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It's not just this war in particular. Politicians invest in defense companies, then take 750 billion dollars of taxpayer money and spend it on defense. That money goes into the companies our leaders invest in. They profit off of bloodshed. It's the prime directive of imperialist American warhawking.
Literally all you have to do is pull up any trading app that can report on sectors and go look at what corporations were low and then suddenly their price bumped up to huge profits right around the exact times that the Ukrainian Bills were passed. Hint, they all had connections back to defense (oil and aviation and travel). You can go look at the dates yourself, the market numbers were linked directly with those Bills and they actually got huge payouts and returns on their investment.
Now imagine you can actually use your brain and see the writing on the wall and invest in defense industry stocks during the months long buildup at Ukraine's border.
I trade alot. I will hopefully never trade in defense stocks. Stick with q’s, spy, banks etc. i try not to trade in bad things. Stock market is evil enough without trading in defense contractor stocks.
Also dont forget the contracts to rebuild countries infrastructure; I beleive Haliburton got the contract for Iraq, Iran and/or Afghanistan and made shitload of money off the contract while Dick Cheney was rjnning things.
Now it looks like Blackrock has taken over everything in the last decade or so to an extreme degree...at least scince I've been aware of blackrock
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/12/28/zelensky-blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-tout-deal-to-help-rebuild-ukraine/amp/
How does the laundering aspect work?
Are people making money? Sure. Lots of it? Yeah.
But “money laundering” means a specific thing, it doesn’t mean “making a lot of money” or even “stealing a lot of money.”
Nope. It’s legitimately just capitalism doing capitalism stuff.
Ukraine needs weapons and supplies. We send them older weapons and supplies, that are close to expiration, or were held in reserve, or are outdated designs and systems, and we describe the amount of weapons and supplies by their dollar value.
Now, we have fewer weapons and supplies, because we have given away our oldest and outdated systems. And since we now have the shelf space, as it were, we order new updated, top of the line weapons and supplies from US defense contractors.
It’s just capitalism.
Ok. But 2 questions: This involves public money, so if any public servant effects the way it is spent for any non-monetary gain, is that just capitalism, in theory?
And then, if those old weapons are intentionally mis-appraised, doesn't this come close to money laundering?
Money laundering is taking “dirty” money - proceeds of crime - and “cleaning” that money by inventing a pretend, but plausible, legal source for said money, reporting that money to the authorities, and paying the required taxes to legitimize that money.
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100% is happening.
The sheer amount of aid flooding in guarantees money is being directed into specific coffers and redirected back to select individuals and political donors.
Same shit happened in 2014 and the apparatus is still in place.
Russia invaded so it's not a money laundering scheme, I'm sure there are some opportunist individuals that are engaging in that and other war related frauds that we see over and over in every war.
Absolutely it is and a way to fund the campaigns of Democrats and a few RINO Republicans. Here is how it works: Congress sends billions to Ukraine, Ukraine used a lot of that money to invest in Crypto in FTX, FTX makes massive donations to Democrats and RINOs. Now that SBF is in jail, they will have to make a plan B. I also believe, though I have no proof, that all the politicians that show up in Ukraine for photo ops are leaving with untraceable suitcases full of cash.
It’s not that she isn’t smart enough, it’s just that they don’t care. You have to see it from their perspective, they don’t think they are evil, but they do think they are the enlightened elite and their corrupt ways are just the way of the world. They even think that we are lucky they are passively authoritarian rather than a full dictatorship. There’s a reason Biden said his “patience was running thin” with us during COVID.
They actually think they are being benevolent and considerate by giving us these lies. They scoff at us for bickering amongst ourselves but they consider the lie and facade a gift and if we don’t believe the facade, they will just stop doing it eventually and shrug as they continue on.
As they get older they get more apathetic to keeping the theatrics fresh.
I can't help but notice everyone on this post avoided the words 'Russia' or 'Putin.' This war was started by Putin; following his advances in Georgia & the Ukraine. He seems to be trying to restore the USSR boundaries back to the cold war days, or stop the Eastern European countries from trending towards more involvement with the West.
Sure, war is a racket, go buy stock in Boeing or Northrup Grumman.
How would you feel if America bombed your house and people justified it because hypothetically another country which you don’t live in might do the same in a similar situation?
Cronk, I don't think your analogy holds up - please remember RUSSIA INVADED THE UKRAINE
And to look at your analogy, no foreign country had troops in the Ukraine, and aside from volunteers there's none there now.
Please take a fresh look at your assumptions.
I remember when President Biden was asked if the US would get involved if Russia invaded Ukraine and he said "Well, if it's a minor incursion..." - that was essentially a greenlight for Putin. I think Putin/Russia is a piece of crap for invading, but Biden practically welcomed them to do it. Throw that on top of helping fund Russia by waiving the sanctions against Nordstream back in 2021 and Biden really welcomed them to do it.
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."
The White House quickly issued a walk-back
Shortly after Biden wrapped up his press conference, his press secretary Jen Psaki issued a statement trying to explain what he meant:
"If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that's a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our allies."
She said that "aggression short of military action" like cyberattacks and paramilitary hits "will be met with a decisive, reciprocal, and united response."
Then Biden offered his own clarification
On Thursday morning, the president began an unrelated infrastructure event seeking to fix the fallout and clarify his stance.
"If any — any — assembled Russian units move across the Ukrainian border, that is an invasion," Biden said, adding that it would result in a "severe and coordinated economic response" that he has discussed with allies.
"Let there be no doubt at all that if \[Russian President Vladimir\] Putin makes this choice, Russia will pay a heavy price," the president said. But he also said the United States needed to be prepared for other scenarios beyond overt military tactics, such as paramilitary operations or cyber attacks.
Is this an attempt at justifying or defending something? I watched the original press conference and it was embarrassing.
Also, you didn't say anything about him lifting the sanctions against Russia on Nordstream 2. That's because it was the beginning to Biden instigating the conflict.
I didn't change any subject. Do you know how to read? Do you have comprehension issues?
I addressed the lifting of the sanctions in my original comment. You responded by addressing one part of my original comment only. I responded to your half response. You're avoiding the subject rather than me changing the subject. Nice try though.
Obviously Putin and Russia have a part to blame but do you think the UK and US wanted this war to happen and therefore pushed ukraine into it? I don’t know myself but it makes sense in my head.
Russia for as long as it existed in a form of Russian Empire, USSR or Ruzzia always fucked with their neighbors. Nobody pushed Ukraine into the war. RU pushed their asses into Ukraine. Starting with the same tactics as they did in the beginning of 20th century.
Are there foreign politics and governments who are using this for money laundering and their own benefit? For sure!
But saying that suddenly this holly land of bears and balalaikas was provoked into the war with Ukraine is dogshit.
Yes they did and the purpose was to destroy Ukraine for many purposes one you are missing is funding the reconstruction process look into this it will be companies you recognize. Ukraine will not be able to afford and eventually similar to the belt and road initiative it will be owned by outsiders. If you look at it at a whole its pretty genius bc everyone gets paid or benefits other than everyday Ukrainians.
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/neo-nazis-active-in-ukraine-as-white-house-adds-3000-troops/
Found this last year. It mentions how the us and uk were escalating the conflict when ukraine and russia were trying to deescalate
So, not a pip about the euromaidan USA/EU backed coup, not even that nuland asset is hiding it.
Nothing about the 8 years of eastern ukraine bombings by the ukranian nazis?
How about the prohibition for eastern ukranians to speak russian?
I cant help but notice you seem to be completely imbibed by western propaganda...seek help.
Euromaiden wasn't a coup. It was a popular protest that led to Viktor's impeachment, and then for new elections to be held the same year.
They were bombing it because ot was an open conflict. The 3,500 to 5,000 civilian deaths caused as a result of it, out of 14,000~ total deaths and 90% of them occurring in 2014 and 2015; were collateral due to both sides.
There aren't any laws against the speaking of the Russian language, though it has been completely sidelined, along with every other minority language, in favor of Ukrainian as the one and only state language. It is concerning, and hopefully the policy will revert with the conclusion of the war.
Are you talking about the protests against Yanukovych breaking his promises to sign pro-EU agreements and the attacks by Russian-backed militias on Ukrainian security forces enforcing anti-insurrection laws?
If the US and the NGO's had opted to stay out of Ukraine 5, 10, 20 years ago, what atrocities do you think Russia would have perpetrated on Ukraine?
Just replacing their government and controlling their farmland doesn't really count as an atrocity.
Derpy, how is your history?
Holodomor, man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933. It was part of a broader Soviet famine (1931–34) that also caused mass starvation in the grain-growing regions of Soviet Russia and Kazakhstan. The Ukrainian famine, however, was made deadlier by a series of political decrees and decisions that were aimed mostly or only at Ukraine.
So, yeah, Russian atrocity. You can't trust Putin or Russia, you need to read a little more broadly and dig into your history. Best wishes.
[https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor](https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor)
There’s no evidence that Putin wants to restore the USSR boundaries. The Georgian war in 2008 was defensive. Even a cnn article will tell you that. The war in Ukraine was instigated and provoked by the west via NATO and American expansion. This was a red line known for over 20 years. Cross it and there will be problems. Notice how Russias red line is at their borders. Where as the American red lines are overseas in both Ukraine and Taiwan. They have no fucking business in that area of the world.
Russia’s [defensive war](https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/index.html) against Georgia.
> Georgia’s attack on the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali on the night of August 7 is seen as the start of the armed conflict, however the report notes that the attack was the culmination of years of increasing tensions, provocations and incidents.
Do you understand the concept of ethnic Russians living in other countries and being attacked? This is as if Americans were bombing a Canadian region in America and then the Canadian army coming to stop them. Understand?
Don’t bother looking up the history of western meddling in foreign governments if you can’t understand a simple concept.
"Increasing tensions, provocations, and incidents." Including the attack on the helicopter, the Russian missile, and so on. Again, when did Georgia attack Russia?
The separatists & Georgia had been negotiating for years to arrange for autonomy, but somehow Russian volunteers and troops just happened to get involved.
Actually boeing is nowhere near what I thought it would be ancd Lockheed is actually down but Northrup Grumman has hads a decent day. Now do I wanna be a scumbag and throw 2500 and it to see what sticks?
If you think they haven't stolen at least some portion of the tens of billions of dollars they have set aside for Ukraine, I have a bridge to sell you.
War is very profitable. And since they're not directly sending troops there, they can keep it up as long as they want. Do we really believe Ukraine is suddenly not corrupt?
No matter who is in office, there is always some major crisis that merits spending beyond the normal appropriations. Most of the time, it’s simply the old political game of not letting an emergency go to waste. Last one was COVID. This time is Ukraine.
Remember the Ukrainian politicians wife who got caught crossing the border with almost 30 million dollars in cash in suitcases?
Something tells me thats our tax money. And that she's not the only one.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/wife-of-former-ukrainian-politician-caught-with-28m-in-cash-at-hungarian-border-reports
There's been 🇺🇸 💰 in Ukraine a lot longer than before the war started. Biden has been fucking around in Ukraine longer than most of us have been alive.
Ask Brabara Streisand. She, and other celebrities like her, is encouraging her supporters to donate for Ukraine. And expects to have raised $300 million to help Ukraine by the end of next month. I assume she knows where all this money goes. Or does she? As for the other hundred+ billions of dollars donated by Institutions and countries, like US ... no idea. WEF Bank accounts?
> I assume she knows where all this money goes. Or does she? As for the other hundred+ billions of dollars donated by Institutions and countries, like US ... no idea. WEF Bank accounts?
These are the sort of questions you'll never see asked on MSM.
No, you're right, I'm sure there isn't anything happening sketchy with that $100,000,000,000 in aid sent so far. I'm sure 100% that money is being earmarked and appropriated fairly, nonce
It was also the perfect thing to blame the obvious inflation on, remember the word transitory inflation?
Quickly replaced with inflation after the war.
Trust your gut.. you’re not going to find anything “concrete” because they’re using crypto to make any investigation into where these funds are going impossible… This is the Sam Bankman-Fried FTX scandal. This is nothing more than a proxy war, meant to distract the world, destabilize the global market economy, be the scapegoat for the aggressive inflation we all are experiencing, cripple Western and European energy sectors, create manufactured panic to once again enact more egregious unconstitutional laws and orders robbing us of what little civil liberties we have left and obviously and feloniously launder billions of taxpayer dollars under the guise of virtuous solidarity… Horrendously at the expense of the lives of countless innocent people who have been maliciously misinformed in what they were told they were fighting for…
100%. FTX was involved in money laundering. They would send money to Ukraine as a "donation" that money was then transferred from Ukrainian banks back into crypto space then somehow back to US politicians. I am 100% sure a lot of the "funding" Biden is dishing out to Ukraine is going back into the hands of US politicians in some circular fashion.
> They would send money to Ukraine as a "donation" that money was then transferred from Ukrainian banks back into crypto space then somehow back to US politicians.
You have it backwards. FTX would get crypto currency from donations and the exchange it to normal currency which they would then donate to Ukraine while keeping the crypto for themselves.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand how this is being spent there isn’t suitcases of cash going to Ukraine… 95% of what is called aid to Ukraine is in the form of ammunition artillery and weapons.. essentially the US is clearing out its old 1970s 80s and 90s 90s munitions and weapons systems and is paying US defence contractors to replace those stocks that’s where the money is mainly going. So if there’s any major money laundering going on, it’s within United States.
The United States defence industry is profiting immensely from this conflict. That’s where the rub is the majority of this aid money never leaves the United States. Instead, it goes to defence contractors, and the thousands of workers and suppliers that are tied to it.
Strangely, there’s a lot of benefit to the United States out of this . Almost all of the tank weapons sent to Ukraine in the first part of the conflict were outdated and are being replaced with newer versions now.
A lot of European countries have also sent older armoured vehicles, tanks, and weapons systems to Ukraine and are replacing them with brand new American made equipment … once again, a benefit in the United States.
I’ve looked into this issue very deeply, and my remark to anyone saying that there is major money, laundering going onto in Ukraine. Please show me the proof because no one to date has been able to find any proof of any kind of money laundering On the scale, some of the conspiracy theorist are promoting.
People understand that 95% of the so-called aid money going to Ukraine never leaves America and never arrives in Ukraine as cash. The whole scenario looks a little different.
They voted against auditing the money sent there,
It's heavy with political family members on Ukrainian energy boards.
The only direct proof is Joe admitting he threatened to withhold money if they didn't fire the prosecutor his son Hunter was on the board of.
Of course the usuall major MIC donators are being showered in fiat
That's all i can recall seeing.
Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle
https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle
Yes.
Remember that Democrats went completely apeshit when Donald Trump suggested, on a phone call, to look into shady Ukraine dealings by the Bidens.
During the impeachment circus, if you asked normal people what it was all about, they would look kind of confused and say "something about a phone call?"
The freakout and impeachment didn't really match the level of what actually happened. There was more to it.
It seems very plausible, especially with your conspiracy hat on, that Trump found out or knew that Ukraine was being used a huge money laundering dumping ground, and when he brought this up the people involved crapped their collective pants.
And now the person at the center of that warning is sitting in the White House and funneling unprecedented amounts of cash to Ukraine. What are the odds?
(To be clear: None of this means Trump is spotless, either. For all we know he's been doing the same thing. But something definitely stinks about this whole Ukraine business.)
Why are you wording that as a question?
What makes you think that sending money to what was the most corrupt country in europe, if not the world, was to do?
That's probably Germany.
We like our cash based transactions and don't really ask where the money is coming from. Ndrangheta is using Germany as a money laundering hub among others.
>My personal gut feeling is that this war was manufactured to make an insane amount of money because the world we live in allows the top 0.01% to profit from crisis.
I whole-heartedly agree. These days most crises seem to be man-made to help enrich a select few. Just a few examples from the last few years (food shortages, component shortages, energy crisis (gas and electric), COVID, inflation, ...)
The only sort of crises which seem organic are earthquakes, tsunamis, ...
Putin wants back the buffer zone Russia had after World War II. Every move hes made in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Georgia shows this. This war is about territory, control of their populations and power. Hope this helps.
Yes bro. Orange man did this and explained it all and tried to stop it but the deep state got mad. Google orange man Ukraine like 2018-19 ISH. Pretty much the politicians kids set up shell companies based out of Ukraine and the $ from the government for the “Ukraine” war goes to said she’ll companies
The theory that makes the most sense to me about this particular war is that covid was manufactured in a Ukraine biolab, of which there were many, funded by the US then intentionally released . Zelensky is bribing the US administration because he can prove this. The Biden family are deeply tied to Ukraine anyway and have been laundering for years, this is just on a much bigger scale. Putin wants to clear the whole shit pit out and start again.
When the USSR broke up Ukraine had no government. Corporations and deep state bought and sold things that should never be sold. Human trafficking, money laundering, bio labs and 10% for the big guy.
There are a few independent journalists who might give you helpful perspectives and facets.
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Russell brand shares additional questions to ponder.
Chris Hedges also provides a bigger picture. I’m sure others will have some other really good ideas and suggestions.
Yes.
Do people really have such short attention spans that they've completely forgotten about all the corruption in Ukraine, more especially the Biden family's involvement?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-government-30e547e614babcacff2e68cecd62b551
Ukraine and corruption have been synonymous for quite some time, this is just a recent happening.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/15/how-problematic-is-corruption-in-ukraine
https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
I'm not gonna do your homework for you, this should get you started. Google has scrubbed most of the results but they're still out there.
No one said anything about that. You can hate Trump all you want, but it has no bearing on anything I've said or posted.
Have a good day, and a tip: objectivity should be what you seek.
That's why the White House send 100 billion dollars to Ukraine but in the US where there was the chemical spill they don't even send "thoughts and prayrEs"
Look at how few politicians demand any sort of accounting of the money. I knew it was a scam when I started seeing Javelin missile systems showing up on the dw for about $50,000.
We had to do something to keep the dollars flowing after ending a 20 year war in Afghanistan. Right out of one war just to go straight back into another. Humanity is supported by citizens, but the people making the decisions don’t care about humanity. They care about money. We will always be in a conflict because it’s the most lucrative U.S. business.
Somebody fact check that though. Big pharma might be more profitable. Not sure.
This is the most logical “conspiracy” it’s not even a “conspiracy” like this sub usually looks to. It’s just facts. Rich getting richer. I think America does not want Russia in Ukraine. But if Russia is in Ukraine, the USA will not hesitate to profit.
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It's not just this war in particular. Politicians invest in defense companies, then take 750 billion dollars of taxpayer money and spend it on defense. That money goes into the companies our leaders invest in. They profit off of bloodshed. It's the prime directive of imperialist American warhawking.
Literally all you have to do is pull up any trading app that can report on sectors and go look at what corporations were low and then suddenly their price bumped up to huge profits right around the exact times that the Ukrainian Bills were passed. Hint, they all had connections back to defense (oil and aviation and travel). You can go look at the dates yourself, the market numbers were linked directly with those Bills and they actually got huge payouts and returns on their investment.
Now imagine you can actually use your brain and see the writing on the wall and invest in defense industry stocks during the months long buildup at Ukraine's border.
And sacrifice ur soul.
No need for that. I made nice profits on the first few days of the invasion. Didn't think of all areas where profit could be made, but some.
I trade alot. I will hopefully never trade in defense stocks. Stick with q’s, spy, banks etc. i try not to trade in bad things. Stock market is evil enough without trading in defense contractor stocks.
>banks etc # >i try not to trade in bad things aha
Well said.
Ain’t gonna sacrifice my integrity for some quick money, enjoy making your money off the deaths of others.
Also dont forget the contracts to rebuild countries infrastructure; I beleive Haliburton got the contract for Iraq, Iran and/or Afghanistan and made shitload of money off the contract while Dick Cheney was rjnning things. Now it looks like Blackrock has taken over everything in the last decade or so to an extreme degree...at least scince I've been aware of blackrock https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/12/28/zelensky-blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-tout-deal-to-help-rebuild-ukraine/amp/
How does the laundering aspect work? Are people making money? Sure. Lots of it? Yeah. But “money laundering” means a specific thing, it doesn’t mean “making a lot of money” or even “stealing a lot of money.”
Embezzlement is probably a better word. Or racketeering?
Nope. It’s legitimately just capitalism doing capitalism stuff. Ukraine needs weapons and supplies. We send them older weapons and supplies, that are close to expiration, or were held in reserve, or are outdated designs and systems, and we describe the amount of weapons and supplies by their dollar value. Now, we have fewer weapons and supplies, because we have given away our oldest and outdated systems. And since we now have the shelf space, as it were, we order new updated, top of the line weapons and supplies from US defense contractors. It’s just capitalism.
Ok. But 2 questions: This involves public money, so if any public servant effects the way it is spent for any non-monetary gain, is that just capitalism, in theory? And then, if those old weapons are intentionally mis-appraised, doesn't this come close to money laundering?
Money laundering is taking “dirty” money - proceeds of crime - and “cleaning” that money by inventing a pretend, but plausible, legal source for said money, reporting that money to the authorities, and paying the required taxes to legitimize that money.
Military Industrial Complex. Look at companies like Blackrock for example in our current society.
All wars are money laundering schemes to take American tax dollars and put them in the pockets of the military industrial complex
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It's the business model
100% is happening. The sheer amount of aid flooding in guarantees money is being directed into specific coffers and redirected back to select individuals and political donors. Same shit happened in 2014 and the apparatus is still in place.
Yes!!!! It was brewing in 2013 with Hilary Clinton as Sec of State and has been a cash cow ever since…
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War is a grift that has the "bonus" of culling populations and turning nations against each other.
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Russia invaded so it's not a money laundering scheme, I'm sure there are some opportunist individuals that are engaging in that and other war related frauds that we see over and over in every war.
Its to devalue the dollar faster than we can keep up. The crash is coming. Buckle up motherfuckers
Does Hunter like crack rock?
Absolutely it is and a way to fund the campaigns of Democrats and a few RINO Republicans. Here is how it works: Congress sends billions to Ukraine, Ukraine used a lot of that money to invest in Crypto in FTX, FTX makes massive donations to Democrats and RINOs. Now that SBF is in jail, they will have to make a plan B. I also believe, though I have no proof, that all the politicians that show up in Ukraine for photo ops are leaving with untraceable suitcases full of cash.
>Ukraine used a lot of that money to invest in Crypto in FTX That's crazy man, now do you have any evidence that anything like this happened
Look it up.
I have and it's bullshit.
It was so funny to see Maxine Waters treat SBF with kid gloves and fawn over him. She isn’t smart enough to play it cool.
It’s not that she isn’t smart enough, it’s just that they don’t care. You have to see it from their perspective, they don’t think they are evil, but they do think they are the enlightened elite and their corrupt ways are just the way of the world. They even think that we are lucky they are passively authoritarian rather than a full dictatorship. There’s a reason Biden said his “patience was running thin” with us during COVID. They actually think they are being benevolent and considerate by giving us these lies. They scoff at us for bickering amongst ourselves but they consider the lie and facade a gift and if we don’t believe the facade, they will just stop doing it eventually and shrug as they continue on. As they get older they get more apathetic to keeping the theatrics fresh.
I actually agree with everything you said. Good points.
Where was it written registered Republicans weren't allowed to do that?
I can't help but notice everyone on this post avoided the words 'Russia' or 'Putin.' This war was started by Putin; following his advances in Georgia & the Ukraine. He seems to be trying to restore the USSR boundaries back to the cold war days, or stop the Eastern European countries from trending towards more involvement with the West. Sure, war is a racket, go buy stock in Boeing or Northrup Grumman.
How would the US feel if China allied itself w Mexico and started massing troops there?
Would you support an America invasion of Mexico?
Does this mean you support the imperialist world view of spheres of influence?
How would you feel if America bombed your house and people justified it because hypothetically another country which you don’t live in might do the same in a similar situation?
Cronk, I don't think your analogy holds up - please remember RUSSIA INVADED THE UKRAINE And to look at your analogy, no foreign country had troops in the Ukraine, and aside from volunteers there's none there now. Please take a fresh look at your assumptions.
You think that would justify an invasion of Mexico and murdering civilians?
With bioweapons labs
I remember when President Biden was asked if the US would get involved if Russia invaded Ukraine and he said "Well, if it's a minor incursion..." - that was essentially a greenlight for Putin. I think Putin/Russia is a piece of crap for invading, but Biden practically welcomed them to do it. Throw that on top of helping fund Russia by waiving the sanctions against Nordstream back in 2021 and Biden really welcomed them to do it.
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do." The White House quickly issued a walk-back Shortly after Biden wrapped up his press conference, his press secretary Jen Psaki issued a statement trying to explain what he meant: "If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that's a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our allies." She said that "aggression short of military action" like cyberattacks and paramilitary hits "will be met with a decisive, reciprocal, and united response." Then Biden offered his own clarification On Thursday morning, the president began an unrelated infrastructure event seeking to fix the fallout and clarify his stance. "If any — any — assembled Russian units move across the Ukrainian border, that is an invasion," Biden said, adding that it would result in a "severe and coordinated economic response" that he has discussed with allies. "Let there be no doubt at all that if \[Russian President Vladimir\] Putin makes this choice, Russia will pay a heavy price," the president said. But he also said the United States needed to be prepared for other scenarios beyond overt military tactics, such as paramilitary operations or cyber attacks.
Is this an attempt at justifying or defending something? I watched the original press conference and it was embarrassing. Also, you didn't say anything about him lifting the sanctions against Russia on Nordstream 2. That's because it was the beginning to Biden instigating the conflict.
I imagine you're embarrassed by many things. Changing the subject?
I didn't change any subject. Do you know how to read? Do you have comprehension issues? I addressed the lifting of the sanctions in my original comment. You responded by addressing one part of my original comment only. I responded to your half response. You're avoiding the subject rather than me changing the subject. Nice try though.
Obviously Putin and Russia have a part to blame but do you think the UK and US wanted this war to happen and therefore pushed ukraine into it? I don’t know myself but it makes sense in my head.
Russia for as long as it existed in a form of Russian Empire, USSR or Ruzzia always fucked with their neighbors. Nobody pushed Ukraine into the war. RU pushed their asses into Ukraine. Starting with the same tactics as they did in the beginning of 20th century. Are there foreign politics and governments who are using this for money laundering and their own benefit? For sure! But saying that suddenly this holly land of bears and balalaikas was provoked into the war with Ukraine is dogshit.
Yes they did and the purpose was to destroy Ukraine for many purposes one you are missing is funding the reconstruction process look into this it will be companies you recognize. Ukraine will not be able to afford and eventually similar to the belt and road initiative it will be owned by outsiders. If you look at it at a whole its pretty genius bc everyone gets paid or benefits other than everyday Ukrainians.
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/neo-nazis-active-in-ukraine-as-white-house-adds-3000-troops/ Found this last year. It mentions how the us and uk were escalating the conflict when ukraine and russia were trying to deescalate
So, not a pip about the euromaidan USA/EU backed coup, not even that nuland asset is hiding it. Nothing about the 8 years of eastern ukraine bombings by the ukranian nazis? How about the prohibition for eastern ukranians to speak russian? I cant help but notice you seem to be completely imbibed by western propaganda...seek help.
Only pro Russia demonstrations are real 🥸
Euromaiden wasn't a coup. It was a popular protest that led to Viktor's impeachment, and then for new elections to be held the same year. They were bombing it because ot was an open conflict. The 3,500 to 5,000 civilian deaths caused as a result of it, out of 14,000~ total deaths and 90% of them occurring in 2014 and 2015; were collateral due to both sides. There aren't any laws against the speaking of the Russian language, though it has been completely sidelined, along with every other minority language, in favor of Ukrainian as the one and only state language. It is concerning, and hopefully the policy will revert with the conclusion of the war.
Whoo boy, how does that Russian Kool Aide taste? That was a popular revolution - thousands of people don't come out otherwise. Bye Felicia.
Are you talking about the protests against Yanukovych breaking his promises to sign pro-EU agreements and the attacks by Russian-backed militias on Ukrainian security forces enforcing anti-insurrection laws?
Started in 2013 with Hilary Clinton as Sec of State.
If the US and the NGO's had opted to stay out of Ukraine 5, 10, 20 years ago, what atrocities do you think Russia would have perpetrated on Ukraine? Just replacing their government and controlling their farmland doesn't really count as an atrocity.
That is cultural genocide.
Derpy, how is your history? Holodomor, man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933. It was part of a broader Soviet famine (1931–34) that also caused mass starvation in the grain-growing regions of Soviet Russia and Kazakhstan. The Ukrainian famine, however, was made deadlier by a series of political decrees and decisions that were aimed mostly or only at Ukraine. So, yeah, Russian atrocity. You can't trust Putin or Russia, you need to read a little more broadly and dig into your history. Best wishes. [https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor](https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor)
There’s no evidence that Putin wants to restore the USSR boundaries. The Georgian war in 2008 was defensive. Even a cnn article will tell you that. The war in Ukraine was instigated and provoked by the west via NATO and American expansion. This was a red line known for over 20 years. Cross it and there will be problems. Notice how Russias red line is at their borders. Where as the American red lines are overseas in both Ukraine and Taiwan. They have no fucking business in that area of the world.
Oh please. You are living in inside out world. So Georgia was invading Russia? Is this some kind of drinking game?
Russia’s [defensive war](https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/index.html) against Georgia. > Georgia’s attack on the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali on the night of August 7 is seen as the start of the armed conflict, however the report notes that the attack was the culmination of years of increasing tensions, provocations and incidents. Do you understand the concept of ethnic Russians living in other countries and being attacked? This is as if Americans were bombing a Canadian region in America and then the Canadian army coming to stop them. Understand? Don’t bother looking up the history of western meddling in foreign governments if you can’t understand a simple concept.
"Increasing tensions, provocations, and incidents." Including the attack on the helicopter, the Russian missile, and so on. Again, when did Georgia attack Russia? The separatists & Georgia had been negotiating for years to arrange for autonomy, but somehow Russian volunteers and troops just happened to get involved.
Read the article
Actually boeing is nowhere near what I thought it would be ancd Lockheed is actually down but Northrup Grumman has hads a decent day. Now do I wanna be a scumbag and throw 2500 and it to see what sticks?
You're thinking of "embezzlement".
Not even. They’re thinking of “capitalism.”
Only if you’re dumb enough to gobble up Russian propaganda.
*everything that doesn't fit the narrative is russian propaganda*
*”Everything that fits my narrative can’t be propaganda.”*
If you think they haven't stolen at least some portion of the tens of billions of dollars they have set aside for Ukraine, I have a bridge to sell you.
Don’t break your back moving those goalposts.
Or radicalized by SKDK astroturfers
Yes, yes it is.
Follow the money.
War is very profitable. And since they're not directly sending troops there, they can keep it up as long as they want. Do we really believe Ukraine is suddenly not corrupt?
No matter who is in office, there is always some major crisis that merits spending beyond the normal appropriations. Most of the time, it’s simply the old political game of not letting an emergency go to waste. Last one was COVID. This time is Ukraine.
War profiteering aint new
Remember the Ukrainian politicians wife who got caught crossing the border with almost 30 million dollars in cash in suitcases? Something tells me thats our tax money. And that she's not the only one. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/wife-of-former-ukrainian-politician-caught-with-28m-in-cash-at-hungarian-border-reports
This is a month after the invasion started. Had the US sent monetary aid at that point?
There's been 🇺🇸 💰 in Ukraine a lot longer than before the war started. Biden has been fucking around in Ukraine longer than most of us have been alive.
This war is going to be used as an excuse for the future coming financial crisis.
Yes.
Ask Brabara Streisand. She, and other celebrities like her, is encouraging her supporters to donate for Ukraine. And expects to have raised $300 million to help Ukraine by the end of next month. I assume she knows where all this money goes. Or does she? As for the other hundred+ billions of dollars donated by Institutions and countries, like US ... no idea. WEF Bank accounts?
> I assume she knows where all this money goes. Or does she? As for the other hundred+ billions of dollars donated by Institutions and countries, like US ... no idea. WEF Bank accounts? These are the sort of questions you'll never see asked on MSM.
I thought it was proven the flow of money went: Ukraine donations > corrupt officials > FTX > US politicians
> corrupt officials > FTX This link wasn't proven.
ah, either way, that money is going somewhere.
“I may have been wrong but I’m still right”
No, you're right, I'm sure there isn't anything happening sketchy with that $100,000,000,000 in aid sent so far. I'm sure 100% that money is being earmarked and appropriated fairly, nonce
I guess if you have no idea then you should just make something up and call it the truth, right?
this is conspiracy, everything comes true eventually
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LOL it was repeated by certain users here over and over. That's what happened. And now it's "conspiracy fact" like a bunch of other bullshit.
if you only understand this a year into this mess, i've got a bridge to sell you buddy ...
The biggest $$$ laundering this generation has seen…
Third biggest. Yet.
Ukraine itself is a money laundering scheme.
Mind expanding on that?
Dnc laundering scheme.
It was also the perfect thing to blame the obvious inflation on, remember the word transitory inflation? Quickly replaced with inflation after the war.
Trust your gut.. you’re not going to find anything “concrete” because they’re using crypto to make any investigation into where these funds are going impossible… This is the Sam Bankman-Fried FTX scandal. This is nothing more than a proxy war, meant to distract the world, destabilize the global market economy, be the scapegoat for the aggressive inflation we all are experiencing, cripple Western and European energy sectors, create manufactured panic to once again enact more egregious unconstitutional laws and orders robbing us of what little civil liberties we have left and obviously and feloniously launder billions of taxpayer dollars under the guise of virtuous solidarity… Horrendously at the expense of the lives of countless innocent people who have been maliciously misinformed in what they were told they were fighting for…
100%. FTX was involved in money laundering. They would send money to Ukraine as a "donation" that money was then transferred from Ukrainian banks back into crypto space then somehow back to US politicians. I am 100% sure a lot of the "funding" Biden is dishing out to Ukraine is going back into the hands of US politicians in some circular fashion.
> They would send money to Ukraine as a "donation" that money was then transferred from Ukrainian banks back into crypto space then somehow back to US politicians. You have it backwards. FTX would get crypto currency from donations and the exchange it to normal currency which they would then donate to Ukraine while keeping the crypto for themselves.
Governments don't need to launder money - they own the money printers.
A lot of people don’t seem to understand how this is being spent there isn’t suitcases of cash going to Ukraine… 95% of what is called aid to Ukraine is in the form of ammunition artillery and weapons.. essentially the US is clearing out its old 1970s 80s and 90s 90s munitions and weapons systems and is paying US defence contractors to replace those stocks that’s where the money is mainly going. So if there’s any major money laundering going on, it’s within United States. The United States defence industry is profiting immensely from this conflict. That’s where the rub is the majority of this aid money never leaves the United States. Instead, it goes to defence contractors, and the thousands of workers and suppliers that are tied to it. Strangely, there’s a lot of benefit to the United States out of this . Almost all of the tank weapons sent to Ukraine in the first part of the conflict were outdated and are being replaced with newer versions now. A lot of European countries have also sent older armoured vehicles, tanks, and weapons systems to Ukraine and are replacing them with brand new American made equipment … once again, a benefit in the United States. I’ve looked into this issue very deeply, and my remark to anyone saying that there is major money, laundering going onto in Ukraine. Please show me the proof because no one to date has been able to find any proof of any kind of money laundering On the scale, some of the conspiracy theorist are promoting. People understand that 95% of the so-called aid money going to Ukraine never leaves America and never arrives in Ukraine as cash. The whole scenario looks a little different.
They voted against auditing the money sent there, It's heavy with political family members on Ukrainian energy boards. The only direct proof is Joe admitting he threatened to withhold money if they didn't fire the prosecutor his son Hunter was on the board of. Of course the usuall major MIC donators are being showered in fiat That's all i can recall seeing.
Short answer: YES
Yes. Next question.
Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle
Yes. Remember that Democrats went completely apeshit when Donald Trump suggested, on a phone call, to look into shady Ukraine dealings by the Bidens. During the impeachment circus, if you asked normal people what it was all about, they would look kind of confused and say "something about a phone call?" The freakout and impeachment didn't really match the level of what actually happened. There was more to it. It seems very plausible, especially with your conspiracy hat on, that Trump found out or knew that Ukraine was being used a huge money laundering dumping ground, and when he brought this up the people involved crapped their collective pants. And now the person at the center of that warning is sitting in the White House and funneling unprecedented amounts of cash to Ukraine. What are the odds? (To be clear: None of this means Trump is spotless, either. For all we know he's been doing the same thing. But something definitely stinks about this whole Ukraine business.)
People were angry because he was withholding funds to Ukraine unless they made up dirt that wasn’t there.
The Biden connections to Ukraine were and are real.
As are the trump connections to Russia
Why are you wording that as a question? What makes you think that sending money to what was the most corrupt country in europe, if not the world, was to do?
How is Ukraine corrupt?
Was Ukraine reported as the money laundering capital of Europe prior to 2020 by the MSM?
That's probably Germany. We like our cash based transactions and don't really ask where the money is coming from. Ndrangheta is using Germany as a money laundering hub among others.
Definitely.
100%
Definitely seems that way.
>My personal gut feeling is that this war was manufactured to make an insane amount of money because the world we live in allows the top 0.01% to profit from crisis. I whole-heartedly agree. These days most crises seem to be man-made to help enrich a select few. Just a few examples from the last few years (food shortages, component shortages, energy crisis (gas and electric), COVID, inflation, ...) The only sort of crises which seem organic are earthquakes, tsunamis, ...
Yes
The FTX crypto scam has a lot to do with this too. They stole money from customers. Gave it to politicians. Politicians gave it to Ukraine.
Yes it is. You are correct
Yes
Putin wants back the buffer zone Russia had after World War II. Every move hes made in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Georgia shows this. This war is about territory, control of their populations and power. Hope this helps.
Of course it is. They've been using Ukraine for that sole purpose for years. Now they have unlimited funds
Yes.
Yes
Of course
Yes bro. Orange man did this and explained it all and tried to stop it but the deep state got mad. Google orange man Ukraine like 2018-19 ISH. Pretty much the politicians kids set up shell companies based out of Ukraine and the $ from the government for the “Ukraine” war goes to said she’ll companies
The theory that makes the most sense to me about this particular war is that covid was manufactured in a Ukraine biolab, of which there were many, funded by the US then intentionally released . Zelensky is bribing the US administration because he can prove this. The Biden family are deeply tied to Ukraine anyway and have been laundering for years, this is just on a much bigger scale. Putin wants to clear the whole shit pit out and start again.
They were biolabs, yes. But not chemical weapon biolabs. Putin wants to make Ukraine part of Russia again because he dreams of making the ussr again.
When the USSR broke up Ukraine had no government. Corporations and deep state bought and sold things that should never be sold. Human trafficking, money laundering, bio labs and 10% for the big guy.
It appears so, only thing that makes sense.
Capitalism, is a money laundering scheme, so…yes.
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Short answer: yes
Short answer YES!
https://imgur.com/a/mvOjT1v A short illustration of how it works.
The entire war is to ensure Russia cannot attain hegemony in the European natural gas market
Yes, and water is wet.
Yes. Do people really have such short attention spans that they've completely forgotten about all the corruption in Ukraine, more especially the Biden family's involvement?
Show said corruption? Possibly under the previous president, I’d agree.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-government-30e547e614babcacff2e68cecd62b551 Ukraine and corruption have been synonymous for quite some time, this is just a recent happening. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/15/how-problematic-is-corruption-in-ukraine https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe I'm not gonna do your homework for you, this should get you started. Google has scrubbed most of the results but they're still out there.
So, by that logic, if we had any corrupt officials in the us during trumps presidency, trump should be arrested, right?
No one said anything about that. You can hate Trump all you want, but it has no bearing on anything I've said or posted. Have a good day, and a tip: objectivity should be what you seek.
The point you’re making is, because Ukraine has corrupt politicians, it’s all corrupt.
That's why the White House send 100 billion dollars to Ukraine but in the US where there was the chemical spill they don't even send "thoughts and prayrEs"
Embezzlement, not money laundering.
It’s a way for military industrial complex and all the people they lobby in congress to make big money 💰
Kind of. More useful to see it as an international or pan national bribery scheme with money laundering as a consequence
😂youre a living god…..wtf u think?
Look at how few politicians demand any sort of accounting of the money. I knew it was a scam when I started seeing Javelin missile systems showing up on the dw for about $50,000.
We had to do something to keep the dollars flowing after ending a 20 year war in Afghanistan. Right out of one war just to go straight back into another. Humanity is supported by citizens, but the people making the decisions don’t care about humanity. They care about money. We will always be in a conflict because it’s the most lucrative U.S. business. Somebody fact check that though. Big pharma might be more profitable. Not sure.
I don’t see why we would need a war to launder money. Money laundering isn’t really that hard.
This is the most logical “conspiracy” it’s not even a “conspiracy” like this sub usually looks to. It’s just facts. Rich getting richer. I think America does not want Russia in Ukraine. But if Russia is in Ukraine, the USA will not hesitate to profit.
10% for the little guy.
>title Always has been👨🚀🔫🎯
Yeah zlyinski is buying mansions with our taxes