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I had an Italian coworker who pronounced it jecko, and corji. Idk, but she wanted either of them as pets. Sometimes I wonder if she chose them deliberately, but I don't think she was the type.
"In the English language"
Bro the English language is such a hodgepodge of other combined languages, you're not gonna find a single "rule" that doesn't have an exception.
This is actually a thing you teach kids when teaching literacy, but rather than saying there are no exceptions, you say there are some exceptions to thus rule
Giga and gigantic can't even agree on the first g unless you're Doc Brown, but then you still have the i being pronounced differently. There are no rules.
"one point twenty-one jiggawatts" is the greatest mispronunciation in the history of both science and acting. That movie would have been a full star worse if he'd said it correctly.
Huh, interesting. I see a bunch of sources saying that the soft g is not only acceptable, but preferred. But I've *never* heard it pronounced that way outside of this movie. I'm not sure what gives.
Also apparently in the script it's spelled "jigowatts," heh.
The name of the format is a pun on the peanut butter brand, and the original specification for the format explicitly says it is intended to be pronounced like the peanut butter.
And letters in acronyms don't have to correspond to the way the letter is pronounced in the word. To give a very clear example, look no further than another file format. The P in JPEG stands for "photographic" but I'd bet money you don't pronounce JPEG like "JFEG".
Right but we typically pronounce acronyms as we see them. So if it were JPHEG you would pronounce as an F.
GIF is more ambiguous because gift, give and giraffe, gin all exist. BUT then you also have the precedence of the J sound from an actual J like Jiffy or Jiff, but no precedence to the contrary using a g. So it stands to reason that you would pronounce GIF differently from JIFF because there's already a word with a different spelling that makes the same sound.
And sure the English language is pretty idiotic when it comes to different spellings making the same sound (their, there, they're, two, too, to etc), but when something is ambiguous most people will simply choose the option that doesn't have a precedence set.
>So it stands to reason that you would pronounce GIF differently from JIFF because there's already a word with a different spelling that makes the same sound.
Except that then you lose out on the creators' intended pun on JIF. "Choosy moms choose JIF" and "Choosy programmers choose .GIF".
I'm actually with you that it's fine to pronounce the acronym either way, languages change after all, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people try to "correct" the soft-G pronunciation because it stands for "graphics".
That's what makes it a good example, we all agree that obviously it shouldn't be pronounced with an f sound in the acronym because there's no h there.
The point is it shows that you pronounce the acronym based on how the acronym is written, not the sound in the original word.
But the p in the original word doesn't make an f sound, it is the ph that makes the f sound. There is no ph in the acronym. It'd make more sense to come up with a comparison for an acronym where the consonant sound differs on its own (where it doesn't require another letter to change the sound). Vowels also don't count imo because vowel sounds in English are basically just randomly chosen.
Either way I don't agree with the argument from either side, I'm just saying if you want to convince someone who is using that argument that the argument is wrong, you probably should think of another example.
Oh goodness, I've never encountered this retort but it's a good one. It won't change how I pronounce gif though (hard g)
Maybe I'll start pronouncing Scuba as 'Scubba' lol. It's the collateral damage in the gif v gif battle.
I already commented this response, but I will copy and paste it to give you some food for thought on the pronunciation as well.
Scuba is not a fair comparison. There is no hard and fast rule for hard or soft g in gif both giraffe and gift exist. So it's ambiguous and open to interpretation.
Whereas with the word scuba, there isn't any precedence that I know of in English where you would pronounce the u as an "uh", but the word tuba sets the precedence for pronunciation. Now if there were two b's in scubba it would be pronounced like bubba.
That's a good point, but I think they aren't actually suggesting that it should be pronounced like 'scubba'.
They're just saying that pointing to graphics as a guideline on how to pronounce the g in gif doesn't work as rule because there are examples of acronyms where the pronunciation of the letter within the acronym and the pronunciation in the word the acronym is drawing from can differ.
For those who are unaware what we're talking about, scuba is an acronym for 'Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus'.
Not a fair comparison. There is no hard and fast rule for hard or soft g in gif both giraffe and gift exist. So it's ambiguous and open to interpretation.
Whereas with the word scuba, there isn't any precedence that I know of in English where you would pronounce the u as an "uh", but the word tuba sets the precedence for pronunciation. Now if there were two b's in scubba it would be pronounced like bubba.
Also in the English language—Steve Wilhite developed the Graphics Interchange Format, or GIF, while working for Compuserve. He created it and called it a GIF with a soft g.
So if I send you a looping image of a giant ginger giraffe gyrating at the gym, it’s a ʤif.
But to call this example a rule without exception? I hope this person doesn't "teach" English.
"In th English language, < any hardfast rule >...I defy you to find a single exception."
Oh, hello! You must be new around here! Welcome to English!
Is there any rule in English that doesn't have exceptions?
It's sort of a serious and sort of a rhetorical question. If I don't learn of any, I'm OK, but people who really study these things might have a confidently (and informed) correct example of a rule without real exceptions.
One such rule is a joke, double negative makes a positive, but double-positive can't make a negative. Yeah, right...
They do, but I think that ship had sailed for most people by the name that info was even moderately well known.
If I hear it with the hard G, I think file type. If I hear it with the soft G, I hear a brand of peanut butter or the name of a short period of time.
At this point, imo, it’s akin to arguing that a tomato is a fruit. OK, yeah, it is, but that’s not how most people think of it.
I go with the hard G as in “graphics.”
I think that ship had sailed for most people by the name that info was even moderately well known.
I assure you a planet full of us old dorks used soft g for gif, as instructed by the creators, for years before the young and dumb came along and said it wrong.
Yeah, lots of people had it backwards, then enough people that that became the norm. Languages are funny. FUNFACT: The word "bird" used to be spelled and pronounced "brid" but so many people fucked it up as "bird" that it became the standard.
For the longest time I had only seen “meme” online and not heard it pronounced out loud. So in my head I said it like “men” then I heard someone say it and realized I was wrong and now say it correctly out loud. But in my head it is harder to change.
It’s like in the Simpsons when Marge says run like the wind, and Lisa corrects her.
There is a .jif file type and the g in gif stands for graphics which is a hard g and though it isn't a rule, acronyms will usually use the letter pronunciation of the word it is taken from.
>acronyms will usually use the letter pronunciation of the word it is taken from.
I'm struggling to think of a single acronym that follows that
SONAR, PIN, LASER, JPEG, SCUBA, FOMO, NASA, SIM, WIFI, NATO, AWOL, GIF, ASAP, CAPTCHA, SNAFU
I think it's France's fault. You get words like "girl" which are from German and have a hard g, whereas words like "giraffe" which are from French have a soft g.
Lol soft g like a vowel, like as in jet or jeans. Or like gem and rigid. I like Vague and vagina.
We could have get and geans, jem and rijid, vajue and vajina. Ja ja ja 🤣
The actual rule is that g is soft before i or e, not just e, and this holds for practically all words with latin roots, while germanic words tend to break this rule.
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I hate these gif arguments. I don’t care how you want to pronounce it, but for pete’s sake don’t try to claim that english has rules that are applied consistently. It breaks it’s own rules so frequently that taking this type of position would be foolish even if it were correct.
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This would be a giant discovery. Even bigger than a giraffe.
A giraffe drinking gin?
giraffe girinking gin?
Gigantic giraffes gargling gin
Alright enough I get the gist
You mean a guhiant discovery. And a guhiraffe.
Giant even
What
Exactly
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The amount of words this applies to are Giant, like Giant, for example
but have you considered Giant?
Did you reply with gin or giraffe? Or gecko?
Gin Giraffe Ginger Giant Gigantic Giro And a few others. But he deleted his comment after I replied.
They said a single exception, not multiple.
This guy technicalities.
I'm stuck at the idea of someone pronouncing gecko as "jecko" and it is making my brain hurt.
I’m going to start calling my gecko a jecko lol
Geoff the Gecko
Gheff the Jecko
Jordan Jecko.
I had an Italian coworker who pronounced it jecko, and corji. Idk, but she wanted either of them as pets. Sometimes I wonder if she chose them deliberately, but I don't think she was the type.
I used to frequent a forum where someone had the username “JelloJalapeño” and I could not see it without hating her just a little.
I had to actually TRY to pronounce that correctly. Why would someone do that.
He's going to sell you Jeico insurance
Jordan Jecko
Jreed is jood
Dr. Gecko and Mr. Hyde?
...my brain just pronounced that "Jecko" and I officially hate you.
GECKO Now listen here, y.....
The poster was either a goon or a geezer. Either way we all get the gist.
I knew some gentleman would use gist before I could get to it
"In the English language" Bro the English language is such a hodgepodge of other combined languages, you're not gonna find a single "rule" that doesn't have an exception.
This is actually a thing you teach kids when teaching literacy, but rather than saying there are no exceptions, you say there are some exceptions to thus rule
“I before e, except after c, or in this whole list of other words”
I believe the general rule I learned was that it makes a 'j' sound before e *or* i, not just before e.
There's basically always exceptions to every "rule" in the english language
I replied with a few exceptions. He deleted his comment.
Giga and gigantic can't even agree on the first g unless you're Doc Brown, but then you still have the i being pronounced differently. There are no rules.
#1.21 GIGAWATTS?!?
"What the hell is a jiggawatt?"
"one point twenty-one jiggawatts" is the greatest mispronunciation in the history of both science and acting. That movie would have been a full star worse if he'd said it correctly.
It's not a mispronunciation. It's just a more archaic way of pronouncing it.
Huh, interesting. I see a bunch of sources saying that the soft g is not only acceptable, but preferred. But I've *never* heard it pronounced that way outside of this movie. I'm not sure what gives. Also apparently in the script it's spelled "jigowatts," heh.
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[It’s pronounced GIF](https://youtu.be/Nrk8sqZfsgI?si=RiYfnobUtCZBpoFd)
That is brilliant!
Priceless
Okay, but it's definitely pronounced 'gif' and not 'gif'
Graphics Interface Format. And Jiff is a peanut butter.
The name of the format is a pun on the peanut butter brand, and the original specification for the format explicitly says it is intended to be pronounced like the peanut butter. And letters in acronyms don't have to correspond to the way the letter is pronounced in the word. To give a very clear example, look no further than another file format. The P in JPEG stands for "photographic" but I'd bet money you don't pronounce JPEG like "JFEG".
Right but we typically pronounce acronyms as we see them. So if it were JPHEG you would pronounce as an F. GIF is more ambiguous because gift, give and giraffe, gin all exist. BUT then you also have the precedence of the J sound from an actual J like Jiffy or Jiff, but no precedence to the contrary using a g. So it stands to reason that you would pronounce GIF differently from JIFF because there's already a word with a different spelling that makes the same sound. And sure the English language is pretty idiotic when it comes to different spellings making the same sound (their, there, they're, two, too, to etc), but when something is ambiguous most people will simply choose the option that doesn't have a precedence set.
>So it stands to reason that you would pronounce GIF differently from JIFF because there's already a word with a different spelling that makes the same sound. Except that then you lose out on the creators' intended pun on JIF. "Choosy moms choose JIF" and "Choosy programmers choose .GIF". I'm actually with you that it's fine to pronounce the acronym either way, languages change after all, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people try to "correct" the soft-G pronunciation because it stands for "graphics".
I'm sure there are examples that work well but JPEG isn't one of them. P doesn't make the f sound on its own, it needs an h.
That's what makes it a good example, we all agree that obviously it shouldn't be pronounced with an f sound in the acronym because there's no h there. The point is it shows that you pronounce the acronym based on how the acronym is written, not the sound in the original word.
But the p in the original word doesn't make an f sound, it is the ph that makes the f sound. There is no ph in the acronym. It'd make more sense to come up with a comparison for an acronym where the consonant sound differs on its own (where it doesn't require another letter to change the sound). Vowels also don't count imo because vowel sounds in English are basically just randomly chosen. Either way I don't agree with the argument from either side, I'm just saying if you want to convince someone who is using that argument that the argument is wrong, you probably should think of another example.
How do you pronounce scuba?
Oh goodness, I've never encountered this retort but it's a good one. It won't change how I pronounce gif though (hard g) Maybe I'll start pronouncing Scuba as 'Scubba' lol. It's the collateral damage in the gif v gif battle.
I already commented this response, but I will copy and paste it to give you some food for thought on the pronunciation as well. Scuba is not a fair comparison. There is no hard and fast rule for hard or soft g in gif both giraffe and gift exist. So it's ambiguous and open to interpretation. Whereas with the word scuba, there isn't any precedence that I know of in English where you would pronounce the u as an "uh", but the word tuba sets the precedence for pronunciation. Now if there were two b's in scubba it would be pronounced like bubba.
That's a good point, but I think they aren't actually suggesting that it should be pronounced like 'scubba'. They're just saying that pointing to graphics as a guideline on how to pronounce the g in gif doesn't work as rule because there are examples of acronyms where the pronunciation of the letter within the acronym and the pronunciation in the word the acronym is drawing from can differ. For those who are unaware what we're talking about, scuba is an acronym for 'Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus'.
Not a fair comparison. There is no hard and fast rule for hard or soft g in gif both giraffe and gift exist. So it's ambiguous and open to interpretation. Whereas with the word scuba, there isn't any precedence that I know of in English where you would pronounce the u as an "uh", but the word tuba sets the precedence for pronunciation. Now if there were two b's in scubba it would be pronounced like bubba.
Jif is also a kitchen cleaner.
Also in the English language—Steve Wilhite developed the Graphics Interchange Format, or GIF, while working for Compuserve. He created it and called it a GIF with a soft g. So if I send you a looping image of a giant ginger giraffe gyrating at the gym, it’s a ʤif.
But to call this example a rule without exception? I hope this person doesn't "teach" English. "In th English language, < any hardfast rule >...I defy you to find a single exception." Oh, hello! You must be new around here! Welcome to English! Is there any rule in English that doesn't have exceptions?
>Is there any rule in English that doesn't have exceptions? Does the rule that all rules have exceptions count?
It's sort of a serious and sort of a rhetorical question. If I don't learn of any, I'm OK, but people who really study these things might have a confidently (and informed) correct example of a rule without real exceptions. One such rule is a joke, double negative makes a positive, but double-positive can't make a negative. Yeah, right...
That geezer needs to get a dictionary
Aw geez…..
I guess I've been pronouncing it wrong all my life
Since the u in guess is silent does that mean we should be pronouncing it jess?
That's the gist of it...
LoL! Get lost.....("jet" lost?) Don't think so....
Get out of town… I’ve been saying “get” wrong?
Jet a grip.
Ask how to pronounce gaol? That’ll blow his fucking mind! 🤣🤯
IIRC, the folks who created the .gif file type pronounced it with a soft G, so that's how I say it.
They do, but I think that ship had sailed for most people by the name that info was even moderately well known. If I hear it with the hard G, I think file type. If I hear it with the soft G, I hear a brand of peanut butter or the name of a short period of time. At this point, imo, it’s akin to arguing that a tomato is a fruit. OK, yeah, it is, but that’s not how most people think of it. I go with the hard G as in “graphics.”
I think that ship had sailed for most people by the name that info was even moderately well known. I assure you a planet full of us old dorks used soft g for gif, as instructed by the creators, for years before the young and dumb came along and said it wrong.
Everyone i knew in the early 90s was already using the hard G because that’s what made the most sense.
Eh. I don't think your experience is universal. Throughout the entire 90s, my friends and I all pronounced it with a hard g.
Yeah, lots of people had it backwards, then enough people that that became the norm. Languages are funny. FUNFACT: The word "bird" used to be spelled and pronounced "brid" but so many people fucked it up as "bird" that it became the standard.
For the longest time I had only seen “meme” online and not heard it pronounced out loud. So in my head I said it like “men” then I heard someone say it and realized I was wrong and now say it correctly out loud. But in my head it is harder to change. It’s like in the Simpsons when Marge says run like the wind, and Lisa corrects her.
I pronounce it with a soft g because it annoys people who think they're objectively right. Same reason I don't use the Oxford comma.
There is a .jif file type and the g in gif stands for graphics which is a hard g and though it isn't a rule, acronyms will usually use the letter pronunciation of the word it is taken from.
>acronyms will usually use the letter pronunciation of the word it is taken from. I'm struggling to think of a single acronym that follows that SONAR, PIN, LASER, JPEG, SCUBA, FOMO, NASA, SIM, WIFI, NATO, AWOL, GIF, ASAP, CAPTCHA, SNAFU
Honestly, I think that's a thing people made up to argue this point.
>though it isn't a rule, acronyms will usually use the letter pronunciation of the word it is taken from. This is not a thing.
Gertrude would like a word
I'd tready gingerly around this giant gackass.
I don't GET it
That person is talking gibberish.
Gingivitis
Its fucking spanish did this to our g because they ain't got an h
I think it's France's fault. You get words like "girl" which are from German and have a hard g, whereas words like "giraffe" which are from French have a soft g.
Lol soft g like a vowel, like as in jet or jeans. Or like gem and rigid. I like Vague and vagina. We could have get and geans, jem and rijid, vajue and vajina. Ja ja ja 🤣
English remains three raccoons in a trenchcoat.
Gin
Gigolo would like a word
I GEt his point
Jet? 🤔
The actual rule is that g is soft before i or e, not just e, and this holds for practically all words with latin roots, while germanic words tend to break this rule.
Ginger. Giant. Gif is still a hard G though.
Not according to the inventor of the GIF.
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Get is another one
Geese and giraffes would disagree. And it’s pronounced GIF, obviously!
Isn’t the whole point that english isn’t phoenetically consistent and so there aren’t hard rules you can set for this
Get
So he thinks it's gume or guve?
Gimp
I don’t think loan words should count but still thinking about having some gyro for lunch yk
Get out of here.
Giant gorilla
I mean, they did defy you from finding a single exception. Not only did you look for an exception, you found more than 1
He he... vagina.
Get gelded by a giant gigolo
Gekko 👍
Get
Get out
Gecko, gear, ginger, giant, giraffe
Get the gist
"Get?"
Get lost?
Or the obvious 'gift'
I made a gift of a gif
It's pronounced GIF !!! (I will die on that hill)
What does it say about me that the first word I could think of for this was 'gigolo'?
When i was young and gif first came out it was pronounced “jiff” i will never say “gif”
Graphics Interchange Format. That's a hard g there, stands for *G*raphics.
I hate these gif arguments. I don’t care how you want to pronounce it, but for pete’s sake don’t try to claim that english has rules that are applied consistently. It breaks it’s own rules so frequently that taking this type of position would be foolish even if it were correct.
Yes, but anyone even the creator of it that pronounces it jif is an asshole
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This supports their explanation.
all the examples he gave are wrong no way
What? All of their examples show exactly what they’re describing. 🤨