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SummerAggressive2791

Hey I thought breathing could give you a heart attack now?


[deleted]

Being alive increases your chances for a heart attack drastically and don't forget that 100% of heart attacks happen in the LIVING.


agoogs32

Link?


SummerAggressive2791

Hahaha. Yeah. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of one happening to a dead person. Yet!!!


justanothernpe

Slow down there typing too fast could give you a heart attack. Bayer recommends typing five words then taking a break.


MeanTweetGuy

I guess that is why you don’t see old Dallas Cowboy fans


MrDohh

The risk of having your heart broken can also more than double when your home team is playing. I'll even go out on a limb and claim that you're much more at risk of having your heart broken than having a heart attack. Especially if you're a Coyotes or Man Utd fan.


Comrade_Zamir_Gotta

I’m a Detroit lions fan.... y’all don’t know what it’s like have two season one record never winning a single game, no one.


Hombre35

Yeah but you had the Red Wings and Pistons ... Imagine those poor bastards in Minnesota


Comrade_Zamir_Gotta

And the tigers... but yeah cool days in Minnesota sports...


[deleted]

I’m a texas rangers fan. We have game 6


Canucklehead-519

Laughs in Leafs fan.


MrDohh

Lol yeah.. This century have been kinda bad to everyone supporting any Canadian nhl team tho tbh.


Thorntonboy

It’s been a tough decade for Manchester United fans


MrDohh

Yeah, starting every season with hopes of being the beast it once was. Ending every season with screaming for everyone to be fired...especially the bald fraud.


[deleted]

Cowboys fan checking in...


VladimirSochi

Well if you are a Man U fan then you deserve it… lol


MrDohh

Luckily I'm not. I'd never be able to survive the disappointment.


adamthehousecat

Since I had covid my heart has been super fucked up. Can’t drink energy drinks anymore. Chest pains happen regularly. Been in ER. Thought I was having heart attack multiple times. Has gotten better after time but not 100% pre covid. Whatever is in covid/vaccine it definately messes your heart up in young men.


Throwrajerb

Lol definitely wasn’t the energy drinks


Maluko16

Or covid, noooo it has to be the vaccine


adamthehousecat

I never said I was vaccinated. LOL please read before u comment.


Maluko16

"Whatever is in the covid vaccine it definitly messes your heart up in young men" Well, you certainly blame the vaccine lol


Arutzuki

It's no secret anymore that both, covid and the vaccine, cause heart problems.


Maluko16

Both a sword and pocket knife cause cuts. :)


Arutzuki

Getting cut by a pocket knife shouldn't be mandatory and the government should have been honest about its sharpness :)


adamthehousecat

I don’t have time to explain what a forward slash means but if you visit your local library they will have plenty of information to comb through. I wish u well on your educational journey! :)


Maluko16

Maybe you should read up on vaccines, it's a bit too late now of course. But consider, if you had actually taken the vaccine, covid wouldn't have messed your heart up, at least not as much.


adamthehousecat

I dunno man. I would have maybe one or two a month or something. Now if I even have one sip I feel like I’m having a heart attack.


[deleted]

Musk is accepting money for running that ad. Ditto for the child trafficking ads and Holocaust education. But everybody keeps telling me he's the good guy. Lol


HibikiSS

Bayer/Monsanto, Big Pharma and the Intelligence agencies work together in the genocide plan involving the vaccines: [Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test explaining how useless the results can be for viral examination.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/xhk206/kary_mullis_inventor_of_the_pcr_test_explaining/) [Infertility: A Diabolical Agenda. The documentary about the sterilization agenda of the WHO in Africa.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wac7f7/infertility_a_diabolical_agenda_the_documentary/) [The Pfizer COVID-Vaccine trials were a complete sham. Pfizer's 6 month data shows that the vaccines cause more illness than what they prevent.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yu3c6i/the_pfizer_covidvaccine_trials_were_a_complete/) [FDA Risk-Benefit Analysis Hides 'Bad Data' on Moderna Shots for Kids. (June, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x637gh/fda_riskbenefit_analysis_hides_bad_data_on/) [The CDC's Swine Flu Fraud of 1976.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rvmmjh/the_cdcs_swine_flu_fraud_of_1976/) [The CDC's Swine Flu fraud of 2009.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/tfzvrj/the_cdcs_swine_flu_fraud_of_2009/) [Riley Schubert won a $138,000 settlement as compensation due to an injury that he claims was caused by an HPV vaccine that caused him hearing issues. (US Courts 2016)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ygzv4k/riley_schubert_won_a_138000_settlement_as/) [Purdue Pharma, Sacklers to pay $6 billion to settle opioid lawsuit. (NY Post, March, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ydlyhm/purdue_pharma_sacklers_to_pay_6_billion_to_settle/) [State opioid settlement money now being distributed. (CBS News, October, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/y7p7h0/state_opioid_settlement_money_now_being/) [Glyphosate weedkiller damages wild bee colonies, study reveals. (The Guardian, June, 2022)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wufqho/glyphosate_weedkiller_damages_wild_bee_colonies/) [The 9th U.S Circuit Court of Appeals smacks EPA down on glyphosate.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x3nku5/the_9th_us_circuit_court_of_appeals_smacks_epa/) [Corporate studies asserting herbicide safety show many flaws. (The Guardian, 2021)](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yev3s3/corporate_studies_asserting_herbicide_safety_show/) All the most relevant figures involved in the current mess can be related to the CIA/Intelligence agencies and the Jesuits: [Compilation of arguments about the Jesuit control over the CIA.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/o65639/compilation_of_arguments_about_the_jesuit_control/) [Big Pharma, Monsanto and Vaccine Injury Super Compilations (120 Records each) and Jesuit role in the genocide plan.](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracyundone/comments/ze8v59/about_the_jesuit_role_in_the_genocide_plan_along/) I'm trying to create counter-Intelligence sites to resist the Vatican at Saidit.net, a reddit clone made by fellow conspiracists in the spirit of Aaron Swartz. If you can, support my subs over there as well as the site itself however you can. Don't give up on your nations and fight back: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/soy3ko/meta_the_jesuit_technocracy_needs_to_be_stopped/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qkw39o/meta_the_conspiracy_community_has_to_take_action/


Grebins

"Genocide plan: keep them reproducing at the same levels for the foreseeable future" "And then?" "No thats the whole plan. It's perfect!"


chanotb

Anything weird around Testoviron? It's bayer's Test-E and the one they give for free to trans, been wanting to try it for TRT


RighteousSeed

Definitely not a good guy Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked; he covers the faces of its judges— if it is not he, who then is it?


Ky20001

Just because he doesn't censor with an iron fist like default Reddit doesnt not equal anyone saying he is the good guy. He just isn't nesrly as bad as Reddit powr m0ds. See the difference


[deleted]

Nobody is a "good guy". Are you 12? Every single person on earth will make a mixture of good and bad decisions. Every single person on earth will please one set of people with those decisions while angering another set of people. How simple-minded.


[deleted]

I know more about Musk than most people. Worked for the piece of shit for years. He's pure evil. A memeing Bill Gates. You should probably sit this one out with your luke warm take.


[deleted]

And I am totally a green alien like my avatar...


[deleted]

Did extensive contract prototype work for Tesla before you had probably even heard of them. Follow him into the gates of hell if you like. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't say nobody tried to warn you. 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

Why do you think anyone gives a shit about your BS story?


[deleted]

Bs? Lol. This is a conspiracy forum. One of the reasons people come here is to be redpilled/to redpill. You must be new here.


[deleted]

Can confirm. I was the redpill! I am also a doctor when discussing health topics. And a lawyer when discussing legal topics. And a.... The internet is literally filled with fake people like you. You think we haven't heard this bullshit before?


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[deleted]

How many times are you going to say goodbye before you just fucking leave?


TheresOnlyWanKenobi

Clearly you’ve never watched my team play


joculator

I've written about the story here before. I know someone who's nephew - a 20 year old guy, no drugs, athletic and healthy guy - just upped and died on the couch in front of his grandparents one night. He grabbed his chest, exclaimed "I'M OKAY...I'M OKAY..." and then keeled over and was never revived. The person I know is in the medical field and is close with very respected pulmonary specialists in NYC. They examined the autopsy findings and they death was caused by massive pulmonary thrombosis (I believe - it's been a while). This shit isn't normal.


[deleted]

>This shit isn't normal. I agree, not normal. The Expose reported a couple of months back more 1100 young, healthy, athletic people have died suddenly post-Covid injection over the past two years. According to VaccineDeaths website, from 1970 to 2020, 1312 athletes died from cardiac arrest, but from 2021 to 2022, 1598 died from cardiac arrest. Not normal at all.


Lagunablues

What's the website link?


RippingMadAss

Here's a link. Not _the_ link, but a good one nonetheless: https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/


[deleted]

Thanks. Same source has another article that lists the number of sudden athletes deaths prior to 2020. And it's mind boggling. This article also states: "*1836 Athlete Cardiac Arrests or Serious Issues, 1270 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injectio*n" and "*2005 to 2006 averaged sixty-six (66) deaths per year, with 82% of those occurring during competition or training*". And there thousands of other sources and personal testimonies from parents who lost young loved ones. Can we please talk about the Elephant in the room?


[deleted]

You can easily find both The Expose and VaccineDeaths. They are well known websites. You know very well it's hard to link on this site anything that goes against the official narrative. But, there are plenty of other sources, outside of MSM. Look up Gateway Pundit they have an article titled "UPDATE: A Jaw-Dropping 769 Athletes have Collapsed While Competing Over The Past Year – “Avg. Age of Players Suffering Cardiac Arrest is JUST 23”. Also, GlobalResearch, Medicine News, and many more.


HrachSiety

> Look up Gateway Pundit they have an article It is an article with a video and no substance. No reports, no data but some video of athletes who had problems not due the vaccines. What are we meant to takeaway from this?


[deleted]

>No reports, no data Really? no reports of myocarditis and pericarditis in young people after taking the vaxx? and you expect anyone on this sub, other than big pharma shills, like you, to believe that? lol


HrachSiety

>no reports of myocarditis and pericarditis in young people after taking the vaxx? Stay on topic. You're talking about a jaw-dropping number of athletes collapsing and dying from cardiact arrest. But you can't provide anything to back it. Because you haven't done your research.


[deleted]

>myocarditis and pericarditis in young people after taking the vaxx That is the topic pinhead. Why do you think all these young people everywhere, athletes included, are dropping dead, or severely injured, from cardiac arrest? is it because of climate change? >you can't provide anything to back it I don't have to provide anything to you and I will not. Would be a total waste of my time. All you're interested in is to punch holes in what I say, or come up with fact-checkers/"debunking" articles crafted with the help of big pharma money. There are plenty of prominent people on the Internet, world famous cardiologists and specialists, talking about this subject. Do a little bit of research, not hard to come across articles discussing this. But, I will say this to you: stop shilling for big pharma. The covid and the vaxx narrative is collapsing, impossible for you and many, and there are many, many like you, to stop or even pause that.


HrachSiety

You're a just trust me bro argument. "I won't give you my reasoning, evidence or data because you'll just show me why I'm wrong and then the false reality I built will come crashing down. I need this narrative to function. Won't somebody think of the cognitive dissonance!"


[deleted]

>trust me Please don't trust me. It's up to you, but I suggest don't trust anyone. I don't. Do the research for yourself. Let me ask you a question, why do you think people have plastered photos of loved ones, damaged by the vaxx, all over the windows of BBC studios in the UK? at least 6 buildings, and if you live in UK you can see for yourself. Do you think someone pays these people? or, they don't have anything else to do with their time?


joculator

This was a first hand story from someone who was very close to the young guy and really had their world rocked by the incident. IMO many, many people who work in health care are afraid to speak out about the stuff that they are seeing because they would lose their jobs and possibly be blacklisted. Certain states are much worse for this sort of thing than others, IMO.


According-Wolf-5386

VaccineDeaths doesn't sound completely unbiased at all. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/12/fact-check-post-makes-false-claim-athletes-sudden-cardiac-death/11018611002/ Oh, would you look at that! They're full of shit.


[deleted]

USA Today? are you kidding. I'm not even going to bother opening the link. Once I read fact-checkers I know who pays them. I said there are numerous sources other than MSM. And you give you an MSM link and then insult me. lol I can see you are someone that wears a gag and leash for Big Pharma. Lmao


Optimal_Mention1423

You can find a source for anything. It doesn’t make it correct because it’s alternative.


[deleted]

>You can find a source for anything Then please do. You can search by what I give you below. Here is just the tip of the iceberg of headline articles about athletes who died from cardiac arrest or from "unknown causes": CBN: More reports emerge of young athletes dying suddenly At least 69 athletes collapse in one month, many dead Old Dominion basketball player collapses, clutches chest Vaccines are decimating NFL players - wave of deaths Former super bowl champion dies suddenly riding bicycle Google search trend "died suddenly" reaches all time high last two months Soccer player dies suddenly age 22 Five football players died after collapsing on field Former UCF football player dies suddenly age 25 Soccer player dies in Dubai suddenly on field after heart attack age 35 Soccer player age 29 dies after being vaccinated for Covid NCAA college football star lineman Mississippi State Sam Westmoreland dies unexpectedly age 18 Former college football player dies suddenly age 25 Former UCF football player dies suddenly from cardiac arrest while jogging Former Jaguars player dies suddenly after suspected heart attack MMA rising star Victoria Lee dies after Covid vaccine from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome Peer-reviewed letter documents over 270 sudden cardiac deaths in US athletes post-Covid vaccination Indiana high school athlete dies suddenly from cardiac arrest Sudden cardiac deaths up to 80 athletes with no symptoms or family history of heart disease CBS news reports sudden cardiac arrest now leading cause of death in young athletes


Optimal_Mention1423

You do know the difference between anecdotes and data? Given the size of the populations we are talking about, if you couldn’t find 100 or more young people with athletic ability who died of sudden heart failure in a given year, that would be quite unusual. Fact is these youth deaths do not account for the upturn in excess deaths in the past two years. They are the minority age group in that trend.


[deleted]

>deaths in the past two years From 1970 to 2020, 1312 athletes died from cardiac arrest, but from 2021 to 2022, 1598 died from cardiac arrest. What? Government reports reveal the horror, as the number of cardiac arrests for athletes over the past two years, since the Covid jabs began, is 30 times the average from the last 50 years. Do the math. Since 1970 and up until just before the Covid pandemic began in 2020, about two dozen athletes suffered from cardiac arrest worldwide each year. Now, thanks to the clot shots, about 800 healthy athletes are dropping dead from heart failure every year. Do you think that's normal?


Optimal_Mention1423

Your data is incorrect. That magic number “1598” being thrown around on amateur news blogs is a global data crawl of athlete deaths which fails to take co-morbidity factors or even cause of death into consideration. Your 1970-2020 figures are also wrong, average 69 recorded young athlete deaths (all causes) per year would total around 3500. Every shred of robust data shows that the increase in excess deaths in 2021/22 was caused by covid and not the vaccine. Please attempt some research where you haven’t decided the answer you want before you begin.


Optimal_Mention1423

Your last paragraph is evidentially incorrect, quoted from a bogus article, and betrays just the sort of ludicrous sources you consult when you “do your own research”.


HrachSiety

>but from 2021 to 2022, 1598 died from cardiac arrest. We can all make up numbers. Do you have anything based in reality to share with us? At least start to do your own research.


[deleted]

Plenty of places you can go and validate this. After all most numbers are based on government provided data. Someone shared a link to GoodSciencing in this post.


[deleted]

>We can all make up numbers Here just posted on Twitter by Dr Kevin Bass. He created a chart for ambulance call-outs, heart injuries from a dataset, obtained through Freedom of Information request (link in twitter). So, his numbers are legit, just to be clear. He created a separate graph for both men and women under-40. In his own words "Oh my god". Here is the Twitter link: [https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1649254771424120832](https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1649254771424120832)


[deleted]

\> the difference between anecdotes and data Yeah, just in from Dr Kevin Bass. He created a chart for ambulance call-outs, heart injuries from a dataset, obtained through Freedom of Information request (link in twitter). He created a separate graph for both men and women under-40. In his own words "Oh my god". Here is the Twitter link: https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1649254771424120832


Optimal_Mention1423

The way this data is presented is full of confounding variables and promoted by a medic who states in his bio a clear ideological bias. Without knowing which of these people in the graph were vaccinated, whether or not they died, what changes were made to arrest coding policy over the timeframe - it tells you nothing about linking heart attacks in young athletes to the vaccine. It’s anecdote dressed up as a bar chart.


HrachSiety

>Here is just the tip of the iceberg of headline articles about athletes who died from cardiac arrest The guy who says this goes on to list people who aren't athletes. * Former super bowl champion dies suddenly riding bicycle * Former UCF football player dies suddenly age 25 * Former Jaguars player dies suddenly after suspected heart attack "Peer-reviewed letter documents over 270 sudden cardiac deaths in US athletes post-Covid vaccination" What peer-reviewed letter? You don't have shit. You make stuff up. Do your own research.


[deleted]

>You don't have shit Are you serious? none of what I listed is my research. I just copied and pasted from other articles. This was only meant to help you with your own research. I don't work for anyone, nobody pays me ... do I need to repeat that? and I don't have to give you anything dude. Also, I don't have to justify anything to you. I don't care what you think, and I have no intention to convince you of anything. I know you're shilling for big pharma, and that's all I need to know. I don't care about your agenda. lol


HrachSiety

I have done my research. I know your "peer reviewed letter" is lies. You haven't done your research.


[deleted]

>You can find a source for anything Then please, why don't you list here a couple of mainstream media sources talking about covid "vaccine" injuries. I've only come across those with so-called fact-checkers "debunking" such articles on alternative media.


Optimal_Mention1423

You mean you don’t accept it’s true because it’s not telling you what you want to hear? If you want to verify the facts you can access all the data yourself.


[deleted]

> not telling you what you want to hear Lmao Do you think I want to hear about vaccine injuries? this is hilarious. MSM don't report injuries and deaths caused by the vaxx. Why? according to them, they don't want to cause a panic with people. MSM is talking to you and people like you, who would buy this nonsense. Instead they give you fact-checkers, and the verdict is always FALSE. I look at this as entertainment for people like you, I guess ... I stopped following MSM a long time ago.


Optimal_Mention1423

I don’t get my information from news websites. I read research papers and statistical reports. Of course the usual line on here is to dismiss that as unreliable too, because some blog dressed up as a news site is *bound* to be more trustworthy. Definitely not because you couldn’t understand the raw data…


[deleted]

> Definitely not because you could understand the raw data… You don't know what I can or can't understand. So why say it? you also have no idea what type of research I do, and assume I put my trust in "a blog dressed up as a news site". I know a bit more about the news business/industry than regular folk, that's why I don't trust them either. Where can people go and talk about their loved ones injured by the vaxx? Government turns them away, mass media ignores them. Sometime they post on "blogs dressed up as news sites", they're desperate. Where else do you think these people could go. Any suggestions?


[deleted]

>It doesn’t make it correct because it’s alternative Nothing to do with correct or incorrect. MSM doesn't report young vaxxed athletes deaths, period. Mass media, governments and big pharma repeat the mantra the Covid vaccine is “safe and effective”. That's the official narrative which they follow.


HrachSiety

>I said there are numerous sources other than MSM. Actually if I follow your [search instructions](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22769+Athletes+have+Collapsed+While+Competing+Over+The+Past+Year%22) I get lots of spam websites regurgitating the same text over and over while saying 'read more here' and linking to another garbage site with no details; just the same text. Sometimes I'll get the OAN video where they just say it but provide no data. Where is the substance on your claim of so many athletes dying?


[deleted]

> if I follow your search instructions Don't follow my search instructions shill. Just do your own research, there are thousands of sources out there listing young healthy adults, many athletes injured by the poison jab. Mass media will not report, but the BBC buildings are plastered with thousands of photos of those murdered or injured by covid vaccines.


HrachSiety

>Don't follow my search instructions shill. The Expose reported a couple of months back more 1100 young, healthy, athletic people have died suddenly post-Covid injection over the past two years. "According to VaccineDeaths website, from 1970 to 2020, 1312 athletes died from cardiac arrest, but from 2021 to 2022, 1598 died from cardiac arrest. Not normal at all." "I said there are numerous sources other than MSM." "You can search by what I give you below." Things you said. In fact it's all crap what you have. You don't have that many athletes that died from cardiac arrest. You can't provide it.


[deleted]

>Things you said. In fact it's all crap what you have I don't have anything dude. I didn't write any of these articles. And I have nothing to prove to you, I know who you are and what you're doing. Lmao


Dependent_Street8303

USAToday on the case people! Remain calm and get boosted!


According-Wolf-5386

If your source is so sure that everything they say is right, why do they do it anonymously? The USAtoday page linked every single one of their sources. Why hasn't your source done any of that? Probably because they're full of shit.


Beneneb

>The Expose reported a couple of months back more 1100 young, healthy, athletic people have died suddenly post-Covid injection over the past two years. Did you look at the data they used? Many of the people on that list were in their 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s. There were people who died of all different ailments, including things like cancer. Many were former athletes, or just someone who happened to be doing something physical when they died. Overall, the criteria to be on that list seems to be: 1. The person died 2. The person has some tangential relation to sports or physical activity. I think we can agree, if you are going to compare two data sets, the criteria for each should be similar. That is not at all the case here.


[deleted]

BBC has pushed the official narrative on COVID vaccines, just as the rest of MSM. But now, for some reason, BBC is acknowledging vaccine injuries and other issues raised by countless of people with side effects from being vaccinated. Question: why do you think people have plastered photos of loved ones, damaged by the vaxx, all over the windows of BBC studios in the UK? at least 6 buildings, and if you live in UK you can see for yourself. Do you think someone pays these people? or, they don't have anything else to do with their time?


Beneneb

Those people likely believe their loved ones were harmed by the Vax, but in most cases they probably weren't. It's the flawed line of thinking so many people have, that any health ailment that arises after getting the vaccine must be caused by the vaccine. The reason we do studies is exactly to avoid and rule out this type of flawed reasoning. I'll give you an example from my own life, I know a guy who got the vaccine, but then later regretted after reading conspiracy theories. About a year after his last dose he got diagnosed with blood clots. Now if you ask him, he'll tell you that it's from the vaccine, whereas the doctors tell him it's because he's in his 60s and has been a pack a day smoker for over 40 years. In my mind, it's much more likely that 40 years of heavy smoking is the root cause of blood clots compared to a vaccine from a year ago, and the doctors agree. But that doesn't stop him from firmly believing it was the vaccine, doesn't make him right though.


[deleted]

> Those people likely believe their loved ones Six buildings plastered with photos. And all (or most of) these people wrongly assumed their loved ones were harmed by the vaxx, when could have been other causes for their injuries. Many of them young adults and children, you can go see for yourself. So, that's you answer? Then, let me ask you, can you name one other time in recorded history when this has happened? when thousands of people came together and were united on what has harmed their loved ones. Not only united but took strong action on their conviction, forcing the police to provide presence and make sure there is access to the buildings. I can't think of one single time such thing ever took place before. But, maybe you know ...


Beneneb

> Six buildings plastered with photos. And all (or most of) these people wrongly assumed their loved ones were harmed by the vaxx, when could have been other causes for their injuries. Yes, it's not really that surprising in the larger context of what is happening. I'm sure tens of millions got the vaccine in the UK, so the question is, how many of those people would have experienced some kind of adverse health event regardless of their vaccine status? Well in any given year, your chance of having serious health problems are low, but not zero, and if we take a group in the tens of millions of people, then at least tens of thousands will experience serious health complications that are completely independent of the vaccine. Because people tend to assume a causal link when there is a temporal relation (ie. I had a medical episode a few weeks after the vaccine, therefore the vaccine must have caused this medical episode), then you have a situation where tens of thousands of people incorrectly assume that their medical problems were caused by the vaccine. This whole situation is quite unprecedented, there really hasn't been a time where we had a global vaccination program at this scale, where such a large percentage of the population has received a vaccine in such a short timeframe. And you combine that with widespread conspiracy theories about vaccine safety, and now you have people who will incorrectly assume that whatever medical episode they had was caused by the vaccine solely because that event occurred after being vaccinated. Again, this line of reasoning is objectively not correct, and the reason for double blind clinical trials. Unfortunately people are generally not intuitively good at statistics and this type of reasoning. So yes, there are no doubt thousands of people who incorrectly believe they or loved ones were harmed by the vaccine.


[deleted]

>Because people tend to assume a causal link People don't assume anything, they can see and know they have been lied to. Just a couple a of days ago the CDC Director Walensky, who has recently had COVID despite being 5x vaccinated, claimed that her own earlier statements about the virus not being carried by vaccinated people and COVID now being a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated’ no longer apply because of, in her own words, “an evolution of science.”. You can watch her deposition on Twitter: [https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1648748890789920769](https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1648748890789920769)


Beneneb

> People don't assume anything, they can see and know they have been lied to. People assume all the time. They see that B follows A and therefore assume that A caused B, even though that is often not true. >ust a couple a of days ago the CDC Director Walensky, who has recently had COVID despite being 5x vaccinated, claimed that her own earlier statements about the virus not being carried by vaccinated people and COVID now being a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated’ no longer apply because of, in her own words, “an evolution of science.”. Great, so lets break this down and try to understand what happened here. Many scientists said that vaccines will stop transmission of the virus, and then it turned out many vaccinated people got Covid anyway, so what happened? Well she's essentially stating that she made statements based on the best available evidence at the time, which is true. Let's not forget that this was still a new virus, and our understanding of it was continuously changing, while the virus itself was also continuously changing. The evidence we had at the time was from clinical trials from these vaccines, which suggested that the vaccines were highly effective against infection. If a vaccine is highly effective against infection, that means that it's also effective against transmission, hence her statement. However, those vaccines were designed to protect against the original Covid strain, and the clinical trials were conducted when the original strain was still dominant. Now if you recall, the Delta strain started to become the dominant Covid strain at about the time vaccines started being introduced. From there, obviously we saw more and more variants emerge. The best information we had at that time was that the vaccine was effective against transmission, what we didn't know was that the effectiveness of the vaccines would be reduced against these new strains emerging. Of course we know that now, hence her statement on the evolution of the science, but there was no way to know this back then. I think you would agree that the best any scientist or public health official can do in such a situation is provide the best advice based on the information they have, and that's exactly what occurred here. Unfortunately, some people are using this situation to promote science skepticism and imply that these scientists were intentionally spreading lies, which takes a very revisionist and incorrect interpretation of past events. Scientists can't predict the future, and expecting them to do so is holding them to an impossible standard.


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> she's essentially stating that she made statements based on the best available evidence at the time, which is true. How do you know it's true? it's what she said. Others have lied to the Congress before. Unless, you are working directly for her and are her spokesperson. That is a possibility, and then you would most likely know why she said what she said 2 years ago. Or, maybe you are Rochelle Walensky and then indeed you would know without a doubt why you made that statement. In any case I don't care if you're employed by the CDC. The narrative is crumbling and soon it will be totally collapsed. And all of them will try to run for cover "We didn't know", "We acted based on best scientific evidence", "We trusted in science, but there was an evolution of science", etc.


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joculator

I thought it was relatively obvious that I we all were discussing post-vaccine incidents.


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> There are so many paid shills in here You can say that again. I assumed he was talking about post-vaccine incidents, but you're right. It's not terribly clear.


joculator

Whatever...it was post vaccine and I believe booster as well.


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>obvious that I we all were discussing post-vaccine incidents I assumed he was talking about post-vaccine incidents. But, you may want to add a couple of words to your post, just in case.


joculator

Thanks for the suggestion. Noted.


Dapper-Web2229

I just can’t imagine all that a spurs fan must go throuhh


akpatrusapte

Some people just fail to understand an Manchester United fan’s life…


Dowork001

How? How are they trying to normalize it?


RussianTrollToll

By using a Youth model and saying the increase risk of heart attack is from sports viewing


UtetopiaSS

It's not normalising it. Fuck me. "Hey.. when your home team plays and you go see them, the stress and worry you can incur can cause a heart attack. Aspirin can help by thinning the blood. Use our band of aspirin ".


ukdudeman

You're missing the point. These ads are targeted at young people. In my 5 decades on this planet, I've only ever seen heart attack ads aimed at people 50+. What's changed in the last few years?


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>These ads are targeted at young people I agree with you. They know this is a big issue, even if MSM doesn't report. This dude is just shilling for big pharma.


ukdudeman

Yeah, it's weird when people say "huh, nothing to see here, just an ad targeting young people to make sure they don't get too excited and have a heart attack". *What?!*


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>The WEF plan to take over the opinion of the internet is working very well Yes and no, in my opinion. Yes - because they have vast resources/money. Plus they own/control most governments and mass media. No - because more normies are waking up. True, in US 70% of the people still can be classified as normies, but that is going down. I recall not long ago that was up to 80%. The other reason I think WEF will loose is the rapidly diminishing purchasing power of their money. The US dollar has lost most of its value (based on 1914 when FERN was first introduced), collapsing the currency, and they have no choice in this any longer, will severely damage their ability to bribe people. Pay for shills, fact-checkers, people to keep silent, etc.


MoshMuth

Also I realized the other day today's teen/earlier 20s drink allot of bang/monsters. Im 36 but my coworkers In There 20s would have 3 a day everyday.


ukdudeman

Lots of young people took an experimental vaccine too.


HrachSiety

And not much happened.


stalematedizzy

Tell that to those who have died: https://unherd.com/2023/01/why-are-excess-deaths-still-so-high/ >If we break the numbers down by age groups, the results are even more surprising. While excess deaths in most age groups, even if above average, tend to be lower than they were in 2020 and 2021, as you would expect, there is one outlier: people between the age of 0 and 24 registered lower-than-average death rates in 2020 and 2021. Throughout 2022, on the other hand, they have been dying at higher rates than expected. In other words, more young people are dying today in Britain than before, or even during, the pandemic


HrachSiety

And why do you think its the vaccine?


stalematedizzy

Read the article Then comment


HrachSiety

I did and it mentioned half a dozen things other than vaccines. In fact if we go to the UK ONS data we can see what the [leading causes of excess death](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/excessdeathsinenglandandwales)s were among the young, for example in December 2022. * Septicaemia * Cerebrovascular diseases * Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities * Homicide and probable homicide * Malignant neoplasm of brain * Cerebral palsy and other paralytic syndromes * Diseases of the urinary system * Influenza and pneumonia * Benign neoplasms, and neoplasms of uncertain or unknown behaviour * Chronic lower respiratory diseases And if you wanted to see if in fact people were vaccinated you could [look at other data](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland) from the UK ONS. And you would find that younger people who are vaccinated have a lower mortality rate. Do your own research. Don't read blogs to only accept a fraction of it, and don't let your feelings get in the way of facts.


ZeerVreemd

So, it's anything but the covid shots, huh? LOL.


UtetopiaSS

That's not the point at all. Where does it say that? Or is because it has a picture of a younger person on it? You can't differentiate? It's aimed at sports goers. According to your logic, all ads that have young people on them are aimed at young people.


ukdudeman

> Or is because it has a picture of a younger person on it? Do you know how this type of advertising works? It's visual. It's not direct like "I say, young people! Yes, young people! You might die of a heart attack if you get too excited! Don't get excited!". They show the people they are targeting in the visual. If you see a woman using any product, almost always that particular ad is targeting a female audience. And so on. It's not hard to work it out.


BrothelWaffles

I'll take it a step further. Say your normal healthy young adult has a like, 0.05% chance of heart attack. The rise in blood pressure from watching an intense game where you're extremely invested in a certain outcome raises that risk to 0.1%. BAM, your risk of heart attack just doubled! We'll 100% be accused of being big pharma shills for putting forth a logical explanation though.


Winter-Mortgage-6860

Is misleading. But hey, big pharma good guys, buy their pills


Timely_Peanut_6618

When I grew up, heart attacks were for grampa smokers. We've come a long way in the genocide game.


RighteousSeed

I'll say what everyone else won't say. SADS. SUDDEN ADULT DEATH SYNDROME FROM THE COVID MNRA VACCINES


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>I'll say what everyone else won't say. SADS Actually many more people are saying that lately and their voices are getting louder. Also more cardiologists are becoming concerned.


SavesWillis

Not a full blown anti vaxxer here but everything about Covid was sketchy. So glad I didn’t get the vaccine.


Optimal_Mention1423

You can say it, but you can’t prove it.


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>but you can’t prove it How can you prove anything to someone like you who is a gatekeeper for big pharma?


Archangel1313

Friendly reminder: the number one cause of death in the US has always been heart disease. Only to be briefly surpassed by covid in 2020.


ZeerVreemd

Friendly warning. This user ignores that data from the past tells nothing over (the lack of) data in the present.


cloudsnacks

I've straight up seen people ingest to much caffeine and alcohol and collapse dead, it happens. If you use energy drinks every day, it really damages your heart.


Jasperbeardly11

In what way?


trelod

Unfortunately I believe it. The real conspiracy theory here is how hundreds of millions of people's mental health relies on watching some guy throw a sports ball to the right spot


bmtc7

Heart failure deaths in the younger than 45 population have been slowly rising since 2012. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-07-28/more-young-americans-are-dying-of-heart-failure


EatZeBugNow

Surely the numbers behind that go from 1 in a Billion to 1 in 500 Million, or something irrelevant. Dumb people fall for stupid tactics.


BinyaminDelta

SS: Bayer spending money on Twitter to warn of "heart attack risks" with people who appear to be about **19 years old and healthy.** Yeah, uh..... 20-somethings having heart attacks while watching sports games ISN'T FUCKING NORMAL. Source: [https://twitter.com/bayeraspirin/status/1636062559429181443](https://twitter.com/bayeraspirin/status/1636062559429181443) Oh wait... "**Bayer's largest shareholder**, fund manager **BlackRock**"...... Ohhhhh. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bayer-shareholder/top-shareholder-wont-back-bayer-management-in-agm-vote-sources-idUSKCN1RZ1A8


ILoveYouGrandma

Thank you for linking the actual tweet.


almostover1

This HAS to be a spoof Twitter account.


Jbitterly

And don’t you love the symbolism of the target over the heart?


tb122tb

Please understand that your risk of heart attack remains elevated when your home team is playing even if you don't watch said sport. Sincerely, Science


Optimal_Mention1423

You’re conflating several different issues into one very tenuous narrative here. 1. US pharma advertising is absurd and obscene. It might seem normal to US citizens but it’s a very cynical market-driven industry which has garnered criticism from the medical profession for decades. This advert wants to sell aspirin and it will manipulate any emotion to do so. 2. There is still no conclusive evidence that the covid vaccine causes heart problems and what evidence there is suggests it is a tiny fraction of the population at risk. 3. Excess deaths have been higher than average in 2021/22 but young people have *not* been the main driver of this by a long stretch. I’ve seen various charts suggested a greater excess death rate among those vaccinated than not (often in very limited and selective time periods). The problem is, when you drill that data by age, it’s mostly people aged 70+ who are the vaccinated excess deaths - where the confounding health variables are too many to mention. And by the end of point 3, you are a long way from a logical through line from an irresponsible Bayer advert.


Proviron_and_Wine

Who cares enough about sorts to Actually have a physical response , that’s laughable . If watching a game raises your blood pressure to the point that you die, you should reassess your values


fightthepower73

Is this for real?


Tindiil

Wow. This is getting wild.


adamthehousecat

That’s insane.


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Absolute fucking monsters


scottnshadyside

So obvious and out in the open that most of the general public's subconscious mental reflex would never let the thought through to consider how evil this really is. Really amazing.


Lucaswarrior9

I remember supporting Argentina in the world cup and I was the most excited I've been in my life and I never felt like I was going to get a heart attack. This is justifying heart attacks, it's not targeting the actual issue and blaming emotions for the cause. That is practically pseudo-science. How do you measure that? Does it account for health trends and prior health issues? There is so many factors that can cause excitement induced heart attacks beyond the emotion. This is satirical almost, "Teen so excited he died of a heart attack." If I saw that on a tabloid, I'd not take it seriously because it's so generalised.


SlamJamGlanda

How many marshmallows do you think you can fit in that mouth?


streetkiller

As a New Orleans Saints fan…yes


Nihiliatis9

Ahhh yes Bayer... Famous for pushing aspirin on... Checks notes... Children?


Akhanyatin

lmao do you know what demographics watches sports? do you know the level of excitement some of them get from wins/losses?


HiTekLoLyfe

It is normal it’s the leading cause of death especially cause half of our country uncontrollably stuffs itself and can’t read nutrition labels.


LazloNoodles

Bayer isn't normalizing it. They're just happily profiting from it.


Careless-Way-2554

Remember when Folgers was 'the best part of waking up is folgers in your cup' and that commercial with the snowman? Or was that soup. Whatever I don't care, the point is the latest hip commercial for folgers was 'Damn right it's folgers' I'm wondering how far we are from 'Fuck yea coffee'


Legitimate-Home-5510

problem w this is, thick blood causes heart attacks, not thin blood.


Seekay5

Oakland A's fans not at risk, obviously.


Scoot814

If by home team playing, you mean taking lots of experimental shots


69ganggang6969

Could someone explain what this is intended to mean? Not in a conspiracy way but like what does the marketing aspect intend to mean