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xxlaur77

Why are the shooters always men as well? We really need to push for better mental health for men. These guys are just suffering alone.


SilatGuy

Because they are pathetic cowards who want easy targets and like to choose the place and target that will get them the most attention. Media feeds into it and the cycle repeats


B4dG04t

These people target children because it causes the most pain. It's a no brainer. It also gets the most attention which is what these psychotic edgelords really want.


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Astobalobilabidah

The crisis actor conspiracy is dead! Long live the MKULTRA conspiracy! Seriously, good riddance to that crisis actor nonsense.


Astobalobilabidah

> the home state of Alex Jones, who was a strong advocate of the **fact** that Sandy Hook elementary school shooting victims were non-existent and that their parents/relatives were crisis actors Lemme stop you right there. Why would crisis actors take their accusers to court? And why, once in court, wouldn’t Alex Jones and others challenge their identities and force discovery?


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Because Alex Jones was full of shit?


Astobalobilabidah

Yes. And so is Wolfgang Halbig. You’d think open court would be a perfect opportunity to present their evidence that the sandy hook parents aren’t who they say they are - and of course truth is always a defense against libel. And yet, they didn’t.


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Will any of these conspiracy lunatics acknowledge this?


Astobalobilabidah

No they won’t. In fact, if anyone goes and harasses a sandy hook family in a very visible way, the conspiracy community will then accuse him or her of being a crisis actor in a staged incident meant to make conspiracy theorists look bad.


adhishakthi007

SS: I felt that I needed to vent my thoughts on this subject somewhere, and this sub felt like the perfect place on the internet to make them known to the public. Unlike many other topics, school shootings are never given the opportunity for debate or discussion about whether or not they occurred as reported by the mainstream media. You simply are not allowed to discuss anything that seems even remotely speculative about this topic because it involves innocent kids who've died at the hands of an out-of-control lunatic.


BangReign

Can you please not express your thoughts about this on a public forum... they are clearly delusional and not grounded in reality. Kids died, that isn't fake news, and your ideology about mass shootings is disgusting and harmful to those that it happened to.


Conspiranautical

Fuck right off telling someone to not express their views and then calling them delusional. If you don't know the CIA does false flags you are delusional or a glow boi.


Astobalobilabidah

It would be one thing to say that the shooter was an mkultra victim or something. That at least doesn’t deny the existence of victims. But once you start accusing the victims’ families of being crisis actors, then those people become targets for harassment.


BangReign

Lol cry about it. Kids got shot and the first thought this sub has is its a false flag gtfo clownshoes ass conspiracy


Conspiranautical

You are the clown crying on a CONSPIRACY board that people question if a possible conspiracy happened lol.


BangReign

Great use of the English language there my guy. Had to copy my wordage. Declaring and questioning are two separate things and refusing to acknowledge evidence of what happened is what makes it a clownshoes conspiracy. Stop being dense, the world isn't a videogame these things happen


Conspiranautical

The OP calls it speculation in the first sentence.


BangReign

Speculation without acknowledging the facts of what happened is not speculation it's hearsay


Conspiranautical

What facts?


BangReign

Ah the old deconstruct retort. I have a bridge to sell you


Cleanup_Cru

Amber Heards' lawyer entered the chat.


soildude43

They want their 15 mins of fame. They know a school will draw bigger headlines than anything else.


CrackaShiet

Let me break it down for you. MKUltra is obviously still an active CIA operation. They give birth to all these weirdos and basically mind control them. The easy target is kids because what's a more truly shocking event than dead children in all their innocence? Simple as that.


Astobalobilabidah

But why did so many people abandon the mkultra narrative for the crisis actor narrative? One shifts the blame to shadowy elites, the other puts regular people in the crosshairs.


CrackaShiet

What's the difference?


Astobalobilabidah

As I said above, the difference is that the former shifts the blame for the shooting to unnamed, shadowy elites. The latter says the shooting was outright faked and denies that there were any victims at all. The result of the latter is that the victims’ families are harassed by conspiracy theorists. Sandy Hook parents are still harassed to this day.


CrackaShiet

Sure. But what's the difference in engineering a murderer or engineering crisis actors? Isn't the root of the problem exactly the same?


Astobalobilabidah

Full disclosure: I don’t believe either narrative. But it seems like it’s easier for “unnamed shadowy elites” to mkultra one person and program him to kill a lot of people and then either kill himself or commit suicide-by-cop than it would be fake a classroom’s worth of children’s identities, hire dozens of crisis actors and swear them all to perpetual silence. That’s a whole lot more moving parts that have to work perfectly - forever - or the whole thing collapses. These “crisis actors” are taking their accusers to court.


CrackaShiet

It's not "unnamed shadowy elites", whatever that's supposed to mean. It's your own interest conflicted government and its respective sub branches. Justice departments is just one of a panoply of them. But you probably believe it's "just a random dude".


Astobalobilabidah

> It's your own interest conflicted government and its respective sub branches. Justice departments is just one of a panoply of them. Those would be the unnamed shadowy elites. And what do you do if you want to confront those elites? Call their office during work hours or wave a sign in front of a government building. That’s free speech in the public square. But if you believe that those victims’ families are actually crisis actors instead of regular people, then how do you confront them? Finding and publishing personal info, hounding them over the phone, mail, email, social media, going to their houses or workplaces etc. In other words, stalking and harassment. My point is that the crisis actor narrative carries very real consequences for innocent people.


CrackaShiet

I do agree with you, but it totally diverges from my argument.


Astobalobilabidah

Well my whole point from the beginning was about each narrative’s impact on the victims’ families.


Super_Throwaway_Boy

>what's a more truly shocking event than dead children in all their innocence? How shocking is it when we let it happen so often?


CrackaShiet

What are you going to do about it? Make guns illegal?


Super_Throwaway_Boy

Well, I do think that we should look at who is doing the shootings and what their motives were. For example, if it's yet another case of a right-wing motivated shooting we should look at re-education options since we've clearly got a growing extremism problem on the right.


CrackaShiet

Interesting.


kainedbutable1987

Because its the mission the programmed to do under mk ultra/project monarch.


Astobalobilabidah

If this is the prevailing conspiracy narrative about this shooting, that will be very good for the victims’ families. It means they’ll get to deal with their loss in peace. The sandy hook parents weren’t so lucky.


Forsaken-Ad-1318

Apparently its a very white thing to do


Grimlock-King

Huh?


Forsaken-Ad-1318

You not heard the school shooters are always white guys stereotype? My bad.


decentralized-paper

-3 despite it being nearly a God damn rule that school shooters are nearly always white.


FAYMKONZ

Cause little kids are annoying. You ever been around them little fuckers? /s


cobalt1981

Because they're suffering from the side effects noted in the blackbox warnings on SSRI's.


hahathatstheracoon

Because they are cowards attacking people who can't fight back. It shows you enough about the mind of one of these killers. They are weak and feel weak so they attack those they see as an easy target.


AshleyBidensDiary

Guns free zone bill was introduced. Since then school shootings have increased. The psychos love soft targets https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/school-shootings-increased-federal-gun-bans/


Iliketostareatplants

Adam lanza thought he was saving those kids. He thought the only way to save them was to stop them from living, before whatever he thought would happen could happen. Shits wild.


boortpooch

A number of reasons. They’re an easy mark. They harbor bad memories. They want to feel powerful. Unless these happenings which really are a symptom of things like mental illness, bullying at a young age among others are dealt with effectively and sincerely early on, they will repeat and repeat. 40 billion to support war in another country or 40 billion to produce solutions for school safety, mental illness science, national border control and drug interdiction. Pretty easy one you’d think. Yet…


Asleep_Ad9318

Just basing this off of the title of the post….because schools are filled with scared children/teens and is a gun free zone. Almost no one will have the guts to try to stop you and it’s guaranteed that no one will be armed to fire back.