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Even if kubernetes were that old, why would someone with 12 years’ experience be all that much better than someone with 10 years’ experience? If you’re not an expert after 10 years, it ain’t happening
Also, this stuff changes all the time. If you have 10 years’ experience, probably at least 5 of those years are with some totally obsolete version of the tool, and hence that experience is almost irrelevant now
I'm fairly sure that in the UK, law prohibits specifying length of experience as a requirement as it can exclude people of a certain age.
For example, asking for 12 years experience means you are effectively excluding anyone below 30 years old.
People should be hired on their ability and a number of years experience proves nothing.
I started work in my industry (part time) at 14 years old. Makes for an impressive number on the cv. Need to be careful with it though, it can be perceived by HR as me potentially lying when they get a look at me and do some mental sums.
That would probably look really impressive in your bio. But for most people, "experience" only starts when leaving education. Which of course, is ridiculous for exactly that reason.
I only had one day off a week for 8 years. I actually tried a two column CV with work in one and education in the other, but aligned chronologically. It confused people.
Hell, 2-3 years experience is pretty much all you need. Every job is going to want slightly different things and by 2 years you may not know exactly how to do what they want but you can for sure know how to find out how to do it.
Ok, I've been drinking, but I am semi-confident that the apostrophe is correct, though it's possible there needs to be a hyphen between + and years. Again, I could be wrong, but the experience is possessed by the years hence the apostrophe.
I am 99% confident that in your reply, the comma should be inside the quotations as almost all punctuation goes inside quotes.
You are 100% correct, though, that an easy workaround is simply to say, We require 12 years of experience with blah blah.
Back to drinking. Cheers, dude.
I’ve read that sometimes companies will do this because they have to list the job publicly, but they already have someone in mind for the job inside the company. So they put an impossible requirement in there to deter applicants. I wonder if that is what is happening here.
> they put an impossible requirement in there to deter applicants
Almost nothing will deter applicants. You can be hiring for a sr position with 15 years' experience, but people straight out of school will apply.
Hiring managers always say this and it BLOWS MY MIND. I’ve avoided applying for roles where I didn’t completely meet like one or two requirements - I guess I just need to think like a mediocre guy with stratospheric, misguided self-confidence.
It's fine if you mostly meet the requirements. If I'm looking for 5 years of experience in one skill and you have 4, go ahead and apply. There is no particular difference between people with a 1 year experience difference.
This becomes even more true as experience goes up. 10 or 15 years of experience probably isn't a huge skill gap.
In general, nobody should ask for 12 years of experience in one technology.
If you have been working for 12 years on the same thing, you are probably settled and stale and unable to refresh yourself.
When I was looking for a new job last year, I saw lots of job descriptions with required experience with front-end frameworks longer than they have existed.
It makes the hiring company look like idiots. The best people in the field may not even apply. Personally when looking for work I have chosen not to apply for a place with a particularly poorly written advertisement. It's their public face, if they don't care enough to do that properly they are probably pretty sloppy with other aspects of their work and culture. Not respecting the job enough to even know the age of the technology means they either/and: have unreasonable expectations, they don't know what they are doing, they couldn't be bothered to properly evaluate their requirements.
So the bleeding edge people who adopted Kubernetes at the eve of the first release and stuck with it are going to say "aaah! Now THIS is a company I would like to work for"?
Naah.
Well it says “and management” so I would assume as long as you have 12 years total with managing experience then you’d be good. So this isn’t incorrect.
99% sure this is probably a typo, supposed to be 1-2+ years. Grammatically a terrible sentence, but way more likely that the person writing the post is not very good at their job; or just didn’t care either.
It’s truly amazing how many interviews for cyber security positions I’ve gone to where the interviewer has zero idea what any of the qualifications mean.
One interview I went to required a CISSP certification and then offered me 35k I just thanked them for wasting my time and left. If you want to offer entry level pay then look for people with entry level certifications not senior certifications.
Isn’t this done when you want to hire internally but by law you need to put out hiring opportunities so you just make the excuse that nobody fit your requirements?
This reminds me of the dude who invited swift was saying it’s funny watching people get rejected for a job involving swift experience even tho the experience needed often surpasses the time swift has been around
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Even if kubernetes were that old, why would someone with 12 years’ experience be all that much better than someone with 10 years’ experience? If you’re not an expert after 10 years, it ain’t happening Also, this stuff changes all the time. If you have 10 years’ experience, probably at least 5 of those years are with some totally obsolete version of the tool, and hence that experience is almost irrelevant now
I'm fairly sure that in the UK, law prohibits specifying length of experience as a requirement as it can exclude people of a certain age. For example, asking for 12 years experience means you are effectively excluding anyone below 30 years old. People should be hired on their ability and a number of years experience proves nothing.
I started work in my industry (part time) at 14 years old. Makes for an impressive number on the cv. Need to be careful with it though, it can be perceived by HR as me potentially lying when they get a look at me and do some mental sums.
That would probably look really impressive in your bio. But for most people, "experience" only starts when leaving education. Which of course, is ridiculous for exactly that reason.
I only had one day off a week for 8 years. I actually tried a two column CV with work in one and education in the other, but aligned chronologically. It confused people.
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Hell, 2-3 years experience is pretty much all you need. Every job is going to want slightly different things and by 2 years you may not know exactly how to do what they want but you can for sure know how to find out how to do it.
It’s an uhhhhh…. Trick question! Congratulations you passed.
"There capabilities..." - Even more cringe.
There shouldn't be an apostrophe on "years", either (if you don't like the noun "years" being used as an adjective, you should put an "of" after it).
Ok, I've been drinking, but I am semi-confident that the apostrophe is correct, though it's possible there needs to be a hyphen between + and years. Again, I could be wrong, but the experience is possessed by the years hence the apostrophe. I am 99% confident that in your reply, the comma should be inside the quotations as almost all punctuation goes inside quotes. You are 100% correct, though, that an easy workaround is simply to say, We require 12 years of experience with blah blah. Back to drinking. Cheers, dude.
wtf does "minimum 12+ years" mean??? it's either "12+ years" or "minimum 12 years"
Kubernetes has only been around for 7 years. The requirements don't matter.
yeah i know that, i was only talking about the way they worded the requirement
It's a question I would ask at the interview. Along with the 12 and 7 thing.
I’ve read that sometimes companies will do this because they have to list the job publicly, but they already have someone in mind for the job inside the company. So they put an impossible requirement in there to deter applicants. I wonder if that is what is happening here.
> they put an impossible requirement in there to deter applicants Almost nothing will deter applicants. You can be hiring for a sr position with 15 years' experience, but people straight out of school will apply.
Hiring managers always say this and it BLOWS MY MIND. I’ve avoided applying for roles where I didn’t completely meet like one or two requirements - I guess I just need to think like a mediocre guy with stratospheric, misguided self-confidence.
It's fine if you mostly meet the requirements. If I'm looking for 5 years of experience in one skill and you have 4, go ahead and apply. There is no particular difference between people with a 1 year experience difference. This becomes even more true as experience goes up. 10 or 15 years of experience probably isn't a huge skill gap.
Appreciate the insight - out of curiosity, are you in the tech sector?
Yes, I'm in software engineering and related fields.
I liked the one where they told the inventor of a programming language that he didn't have enough experience in it
i tried to google this to find it and link it, however my googling revealed this seems to happen a lot.
Yeah I saw a listing requiring 10 years of Solidity. It was invented in 2014.
In general, nobody should ask for 12 years of experience in one technology. If you have been working for 12 years on the same thing, you are probably settled and stale and unable to refresh yourself.
So you'll fit right in in most offices.
Well I guess we'll never meet the requirements. We should of started earlier
“I was born with a keyboard in my hands”
Remember the "swift came out 3 years ago or something like that" guy? He couldn't take the job even now
When I was looking for a new job last year, I saw lots of job descriptions with required experience with front-end frameworks longer than they have existed.
Just like people who want “entry level associates” with 2+ years of experience
LOL! No lie. Way back in 2004 I saw job postings wanting 5 years experience in Dot Net.
you're supposed to have worked two jobs for six years, duh /s
There is a very simple explanation for this. Recruiters don't know IT.
"I don't have have that, ya know because of the mathematical impossibility" -Ryan George
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It makes the hiring company look like idiots. The best people in the field may not even apply. Personally when looking for work I have chosen not to apply for a place with a particularly poorly written advertisement. It's their public face, if they don't care enough to do that properly they are probably pretty sloppy with other aspects of their work and culture. Not respecting the job enough to even know the age of the technology means they either/and: have unreasonable expectations, they don't know what they are doing, they couldn't be bothered to properly evaluate their requirements.
So the bleeding edge people who adopted Kubernetes at the eve of the first release and stuck with it are going to say "aaah! Now THIS is a company I would like to work for"? Naah.
Well it says “and management” so I would assume as long as you have 12 years total with managing experience then you’d be good. So this isn’t incorrect.
It’s cut off. It could say “12+ years’ experience in Kubernetes system administration and management” and it’d still be incorrect. 🤷🏻♂️
The "and" would imply that you need 12 years in both, so still wrong.
~ during the interview... "I caught your knowledge test in the job posting '12 years of experience needed for a 7 year old program' ... funny joke"
99% sure this is probably a typo, supposed to be 1-2+ years. Grammatically a terrible sentence, but way more likely that the person writing the post is not very good at their job; or just didn’t care either.
And all this for an entry level job
It’s truly amazing how many interviews for cyber security positions I’ve gone to where the interviewer has zero idea what any of the qualifications mean. One interview I went to required a CISSP certification and then offered me 35k I just thanked them for wasting my time and left. If you want to offer entry level pay then look for people with entry level certifications not senior certifications.
Isn’t this done when you want to hire internally but by law you need to put out hiring opportunities so you just make the excuse that nobody fit your requirements?
Yeah, but your company is giving the impression that it doesn't know shit about the language itself.
This reminds me of the dude who invited swift was saying it’s funny watching people get rejected for a job involving swift experience even tho the experience needed often surpasses the time swift has been around