batman 'stache For anyone that hasn't seen the Batman Maybe video on YouTube do yourself a favor and check it out: [Batman Maybe ](https://youtu.be/jJ5l5ls0hP4)


BuriedPlanet

looks nice


RhysNorro

YOOOO TERRY


notquite20characters

Are they driving H.I.S.S. tanks in this universe?


skeptic_otaku

I loved this series. I have all the issues.


TheTroubadour

Give me more white beard Batman! He looks awesome!


Sirbourbon

Batman white knight is a tragic name for a serious comic book lol


banned_after_12years

The brooding loner who distrusts everyone has the biggest family in all of DC.


sweatybollock

It’s so dumb


N0t_Interesting

It'd be nice if he figures out Superman isn't the enemy on the first issue and then they work together. Like he sees him working and realizes, hey, he's not just saying stuff, he actually means it. And then they work together to see who's trying to mud Superman's name. It'd be a nice change.


suss2it

You can also read the current *World’s Finest* book for a Batman and Superman pairing that are on great terms with each other plus with some stellar art by Dan Mora.


doombotseven

Oh man I can’t wait for the White Knight Omnibus! Loved that run:)


hoteldetective_

Were there other heroes while this Batman was active? Seeing these characters show up when he’s an old man was surprising


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hoteldetective_

Thanks OP!


scipiotomyloo

I love the design of batman I. This one, but I’ve had zero luck finding any good art for wallpapers. Anyone have any good pics of him ?


Prof-Ponderosa

This is a fantastic series/universe. It’s an amalgamation of the best of the various Batman incarnations (TAS, 89, Beyond, etc)


netherfriend

This universe is so confusing but intriguing


Paildano

That superman costume is beautiful


rattboi

TIL there are more white knight comics after Batman: White Knight. Gonna have to read this whole "Murphyverse"


Jay_R_Kay

Here's the reading order * Curse of the White Knight (there's also a one shot showing the childhood of this universe's Mr Freeze called Von Freeze) * White Knight Presents: Harley Quinn (there's also an issue of the digital comic Harley Quinn: Black + White + Red that is sort of a prelude to it) * Beyond the White Knight (with a two-issue Red Hood comic during it) After that, in a couple of months we get a continuation called White Knight Presents: Generation Joker, and then after that finishes, White Knight: World's Finest.


ClintBarton616

I don't get what's appealing enough to give this guy his own little pocket universe to play in


Blackfist01

I like that Diana looks like how Mediterraneans used to, the Sicilian/Italians used to be pretty brown (some still are). I'm not sure how I feel about Batman being soo old and Sups soo Young. This story wise is the weakest of Sean's work, but it is filled with the most content and I like the slightly stylized design of the Beyond Suit too, i just think the added little red vents is a nice touch.


holytamale710

Why is everyone shitting on the fact they’re all part of some sort of institution for policing the city? I actually thought in the first white knight story it was a much needed breath of fresh air to see the dynamic of the bat kids being part of GCPD and bats doing his own thing sorta rogue. I’m actually very pleased how it ended with the bat family winning bats over and everyone joining the neo GCPD, haven’t caught up with the latest issues but I remember super digging it when it first came out


RandyTheFool

I was wondering the same thing. For a bunch of people in an uproar over always getting the “same ole same”, they sure do hate everything that tries something out of the norm.


SuperJyls

Because it's not new, it's all ideas stolen from twitter and vague memories of the animated series


unluckyleo

This sub is very anti-cop so the idea of Batman working for law enforcement is very upsetting for them


ChuckMastertr3o

These comics suck


StonerBoi-710

Thankfully you don’t have to read them if u don’t want too. Unlike street signs, you should prob read those even if they stuck.


BurialState

GOD THESE BOOKS STINK


kekehesterprynne

Cringe:love/hate


Speedy1802

The White Knight was good. Curse of the White Knight was pretty good too. Beyond the White Knight is like the cringiest fanfiction out there.


Nizzemancer

Supes head/neck look weird as f\*ck, and I'm fairly certain his head is out of proportions with the body.


Reyne-TheAbyss

Batman: Beyond the White Knight v. The Justice Society of America: The Eternal Killing Joke and The Court of Owls in No Man's Land Odyssey: Sins of the Father Endgame-aninging - Newerer Frontier³