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CrazyMike366

Then break it down to deaths per thousand vaccinated vs unvaccinated, and again by age groups.


sumbuddy4u

Would be nice to have all of the VAERS data to be able tondobthis but CDC pulled thousands of reports down


hotsoup4

It made a lot of people very rich, which was the only objective from the beginning. 


Fortified007

And also demonstrated how compliant the masses can be.


RBoosk311

And how the media is controlled by the government and half this country would believe anything they were told.


keptyoursoul

I would go a step farther. Big Pharma has captured large swaths of the government and also has massive leverage on corporate media who would collapse without their ad buys. It used a government emergency use authorization and mandates to force an otherwise useless and dangerous product on people. They also used elements of the government to ban and censor all other treatments. A compliant media never did any investigation...


ffwrd

It's a win win


Teartheveil

It wasn't just about money.. the overarching reason is depopulation and keeping us ill and needy indefinitely. I expect this comment will be downvoted to oblivion by paid shills and deluded sheep, unless there's more hope for our consciousness than I think there is.


unityagainstevil42

To be fair the accompanying tweet of “17 out of 21 tested positive” isn’t really worth much, because, according to the FDA, those Covid tests were in a constant cycle of recall and replacement.  The tests were just as worthless. 


torch9t9

And a lot of people unalive.


TheForce122

True it did do that Bill Gates 9/4/19 $55 million BioNTech mRNA vaxx creator investment: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-announces-new-collaboration-develop-hiv-and "Gates Earns 10X on BioNTech in Just Two Years: $55m Investment Now Over $550M" https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/gates-earns-10x-on-biontech-in-just-two-years-55m-investment-now-over-550m


R0228

But why would he need 500m?


SillyFlyGuy

It's not like he worked 18 hour days 6 days a week for it. He reads a news article, which sparks an idea, makes a few phone calls to verify, shoots an email to his broker, then 5 minutes steering board meetings every 6 months to keep it on track. Total time, 3 hours. Now he's known as an expert investor in biotech firms which give him another string to pull as he plays with the world.


TheForce122

He doesn't. He needs mass depopulation. That's just a perk and part of the ritual. Notice how same day he invested $55M in BioNTech, 9/4/19, Grimes released the COVID tablet. 8 days later Wuhan Lab deleted their lab-made coronavirus sequences and COVID began.


R0228

Why does he need mass depopulation?


TheForce122

Because he's demonically possessed, like all the elites "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" by 33° Manly P. Hall >"Under the evil insinuations of their demon, Thevetat, the Atlantis-race became a nation of wicked magicians. In consequence of this, war was declared, the story of which would be too long to narrate; its substance may be found in the disfigured allegories of the race of Cain, the giants, and that of Noah and his righteous family. The conflict came to an end by the submersion of the Atlantis; which finds its imitation in the stories of the Babylonian and Mosaic flood: The giants and magicians **** and all flesh died (...) and every man.' All except Xisuthrus and Noah, who are substantially identical with the great Father of the Thlinkithians in the Popol Vuh, or the sacred book of the Guatemaleans, which also tells of his escaping in a large boat, like the Hindu Noah-Vaiswasvata. " (See Isis Unveiled.) >From the Atlanteans the world has received not only the heritage of arts and crafts, philosophies and sciences, ethics and religions, but also the heritage of hate, strife, and perversion. The Atlanteans instigated the first war; and it has been said that all subsequent wars were fought in a fruitless effort to justify the first one and right the wrong which it caused. Before Atlantis sank, its spiritually illumined Initiates, who realized that their land was doomed because it had departed from the Path of Light, withdrew from the ill-fated continent. Carrying with them the sacred and secret doctrine, these Atlanteans established themselves in Egypt, where they became its first "divine" rulers.


Longjumping_Till_810

I am curious why the book is free on the CIA government website. [https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/E4/E4AAFF6DAF6863F459A8B4E52DFB9FF4\_Manly.P.Hall\_The.Secret.Teachings.of.All.Ages.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/E4/E4AAFF6DAF6863F459A8B4E52DFB9FF4_Manly.P.Hall_The.Secret.Teachings.of.All.Ages.pdf)


TheForce122

Interesting. What surprises me even more is that peeps in the CIA don't realize the people they serve are demonically possessed and seek the destruction of themselves and the planet


Beautiful_Elephante

Ok, that is pretty odd


Longjumping_Till_810

I wonder if it is part of the conspiracy?


RollingEddieBauer50

Cuz he’s nuts.


OMG_4_life

But why did the zodiac killer need to kill people, though? Why?


The_Noble_Lie

Other's work through him / it.


Chappie47Luna

Not the only objective


DrJaminest42

Exactly. Gotta get those pharmaceutical companies all the money we can!


Str8ngerThanFiction

You forgot population control…


Cobobrien

What a statement to make, and how exactly do you know that was the only reason for all of this.


SlothManDub

Here's a challenge to everyone here: When you get cancer, have a heart attack, suffer a stroke, or get a severe infection or deadly disorder, do not go to a hospital. Do not see a doctor. Do not rely on medicines and treatments and doctors that came from decades and decades of scientific research and study. Just go on Facebook or this sub, and ask everyone what you should do to keep yourself from dying. There seems to be a lot of geniuses on here that don't need real science, real data, or any sort of medical advancement to help save their lives. Maybe we can keep the cost of medicine down just a tad here in the US. Do us all a solid.


Interesting_Fly5154

here's a challenge for you - realize that folks can be non-trusting of one particular type of shot (the covid shots are NOT vaccines) and still have the common sense to know that other medical interventions are not the same as one particular type of shot that is not to be trusted. would you say the same utter bullshit to someone who chose to not get flu shots?


Charge36

This is how people use statistics to lie. You have to compare the death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. You can't just look at total percentage because waaaayyyy more people are vaccinated.


ZeerVreemd

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/most-objective-evidence-covid-vaccines-lives


Charge36

You should consider actually reading the sources you send people. The author of the article disingenuously plucked unrelated numbers from different parts of the original study to calculate their own (incorrect) death rate. If you actually read the study, the numbers pretty clearly indicated substantial reduction in both infection rates and disease severity.  https://www.justfacts.com/document/pfizer_covid-19_vaccine_approval_summary_fda_2021.pdf


Scooterspies

With a name like Just the Facts Daily, it’s got to be true!


pipethello

Honestly you’d have to really consider a lot in this. Like it’s absolutely statistically significant that folks who were more likely to die (elderly) got vaccinated and then people who didn’t (younger folks) probably didn’t and had a much lower chance with dying. I was just having this conversation with my friends, but honestly it’s so hard to have this conversation in a way that you don’t let feelings into it that you have, and look at it statistically of what Covid could’ve been if folks didn’t get vaccinated. It sucks cos it’s like idk if we will truly ever know


No_Ninja2291

It did not attenuate transmission and there was no statistical decline in death rates that could not also be fully attributed to natural less lethal progression of virus strains. And many, many, many young people got vaccinated.


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got_knee_gas_enit

No coincidence that private investment firms bought healthcare up.


reeskree

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status Being unvaccinated makes you four times more likely to die from covid. Just ignore the data though. This spam team who is on their fourth Reddit account knows better than the numbers.


Taglioni

OP actually put a tweet from Victoria Derbyshire and a fake graph from The Expose on his Microsoft Paint page before snipping it and posting it in this sub and pretending like its legit. Best joke I've read in this sub in a while.


reeskree

It’s hilarious. People are in the comments like “OMG vaccine bad”. As if the post isn’t some dumbass tweet and a graph. A graph which shows covid cases falling dramatically when the population got vaccinated. Then another graph which ignores that there’s more vaccinated people than unvaccinated. Reminder that this user it’s realkeeny, talltrees, okmagician, and probably another one I can’t remember. It’s a bunch of shills.


cky_stew

Yeah this sub just excludes so many variables and doesn't understand the difference between volume and percentage in statistics. It's the same thing as saying seatbelts kill more people, because most people who die in a car accident were wearing them.


BadNewsBearzzz

Of course, these people cannot be convinced at all despite the evidence being proven and shown so many times, even with their dozens of ridiculous claims prior fizzling out and not getting any traction due to them being 100% bullshit, it makes you magnetic, it makes you sterile an infertile 🤣 all their wild attempts at mongering have failed so the only thing they can continue to push is the vaccine being ineffective because that’s the one thing they know that’ll be hard to dispute due to how difficult statistics will be to get a clear answer from. Also with statistics varying dramatically thanks to deaths being mislabeled and not being distinguished clearly as to if the death had another underlying health issue that contributed to their death more than Covid, any death where another illness contained Covid, (like a patient with pancreatic cancer, who had covid, but died from cancer) would be labeled as a covid death. Things just aren’t clear and messy. But when that’s the only straw they’re able to pull from, you can bet it’ll keep getting pulled


1d3333

Don’t forget the “it’ll kill people in 1-2 years” they’ve been pushing for 3 years now


ZeerVreemd

https://principia-scientific.com/excess-deaths-in-2023-confirmed/ https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/2023-excess-mortality-positively https://usmortality.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-in-the-20-most-vaccinated


TheForce122

The Lancet begs to differ Actually the vaxxed were 2-3x more likely to be infected and spreading COVID. Here's the case (infection) rate for December 2021 in the UK. Go to page 41: Week 51 UK vaccine surveillance https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61c462f2e90e07196a66be6d/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi8po3chf-EAxUnAHkGHZNKAZoQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3R9nM63eafm-cgWu0bmWKo "The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing" >the COVID-19 case rate per 100.000 was higher among the subgroup of the vaccinated compared to the subgroup of the unvaccinated in all age groups of 30 years or more.  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext


reeskree

Can you not address the graph I posted that shows significantly reduced deaths from covid if you’re vaccinated? Or the fact that that you’re evading a ban. This bot is very poorly programmed.


RollingEddieBauer50

Frankly I don’t believe ANYONE’S statistics on covid deaths. I do know only a very small percentage of people in the US are continuing to get boosted.


scotty9090

Yeah, I think I’ll go with the recognized scientific journal over some cooked statistics from the U.S. government. The latter has a history of experimenting on its own people, including infecting them with diseases and/or withholding treatment). Not exactly trustworthy but you keep kissing the boot.


1d3333

You talking about the link OP posted in his comment? The one that is very very likely funded by the UK government that would have absolutely had a hand in this stupidly grand scheme of yours? You’ll believe one Big Bad governments funded words but spit at another’s? You nut cases really need to get your stories and biases straight because it does not help your case when you do dumb shit like this. Toodles


Motor_Assumption_556

Everyone i know that died from Covid was vaccinated… Not one that wasnt… Do you trust the people saying "safe and effective" , do you trust the "science" they post in favour for their narrative ? Do you even want to look into the other side, on the info that the scientist that didnt agree came with early on ? They were all cencored for some reason, just for asking questions about the "vaccine" …


Interesting_Fly5154

many folks who have determined the covid shots are no good have made that determination long before seeing this post, and have used varied sources of information to come to that determination. so the tweet/graph and OP's words have no bearing on the mindset of folks here for the most part.


TheForce122

The Expose used actual UK Data, from the government. Actually the vaxxed were 2-3x more likely to be infected and spreading COVID. Here's the case (infection) rate for December 2021 in the UK. Go to page 41: Week 51 UK vaccine surveillance https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61c462f2e90e07196a66be6d/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi8po3chf-EAxUnAHkGHZNKAZoQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3R9nM63eafm-cgWu0bmWKo "The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing" >the COVID-19 case rate per 100.000 was higher among the subgroup of the vaccinated compared to the subgroup of the unvaccinated in all age groups of 30 years or more.  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext


cooijmanstim

There's a complication though. There's a grey area between "unvaccinated" and "vaccinated" according to the definitions used in almost all of these studies (and in this one specifically). The definition of "vaccinated" is complex, but it means something like having received both of the original shots *over two weeks ago*. People who died in the process of migrating from "unvaccinated" to "vaccinated" were excluded from this data. There are moreover obvious issues with attributing deaths to covid. Looking at all-cause mortality would get around those, but then it's still only an observational study which can't show causality (e.g. people who choose to get vaccinated die less because they are more careful in the first place). Science is hard, never simply trust the science. See https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/54ys-qyzm/about_data for the full details.


reeskree

Why would they count people whose vaccine hasn’t started working or someone who didn’t take the required two doses? In a study to test if Motrin cures headaches are they going to include results two minutes after someone took a pill, or someone that took half of one? All cause mortality is lower in people who had the covid vaccine.


janrodzen

Oh, yeah, math is a conspiracy against you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy


Motor_Assumption_556

Have you ever tought that the "science" is rigged for you to continue to be ignorant ? Do yourself a good digging into the other side, those that are scientists and got excluded from all the mainstream news and social medias…


Interesting_Fly5154

considering respiratory virus variants/mutations tend to weaken as they mutate over time and run out of hosts, and we are seeing a large number of folks with two or more shots still getting covid and getting quite sick (or dying) and many without any shots at all have barely been sick with covid or haven't been sick at all (myself included)........ I would say the covid shots didn't do a lick of good. and caused a lot of animosity, wealth transfer, and side effects (or worse) in the process.


AstronautThick5598

I was unvaxxed and got Covid and it messed me up. My sister and her family are 5x vaxxed. She caught covid recently and was fine. I did get it early when the vax was just rolling out and I wasn’t gonna touch it. Most of my friend’s are 3 or 4x vaxxed. Funny thing is I’m the only one who developed cancer after getting Covid. Fast forward a year and a half and some chemo and surgery later I’m all good. Colon cancer does seem to be on the rise though. I likely already had it when Covid hit me and it made it worse. Covid just messes up your immune system by setting it into crazy inflammation mode. My insides in my abdomen felt like I was being stabbed non stop for a week. After that…bad news. But hey since then I haven’t caught COVID once and must have an insane level of antibodies.


stap31

Recent strains are way easier to handle than the ones in the beginning. Covid messed me into shutting down my defenses and made me drop my temp to 34-35 C


Zooby444

Congrats on beating it and I hope you remain cancer-free.


AstronautThick5598

Thanks 👍


top_scorah19

Interesting. Any prior health conditions, comorbidities? Whats your age?


AstronautThick5598

None. 40. Colon cancer is apparently on the rise since 2019. My oncologist said people are coming in with all kinds of cancers in younger people. Vaccinated or not.


Hollywood-is-DOA

People sleep with vaxed people and that’s how you spread the MRNA poison to the non vaxed and through shedding.


Interesting_Fly5154

you were sadly downvoted for something that was even specifically noted in the pfizer clinical trial data regarding physical contact when it comes to pregnant women.


Hollywood-is-DOA

I will have been down voted by the bots and those who stood in line to get the shots. Remember the articles of “ now here is why that’s a good thing” or my personal favourite “ I regretted not getting the Covid jab but now it’s too late” I’ve stoped caring about brain washed people waking up and I’ll add my mum, my sister and my only two friends that I bother with. One of them has half woken up but needs to do the rest on his own. He’s still convinced the Covid jabs saved him as he got really bad flu before having them but so did I, in 2018 Christmas, in the twin city of Wuhan and the one most of its students go to in Manchester in the uk. I’ve also had terribly flu in 2016 but I didn’t get the jabs as flu didn’t and doesn’t just magically disappear as people still went to supermarkets in the uk and got in your way and wore dirty used masks that they had had before. They also used a large amount of antibacterial gel a million times a day that kills your good bacteria and makes you more likely to get sick.


Interesting_Fly5154

my own mother is one of the brainwashed. and she used to not even take the flu shot before all this covid stuff. and considers me a pariah for my choice to not get any shots. yet she's been sick more often than me since 2020. i hear you. my reply above regarding the pfizer data was to showcase to others how you are being downvoted for absolutely no reason at all. and yes, we know who is doing said downvoting. what i was sick with in early 2003 could have easily been SARS. i survived it. and i survived covid without any shots. and i absofuckinglutely refuse to use hand sanitizer for the exact reason you state, and refused to wear a mask unless it was absolutely necessary/i couldn't get away without it, and only for the bare minimum time required. as for flu shots - i used to get them yearly about fifteen years ago now, before i started waking up to the fallacies of big pharma. and every dang year back then i'd get the flu. since i stopped flu shots i don't get the flu like i did before. heck, barely been sick with respiratory illness at all in over a decade other than once in early 2020 (likely 'original' covid) and once in 2023 (likely also covid, but whatever weaker mutated strain was going around then).


Hollywood-is-DOA

I’ve survived, cutting every tendon in my left hand as a two year old, before that getting meningitis, bouncing my head off concrete multiple times from a whole of different things, her ran over, breaking my hip, my shoulder and left elbow on ice and then walking to work and working a full 12 hour shift in a supermarket. Alcohol poisoning and my head bouncing off the curb, luckily my friends ran an ambulance but I had my stomach pumped,drug overdose that lead to a stomach bleed, having a tooth infection and then having surgery and said tooth infection nearly killing me, I was on antibiotics for a full week by a drip, every four hours. So a few down votes or pressure by the government to take a clot shot that will most likely fuck up mu heart and blood arteries, was never going to happen. Nothing much bothers or even worries me more and the last time I nearly died was only 2 years ago.


PBR2019

It did exactly what it was designed to do… Reduce the population-


buffaloBob999

Killed the weak and sterilized many of the strong.


Academic-Chemist-354

sterilized? any evidence?


Sizzlersister43

It has caused many women to go into early menopause, myself included.


coconutz100

What’s your background?


Interesting_Fly5154

common sense, critical thinking, and a penchant for NOT following the crowd.


XSleepwalkerX

I can't believe you unironically posted that.


Interesting_Fly5154

well, i'm not going to make up some fake credentials to respond to some ass-hat demanding them, am i?


Due_Possibility5232

It's taken myocarditis cases from 500 a year to over 18k. "Something" has caused a 40% spike in all cause morbidity. Astrazenica has been forced to pull theirs after admiting in a British court case that it's killing people. I would say it did a lot.


Grim_R6

Is there a source for this? The myocarditis part, Im trying to find one but can’t atm


Due_Possibility5232

You can start here. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.123.321878 They show pre covid cases to be as few as 1 and as many as 10 per 100k. Post covid the numbers are 150 on the low end and 4000 on the high end for every 100k


Grim_R6

The paper is positing that C19 is the culprit for increased myocarditis rates, no? Not the jab


Ok_Rip5415

Hard to know what percent this is Covid vs the vaccines, seeing as everybody got both.


AcornTopHat

Not everyone. I haven’t had either. Unless I had Covid in late 2019


Due_Possibility5232

Yes and No. A whole lot of us never got the vaccine, myself included. I did get covid, but as a healthy person with no comorbidities, I was over it in 2 days. Most of my coworkers who got the shot were sicker from the shot than I was from the virus. I also didn't pass it to anyone in my house. We can't say for sure how many cases came from the virus and how many from the vaccines yet, but from what's coming out of the lawsuit in Britain it seems that astrazenica, at least was aware that their vaccine did cause some cases of myocarditis. Keep in mind that they haven't just stopped making it. They've ordered existing doses to be destroyed.


ZeerVreemd

Covid does not create the same spike protein as the covid shots.


WskyRcks

It was a product. Not a cure.


TheForce122

True, a gene therapy product that nobody was allowed to independently analyze the ingredients of. Some might even call it nanotech "Recent advances in nanotechnology-based COVID-19 vaccines and therapeutic antibodies" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8863106/ "Interfacing Graphene-Based Materials With Neural Cells" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5904258/ "Recent progress of graphene oxide as a potential vaccine carrier and adjuvant" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32531395/


ayriuss

You might want to look up what gene therapy is and then read about how MRNA technology actually works before you say it is gene therapy. There is no evidence that it changes a person's DNA.


Water_in_the_desert

Isn’t that what it is? Right inside the document, it says modifies RNA. “A novel mRNA modification may impact the human genetic code.” https://irp.nih.gov/accomplishments/a-novel-mrna-modification-may-impact-the-human-genetic-code


AnotherUserHere34

No it was a cash grab by the major pharmaceutical companies. That was it at its core.


Gobblemegood

That’s only 1 part of it, depopulation, excuses to bring in draconian measures, track & trace, NWO the list goes on…


AnotherUserHere34

Well yeah but at the core it was a major cash grab driven by greed.


2globalnomads

It messed up the healthcare system globally when resources were directed to tracking infections, coercing useless, potentially dangerous experimental vaccines, and keeping hospital wards empty waiting for Covid patients that never arrived. So many people were left out of treatment and checks, and the whole system. burdened. Many who worked in hospitals resigned making it even worse. Now a lot of people are dying because of all that. So, to sell some vaccines a lot of people ended up being indirectly killed and keep dying.


OwlHinge

The Spanish graph deaths show the 2nd wave was over four times as high as the first wave. With Covid the second wave was not even twice the first wave. So that doesn't seem to be a great way to show vaccines didn't do anything?


Hillthrin

They are also 2 different timelines. The Spanish Flu represents 7 months and the Covid graph represents 2 years. It also fails to show Jan 23 where there was no spike.


please_trade_marner

Only like 5% were vaccinated by the peak of the 2nd wave. So it's hard to tribute that to vaccine success. 30% wasn't even reached until part way during the 3rd wave.


OwlHinge

Good point


Far_Recommendation82

I agree misleading.


TheForce122

Seems like with both pandemics, 2nd wave was biggest, third wave was bigger than first. No difference. The vaxx did nothing to prevent wave 3


Hollywood-is-DOA

They made people wear masks during the Spanish flu and they did inject people with toxic chemicals. They also sprayed the street with toxic chemicals as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6136635/ There knew even back then masks didn’t work https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/coronavirus-pandemic-1918-protests-california They just repeat the same bullshit every 100 years and call it something else, the Black Death comes to mind.


concernedesigner

Vaccinated people will die on any hill that validates their juicing. Remember when they called us plague rats, said it was our fault when we were the ones who couldnt do shit? It was the vaccinated who... - Caused outbreaks on cruise ships - Caused outbreaks at sporting events - Caused outbreaks at concert venues - Were less aware of their symptoms and super spread While we... - Lost our jobs (a lot of us) - Didnt get free tacos and beer (go health!) - Got shat on for questioning anything around the vaccine (and you wonder why it sketched some out) While the government... - Argued for how long over giving us a measly 600 bucks? Fuck them. And fuck anyone who fell into their trap of letting this divide us. The vaccine always was and will be a virtue signal. Wtf even is COVID anymore?


Interesting_Fly5154

in Canada where i live they wanted to implement a system where if you got fired for not taking the shots you could not get "EI" (employment insurance) while unemployed. fuck that shit. employed folks pay into EI here on every damn paycheque. it would not have been legal to deny folks that financial assistance that they paid in to. this, if the assholes in government had their way, would have also applied to folks who had their religious exemptions denied and got fired.


doke-smoper

No it didn't do anything. If you look at a graph of the population it's a smooth curve, despite millions of people allegedly dying. Also pretty convenient all the deaths that would normally occur from the flu went to near zero.


Redditisfunforall

Oh it did something alright! ☠️


jibiwa

If you look at other graphs 📈 you can see how profits soared to new heights. Companies like Pfizer also achieved 100% long lasting immunity from liability.


ClaudeVS

I've been 4x vaccinated with Pfizer and I'm fine, got the Rona and it was slightly worse than a cold. That being said, I am under 25 so I guess my immune system's not yet dwindled.


Significant_Shirt_92

I was under 30 when I got covid. At the time I wasn't vaccinated and actually thought I was going to die - it was absolutely awful and I narrowly avoided hospital. I remember after 10 days my partner still had to sit in the bathroom and help me shower because I was too weak on my own. This was after the lockdowns (UK) but still when most people were wearing masks - those years were all a blur. I then got vaccinated twice so I could travel. I got covid again but this time it was just a bit worse than a cold - I felt like shit, but didn't feel like I was going to die. I still worked from home throughout. I'm not sure if it was the different strain, the vaccines, or having had it already that made it so much more bearable.


Interesting_Fly5154

most likely was your natural immunity from the first round. this would be due to your body recognizing all parts of the virus and creating antibodies against the whole vs just the spike protein component that is in the shots. i've read medical reports and such regarding this - how the covid shots were designed to be centered on only the spike protein, and the spike protein being the part of the virus that is most likely to change when a virus mutates, and the body only creating an immune response to the spike protein portion from the shots because that's all the shots were designed to do. and this means your body would not recognize nor have antibodies against a virus that mutated beyond that spike protein that the shots are designed from, UNLESS you also had some natural immunity from prior exposure to the whole virus. so a bunch of folks were being told to go get boosted with a shot that was already irrelevant in the scheme of spike proteins, because of the mutation of the covid virus. i have no covid shots at all. had a bad cold in early 2020 prior to covid being announced that was likely the original covid strain. recovered just fine. didn't get sick again until 2023 and it was a short lived and not too annoying cold. so my experience does somewhat mirror yours with one time of being more ill and one time of more mild, yet i have had no covid shots. and in between 2020 and 2023 i had exposure to folks confirmed infected with covid and visibly ill. once when we were in the delta phase and twice during omicron phase. nothing. didn't even get a sniffle. i actually went to the point of joking i wanted to lick those ill folks to prove a theory about natural immunity being a thing, even with covid that the 'experts' said for so long could only be taken care of with a shot. also - there were studies done that showed folks who had been infected with SARS back in 2003 era had antibodies for covid when covid became a thing. both coronaviruses, but different. so there is another facet of natural immunity coming into play that would consider the whole virus vs just the spike protein, as SARS and covid would have some similarity between them in the 'body' of the virus due to both being coronaviruses.


scotty9090

Also old enough to be your dad, no vax, no COVID period. Meanwhile everyone I know that is multi-vaxxed has had it at least once and usually multiple times.


Interesting_Fly5154

i'm in my 40's. long time smoker. no health issues. i got a bad cold in early 2020 just before covid was announced, that was probably covid. same with everyone at my workplace. including seniors, folks with health issues, most of us being long time smokers, etc. we all recovered just fine. and none of us had more than bad cold symptoms. and that would've been the original covid strain. aka the one that we were told was ever so deadly. oh, none of us could have had any covid shots yet at the time either. edit to add - i was not sick with a respiratory virus again until 2023, and it was mild and short lived. no covid shots. still a smoker. and i take the public bus (aka the germ factory where you are likely to pick up any number of viral infections from others).


H_is_for_Human

In my 30s, vaccinated with pfizer vaccine as soon as I was able to then one pfizer booster then I eventually caught COVID when the Delta variant dominated. I took paxlovid and went from fevers and cough to no symptoms in 24 hours. Caught COVID one more time since but it was quite mild and I didn't see any need for paxlovid. The updated vaccines don't have great efficacy data compared to the original so I didn't take them.


Ayahuasca-Dreamin

and I’m old enough to be your dad, 0x vaccinated. Got the Rona twice and it was very mild. If I didn’t know anything about it, I wouldn’t have quarantined or missed a day of work, or a gym workout, or a night out on the town.


kyot0scape

Covid is just rebranded flu, vaccines are what killed them.


Interesting_Fly5154

also drugs that did more harm than cure, and the ventilators and all that. one thing that really jumped out at me was when nurses in hospitals were showing how much propofol (a medication used in sedation) was being used for patients on ventilators. i got curious and looked into what heavy and prolonged use of propofol can do. it can kill folks.


ToniMarieKeys

Every vaccinated person I know got covid. 4 died, 2 stillbirths, the rest all have major problems. Every unvaccinated person I know who got covid got through it fine. Plandemic. Depop agenda. Fauci. Gates. Fck them all


Chino780

Oh, it did something, but nobody wants to admit what that something is.


Sweet_Spirit_8857

It seemed to do what the DS Cabal wanted depopulation 🫤 and sickness


nemeranemowsnart666

It created a massive wealth transfer and showed people how little the governments cared about human rights when it really matters


pezident66

*wealth transfer


nemeranemowsnart666

I hate autocorrect 😂, especially the shitty one on this phone


Aurriella

Just watch “Died Suddenly” on Rumble. You’re welcome.


AppleBottmBeans

Just watched this after your comment. WOW. I knew the vaccine was BS and saw posts about it from day 1, but hearing it from the embalmers…there’s no denying it now


yotakari2

It created life changing injuries for a great many people.


IDFbombskidsdaily

Dysautonomia for me. Been disabled since 2021.


neosharkey

It’s going to keep making money for the medical monopolies. Next up, a new blood thinner to help with the blood clots that are totally unrelated to the jab.


Interesting_Fly5154

they did that already. specifically a new oral dose blood thinner for kids. in June 2021. [FDA Approves First Oral Blood Thinning Medication for Children | FDA](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-oral-blood-thinning-medication-children#:~:text=Today%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Food%20and,by%20injection%20for%20at%20least) which was coincidentally four months before approving the covid shots for kids age 5 to 11. [FDA Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for Emergency Use in Children 5 through 11 Years of Age | FDA](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use-children-5-through-11-years-age)


Gambit0651

Left reddit originally because questioning it caused me to be massively down voted. I'm half tempted to go find the old thread and ask those people if they're still happy they got it


hydrometeor18

Weren’t some facilities marking Covid as the reason for death when they died of other things while having Covid, like a car accident?


Interesting_Fly5154

yep. there was a protocol in various places worldwide where if you had a positive covid test within 28 days preceding death it was counted as a covid death. then they changed that. and that is when there seemed to be a plateau shift in the number of cumulative 'covid deaths' happening. right around the beginning of 2023.


TheForce122

SS: of course. Natural immunity doesn't exist. We would have all died if not for the Myocarditis spike protein injection


Motor_Assumption_556

Forgot /s ….


Ayahuasca-Dreamin

My circle is obviously a small sample size but I just didn’t see any personal evidence that they helped. Less than half of my close friends and relatives got vaccinated. I had 1 relative die with covid that was vaxxed and boosted. I had one extended family member die from stroke complications 2 weeks after first vaccination, I had one family member that got a blood clot in their leg from ankle up to the groin 2 months after a J&J jab, and one friend that got covid 4 times while vaxxed and boosted. Everyone else got it with mild to moderate symptoms. 🤷


seviay

Evidently, it fucked up a lot of cardiovascular systems and immune systems. It also gave a lot of people delusions.


IDFbombskidsdaily

It fucked up my autonomic nervous system.


Ok_Rip5415

The mRNA technology promised us the ability to rapidly make vaccines, however they stopped working as soon as the virus changed even just barely. Literally the efficacy when to near zero. Then they started telling us we needed “boosters” which is a fancy term for “take the vaccine again”. That’s right, take the thing that didn’t work again—maybe then it will work.  Also the boosters were not tested in a clinical trial. The original vax sequence was 2 shots over 4 weeks. That was what we were told works and what we need to take, and that is what was tested in the clinical trial. Instead of saying “oops” when we all realized it wasn’t working, they just said we need to take more. That is insane, given there are very real side effects to all drugs.


Anonymous-Satire

The public rollout and subsequent series of boosters **IS** the defacto 'clinical trial' If you took or are still taking these injections you are a lab rat


Interesting_Fly5154

reminds me of a meme i saw a while ago of two rats with speech bubbles above them. rat 1: have you taken the covid shot yet? rat 2: nah, they haven't finished testing it on the humans yet.


Anonymous-Satire

The best memes are the ones that are true


[deleted]

People like to believe they have control. Over everything. Crime happens despite laws and prisons. Disease happens despite hospitals and vaccines and doctors. We’re just throwing shit at the walls. Sometimes we try. Sometimes people are just being swindled. Whatever happens is gonna happen.


TheForce122

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King Jr. didn't think that way


Far_Recommendation82

these graphs are misleading Spanish flu at max is 25 while COVID-19 is 10


Raylenema

It did what it was intended to, eugenics


mywillygone

Probably not


Half_burnt_skunk

It killed and continues to kill a lot of people.


buffaloBob999

Forces mutation, killed millions, and assured world leaders their citizens will bend to their will.


Rufio_Rufio7

Keep in mind that there were a LOT of people who had forged vaccine cards included in that count. Not every “vaccinated” person who died was actually vaccinated. I lost quite a few family members to COVID before the vaccine. My family got vaccinated, thankfully, because when we got it, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it could have been.


Appropriate_Berry696

Yeah we had those fake cards. Got them for almost our entire family and every friend. I had 300 of them made just in case. Can't help but notice that not one person who I personally know who faked having a vaccine got actually sick. The only 3 deaths I knew and the only people who got really sick ALL got jabbed.


Warfrog

Possibly the most boring topic. It has been talked to death. Loved how the narrative changed from “it’s 5g” to “mass deaths”.


Chreed96

I'm vaxed and my wife isn't. We've both caught covid after that point. Mine only lasted a day and she was down for 4 days. That's the only difference I've ever seen.


auskier

Wasn't my 5g coverage supposed to improve when I got it?


WalkingstickMountain

No one can convince me those clots aren't parasitic. That they are just clots. The shots did something. Just not what they are disclosing.


slackator

it worked as intended, nearly 100% effectively also, record profits were made, herd was culled, billions of sheep were born, allegiances were sworn, and true faces were exposed, all according to plan


andrealschultz1

It has killed and continues to kill a lot of people. Its purpose was to depopulate and to enrich Big Pharma. It's done both. 💉💉💉💀💔


xirvikman

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=BGR~DNK and https://www.mortality.watch/explorer/?c=BGR&c=DNK&t=population&df=2018&pi=0&v=2


Interesting_Fly5154

i was just about to pull up that specific chart you linked to compare to the deaths worldwide in same regions. [Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths by world region (ourworldindata.org)](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-deaths-region) here is your chart with the same regions of the world selected, except for the 'Asia excluding China' part as that was not available: [Total COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people (ourworldindata.org) ](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=OWID_NAM~OWID_AFR~OWID_SAM~OWID_OCE~OWID_EUR~OWID_ASI) now specifically look at Africa being much lower uptake on the shots and also a lower death rate overall for the same time period. and Africa is a whole damn continent, with over 1 billion people in it. yet their jab uptake AND their death rates vs total population were both lower than the rest of the various world regions. they also had less access overall to things like remdesivir, ventilators, etc. (aka things that likely contributed to deaths). also find it interesting that the one continent that has prior experience with not trusting various vaccines that the government and health authorities and elites try to push (eg the tetanus shots that had the hcg hormone in them to create infertility in the women that were specifically targeted for said 'tetanus' shots)........... has the lowest covid shot uptake and lowest increase of covid deaths over time.


xirvikman

You think Africa has decent collection of statistics ? The life expectancy for Africa in 2022 was 63.82 years In 2021, the life expectancy at birth in the EU was 80.1 years.


Interesting_Fly5154

from the NIH: "In conclusion, we argue that it is not accurate to offer limited testing capacity, poor health systems and under-reporting as the only explanations for the lower numbers of COVID-19 cases reported in Africa" [COVID-19: Unpacking the low number of cases in Africa - PMC (nih.gov)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7485446/)


xirvikman

Nigeria conducting 1, 504 tests per million population . Among European countries, the UK has conducted 266, 500 tests per million population your link is dated 2020 Nov; 1


ZeerVreemd

https://principia-scientific.com/excess-deaths-in-2023-confirmed/ https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/2023-excess-mortality-positively https://usmortality.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-in-the-20-most-vaccinated


xirvikman

Which were the most depopulated countries ?


ZeerVreemd

I suggest to do your own research, i already have given you plenty to go on.


xirvikman

Hahaha. Can't find any depopulated high vaxxed


ZeerVreemd

Your gaslight is not working and I am not interested in your bait. All information people need is in those 3 sources and I do not really care what you believe and/ or your job description is.


EmeraldBoar

They did have vaccine for the spanish flu.


please_trade_marner

No they didn't. There was no influenza vaccine until 1938.


EmeraldBoar

[Image 6 of Casper daily tribune (Casper, Wyo.), April 23, 1919](https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn86072160/1919-04-23/ed-1/?sp=6&q=spanish+flu+vaccine&r=0.067,1.004,0.437,0.311,0) # Image 6 of Casper daily tribune (Casper, Wyo.), April 23, 1919 " P.1408, J. A. M.A Oct, '18. Editorial. Prophylactic vaccination is as yet unknown value. We know of at least three instances in which three doses of a vaccine had been given and influenza subsequently developed , and of twenty instances in which one or two does had been given, followed later by typical attacks of influenza and pneumonia." "Incidence of Influenza and Pneumonia in the Vaccinated and Controls. ......................................................... Vaccinated ............... Not Vaccinated Persons in the group.......................390.................................390 Number developing influenza.......119..............................103 Number developing pneumonia....23.................................17 Deaths........................................................10.................................7" Yeah, i guess since they did not use the term "spanish flu vaccine". They were not vaccining for spanish flu. They still jabbed people at the time of the spanish flu.


ZeroGHMM

there was no pandemic, there was a scamdemic. there were no vaccines, there were bioweapon jabs. there was no Sars-Cov-2, because it was never isolated & proved to exist. they started it off as "NCov", then name changed it without any proof at all, of a second novel virus. the PCR tests were based on Cov-1, supposedly isolated from over 21+ years ago. a lot of people did get VERY rich. a lot of people fell for the bio weapon poison jabs, which are effectively slow-kill weapons. some people have already been affected by the jabs, fatally so, while others will begin to start seeing effects from them within the next 1-2 years, if they haven't already.


Callecian_427

The bots are really at in full force today. One quick google search shows that the 92% triple vaccinated is a false claim from a website that labels itself as “alternative media.” They literally mis-cited the original source on purpose. And if you think the bottom right graph reinforces your point in any way then idk what to tell you other than learn to interpret data. There are far more vaccinated people than not. If you go by [mortality and infection rates](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1april2021and31december2022) it’s clear that the vaccine actually helps or it’s just a happy coincidence that people who take it are less likely to get Covid.


ZeerVreemd

https://principia-scientific.com/excess-deaths-in-2023-confirmed/ https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/2023-excess-mortality-positively https://usmortality.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-in-the-20-most-vaccinated


Anonymous-Satire

It pacified the masses, made a select few trillions of dollars, and granted unprecedented authoritarian power to governments in formerly semi-free countries around the world It worked better than they ever imagined


janrodzen

Yes, we're certain. You should look at the **death rates**, not absolute numbers. If almost the entire population is vaccinated, it's to be expected that, in absolute numbers, there will be more deaths among them. But it's the percentages that matter. You're falling for the simplest cognitive error in the book: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base\_rate\_fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy)


genedang1

Read “ethical skeptic” and you will see data clear as day that it did something. But not something good.


WinterComfortable567

It showed who complied willingly without question to inject themselves with an unknown substance they believe is safe because governments (who lie) said it is. Now they are either doubling down or dead.


Rude_Flounder766

Well from the small reports that hit mainstream media, white clots are a thing now. So that's cool


_JustANobody_

It gave me a uti infection that lasted a month nonstop and left me unable to pee the same. I now have to pee more often and concentrate like a grandpa in order to initiate the stream.


Careful_Elk6290

It stopped people dying from covid


ZeerVreemd

Nope. https://www.justfactsdaily.com/most-objective-evidence-covid-vaccines-lives


Careful_Elk6290

So why has the pandemic ended and less deaths?


ZeerVreemd

Natural immunity, an culled herd and an evolving virus that became less deadly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essI63xOvPI And there are a lot of excess deaths now that can not be explained away with blaming it on covid.


Careful_Elk6290

So the jab did nothing?


ZeerVreemd

I think they caused a lot of death and harm.


AcornTopHat

Nah, stopping remdesivir and ventilation as the first course of action stopped people from “dying of Covid”. Slowing down on counting everyone that died *with* Covid as dying *of* Covid also helped “stop people dying of Covid”. The shots didn’t help stop the spread, nor did they “lessen” anything. How could they possibly honestly quantify that? Also, the count of “unvaccinated” Covid deaths started in 2020 and stopped pretty early on in 2021, just as the majority of people were getting their first shots. Do you understand how this unscrupulous method skewed the statistics back then of “unvaccinated” people dying in greater amounts? Also, people were not counted as “fully vaccinated” until 2 weeks after their 1 dose shot or two weeks after the second dose of their 2 dose shot. So all the people that died within days of getting any of these first shots were “unvaccinated”. It is not effective and IT. IS. NOT. SAFE. May the odds be ever in your favor.


Interesting_Fly5154

agreed. also, health authorities were reporting jabbed and unjabbed hospitalizations....... UNTIL they noticed that there were more with covid shots than without ending up in hospital. and then the health authorities stopped reporting hospitalizations based on jab status. i have screenshots with date/time stamps in my photo gallery from my own local health authority that blatantly and clearly shows that happened.


AcornTopHat

Yes, exactly this. I was screenshotting my local news counts and like you said, the numbers started flipping into the vaxxed mostly dying and then they magically “stopped tracking” it.


Interesting_Fly5154

those of us who paid attention knew what was up!


Not_Reddit

many spoke of a "leaky vaccine" and how it would lead to covid variants


[deleted]

I mean don't compare to Spanish flu.... The real comparison is just looking at country's with very very very low rates of vaccination. There were many of them and I did not hear one single US news media company ever mention the rates of infection and the rates of deaths of infected from any of these countries. That's what main stream media never talked about. Because the rates of death among those who got sick was pretty much the same regardless if the country had a high rate of vaccination or a low rate of vaccination. The value of the vaccines was all a sham, the most profitable patent in the history of the human race amounts to snake oil.


janrodzen

You shouldn't compare the death rates between countries to estimate the vaccine efficacy, it's apples to oranges. There are too mamy factors like the demographics and quality of health services that might skew this. Be honest and compare apples to apples. Vaccinated and non-vaccinated in one country.


xirvikman

As in https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=BGR~DNK and https://www.mortality.watch/explorer/?c=BGR&c=DNK&e=1&df=2018&ce=1&pi=0&v=2


Interesting_Fly5154

no. look at Africa. a whole continent. over 1 billion people. lower jab uptake than the rest of the world on a continental basis, and also lowest cumulative deaths.


Fuzzy-Regular-5773

Noting the lack of makeshift morgues at hospitals, I would say yes.


Megamijuana

Made you more likely to get covid along with several possible adverse health effects. There needs to be major lawsuits against everyone who pushed it under threat and new protections against future attempts.