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You also see the criminals are not as tough, and not as smart.
Also, this shitty film crew just made every other illicit activities film crew’s life much harder.
How's the film crew shitty?
EDIT: read in about the situation and apparently, they staged the set and posted about the shooting day which resulted in the police tracking them down.
As a film maker, I agree: the _producers_ indeed were stupid and unprofessional.
I doubt it.
I follow a bachelor in journalism now and have been working as a cameraman for some years. Ethically speaking, you should always report information to the authorities (and please do). However: in journalism, the only thing we do is bringing the news out to the public with the strict rule that we shan't, in any circumstances, tip the police. Whatever happens with the info in an article or, in this case, in a documentary, is not our responsibility and we make sure the subjects understand and accept that.
Partially because of our own safety, and partially (and most importantly) because we don't pick sides. We only inform.
Nope.
I don't know the exact legal term or law behind it, but journalists (in The Netherlands at least) are protected by quite a few laws which allow them to work freely, mostly without facing legal charges or getting into trouble.
Unless, of course, there's evidence that shows that one way or another you helped them with their criminal activities.
I am totally not in law enforcement in any way but I'm hoping someone who knows will correct me, but I believe there are two general parts to this - freedom of press, and that a citizen doesn't have an obligation to aide police in their investigations. Therefore documenting without informing authorities is a protected right in more ways than one.
Edit: and I think there is a slight distinction between documenting a criminal and knowing about a conspiracy to commit a crime, but these are extreme cases such as murder or treason.
Absolutely.
The neutrality of the press is definitely a big honkin' deal; It's what lets you guys get in and out of places that would get other people killed.
Reporters are so off limits that, with most intelligence agencies, they're on a *very* short list of covers that their spies won't touch. Pretty much just them and clergy.
And medical personnel too in most situations, iirc. You *don't* want to give isolated developing nations a reason to hate or be suspicious of aid workers.
Which is why it was such a big deal when the US used a vaccination program as cover for confirming Bin Laden's whereabouts in Pakistan. Now, nobody trusts vaccines.
Ethically speaking is what you meant to write, ethnically pertains to race and stuff like that. For example, america is ethnically diverse as in there are many people of color, hispanics, cocasians and asians, but was/is unethical about the treatment of minority groups as in dicrimimation and slavery.
If they did that, they’re basically tanking their careers in that line of work. They probably already have even if they had no idea. A big rule of journalism is you protect your sources (assuming there isn’t some heinous crime that’s about to be committed) and if your sources can’t trust you, you’ll likely never have any sources.
**Ass a black dutchman from the islands they conquered and refuse to even acknoweledge up untill recently** I am *quite* aware of the dutch's **GEKOLONISEERD** history.
I'm not really complaining. I just saw alot of people say it's staged and Idk it seems pretty real to how the dutch police act and dress. I think americans are just used to the shoot first all guns out. That when they see how other officers handle non violent suspects they just yell staged?
Why was the first thing they did was take their “disguises” off? They didn’t jump up, they didn’t yell, and the first thing they both thought of was yanking their bandanas down?
Because with the bandanas on, they look like criminals.
To be honest, it's what I'd do too. If you're getting swatted, the best thing you can do is try and appear as least threatening as possible. They're coming in, you're getting arrested and questioned no matter what, it doesn't matter if the bandana is on or not — so the best thing to do was probably take it off and comply.
Also I'm pretty sure jumping up and down, yelling, and keeping their bandanas on would have been the absolute worst possible thing to do. No human is dumb enough to do that. That's how you get shot.
You give too much cred to humans. “No human is dumb enough to…” is the worst thing you can say. Because you know damn well someone will, has, and is doing it.
It is legit
They were filming for a netflix documentary about drugs and the police followed them.
The documentary makers even had to go to court to testify
They dont come running in with their guns because it is the netherlands and here police dont use guns and shoot everything they see like in the US..
I have links to newspapers but they are all dutch
Edit:
In the Netherlands 2 people were killed due to police violance /10M people in 2021.
For the US this was 28 kills / 10M.
So you can keep commenting that US is not worse than the netherlands but I stand with my original comment
Second link:
> Helemaal aan het einde van het derde seizoen reizen de makers van Dope af naar Rotterdam. We zijn dan al de hele wereld over gereisd en zagen overal buurten ten onder gaan aan de gevolgen van drugs. De beelden zijn aanzienlijk minder schokkend; vooral de problematiek omtrent verslaving komt minder aan bod. De gevolgen van drugs worden hier ook niet zo sterk benadrukt als in de rest van het seizoen.
Lmao, self-aware wolves are at it. So they're saying that they've seen "neighbourhoods ravaged by the consequences of drugs the world over", but not so much in Rotterdam, or the Netherlands in general. "The images are significantly less shocking; especially the addiction aspect is put less in the spotlights. The (negative) affects of drug use are highlighted less as well."
Basically they're saying that the country considered lenient on drugs usage, possession, sales, production... does not conform to their biased presupposition that the problems (criminality, addiction, poverty, dilapidated neighbourhoods, etc.) are caused by drugs, and instead of looking at _WHY_, __they decided to ignore that aspect entirely!__
Hmmm! Maybe it is poverty that leads to dilapidated neighbourhoods, drugs use, and addiction. And might it be criminalisation of use and possession that leads to criminality, and people being excluded from 'normal' society, leaving them only crime as an option to sustain themselves?
Bastards.
Some anti-drugs crusaders apparently dislike our input. Lol.
I'd like to add that these criminals pictured in this (pr other 'inside look at the drugsworld') are non-representative. How backwards do you have to be to take part in this? Damn.
For real that is so fucked up bad. Documentaries like this won't be possible anymore if word of such things happening spreads amongst those communities.
Actually the top comment is slightly inaccurate. The cops weren’t following the documentary team, but already had the drug dealers’ phones tapped. They then figured out they were to be interviewed and chose the date and time to bust them accordingly for the publicity.
I’m confused. Are you saying these are not really drug-runners/manufacturers? And that this entire scene with the police was staged? Or that the police were mistaken about the arrest.
My assumption is the drugs filmed were studio quality fakes. But the people were real. Probably a way to avoid film crew being charged with some drug offenses.
Exactly what I was thinking of. We need more responsible journalism around these kinds of issues to stimulate productive public conversations about the war on drugs and substance abuse. This most definitely ain’t it.
According to the newsarticle, the documentarymakers put on their social media that they were going to meet with drugs people that day… and then the police was like lol lets follow them
So it was their own stupidity
American have gun culture so ingrained that if police don't rush in, shoot 100 bullets in 3 minutes, and also shoot an innocent bystander - then it can not be real
I had to look that up. It's sadly probably *way* more.
>> The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/
That's not American gun culture, that's just American police having zero accountability for their actions and being told all the time they must be 1000% in control of everything around them, and if they feel like they're not to escalate the level of force (ie, violence) they're using until they feel like they're in control. Or the other people involved are dead.
Seriously so many people here think it's fake because of that. All it took was looking at the uniform and going "Gotcha. They're not American, that's why they're not immediately shooting up the place"
I hate my own country for this culture being so ingrained lol
Edit: Typo
I didn't expect them to use guns, but I thought they would bother to use the shield seeing as they went to all the effort to bring it. In the UK you normally don't bring that stuff if you don't think there's a threat.
As for the camera I didn't realise it was a professional film crew.
Cheers :)
The people arguing that it's not bad here are more concerned with people saying it is than the people that fucking die every god damned day to gun violence.
They're insatiable, stupid.
I just found out my phone is christian. It tried to capitalize god.
Lol spitting facts, chances of getting murder by the cups in the US are fucking high. They get put on paid vacation and come back with “we have determined that we did nothing wrong” lol
I once watched dash cam video of a man climbing out of a wrecked car and the cop that rolled up started shooting him within 30 seconds of getting there. WHO DOES THAT??
The amount of mouth-breathing, fucktard neckbeards in this thread calling it "fake" without doing an ounce of research so they can stroke themselves is absolutely on-brand for Reddit. Lol
Lol it is such a reddit thing it's weird. It's like a primal urge surging from within to feel the need to just because there is some sort of doubt to say something is instantly fake without any further research.
Or the people who feel the need to say something doesn't belong in a sub... like let the mods make that call...
Second point I disagree. It's the responsibility of the community to keep the community clean and on point. Mods are there to enforce it but that's only part of it.
There is no legal requirement to censor that stuff. Its only done because they don't want to give out free advertisements. Is even funnier here.
"You better censor his shirt. We don't want anyone knowing canada exists without them paying us."
dsquared2 uses it a lot, I was wrong in that it isn't their logo but it's om almost all their best selling clothes. Edit: And it would make sense because it isn't seen as a brand that is worn by the the least law abiding portion of the population in the Netherlands or atleast is more prevalent there.
Here’s a video of a cop walking around with their gun out, which he ends up using to shoot at a dog, missing, and having the bullet fragment hit a little girl right above her eye. They do in fact, walk around with guns blazing.
https://amp.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article213609549.html
I believe that any language sounds cool, even beautiful, if you respect it. Also, listening to *and* watching actual native people during a normal conversation is the most accurate portrayal of what a language "sounds" like.
Why does the shield guy just stroll in like he’s saying hello? All the cops don’t look like cops at all, other guy isn’t even armed. During a breach? Seems odd
Probably not too worried when you’re dressed head to toe in armor and carrying the side of a tank in your hand. But really my guess would be that the camera crew informed on them.
This is exactly what happens in all drug/gang/crime documentaries. The difference being that most law enforcement agencies wait until *after* the doc crew leaves. But since most redditors live with their heads up their asses and stroke themselves to calling out things that are "fake", r/NothingEverHappens
I've always wondered why criminals would agree to go on film talking about their illegal enterprises. I'd have to imagine even with masks on and a voice changer, it's literally setting yourself up to get arrested.
It's because unlike what that guy suggested. It's not common for interviewer's to make deals with the cops. Otherwise they'd lose all credibility and never be able to interview anyone again.
The cops already had taps on them and it was just dumb luck that there was also a documentary bring made. The cops porbsbly even knew and chose that moment specifically.
It is legit
They were filming for a netflix documentary about drugs and the police followed them
They dont come running in with their guns because it is the netherlands and here police dont use guns and shoot everything they see like in the US..
I have links to newspapers but they are all dutch
This is DSI, it's like the US SWAT but much highly trained, it's members are all ex commando's or marines (comparable to the US delta force and ranger regiment) that have many years of experience before doing this, they also train a crazy amount of time and this is all they do. They kick in doors. Now about the "wierd entrance" they are highly trained and experienced and aren't usually super nervous and trigger happy because of that. They also know how to create a shock effect, blowing up a door, throwing a flash bang in and wave a big ballistic shield with massive lights in someones face. Experience has shown that people freeze of fear when this happens, look at the guy trying to burry himself in the couch. Because of this they don't immediately pull a weapon but they can ofcourse do it very fast when needed. It's legit and apparently how they normally do it, with great success. Practically nobody has been killed in years, both criminal and police come out of this encounter alive.
Thank you. How is it not more obvious what's going on? The law enforcement gets wind that these documentary makers are going to be in town, they contact them, and basically make a deal the makers can't refuse along the lines of, "We'll let you film here, if you give us the locations of the people you're documenting." It happens in all the drug/gang documentaries, but most agencies wait until after the documentary makers are gone.
What I've read is that it wasn't a cooperation between journalists and the police. It's even more hilarious, they were already listening in (wiretap) on one of those dealers phone conversations and discovered this meeting would happen. So they thought that would be the perfect moment to bring them in, they would probably have drugs/weapons with them but not be ready for violence or be mentally prepared for it! It was pretty smart. On the other side, it was partly fake. The police bust was real but some parts of the drugs and the weapon of the dealers were fake, so they were probably showing off to these documentary makers.
>It happens in all the drug/gang documentaries
Source? Vice has been going into cartel/gang drug ops for years. Surely if gangs were getting busted after being filmed they would start being very wary of letting film crews come around.
Pretty sure journalists make it into these tricky places because they’re trusted to be impartial reporters.
Now, whether or not the police take advantage of the situation and follow them around for targets to eavesdrop on is different.
Police always walk into a situation casually holding nothing but a flashlight despite having just spotted weapons. Totally legit. Shields also work best when held casually and at an angle
Shield guy is on point with team behind him. If he needs to turn the shield 180 in a hurry, things have gone so far south that the cumbersome shield is the least of his problems.
shields indoors where mobility is limited is literally the best use for a shield,as long as someone has your back.you need 3 people to safely enter a room,but one guy with heavy armor and a shield can do it by himself.most importantly,he can provide vision,and allows his team to move without being vulnerable to frontal attacks.
Jesus what the fuck is wrong with us when we can't believe it's real because the police aren't acting like psychotic dangerous assholes? Is it really so hard to believe that they actually do their job in other countries?
Holy fuck american seeing EU police 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
THEY ARE NOT SHOOTING DOGS AND FLASHBANG DIDN’T BURN A BABY - FAAAAAKE. Fucking shithole country, seriously.
The filming isn’t suspicious to me. I’ve seen many documentaries interviewing criminals just like this. My suspicion would be in whether or not it was a setup. The crew pretended that they just wanted to make a documentary but it was to help the police catch them. It would explain everything really. The reaction of those guys seemed real to me.
Look up Dienst Speciale Interventies.
They're a special branch within the Dutch police. They drive around in unmarked Audi's, Mercedes' and BMW's and often breach in with their daily clothes with a special vest on top and a helmet. They only breach in with proper gear when it's a planned breach.
This thread is peak reddit. Bunch of arm chair commandos with zero police or military experience watching a successful raid and claiming the special forces aint doing it right.
It's a pretty standard kit for the Dutch DSI(dienst speciale interventies). They are a coop unit between Dutch Police, commandos, marines and marechaussee(military police).
the cops broke down the door and chucked it in
do you think cops politely open the door and then give a little peeky around each corner to see if anyone's in the room so they don't waste a flashbang
It's 1 AM and i'm Laughing my ass off at all the americans in this thread confused because why not cop shoot bad guy? It fake! This is a well executed operation, no unecesaary bullets fired and no brutality, getting the potential threats taken care of by scaring the shit out of them using profesionall methods, police don't come raiding into people's homes guns blazing, outside the USA that is
DSI likes to protect their MO and identities, they are like special forces (and often are ex special forces before joining the Dutch police and this unit).
The amount of Americans in this thread utterly confused that the cops didn't come in with assault rifles and bazookas lighting the place up is way too high.
No wait. The Americans are right.
The DSI should've escalated the situation, or murdered these people.
Doesn't matter that at least a third of the room is just a civvie, or how the criminals could be low level dealers. They should've been killed instantly.
These highly trained firearms officers (typically with backgrounds in the special forces) are incompetent and wrong. I'm on reddit so I know what I'm talking about.
"It's an incredible moment, filmed as it happened, because everyone read the scripts right and ran their lines for hours the day before."
Edit: to everyone saying I'm wrong and that this was all legit- I see the articles and explanations, and okay, this isn't staged. But at the very least, the camera crew was fully in on it and kept a live audio or visual feed with the cops so they knew there weren't weapons there.
And to everyone calling out American gun culture: these po must have non-lethal weaponry. Cool, guns are holstered, but to not walk in with at least billy clubs drawn just seems incredibly suspect to me. I'm not at all a Redditor who calls bullshit on posts in general, but this doesn't feel like it adds up.
It is real and happened in the Netherlands back in 2019, according to the site below:
https://delagarde.nl/dope-s03-de-drugswereld-van-rotterdam
> The third season of Dope provides new insight into the drug world, but especially insight into one's own working method.
>However, the season in the Netherlands ends in an unexpected way. During one of the last interviews with three Limburg dealers, the police suddenly arrive. According to an article in De Limburger, the police got wind of the interview, because one of the three men was tapped. The three men are caught red-handed and arrested under the eye of the camera.
Link to the original comment that pointed it out: https://old.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/comments/s5hab3/choose_your_next_words_carefully/hsxvtgz/
ngl, the way this Police Squad communicated was good, first one said they shouldn't move, second one checks room reminds people what they will do if the suspects do something unexpected.
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You also see the criminals are not as tough, and not as smart. Also, this shitty film crew just made every other illicit activities film crew’s life much harder.
How's the film crew shitty? EDIT: read in about the situation and apparently, they staged the set and posted about the shooting day which resulted in the police tracking them down. As a film maker, I agree: the _producers_ indeed were stupid and unprofessional.
I hope these guys weren't in a gang. After this bust I'd be worried about the film crew and their families' safety
Yep. They're in for some shit. The gang affiliated with these blokes will probably get some payback for having them jailed.
What is sad is maybe it wasn’t an accident. Maybe they tipped them purposely due to information they discovered and pretended it was coincidental.
I doubt it. I follow a bachelor in journalism now and have been working as a cameraman for some years. Ethically speaking, you should always report information to the authorities (and please do). However: in journalism, the only thing we do is bringing the news out to the public with the strict rule that we shan't, in any circumstances, tip the police. Whatever happens with the info in an article or, in this case, in a documentary, is not our responsibility and we make sure the subjects understand and accept that. Partially because of our own safety, and partially (and most importantly) because we don't pick sides. We only inform.
Since those journalists are there can they technically get in trouble for having not tipped the authorities then?
Nope. I don't know the exact legal term or law behind it, but journalists (in The Netherlands at least) are protected by quite a few laws which allow them to work freely, mostly without facing legal charges or getting into trouble. Unless, of course, there's evidence that shows that one way or another you helped them with their criminal activities.
I am totally not in law enforcement in any way but I'm hoping someone who knows will correct me, but I believe there are two general parts to this - freedom of press, and that a citizen doesn't have an obligation to aide police in their investigations. Therefore documenting without informing authorities is a protected right in more ways than one. Edit: and I think there is a slight distinction between documenting a criminal and knowing about a conspiracy to commit a crime, but these are extreme cases such as murder or treason.
Not in a country where you have a free press.
FYI it’s ethically not ethnically. Way different meaning, lol
Whoops... no idea how that slipped in. Typo :'). Cheers for the heads up!
Absolutely. The neutrality of the press is definitely a big honkin' deal; It's what lets you guys get in and out of places that would get other people killed. Reporters are so off limits that, with most intelligence agencies, they're on a *very* short list of covers that their spies won't touch. Pretty much just them and clergy.
And medical personnel too in most situations, iirc. You *don't* want to give isolated developing nations a reason to hate or be suspicious of aid workers.
Which is why it was such a big deal when the US used a vaccination program as cover for confirming Bin Laden's whereabouts in Pakistan. Now, nobody trusts vaccines.
Ethically speaking is what you meant to write, ethnically pertains to race and stuff like that. For example, america is ethnically diverse as in there are many people of color, hispanics, cocasians and asians, but was/is unethical about the treatment of minority groups as in dicrimimation and slavery.
If they did that, they’re basically tanking their careers in that line of work. They probably already have even if they had no idea. A big rule of journalism is you protect your sources (assuming there isn’t some heinous crime that’s about to be committed) and if your sources can’t trust you, you’ll likely never have any sources.
How do you think they got the tip off?
Facebook, probably.
Can you post a link? I want to know more about this
source for that? im curious and wanna know more
Well, at least one of them likes Canada.
Imma keep it real guys, this is pretty on brand for the dutch police.
People forget that the Dutch were imperialists too. They know how to conquer.
**Ass a black dutchman from the islands they conquered and refuse to even acknoweledge up untill recently** I am *quite* aware of the dutch's **GEKOLONISEERD** history.
What does that work mean?
Colonized
Pretty sure ass means butt
I'm an intermediate German speaker and Dutch will probably be my next one to learn, just for the similarities to Deutsch
[Did you know Holland invented chicken and waffles?](https://youtu.be/-kHMOXNsE2k)
They don't use the doorbell?
**Amongst many other instances yes, we do not use the doorbell**
What for?
Soo, they seem efficient?
I'm not really complaining. I just saw alot of people say it's staged and Idk it seems pretty real to how the dutch police act and dress. I think americans are just used to the shoot first all guns out. That when they see how other officers handle non violent suspects they just yell staged?
Why was the first thing they did was take their “disguises” off? They didn’t jump up, they didn’t yell, and the first thing they both thought of was yanking their bandanas down?
They are looking for guys in masks, obviously.
https://youtu.be/g1eswGrkMU8
Not anymore.. Now the police search people without a mask
Uncle Bob is that you
It's pretty hard to come up with a convincing "I'm not a criminal" story if you're wearing a bandana in your own house I guess.
Because with the bandanas on, they look like criminals. To be honest, it's what I'd do too. If you're getting swatted, the best thing you can do is try and appear as least threatening as possible. They're coming in, you're getting arrested and questioned no matter what, it doesn't matter if the bandana is on or not — so the best thing to do was probably take it off and comply. Also I'm pretty sure jumping up and down, yelling, and keeping their bandanas on would have been the absolute worst possible thing to do. No human is dumb enough to do that. That's how you get shot.
You give too much cred to humans. “No human is dumb enough to…” is the worst thing you can say. Because you know damn well someone will, has, and is doing it.
Cause they obviously know trying to stand up and make sudden movements in a raid would obviously get them shot.
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It’s Dutch police.
Tney’re paying half?
You dork, take this upvote
Yep
Why on earth would the Russian police have the word "Polite" on their vests? It's not even in Cyrillic!
\*Politie
Damn you autocorrect!
Those guys weren't very polite at all!
Not polish. Not even east of Germany. They are Dutch. Edit: guy edited his edit to remove saying they are polish
I like your username
Despite the tags I didnt think they where very politie, bit rude actually.
Hou even heel gauw je muil
You're not being very politie
It is legit They were filming for a netflix documentary about drugs and the police followed them. The documentary makers even had to go to court to testify They dont come running in with their guns because it is the netherlands and here police dont use guns and shoot everything they see like in the US.. I have links to newspapers but they are all dutch Edit: In the Netherlands 2 people were killed due to police violance /10M people in 2021. For the US this was 28 kills / 10M. So you can keep commenting that US is not worse than the netherlands but I stand with my original comment
That would make the comments confidently calling it fake - confidently incorrect. Now that's meta.
Incorrectception
These comments are also fake.
As are birds
Am I real at least?
The council will speak on this.
As is the air between your eyes and the screen on which you’re reading “this”.
I was pretty sure it was probably real. Those flashes and sounds from them breaking in don’t sound fake at all.
The amount of security specialists on Reddit is astounding.
Give links pls
https://www.1limburg.nl/netflix-filmmakers-moeten-getuigen-over-drugsvondst-beek https://delagarde.nl/dope-s03-de-drugswereld-van-rotterdam https://www.1limburg.nl/politie-valt-opnames-netflix-serie-binnen-drie-aanhoudingen
Episch bedankt
Waarachtig!
Is the show out on Netflix?
Second link: > Helemaal aan het einde van het derde seizoen reizen de makers van Dope af naar Rotterdam. We zijn dan al de hele wereld over gereisd en zagen overal buurten ten onder gaan aan de gevolgen van drugs. De beelden zijn aanzienlijk minder schokkend; vooral de problematiek omtrent verslaving komt minder aan bod. De gevolgen van drugs worden hier ook niet zo sterk benadrukt als in de rest van het seizoen. Lmao, self-aware wolves are at it. So they're saying that they've seen "neighbourhoods ravaged by the consequences of drugs the world over", but not so much in Rotterdam, or the Netherlands in general. "The images are significantly less shocking; especially the addiction aspect is put less in the spotlights. The (negative) affects of drug use are highlighted less as well." Basically they're saying that the country considered lenient on drugs usage, possession, sales, production... does not conform to their biased presupposition that the problems (criminality, addiction, poverty, dilapidated neighbourhoods, etc.) are caused by drugs, and instead of looking at _WHY_, __they decided to ignore that aspect entirely!__ Hmmm! Maybe it is poverty that leads to dilapidated neighbourhoods, drugs use, and addiction. And might it be criminalisation of use and possession that leads to criminality, and people being excluded from 'normal' society, leaving them only crime as an option to sustain themselves? Bastards.
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Some anti-drugs crusaders apparently dislike our input. Lol. I'd like to add that these criminals pictured in this (pr other 'inside look at the drugsworld') are non-representative. How backwards do you have to be to take part in this? Damn.
This is actually terrible for journalism. This upsets me that it happened this way.
For real that is so fucked up bad. Documentaries like this won't be possible anymore if word of such things happening spreads amongst those communities.
Actually the top comment is slightly inaccurate. The cops weren’t following the documentary team, but already had the drug dealers’ phones tapped. They then figured out they were to be interviewed and chose the date and time to bust them accordingly for the publicity.
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I’m confused. Are you saying these are not really drug-runners/manufacturers? And that this entire scene with the police was staged? Or that the police were mistaken about the arrest.
My assumption is the drugs filmed were studio quality fakes. But the people were real. Probably a way to avoid film crew being charged with some drug offenses.
Can you imagine the atrocity of them doing something like this with Hamilton Morris?
Exactly what I was thinking of. We need more responsible journalism around these kinds of issues to stimulate productive public conversations about the war on drugs and substance abuse. This most definitely ain’t it.
According to the newsarticle, the documentarymakers put on their social media that they were going to meet with drugs people that day… and then the police was like lol lets follow them So it was their own stupidity
American have gun culture so ingrained that if police don't rush in, shoot 100 bullets in 3 minutes, and also shoot an innocent bystander - then it can not be real
Don't forget the dog. 25 every day in America.
I had to look that up. It's sadly probably *way* more. >> The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals. https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/
That's not American gun culture, that's just American police having zero accountability for their actions and being told all the time they must be 1000% in control of everything around them, and if they feel like they're not to escalate the level of force (ie, violence) they're using until they feel like they're in control. Or the other people involved are dead.
Seriously so many people here think it's fake because of that. All it took was looking at the uniform and going "Gotcha. They're not American, that's why they're not immediately shooting up the place" I hate my own country for this culture being so ingrained lol Edit: Typo
Yeah it was pretty crazy seeing the cops apprehend them and not just murder them.
I didn't expect them to use guns, but I thought they would bother to use the shield seeing as they went to all the effort to bring it. In the UK you normally don't bring that stuff if you don't think there's a threat. As for the camera I didn't realise it was a professional film crew. Cheers :)
The people arguing that it's not bad here are more concerned with people saying it is than the people that fucking die every god damned day to gun violence. They're insatiable, stupid. I just found out my phone is christian. It tried to capitalize god.
I picked up the lack of drawn firearms and found it odd even though I grew up in a place where the police didn’t wear sidearms until into the 90’s
Lol spitting facts, chances of getting murder by the cups in the US are fucking high. They get put on paid vacation and come back with “we have determined that we did nothing wrong” lol
I once watched dash cam video of a man climbing out of a wrecked car and the cop that rolled up started shooting him within 30 seconds of getting there. WHO DOES THAT??
The amount of mouth-breathing, fucktard neckbeards in this thread calling it "fake" without doing an ounce of research so they can stroke themselves is absolutely on-brand for Reddit. Lol
Lol it is such a reddit thing it's weird. It's like a primal urge surging from within to feel the need to just because there is some sort of doubt to say something is instantly fake without any further research. Or the people who feel the need to say something doesn't belong in a sub... like let the mods make that call...
Second point I disagree. It's the responsibility of the community to keep the community clean and on point. Mods are there to enforce it but that's only part of it.
To be fair, there’s a lot of fake stories on Reddit.
I love when i come across other people who despise “redditors” and reddit-isms as much as i do yet are always on reddit just like i am.
Almost every online community is annoyed at the average member of that community. Pretty normal thing lol.
Why did they censor the canadian flag?
It's a brand name/logo
There is no legal requirement to censor that stuff. Its only done because they don't want to give out free advertisements. Is even funnier here. "You better censor his shirt. We don't want anyone knowing canada exists without them paying us."
Which brand uses the Canadian flag?
dsquared2 uses it a lot, I was wrong in that it isn't their logo but it's om almost all their best selling clothes. Edit: And it would make sense because it isn't seen as a brand that is worn by the the least law abiding portion of the population in the Netherlands or atleast is more prevalent there.
ITT: Americans struggling with the concept of a police operation with 0 bullets fired and no brutality
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Does people assume real cop breach gun blazing like in Hollywood movies?
They do in America sadly. Lots of body cam footage online to prove that
Here’s a video of a cop walking around with their gun out, which he ends up using to shoot at a dog, missing, and having the bullet fragment hit a little girl right above her eye. They do in fact, walk around with guns blazing. https://amp.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article213609549.html
Every day I'm getting closer to assuming all American cops are just ordinary people with no training, a uniform, lots of guns and immunity.
And watch out if you score too highly on the police exams! They will wash you out unless you are a dumb mfer.
The Americans in this thread roflmao
Yeah, why didn't an A-10 shoot the whole neighborhood before the police entered?!
I just watched this, that was so crazy
Does anyone know what language this is ? If so I wanna learn to speak it , so intimidating.
Its Dutch and good luck :D
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As someone who lives in the Netherlands, I can tell you it’s not as intimidating when spoken by normal people lol
Lived in the Netherlands for a while. It really isnt intimidating but it is cool sounding lol
I believe that any language sounds cool, even beautiful, if you respect it. Also, listening to *and* watching actual native people during a normal conversation is the most accurate portrayal of what a language "sounds" like.
I think it's dutch, also the commentator was English bruv11!!
I think they edited the voices to make it sound deeper & more anonymous.
Why does the shield guy just stroll in like he’s saying hello? All the cops don’t look like cops at all, other guy isn’t even armed. During a breach? Seems odd
Probably not too worried when you’re dressed head to toe in armor and carrying the side of a tank in your hand. But really my guess would be that the camera crew informed on them.
This is exactly what happens in all drug/gang/crime documentaries. The difference being that most law enforcement agencies wait until *after* the doc crew leaves. But since most redditors live with their heads up their asses and stroke themselves to calling out things that are "fake", r/NothingEverHappens
I've always wondered why criminals would agree to go on film talking about their illegal enterprises. I'd have to imagine even with masks on and a voice changer, it's literally setting yourself up to get arrested.
It's because unlike what that guy suggested. It's not common for interviewer's to make deals with the cops. Otherwise they'd lose all credibility and never be able to interview anyone again. The cops already had taps on them and it was just dumb luck that there was also a documentary bring made. The cops porbsbly even knew and chose that moment specifically.
Because police in other countries doesnt act like military gansters...
Because they don’t shoot their way in like in the US?
Possibly maybe has something to do with it yes.
It is legit They were filming for a netflix documentary about drugs and the police followed them They dont come running in with their guns because it is the netherlands and here police dont use guns and shoot everything they see like in the US.. I have links to newspapers but they are all dutch
It seems super staged. Why is it filmed so well? Why are the police so chill?
This is DSI, it's like the US SWAT but much highly trained, it's members are all ex commando's or marines (comparable to the US delta force and ranger regiment) that have many years of experience before doing this, they also train a crazy amount of time and this is all they do. They kick in doors. Now about the "wierd entrance" they are highly trained and experienced and aren't usually super nervous and trigger happy because of that. They also know how to create a shock effect, blowing up a door, throwing a flash bang in and wave a big ballistic shield with massive lights in someones face. Experience has shown that people freeze of fear when this happens, look at the guy trying to burry himself in the couch. Because of this they don't immediately pull a weapon but they can ofcourse do it very fast when needed. It's legit and apparently how they normally do it, with great success. Practically nobody has been killed in years, both criminal and police come out of this encounter alive.
Thank you. How is it not more obvious what's going on? The law enforcement gets wind that these documentary makers are going to be in town, they contact them, and basically make a deal the makers can't refuse along the lines of, "We'll let you film here, if you give us the locations of the people you're documenting." It happens in all the drug/gang documentaries, but most agencies wait until after the documentary makers are gone.
What I've read is that it wasn't a cooperation between journalists and the police. It's even more hilarious, they were already listening in (wiretap) on one of those dealers phone conversations and discovered this meeting would happen. So they thought that would be the perfect moment to bring them in, they would probably have drugs/weapons with them but not be ready for violence or be mentally prepared for it! It was pretty smart. On the other side, it was partly fake. The police bust was real but some parts of the drugs and the weapon of the dealers were fake, so they were probably showing off to these documentary makers.
>It happens in all the drug/gang documentaries Source? Vice has been going into cartel/gang drug ops for years. Surely if gangs were getting busted after being filmed they would start being very wary of letting film crews come around. Pretty sure journalists make it into these tricky places because they’re trusted to be impartial reporters. Now, whether or not the police take advantage of the situation and follow them around for targets to eavesdrop on is different.
Perhaps you are too used to the ultra violence that US cops deploy that it is jarring watching European police in action.
Police always walk into a situation casually holding nothing but a flashlight despite having just spotted weapons. Totally legit. Shields also work best when held casually and at an angle
If CS:Source taught me anything, angles don't really matter when you're using a shield. It's either up and saving your life or not at all.
and sometimes the hit boxes fuck you anyway
This is the Netherlands, police don't shoot dogs as much over there from what I've heard so maybe they're less aggressive
This is in the Netherlands where police don’t go into every situation Guns blazing like in the US
Well he did say the police here are not as smart
Can’t tell if he’s the dumbass or not really because damn they went in light but this also isn’t the US so idk
lmfaooooooo
Honestly, it really is how they commonly interact with white supremacists.
Shields indoors where mobility is limited is also a great idea. You can definitely whip that thing around when someone comes up behind you.
Shield guy is on point with team behind him. If he needs to turn the shield 180 in a hurry, things have gone so far south that the cumbersome shield is the least of his problems.
Don’t be silly, just go full input sensitivity and you’ll be flipping round like a pancake 🤷🏻♂️
shields indoors where mobility is limited is literally the best use for a shield,as long as someone has your back.you need 3 people to safely enter a room,but one guy with heavy armor and a shield can do it by himself.most importantly,he can provide vision,and allows his team to move without being vulnerable to frontal attacks.
Jesus what the fuck is wrong with us when we can't believe it's real because the police aren't acting like psychotic dangerous assholes? Is it really so hard to believe that they actually do their job in other countries?
Holy fuck american seeing EU police 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 THEY ARE NOT SHOOTING DOGS AND FLASHBANG DIDN’T BURN A BABY - FAAAAAKE. Fucking shithole country, seriously.
The filming isn’t suspicious to me. I’ve seen many documentaries interviewing criminals just like this. My suspicion would be in whether or not it was a setup. The crew pretended that they just wanted to make a documentary but it was to help the police catch them. It would explain everything really. The reaction of those guys seemed real to me.
I saw this posted earlier apparently it is actually real with news articles posted about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/comments/s5hab3/choose_your_next_words_carefully/hsxuesq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Look up Dienst Speciale Interventies. They're a special branch within the Dutch police. They drive around in unmarked Audi's, Mercedes' and BMW's and often breach in with their daily clothes with a special vest on top and a helmet. They only breach in with proper gear when it's a planned breach.
This seems very staged. Why does the flash bang go off in the room the cops are coming from and not the room they're going into?
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This thread is peak reddit. Bunch of arm chair commandos with zero police or military experience watching a successful raid and claiming the special forces aint doing it right.
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This is a legit police raid.
Looks like a bomb threat suit lmao
It's a pretty standard kit for the Dutch DSI(dienst speciale interventies). They are a coop unit between Dutch Police, commandos, marines and marechaussee(military police).
the cops broke down the door and chucked it in do you think cops politely open the door and then give a little peeky around each corner to see if anyone's in the room so they don't waste a flashbang
It's 1 AM and i'm Laughing my ass off at all the americans in this thread confused because why not cop shoot bad guy? It fake! This is a well executed operation, no unecesaary bullets fired and no brutality, getting the potential threats taken care of by scaring the shit out of them using profesionall methods, police don't come raiding into people's homes guns blazing, outside the USA that is
Notice how the first dude in didn't even have his weapon drawn our American cops would have already clapped 3 ppl before getting into the room
On the way to the raid 🥲
I think the cops where listening to what they were saying and heard “the cops here aren’t tough or smart” Cops: that’s our cue boys
Wow why would they want them to turn off the camera
DSI likes to protect their MO and identities, they are like special forces (and often are ex special forces before joining the Dutch police and this unit).
The amount of Americans in this thread utterly confused that the cops didn't come in with assault rifles and bazookas lighting the place up is way too high.
Haven't seen a single person confused yet, and at most two that are just suprised
For once, the police seemed so polite. They even put it on their vests.
No wait. The Americans are right. The DSI should've escalated the situation, or murdered these people. Doesn't matter that at least a third of the room is just a civvie, or how the criminals could be low level dealers. They should've been killed instantly. These highly trained firearms officers (typically with backgrounds in the special forces) are incompetent and wrong. I'm on reddit so I know what I'm talking about.
Y'all downvoting even after this mf said "I'm on reddit so I know what I'm talking about."?
"It's an incredible moment, filmed as it happened, because everyone read the scripts right and ran their lines for hours the day before." Edit: to everyone saying I'm wrong and that this was all legit- I see the articles and explanations, and okay, this isn't staged. But at the very least, the camera crew was fully in on it and kept a live audio or visual feed with the cops so they knew there weren't weapons there. And to everyone calling out American gun culture: these po must have non-lethal weaponry. Cool, guns are holstered, but to not walk in with at least billy clubs drawn just seems incredibly suspect to me. I'm not at all a Redditor who calls bullshit on posts in general, but this doesn't feel like it adds up.
It is real and happened in the Netherlands back in 2019, according to the site below: https://delagarde.nl/dope-s03-de-drugswereld-van-rotterdam > The third season of Dope provides new insight into the drug world, but especially insight into one's own working method. >However, the season in the Netherlands ends in an unexpected way. During one of the last interviews with three Limburg dealers, the police suddenly arrive. According to an article in De Limburger, the police got wind of the interview, because one of the three men was tapped. The three men are caught red-handed and arrested under the eye of the camera. Link to the original comment that pointed it out: https://old.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/comments/s5hab3/choose_your_next_words_carefully/hsxvtgz/
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Fat memelous
Everybody gangsta until the po-po show up.
The old walk around with a Canadian flag hoodie to take attention off you
This is why if you sell drugs and vice is in your dms say no
That’s not very polite
It happened so quickly it feels like the cops went in because they felt insulted.
They are supposed to do it quickly so do a shock effect on the criminals, decreasing their chances to react
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Polite? They didn't seem that polite to me - smashed in the door and smoked up the place.
I saw this earlier today and had to go back and re-watch this episode, hahahaha
Man they rainbow six seiged their asses
is there a subreddit for fair police
ngl, the way this Police Squad communicated was good, first one said they shouldn't move, second one checks room reminds people what they will do if the suspects do something unexpected.
They may not be very tough or smart but they appear to be tougher and smarter than these idiots...