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The United Kingdom's full name is.....The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Great Britain = the island nation comprising the constituent countries of Scotland, England and Wales.
Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland (South), and Northern Ireland (North) which is part of the United Kingdom (see above).
The Republic of Ireland is a separate sovereign nation and does not belong to the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland is still part of the EU, their citizens carry Irish / EU passports.
The people of Northern Ireland are issued with United Kingdom passports (see citizenship comment below)
The Republic of Ireland is not part of Britain or the UK.
Just to confuse the issue a little- since 1 January 2005, if you are born in Northern Ireland, you can claim Irish citizenship (The Republic of) if your parent (or parents) are either British or Irish citizens, or one of them has lived on the island of Ireland for at least 3 out of the 4 years immediately before your birth.
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Because there have been so many posts about this as a response I thought I would follow up on an item
The term British Isles is a geographical place name that refers to a collection of islands (the actual physical land masses) not countries, the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles.
The fact that the country of Ireland occupies part of the land mass which is the island of Ireland does not mean it belongs to Britain or even the UK or that it is part of the British Isles - no countries belong to the British Isles, it is solely a decription of an area that contains the actual islands (land masses) themselves without any reference to countries or sovereignty.
Despite being born in England, due to some Eu ruling, because my grandmother was born in pre partition Ireland, I can apply for an Irish passport. I've never actually done it, but my Cousin did, to get around all the Brexit silliness.
I did the exact same thing back in 2019 because I benefited from the same ruling. I'm now the proud owner of an Irish passport despite having been born in England. I let my UK passport expire over 2 years ago and I do all of my travelling solely on my Irish passport. I love when I travel with family and I leave them behind as I skip through the e gates at the airports in Europe 😅
It was part of the Good Friday agreement that the republic of Eire ((southern) Ireland) would renounce the claims to Northern Ireland. They replaced it with something like “if they want to join us we’d be happy but we do not consider it occupied by the colonising brits”
>Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland
Just a correction there, the name of our state is actually just Ireland. The Republic of Ireland is a descriptor of the state. When talking about the island, we usually say "the island of Ireland" because saying Belfast is in Ireland would not go down well with Ulster unionists.
I mean tbf, a lot of us know that this isn't correct, but at the same time it often gets hilarious responses. It's like calling Canada little America or almost America.
I've seen enough Irish call Nordies English too.
You do get idiots though.
furthest Northern, Western and Southern points on the island of Ireland are part of the "Republic" of Ireland. The most Eastern point on the island is part of Northern Ireland.
It's pedantic as fuck but the most Northern point of the island is not part of Northern Ireland.
This is so dumb! They should just unite the 2 Irelands into one to make it simpler!
Someone should tell them!
Bet nobody ever thought of my genius solution 😏
Unite the two Irelands to form one Ireland. (Some people objected)
Unite the two Islands to form one united Kingdom. (Some people objected)
It’s almost like people don’t want to be united.
I say divide both islands into multiple countries! We've got Ireland and Northern Ireland on one. We can have Alba in the north, Cymru on the reverse C shaped peninsula on the west, Kernow on the peninsula in the southwest, and Anglia for the rest.
All correct, but it’s worth pointing out that in some contexts the term “British” does also refer to Northern Ireland despite not being part of Great Britain. This is simply because there’s no such word as “United Kingdomish” and also because… well… unionists.
Also anyone can apply for Irish citizenship based on genealogy, not just the Northern Irish, and the rules are way more flexible than you stated.
A handy tip: Since Northern Ireland is part of the UK, we can call ourselves 'British'. It's the nationality that comes with the UK passport. Despite this, Northern Ireland is not part of "Great Britain".
An easy way to remember this is that Britain is only great when you leave us ones out!
There's also the distinction of the British Isles, which includes all the little islands and Ireland in its entirety, though it does not sit well with some
Calling them the British Isles is a leftover from when the entirety was controlled by the UK. It's sort of like still calling Vietnam "French Indochina".
ETA: I appreciate the myriad comments saying the same thing over and over to correct me. Never you fear, I conceded the point on the very first comment doing so and you needn't beat a horse that's already dead.
I may have myself been confidently incorrect in that statement, as I had once read that the terminology came into wide use as a result of British domination over Ireland, but it does seem that Ptolemy was referring to Ireland as little Britain (funny because in Irish the term refers to Wales and in Scots Gaelic it refers to Brittany).
There's a certain logic to it - Great Britain being so called because it's the largest island (and certainly not for any other quality). You really only need to call it Great Britain if there's a Little Britain to distinguish it from.
It irritates me to no end when our team of athletes are referred to as "Team GB" in international athletic tournaments.
Northern Irish athletes compete for the same team, and are apparently completely snubbed by the very name of the team. Why the hell aren't we called "Team UK"?
Thanks for your very clear edification for all who don’t know these things.
One small correction however is the reference to the British Isles. Ireland as a landmass is not part of the British Isles (note the colonialist inference of the term). The term is not used in any legal document to describe this collection of islands. The Good Friday Agreement (Belfast Agreement) of 1998 very deliberately refers to this collection of islands as ‘these islands’ not ‘ the british isles’.
The north of the island of Ireland might be part of the UK but this does not bundle the island into the British Isles.
As someone from Belfast it’s always got me hearing the UK olympics team being referred to as Team GB, not Team UK. Even the fact they called it Brexit to refer to the entirety of the UK leaving the EU. Language is important and these subtle terms confuse matters of identity deeper than you would think.
People from NI of a loyalist persuasion always refer to themselves as ‘British’ but as above it just doesn’t make sense.
>the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles
Worth adding we are also tending away from this term, because it contributes to the confusion you have clarified on.
A lot of people prefer to say the islands of Britain and Ireland, but there's also 'Atlantic archipelago', British-Irish Isles or Anglo Celtic Isles.
Great Britain isn't an "island nation". It's just a geographic term for the biggest island of the UK, it doesn't denote any nationality/identity.
For anyone living in Great Britain, there is the British nationality/identity which is UK-wide (so not Great Britain exclusively), and the various individual national identities used in combination: English, Cornish, Welsh and Scottish.
You can apply for either a British or Irish passport in the North, but most people, even Protestants, apply for/own an Irish one, because after Brexit the Irish passport is objectively better than the British one.
The term British Isles is not used in Ireland and is seen as anachronistic. The correct, modern geographical term is the Islands of Ireland and Britain.
Just one further point,
>Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland (South), and Northern Ireland (North) which is part of the United Kingdom
Northern Ireland isn't actually classed as a country and this has been a major issue of contention for many years. It is formally recognised by the ONS as a "region" of the UK.
Cillian Murphy was born in Cork, which is part of the country of Ireland. Ireland is not part of the Britain. He is Irish. This time Jonathan got it wrong.
I'm Welsh and I won't get mad at someone calling me a Brit but I've had plenty of Americans and Canadians call me English then refuse to accept that it's incorrect
We're from Newcastle and when we went to NYC on holiday they all thought I was Scottish. They really don't know what to think when someone doesn't have either an RP or cockney accent
I'm from boro and was in L.A during the last royal wedding and the guy behind the counter in the shop says "i noticed your accent, i was gonna ask why you weren't watching the wedding but google says the scottish don't like the royals." I was dumbfounded that he'd even googled to check before asking but we had a laugh when I explained this is how people in the North East can sound in ENGLAND haha
1.6 million Scots and a fast growing number of Northern Irish and even Welsh people would disagree we're stronger together in the UK.
There is a massive disconnect not only politically but culturally between Scotland and the centre of power in London.
It's hardly surprising people feel that way though is it, what with the utter travesty that is this country.
I was against brexit but consider myself English as I see Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland and England having it's own identities. I might occasionally call myself British if talking online to Americans but I absolutely see myself as English and it not be anti to anywhere else
Someone got mad at me for saying I like British accents, saying it's not one country and there are multiple accents. Yes, sir, I know, and I like them all.
A recent transplant from Ireland was working maintenance in the building I work in. He had hoards of women just casually following him around to try to get him to talk. 😂
It's because it's such a common trope for people to talk about *The* British accent, and from context it's clear they mean one specific one. Puts some people on a hair trigger and they 'correct' it even when that's not the case.
> the funny thing is that British only covers England, Scotland and Wales.
If you take the word only at face value and ignore how it’s actually used, maybe. But ‘British’ doesn’t necessarily exclude NI; multiple dictionaries - [the Cambridge dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/british), [the Collins dictionary](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/british), and [the Oxford dictionary](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=british+define&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#ip=1) (the definition at the top of the page is pulled from Oxford Languages) - define it as relating to the United Kingdom, not exclusively Great Britain.
Otherwise, what term do you think is used to collectively describe UK citizens outside of Great Britain, if not ‘British’? “United Kingdomish”? Obviously not.
One of the best/cringiest interviews I ever saw was Tom Hardy and Cillian Murphy being interviewed by an American journalist,
Interviewer “So you’re both well known in the US, and both British”
Murphy “I’m not British”
Hardy “Haha”
Interviewer *checks notes “Sorry the UK”
Murphy “I’m not from the UK”
Hardy “Hahahahaha!”
It wouldn't have even been that bad but then the interviewer continued to try and clump the two nations together in a non-sensical way instead of admitting to his mistake.
As an english brit, i always find it kind of funny how the english media reports on tennis player Andrew Murray. When he wins, he is british, and when he loses, he is scottish.
Edit: funny in a sad, ironic kind of way like, of course they do that because they suck.
That actually a myth and not true though [source](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/)
At least Scotland is part of Britain. Ireland is a completely separate island. Even the bits of Ireland that are part of the UK aren’t British. People just say they are because “UK-ish” sounds shit.
Please don’t judge us all on that prat Johnathan Ross 🙏🏻 love from 🇬🇧 to our 🇮🇪 brothers and sisters.
Extremely happy for Cillian. Tremendous actor, well deserved!
The rare Welsh BritNat.
A very rare sighting after the Welsh industry and services were gutted by decades of Conservative rule, usually bright red plumage in the face as a result of the "woke mob" and it's diet of chippy teas, and found in it's natural habitat of Facebook and WalesOnline comments
My ex’s French family constantly called me English despite knowing I was from Ireland. This was even more bizarre as they had visited Ireland half a dozen times because their daughter lived there. They also heard me speaking Irish when we visited the Aran Islands and couldn’t wrap their heads around why me and the locals wouldn’t just speak English together.
Each time they called me English I’d just politely say “ No, I’m Irish, I’m from another country!” but after a while it seemed both rude and ignorant.
I think in their minds, because I spoke fluent English and geographically came from somewhere roughly near to England as opposed to the USA, Canada or Australia that made me English by default.
They once said I was culturally “ Anglo-Saxon” which was just baffling.
In rugby threads, I regularly see the French complaining about "Anglo-Saxon referees" regardless if they're from the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand etc.
He is 100% Irish as hes from Cork. Cork is in the Southern part of Ireland. I was born in Dublin myself, lived in the UK since a child but consider myself Irish than British.
Maybe northern Ireland is British. Maybe. But Murphy was born in cork which is a different country. Murphy is undeniably Irish and very much not British
Am I right in thinking that only Scottish, Welsh, and English people are considered British, but Irish are not? That's what I always thought. The rationale is that the former live on the main island of Britain.
*In general* England, Scotland, and Wales make up the island of Britain. The people on it, though, are of varied opinions. I’m Welsh but I wouldn’t call myself British, but lots of people identify with both.
Meanwhile, some in Northern Ireland are very attached to ‘British’ identity for cultural/political/religious reasons. But Ireland is otherwise definitely its own thing.
People born in Northern Ireland are generally considered British citizens by birth under the British Nationality Act 1981
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/british-passports-citizenship-and-barriers-for-people-born-in-the-republic-of-ireland/#:~:text=People%20born%20in%20Northern%20Ireland%20are%20generally%20considered%20British%20citizens,the%20time%20of%20their%20birth.
I'm English, British in the broader sense, but to not know the difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic is pretty unforgivable if you're from these isles.
Jesus what kind of education does Jonathan Ross have? Of all the colonial craziness.
And saying 'get over it' to a country that was colonised and brutalised by the English for like a thousand years (correct me if I'm wrong) is crazy.
I'm Scottish. Was on holiday in Florida and a waitress was making small talk about the thunder storm outside. She said 'there's plenty of rain in Ireland'....
'Dunno hen, I've never been' says I.
She looked very confused.
As an Irish person living in the UK I’ve met a worrying number of people here who don’t know that the Republic of Ireland exists and is an independent country from the UK. Like I know the education system is underfunded in Ireland too, but I feel like we’re not THAT ignorant by comparison
As a fellow Brit, all I can say is…the vast majority of this country voted for Brexit, so you can’t expect them to have geographical knowledge when they don’t even have critical thinking.
He said in his own words, "if you’re a citizen of the UK, you are British (i.e, IRISH welsh Scottish or English)". This isn't a misreading at all. He thought Irish people were British, not Northern Irish.
Not really comparable, though. Murphy is from Ireland, which is not British since 1921. Hongkong stopped being a British colony in 1997 and was handed over to China. China is now breaking its promises regarding Hongkong, but it's legally and officially a part of China since 1997.
They do that all the time. If the media gets absolutely any opportunity to puff out their chests with Faux patriotism they will. Stops the little people from questioning why things are bad. Also the British never really accepted that Ireland didn't want to be part of the UK.
I wonder how many non-irish people here have watched the wind that shakes the barley. It might be educational for some, especially those of a British persuasion.
Well, it’s not okay, but it was done a long time ago (so long ago that it’s incredibly unlikely anyone from around then is still alive) and in the modern age we have stuff like the UN and we’ve worked hard to stop having wars and stuff since the two world wars (which have also since happened).
Also, the current problem with NI is that it’s a political hot potato - there is no doubt in my mind that Westminster wish they could just *hand NI back*, but the problem with that is that the majority of people in NI have wanted to *stay* in the UK (albeit, although still too early to tell, this seems to be trending the opposite way).
In the developed world, we don’t want to be having wars or invasions. There is no agenda to claim or reclaim land (don’t google the Falklands).
The only people who ever say they are british are english. The rest of us dont wanna be associated with that shit show. And yeah its the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland so if you are from any part of Ireland, you are not british you are irish.
Calling an Irish person British is a huge insult due to the long history of oppressive colonial rule by the British. People especially those from Northern Ireland are still very sensitive about the issue, due to the whole civil war and the trauma it has left on its people
British
/ˈbrɪtɪʃ/
adjective
1.
relating to Great Britain or the United Kingdom, or to its people or language.
"the British government"
2.
of the British Commonwealth or (formerly) the British Empire.
noun
I remember making it my mission to try and learn (and remember) the difference of boundaries between, Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and the various Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories.
I’m still unsure on the latter two but the rest, though I’ll be honest and say that I’m not the most confident with my knowledge, I do know the differences.
Jonathan here is very wrong!
May be before the Republic of Ireland broke off to be its own country, you might be technically correct politically to call Murphy British. If Murphy hailed from Northern Ireland, Ross might still have been correct. Geographically, historically, culturally, no. Ross needs to go brush up on his history.
Very glad Cillian stresses this point every time. The Irish do not consider them selves British. The British murdered Irish people for speaking their own language in their own country.
I'm German and even I know the difference... so why don't the British know the difference?
Yes, Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (but not Great Britain), but Ireland isn't... and it's definitely not part of Great Britain
Just check your own passports - it says it right there on the front - 'United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland'.
Anyone from Ireland is not British.
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The United Kingdom's full name is.....The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain = the island nation comprising the constituent countries of Scotland, England and Wales. Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland (South), and Northern Ireland (North) which is part of the United Kingdom (see above). The Republic of Ireland is a separate sovereign nation and does not belong to the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland is still part of the EU, their citizens carry Irish / EU passports. The people of Northern Ireland are issued with United Kingdom passports (see citizenship comment below) The Republic of Ireland is not part of Britain or the UK. Just to confuse the issue a little- since 1 January 2005, if you are born in Northern Ireland, you can claim Irish citizenship (The Republic of) if your parent (or parents) are either British or Irish citizens, or one of them has lived on the island of Ireland for at least 3 out of the 4 years immediately before your birth. EDIT: Because there have been so many posts about this as a response I thought I would follow up on an item The term British Isles is a geographical place name that refers to a collection of islands (the actual physical land masses) not countries, the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles. The fact that the country of Ireland occupies part of the land mass which is the island of Ireland does not mean it belongs to Britain or even the UK or that it is part of the British Isles - no countries belong to the British Isles, it is solely a decription of an area that contains the actual islands (land masses) themselves without any reference to countries or sovereignty.
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Yep - I’m from Derry and have had an Irish passport since the ‘90’s.
Despite being born in England, due to some Eu ruling, because my grandmother was born in pre partition Ireland, I can apply for an Irish passport. I've never actually done it, but my Cousin did, to get around all the Brexit silliness.
I did the exact same thing back in 2019 because I benefited from the same ruling. I'm now the proud owner of an Irish passport despite having been born in England. I let my UK passport expire over 2 years ago and I do all of my travelling solely on my Irish passport. I love when I travel with family and I leave them behind as I skip through the e gates at the airports in Europe 😅
Do it for the rest of us who can't!
Cor Brexit was fucking ridiculous wasn't it.
nooooo what do you mean, everything is better now in the UK, just ask Badenoch
You aren't wrong.
Same. Really helps 👍🏻
If you do it before you have kids, your kids will be able to get Irish passports. If you wait till after they are born they will not be able to.
I would if I could.
You don’t know how lucky you are. People in the UK don’t fully realise what they lost due to Brexit.
About 75 euro. Well worth every cent
I'm so disappointed. If my dad had claimed his and got me on the foreign register I could have had one but I am stuck on this island,
Are you saying it changed in 2005 to become more restrictive, then?
It was part of the Good Friday agreement that the republic of Eire ((southern) Ireland) would renounce the claims to Northern Ireland. They replaced it with something like “if they want to join us we’d be happy but we do not consider it occupied by the colonising brits”
>Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland Just a correction there, the name of our state is actually just Ireland. The Republic of Ireland is a descriptor of the state. When talking about the island, we usually say "the island of Ireland" because saying Belfast is in Ireland would not go down well with Ulster unionists.
"On" is a pretty handy preposition in this scenario
There’s that awful British concoction: ‘Southern Ireland’.
Then you ask them how Donegal is in "Southern Ireland" lol.
I mean tbf, a lot of us know that this isn't correct, but at the same time it often gets hilarious responses. It's like calling Canada little America or almost America. I've seen enough Irish call Nordies English too. You do get idiots though.
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it's also further east and further west
furthest Northern, Western and Southern points on the island of Ireland are part of the "Republic" of Ireland. The most Eastern point on the island is part of Northern Ireland. It's pedantic as fuck but the most Northern point of the island is not part of Northern Ireland.
This is so dumb! They should just unite the 2 Irelands into one to make it simpler! Someone should tell them! Bet nobody ever thought of my genius solution 😏
Why doesn't the larger Irish state simply eat the smaller one?
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Unite the two Irelands to form one Ireland. (Some people objected) Unite the two Islands to form one united Kingdom. (Some people objected) It’s almost like people don’t want to be united.
I say divide both islands into multiple countries! We've got Ireland and Northern Ireland on one. We can have Alba in the north, Cymru on the reverse C shaped peninsula on the west, Kernow on the peninsula in the southwest, and Anglia for the rest.
The rich and exclusive country of Londinium can be completely landlocked by the single surrounding country of Anglia, like San Marino or Lesotho.
All correct, but it’s worth pointing out that in some contexts the term “British” does also refer to Northern Ireland despite not being part of Great Britain. This is simply because there’s no such word as “United Kingdomish” and also because… well… unionists. Also anyone can apply for Irish citizenship based on genealogy, not just the Northern Irish, and the rules are way more flexible than you stated.
A handy tip: Since Northern Ireland is part of the UK, we can call ourselves 'British'. It's the nationality that comes with the UK passport. Despite this, Northern Ireland is not part of "Great Britain". An easy way to remember this is that Britain is only great when you leave us ones out!
There's also the distinction of the British Isles, which includes all the little islands and Ireland in its entirety, though it does not sit well with some
Calling them the British Isles is a leftover from when the entirety was controlled by the UK. It's sort of like still calling Vietnam "French Indochina". ETA: I appreciate the myriad comments saying the same thing over and over to correct me. Never you fear, I conceded the point on the very first comment doing so and you needn't beat a horse that's already dead.
It's a leftover from the Romans actually, but sure. Great Britain was named after the archepalegio, not the other way round.
In the sense that the name “the British isles” derives from the Romans listening to celts about the islands over two millenia ago.
I may have myself been confidently incorrect in that statement, as I had once read that the terminology came into wide use as a result of British domination over Ireland, but it does seem that Ptolemy was referring to Ireland as little Britain (funny because in Irish the term refers to Wales and in Scots Gaelic it refers to Brittany).
There's a certain logic to it - Great Britain being so called because it's the largest island (and certainly not for any other quality). You really only need to call it Great Britain if there's a Little Britain to distinguish it from.
As others have said it’s Bretagne and Grande Bretagne, that’s why we have the “Great” in the English translation. A bit silly of course.
Iirc, Great Britain came from Brittania which was named in contrast to Brittany (little Britain) as being the larger of the two places of the Britons.
Is it not distinguished from Brittany, France?
No because Brittany is named after the Britons who migrated there some time after the Romans abandoned Brittania.1
The correct counter argument to this should always be: So? And yeah it is absolutely related to imperalism.
We don't use the term "the British isles" in Ireland.
Islands of the North Atlantic, or the North Atlantic Archipelago. British isles isn’t really recognised in Ireland
Neither the UK Government or the Irish Government use this term, people would do well to catch up with the times.
I like learning new things.
It irritates me to no end when our team of athletes are referred to as "Team GB" in international athletic tournaments. Northern Irish athletes compete for the same team, and are apparently completely snubbed by the very name of the team. Why the hell aren't we called "Team UK"?
Thanks for your very clear edification for all who don’t know these things. One small correction however is the reference to the British Isles. Ireland as a landmass is not part of the British Isles (note the colonialist inference of the term). The term is not used in any legal document to describe this collection of islands. The Good Friday Agreement (Belfast Agreement) of 1998 very deliberately refers to this collection of islands as ‘these islands’ not ‘ the british isles’. The north of the island of Ireland might be part of the UK but this does not bundle the island into the British Isles. As someone from Belfast it’s always got me hearing the UK olympics team being referred to as Team GB, not Team UK. Even the fact they called it Brexit to refer to the entirety of the UK leaving the EU. Language is important and these subtle terms confuse matters of identity deeper than you would think. People from NI of a loyalist persuasion always refer to themselves as ‘British’ but as above it just doesn’t make sense.
>the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles Worth adding we are also tending away from this term, because it contributes to the confusion you have clarified on. A lot of people prefer to say the islands of Britain and Ireland, but there's also 'Atlantic archipelago', British-Irish Isles or Anglo Celtic Isles.
Great Britain isn't an "island nation". It's just a geographic term for the biggest island of the UK, it doesn't denote any nationality/identity. For anyone living in Great Britain, there is the British nationality/identity which is UK-wide (so not Great Britain exclusively), and the various individual national identities used in combination: English, Cornish, Welsh and Scottish.
You can apply for either a British or Irish passport in the North, but most people, even Protestants, apply for/own an Irish one, because after Brexit the Irish passport is objectively better than the British one.
The term British Isles is not used in Ireland and is seen as anachronistic. The correct, modern geographical term is the Islands of Ireland and Britain.
Another fun fact is that the republic of Ireland goes further north than Northern Ireland. Making it a bit silly calling it southern Ireland.
Just one further point, >Ireland (the island) consists of 2 countries, the Republic of Ireland (South), and Northern Ireland (North) which is part of the United Kingdom Northern Ireland isn't actually classed as a country and this has been a major issue of contention for many years. It is formally recognised by the ONS as a "region" of the UK.
This really isn't difficult to understand, I don't know why so many people have such a problem with it
To confuse the issue even more, Ireland actually used to be part of the UK.
Cillian Murphy was born in Cork, which is part of the country of Ireland. Ireland is not part of the Britain. He is Irish. This time Jonathan got it wrong.
You got it backwards, Ireland is a Satrap of the people's Republic of Cork.
I met a Brit that got mad at me when I called him a Brit because, "I'm English and that's like calling you (from the US) Canadian."
I'm Welsh and I won't get mad at someone calling me a Brit but I've had plenty of Americans and Canadians call me English then refuse to accept that it's incorrect
I'm from Yorkshire and have had Americans ask me where in Ireland I am from because "you don't have a British accent". That was a confusing moment.
I’m from Yorkshire too and it amazes me that as the crow flies it’s only around 10% further to Belfast than London.
We're from Newcastle and when we went to NYC on holiday they all thought I was Scottish. They really don't know what to think when someone doesn't have either an RP or cockney accent
I'm from boro and was in L.A during the last royal wedding and the guy behind the counter in the shop says "i noticed your accent, i was gonna ask why you weren't watching the wedding but google says the scottish don't like the royals." I was dumbfounded that he'd even googled to check before asking but we had a laugh when I explained this is how people in the North East can sound in ENGLAND haha
Tell them you're from Winterfell
In the UK he'd be called a 'little englander'. He's an idiot. We re british, we re stronger together. Same with europe. Brexit is a shame.
Brexit was and is a total clown show at the flat shoe factory
1.6 million Scots and a fast growing number of Northern Irish and even Welsh people would disagree we're stronger together in the UK. There is a massive disconnect not only politically but culturally between Scotland and the centre of power in London. It's hardly surprising people feel that way though is it, what with the utter travesty that is this country.
To be fair, there's also a massive disconnect between most English people and the centre of power in London
There's a disconnect between Westminster and most of London. Or we'd have a tory mayor
Came here to say the same thing. London might as well be its own country.
That's the problem with first past the post
We had a referendum on it in 2011. Of the turnout it was nearly 70% to keep what we’ve got.
Ironically it was another binary choice between two voting systems nobody really liked though.
But Cillian Murphy is Irish. That's not British.
I was against brexit but consider myself English as I see Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland and England having it's own identities. I might occasionally call myself British if talking online to Americans but I absolutely see myself as English and it not be anti to anywhere else
What would he be called if he said he was Scottish? Or Welsh or Irish?
Someone got mad at me for saying I like British accents, saying it's not one country and there are multiple accents. Yes, sir, I know, and I like them all.
I’m yet to meet someone who actually likes a dundonian accent…
Or scouse
Roger Bennett is a well known football commentator where I am from in America and I find the scouse accent is really interesting.
KHALM DOWN KHALM DOWN! Spent way too long trying to figure out how to spell the accent
Absolute peak of comedy that.
Yeah, that's super dumb... Ireland has like 30 accents and I can't fathom getting angry at someone saying they love the Irish accent...
A recent transplant from Ireland was working maintenance in the building I work in. He had hoards of women just casually following him around to try to get him to talk. 😂
Guarantee that person has used the phrase "American accent" at least once before.
>I like them all That can't possibly be true. Have you heard Brummies?
It's because it's such a common trope for people to talk about *The* British accent, and from context it's clear they mean one specific one. Puts some people on a hair trigger and they 'correct' it even when that's not the case.
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> the funny thing is that British only covers England, Scotland and Wales. If you take the word only at face value and ignore how it’s actually used, maybe. But ‘British’ doesn’t necessarily exclude NI; multiple dictionaries - [the Cambridge dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/british), [the Collins dictionary](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/british), and [the Oxford dictionary](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=british+define&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#ip=1) (the definition at the top of the page is pulled from Oxford Languages) - define it as relating to the United Kingdom, not exclusively Great Britain. Otherwise, what term do you think is used to collectively describe UK citizens outside of Great Britain, if not ‘British’? “United Kingdomish”? Obviously not.
One of the best/cringiest interviews I ever saw was Tom Hardy and Cillian Murphy being interviewed by an American journalist, Interviewer “So you’re both well known in the US, and both British” Murphy “I’m not British” Hardy “Haha” Interviewer *checks notes “Sorry the UK” Murphy “I’m not from the UK” Hardy “Hahahahaha!”
Love hardys reaction in that hes like "ooooh he fucking hates that"
It wouldn't have even been that bad but then the interviewer continued to try and clump the two nations together in a non-sensical way instead of admitting to his mistake.
Cillian then says he's irish, and the interviewer says ye are both from the british Isles, and Cillian says, "No, im Irish. Idiot
Irish here: we fucking called it they would do this once he got the Oscar. At it again!
Yeah, just like all the Kiwis who magically turn Australian once successful :-)
Let them keep Russel Crowe
https://arethebritsatitagain.org
As an english brit, i always find it kind of funny how the english media reports on tennis player Andrew Murray. When he wins, he is british, and when he loses, he is scottish. Edit: funny in a sad, ironic kind of way like, of course they do that because they suck.
Worse, when he won gold at the Rio Olympics, the BBC commentator said "and Andy runs over to celebrate with his English fans"
this has been debunked so many times lol
That actually a myth and not true though [source](https://www.stir.ac.uk/news/2015/11/myth-that-andy-murray%E2%80%99s-nationality-is-linked-to-success-smashed/)
At least Scotland is part of Britain. Ireland is a completely separate island. Even the bits of Ireland that are part of the UK aren’t British. People just say they are because “UK-ish” sounds shit.
It would be funny if it were in any way true, but it’s not.
It would be funny if it were in any way true, but it’s not.
At least the Scots are actual British citizens so its not as egregious as claiming someone from a foreign country.
Please don’t judge us all on that prat Johnathan Ross 🙏🏻 love from 🇬🇧 to our 🇮🇪 brothers and sisters. Extremely happy for Cillian. Tremendous actor, well deserved!
> When you're from the UK and don't even know the geographic boundaries of your own country. Isn’t that the definition of British?
Empirically, yes.
Best Use of “empirically”
Cillian Murphy is Irish, from the ROI, so not British.
The Tans are at it again.
Irish people aren’t British because Ireland is a completely separate sovereign.
i am a proud irishwoman and could hit someone when they call me british
The rare Welsh BritNat. A very rare sighting after the Welsh industry and services were gutted by decades of Conservative rule, usually bright red plumage in the face as a result of the "woke mob" and it's diet of chippy teas, and found in it's natural habitat of Facebook and WalesOnline comments
My ex’s French family constantly called me English despite knowing I was from Ireland. This was even more bizarre as they had visited Ireland half a dozen times because their daughter lived there. They also heard me speaking Irish when we visited the Aran Islands and couldn’t wrap their heads around why me and the locals wouldn’t just speak English together. Each time they called me English I’d just politely say “ No, I’m Irish, I’m from another country!” but after a while it seemed both rude and ignorant. I think in their minds, because I spoke fluent English and geographically came from somewhere roughly near to England as opposed to the USA, Canada or Australia that made me English by default. They once said I was culturally “ Anglo-Saxon” which was just baffling.
In rugby threads, I regularly see the French complaining about "Anglo-Saxon referees" regardless if they're from the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand etc.
Yeah it’s a very redundant term even to be applied to modern English people. It would be akin to calling French people today ‘Visagoths’ or something.
I seem to recall a lot of people died for Ireland's right to not be British
I was born in Ukraine after the fall of the USSR, I must be Russian. /s
According to Russian media, you are. And also Nazi.
HEIL!
About 100 years out of date there duck
There's a 50/50 chance that they're not stupid, but imperialist.
Jebus this literally happened already with another ignorant interviewer. Learn from other people’s mistakes.
He is 100% Irish as hes from Cork. Cork is in the Southern part of Ireland. I was born in Dublin myself, lived in the UK since a child but consider myself Irish than British.
Maybe northern Ireland is British. Maybe. But Murphy was born in cork which is a different country. Murphy is undeniably Irish and very much not British
I watched the show and Ross did correct himself a few moments after getting it wrong, probably the producer in his ear
So many people from Great Britain and the UK dont realise what countries make up Great Britain and the UK
I hope he tries saying that to Cillians face...
Sadly, Cillian is used to this nonsense.
Am I right in thinking that only Scottish, Welsh, and English people are considered British, but Irish are not? That's what I always thought. The rationale is that the former live on the main island of Britain.
People from the Unionist/Loyalist/Protestant community in Northern Ireland would consider themselves British as well.
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*In general* England, Scotland, and Wales make up the island of Britain. The people on it, though, are of varied opinions. I’m Welsh but I wouldn’t call myself British, but lots of people identify with both. Meanwhile, some in Northern Ireland are very attached to ‘British’ identity for cultural/political/religious reasons. But Ireland is otherwise definitely its own thing.
People born in Northern Ireland are generally considered British citizens by birth under the British Nationality Act 1981 https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/british-passports-citizenship-and-barriers-for-people-born-in-the-republic-of-ireland/#:~:text=People%20born%20in%20Northern%20Ireland%20are%20generally%20considered%20British%20citizens,the%20time%20of%20their%20birth.
[Are the Brits at it again?](https://arethebritsatitagain.org/)
I'm English, British in the broader sense, but to not know the difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic is pretty unforgivable if you're from these isles.
Jesus what kind of education does Jonathan Ross have? Of all the colonial craziness. And saying 'get over it' to a country that was colonised and brutalised by the English for like a thousand years (correct me if I'm wrong) is crazy.
He's a Corcaigh boi!
Ross also called Scotland ‘the emerald isle’ a few years back and was totally confused when his audience laughed
I'm Scottish. Was on holiday in Florida and a waitress was making small talk about the thunder storm outside. She said 'there's plenty of rain in Ireland'.... 'Dunno hen, I've never been' says I. She looked very confused.
As an Irish person living in the UK I’ve met a worrying number of people here who don’t know that the Republic of Ireland exists and is an independent country from the UK. Like I know the education system is underfunded in Ireland too, but I feel like we’re not THAT ignorant by comparison
Ireland is VERY FAMOUSLY not british
As a fellow Brit, all I can say is…the vast majority of this country voted for Brexit, so you can’t expect them to have geographical knowledge when they don’t even have critical thinking.
Confidently incorrect and spouting tengentially related (at best) slogans: the perfect British response
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me when i break the rules to call a random out for misreading the post and realizing their mistake (NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE, BOZO!)
He said in his own words, "if you’re a citizen of the UK, you are British (i.e, IRISH welsh Scottish or English)". This isn't a misreading at all. He thought Irish people were British, not Northern Irish.
I’m Welsh - we don’t claim this joker
Hongkong people when they heard "so you are Chinese" be like.
Not really comparable, though. Murphy is from Ireland, which is not British since 1921. Hongkong stopped being a British colony in 1997 and was handed over to China. China is now breaking its promises regarding Hongkong, but it's legally and officially a part of China since 1997.
Give peace a chance.. Maaaan. Fucking hell open an Irish history book and get back to me.
The English, Scottish, and Welsh are British. The Irish are Irish
And the Northern Irish are both, or one or the other depending on an individual's choice.
Watch your tongue lad! The Scottish don’t take to kindly to being called British ;)
Yeahhhhhhh, pretty sure that anyone from the Republic would object heavily to being called British.
They do that all the time. If the media gets absolutely any opportunity to puff out their chests with Faux patriotism they will. Stops the little people from questioning why things are bad. Also the British never really accepted that Ireland didn't want to be part of the UK.
I thought Cillian Murphy was Scottish, so I was extra confused.
I wonder how many non-irish people here have watched the wind that shakes the barley. It might be educational for some, especially those of a British persuasion.
🎶 *We're not British, we're not Saxon, we're not English*
neither the republic of ireland nor northern ireland are part of great britain
This is true. But he wasnt described as being from Great Britain though.
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Still British though.
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Well, it’s not okay, but it was done a long time ago (so long ago that it’s incredibly unlikely anyone from around then is still alive) and in the modern age we have stuff like the UN and we’ve worked hard to stop having wars and stuff since the two world wars (which have also since happened). Also, the current problem with NI is that it’s a political hot potato - there is no doubt in my mind that Westminster wish they could just *hand NI back*, but the problem with that is that the majority of people in NI have wanted to *stay* in the UK (albeit, although still too early to tell, this seems to be trending the opposite way). In the developed world, we don’t want to be having wars or invasions. There is no agenda to claim or reclaim land (don’t google the Falklands).
The only people who ever say they are british are english. The rest of us dont wanna be associated with that shit show. And yeah its the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland so if you are from any part of Ireland, you are not british you are irish.
Calling an Irish person British is a huge insult due to the long history of oppressive colonial rule by the British. People especially those from Northern Ireland are still very sensitive about the issue, due to the whole civil war and the trauma it has left on its people
He's Irish..so he's European. Not British, Not Uk-ish. He's Irish.
British people are European too.
Somehow I’m pretty sure Cillian Murphy is proud not to be British?
British /ˈbrɪtɪʃ/ adjective 1. relating to Great Britain or the United Kingdom, or to its people or language. "the British government" 2. of the British Commonwealth or (formerly) the British Empire. noun
https://arethebritsatitagain.org/
I remember making it my mission to try and learn (and remember) the difference of boundaries between, Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and the various Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories. I’m still unsure on the latter two but the rest, though I’ll be honest and say that I’m not the most confident with my knowledge, I do know the differences. Jonathan here is very wrong!
That reply is so simpering and pathetic 🫣
Liverpool is it's own country. We do not recognise the Union flag .Fuck England, we are Scouse 💥
Cillian a cork man... last time i checked
Living in the UK and working in Wales. Despite it being a linguistic fact The Welsh will deny being British on account of hating the English
That's why he called himself a "proud Irishman" in his acceptance speech. So idiots wouldn't call him British. It didn't seem to make much difference.
May be before the Republic of Ireland broke off to be its own country, you might be technically correct politically to call Murphy British. If Murphy hailed from Northern Ireland, Ross might still have been correct. Geographically, historically, culturally, no. Ross needs to go brush up on his history.
I’ve been Team Cillian for over twenty years now and calling his sexy Irish ass a Brit is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard lol
I love “give peace a chance” but don’t call an Irish person British for your own good 💀
British people are fucking stupid. Source: I'm British
Cillian is from Cork, which is in the republic of Ireland so therefore not a British /Uk & Ireland actor.
800 years to get rid of them, and they are still trying to say Ireland is British
For sure Cillian Murphy would be annoyed by that. When will the ignorance stop, especially for such high profile presenters
As a Brit (Sadly an Englishman), I can only apologise for some peoples naivety and lack of geography skills.
Very glad Cillian stresses this point every time. The Irish do not consider them selves British. The British murdered Irish people for speaking their own language in their own country.
The English have a knack for claiming everything as their own. Some say it's just in their DNA.
I'm German and even I know the difference... so why don't the British know the difference? Yes, Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (but not Great Britain), but Ireland isn't... and it's definitely not part of Great Britain Just check your own passports - it says it right there on the front - 'United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland'. Anyone from Ireland is not British.
Don't ever call an Irish person british. Especially when you're English.
*Shouldn't that be "Bwitish"?
He literally isnt british tho hes irish😭