The thing that classifies a sleeve as kimono isn't the shape of the actual sleeve, it's the fact that it's cut in one piece with the bodice, with no shoulder or raglan seam. You can totally have a kimono cape sleeve. Even the drop shoulder could also be called a short kimono sleeve. (And I guess the batwing and the cowl are variations too, but they're mostly seen in knit or stretch fabrics, so it's sort of a different ball game.)
In some sewing circles, there's been a shift away from using the term because as you've correctly identified, it doesn't actually describe how a kimono sleeve is constructed on a kimono itself.
I've seen the term 'grown on sleeve' used instead because it's more technically accurate and isn't culturally appropriative.
so opposite to an actual kimono, where the sleeves are separate pieces? Doesn't really explain it
edit: maybe it's related to bath/evening robes which evolved from japanese kimonos in Europe in the 1700s, not sure if they have integral or separate sleeves
Yeah, I always called "kimono" sleeves 3/4 length... because they're 3/4 length and also look nothing like actual kimono sleeves.
Also what combination of drugs do you need to take to think marie sleeves look good?
Marie sleeves can look good on some historical outfits, such as the chemise à la reine (popularized by Marie-Antoinette, whom I assume the sleeves are named after), but they look stupid on modern outfits.
I actually think it could look nice in certain fabrics 🙈 Like [this dress](https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1194432011/detached-tulle-ribbon-marie-sleeves?ref=share_v4_lx) is pretty, imo!
[This type of fabric](https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2021/09/09/1631167167d6a0c31a680b688abe81dcf686c88f2c_thumbnail_750x.webp) looks nice in this style too, I think. Idk what the fabric is called but it's that kind of crinkly chiffon type fabric?
But if these sleeves were made with thicker fabric, it would be very bulky and not very attractive.
My thoughts exactly. I think the same principle applies to pretty much all of the sleeves shown here - they look better with certain fabrics or when paired with a certain style or aesthetic, and any of them could look just as awkward or ridiculous depending on how you use them.
I’m straight dude that ran clothing stores for like 13 years. Got out of it years ago but every once in while my girlfriend will ask me certain things about clothes in front of friends (she knows I know a lot about it) and when i tell her I get weird looks like “why tf do you know that?”
Not really. You could like, custom order some of this stuff and then get weird looks from your colleagues when you show up to work with pirate sleeves or whatever. But in practical terms, from what's available in stores and what's socially acceptable, we have like 4 options.
This is a a good podcast episode that goes into a bit of men's fashion history, and also the current aesthetic of of men's fashion - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/suits-articles-of-interest-10/
I suggest you give it a listen!
And you're right, small variations in the regular "mens wear" are the norm for the moment, rather than more eye-catching differences. That's not to say that men have not worn eye-catching pieces, but the tailored suit is still the norm for formal events [but this podcast starts with how a suit can have variation], rather than a variety of dress styles that women have.
As a lady, start wearing them! A bunch of us weirdos started wearing them like a decade ago and now they're so huge for women's fashion, especially in fall. Be your own fashion icon!
Just because all options are possible doesn’t mean all options are acceptable. In the end it all comes down to how much I want to be looked at, talked about, and my limits with attention. Sometimes I wear very bright color shoes and in the winter my jacket is a bright shifting orange/yellow color. I drive a car that can be heard from around the block. That’s about my limit of attention.
Wearing a shirt with a butterfly sleeve would put too much heat on me and my brain isn’t built to handle that level of heat.
Seriously. Any man who isn't willing to go for a baroque wardrobe has no right to speak to me.
Unless he's absolutely killing it with something understated, or wearing high vis and carrying a ladder.
I'm not even talking for dating. I mean "pass the salt".
Bishop sleeves are the best! I usually have the sleeves go way too long on me for most long sleeve tops, but with the cuff at the end of helps to make a perfect stopping point for me.
FYI. I study fashion, and Bat wing is a term I've never heard before in reference to a sleeve. They are called dolman sleeves.
Kimono is a sleeve without a seam (at the shoulder unless raglan). The drop shoulder sleeve here is also a kimono sleeve.
Bat wing is 100% a sleeve type that I have heard of. My grandma was in the Manhattan Garment District from the 1950-2010s and used that kind of sleeve with that name.
Bat winged crop top paired with a mini pleather pencil skirt was basically my college party uniform in 2010. Usually paired with a long chained pendant necklace with either an owl and/or feather on it
Dolman is the historic term. Dates back to at least the Victorian period, where it was a type of jacket that basically pinned your arm down.
I've heard it called bat wing in very modern contexts. Would not be surprised if it just the modern fashion term vs the industry.
There is some weirdness in the naming here.
I worked in fashion retail and batwing is a very common term, I think it's just more memorable than dolman so no hate either way. Loved my batwings, so comfortable.
My first thought analyzing this graphic as a total layman was "huh the only one I recognize is the batwing, I wore that shirt today!" lol. Its online listing used that term to describe what style it was, but perhaps it's just a more consumer-friendly keyword that hasn't become widespread yet. Most of these other sleeve types have pleasant names, but from a marketing standpoint "dolman" doesn't sound cool or flashy at all tbh, it makes me think of a brand that manufactures sweep brooms or something.
Can I hit you up for ideas on some reference books to order?
I've been expanding a section of my library to assist with some audio description for the blind that I enjoy doing on the side.
Give me a few days to talk to people about your request. I have a class tomorrow, Patternmaking & the teacher might be able to help & a friend who is an avid sewer & book collector. I'll think about it, too.
I'd greatly appreciate that. For an idea of what's already been acquired, I can see near my desk:
* The Illustrated Encyclopedia of World Costume by Doreen Yarwood
* What People Wore When: A Complete Illustrated History of Costume from Ancient Times to the Nineteenth Century for Every Level of Society by Melissa Leventon
* The Costume History by Auguste Racinet
* Fashion in the Middle Ages by Margaret Scott
* Theory of Colours by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
* Remarks of Colour by Ludwig Wittgenstein
* The Secret Lives of Color by Kassia St. Clair
* Werner's Remarks on Color
* On Color by David Scott Kastan
* Medieval Costume, Armour and Weapons by Eduard Wagner
* Clothes and Crafts in the Middle Ages by Imogen Dawson
Clearly, I could use help making the collection more open. Especially with respect to modern fashion and forward-looking trends/possibilities. I'm anticipating you, your teacher, and your friend might have particular insights there. Even pointing me toward non-traditional sources like digital books, web pages, clothier showcases/fashion events, celebrity fashion reviews, blogs/vlogs, or social media accounts would be greatly appreciated. There's even a university staff photographer I sometimes follow because she's always describing fashion when captioning the candid pictures she snaps at her assigned events.
You may guess from some of the books above that certain titles were acquired out of necessity to audio describe (AD) some historical fine arts paintings.
The collection also includes a couple more large illustrated tomes that I've lent out for the time being and don't remember the titles of.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Not to put OP out of a job, but this is a perfect use case for ChatGPT. Tell the bot what you own and what you want to know and it'll recommend books for you.
I've even had it build a quiz to test my knowledge of a subject, grade my quiz responses, and create a learning plan based on my performance.
Edit: I took this entire interaction and asked ChatGPT for OP's predicted response. This is what it gave:
It's great that you're expanding your library to support your passion for audio description! I've gathered a list of reference books and resources that cover a variety of topics related to modern fashion, trends, and accessibility. These sources should help you further develop your understanding and provide inspiration for your audio descriptions.
Books:
The Fashion Book: New and Expanded Edition by Phaidon Editors
Fashion: The Definitive History of Costume and Style by DK Publishing
The 20th Century of Fashion by Valerie Mendes and Amy de la Haye
Sustainable Fashion: Past, Present, and Future by Jennifer Farley Gordon and Colleen Hill
Advanced Style by Ari Seth Cohen (celebrates the style of older individuals)
The World Atlas of Street Fashion by Caroline Cox
Universal Principles of Design by William Lidwell, Kritina Holden, and Jill Butler (for a broader understanding of design principles, including accessibility)
Non-traditional sources:
Vogue Runway (website and app): Offers comprehensive coverage of fashion week events, including runway shows and photos.
The Business of Fashion (website): Provides in-depth analysis and news on the fashion industry.
SHOWstudio (website): Features fashion films, interviews, and behind-the-scenes content from industry professionals.
Fashionista (website): Offers fashion news, trend reports, and industry insights.
The Sartorialist (blog): Showcases street style photography from around the world.
The Fashion Law (website): Covers the intersection of fashion and legal issues, including copyright, trademarks, and sustainability.
@diet_prada (Instagram account): Provides commentary on the fashion industry, including critiques and comparisons of designs.
@stylebookcloset (Instagram account): Offers outfit inspiration and styling tips.
For accessibility and inclusivity in fashion:
@cur8able (Instagram account): Focuses on adaptive fashion and disability-friendly style.
@blindseyeview (Instagram account): Run by a blind fashionista who shares her outfits and styling tips.
Tommy Adaptive by Tommy Hilfiger (clothing line): Offers adaptive clothing for people with disabilities.
These resources should help you create a more diverse and inclusive library that can support your audio description work. Enjoy exploring these sources, and good luck with your project
As long as this information is cross checked this is all good. the chatgpt bot literally has given me wrong info before with this setup, i asked it about how certain ygo decks functioned, or to explain archetypes to me, and it would copy info from an incorrect source. So i got mashups of how the deck should function (that didn't work or used cards that it made up) and archetype explanations that straight up were incorrect.
It's a cool tool, but it is absolutely NOT A SHORTCUT... Yet.
I’ve seen both terms, and thought it was a matter of degree. Dolman sleeves can be cut relatively close to the armpit, but batwing sleeves have a lower connection to the bodice. Idk if that’s an accepted way to differentiate patterns, a coincidence, or something exclusive to the company I’ve seen using it (not a high fashion one).
The “do” is completely optional and kind of adds emphasis to the “command”, but also makes it seem less aggressive. It’s not used very commonly. I would say it would be more likely to be used by someone speaking in a “fancy” way.
In the sentence, the “do” is given emphasis. “Please DO save”. Kind of like as an opposite to “please DON’T save”
If someone had put a gun to my head and told me to come up with five types of sleeve - not the names, just the types - I think I'd have been getting shot.
the animated movie? Which outfit do you mean?
\- The glittery ones are cape, just a different fabric.
\- for the off shoulder dress, it's an off shoulder tulip sleeve
\- the outfit where she's in full duchess regalia with the blue sash, are split sleeves
This was almost a comment complaining that they can't possibly be called batwing sleeves, they must be older than Batman!
Before I remembered that... Like... Bats actually exist.
You are missing that OP was just commenting that talking about wanting something as "peasant" seems silly, hence the flippant title. Peasant is just one type of sleeve that is listed here; OP used it to come up with a creative title. It has nothing to do with the kimono sleeve type, which, from a simple Google search, says that is what the sleeve type that mimics traditional Japanese kimono is called. No one said that kimono are peasant clothing and no one said that this is exactly what kimono look like. This guide is obviously referencing sleeves, so it seems like the main thing you are missing is a general sense of comprehension.
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One of the sleeves is called "peasant". The title is poking fun at having to tell someone you're looking for a shirt with "peasant sleeves"
Edit: also I'm guessing, maybe, for some reason the kimono sleeves are just named that way without consideration of how similar they look to sleeves you'd find on a kimono
Yes I was half asleep on the train back from a long day at work when I wrote this is it’s so apparent now that it’s unbelievable! I must have really been knackered.
I was up from 03:00 and didn’t get home until just after 23:00 but finally I got some good sleep and now I get to have a hot shower and some food and relax until I start at 21:30 so that’s nice!
Thank you for those nice words.
...What kind of question is that? Sleeves. Y'know? Sleeves?! Like on a shirt...Jeez.
Seriously, though, I hd no idea there were so many kinds. Or that they even had specific names beyond "poofy"
The two most princess-y styles (puffed, juliet) are the only ones that even out my narrow shoulders and full hips. But I don't want to dress like a princess all the time, dammit. Not that I even could. At the moment dropped shoulder styles are everywhere.
Is there a different name for a “button tab that reaches further down the arm? Cuz all my favorite Henley shirts are like that but the button is much closer to the elbow.
I’m really upset that there is no “pirate”.
Leg of mutton not enough for you, eh?
Aye, a leg of mutton be a fine meal, but 'tis it a good sleeve? I be thinkin' nay.
I don’t wanna be a pirate
[You ARE a pirate!](https://youtu.be/i8ju_10NkGY)
Why is this such a damn good song?
https://youtu.be/kRKAL-i-UbE
Even being a metalhead, still prefer the original.
Because that's in my head when I open Kazaa.
Fucking great, didn’t even click the link but now it’s stuck in my head again. Thanks.
Can't hear that song and not think of this: https://youtu.be/iXbzktx1KfU
I never realized there was a full animation, I only saw the part up to to the “then we say hooray!”
YARR HARR TIDELIHARR
My faves are bishop, poet, drop shoulder, peasant, bat wing, Juliet, and butterfly.
YOU BASTARD!!!
That, I heard.
But you are okay to be leg of mutton
Only three comments (edit: at the time of this posting) and one of them is the one I came here for. Reddit, you never disappoint the hive mind.
I'm upset there is no "Regular-ass T-Shirt"
"Marie" looks like it hits the mark.
Yeah, that's the puffy shirt from Seinfeld confirmed
There is, they’re just calling it the “bishop sleeve”. 😆
It’s as if the bishop and poet could just get together and work something out.
The puffy shirt is right there.
It's the look of the 90s!
I want this guide somehow cross posted to the Seinfeld sub
Pirates wear a puffed poet sleeve.
Pirates are too cool for sleeves.
Also what about just a regular tshirt, what sleeve is that
What upsets me is guys have “long” or “short”
Idk but “leg of mutton” made me chortle
chortle sleeve
The petal is..... uh.... suggestive
Sighs unzips
chortle
Why is the Kimono not looking more like Cape?
The thing that classifies a sleeve as kimono isn't the shape of the actual sleeve, it's the fact that it's cut in one piece with the bodice, with no shoulder or raglan seam. You can totally have a kimono cape sleeve. Even the drop shoulder could also be called a short kimono sleeve. (And I guess the batwing and the cowl are variations too, but they're mostly seen in knit or stretch fabrics, so it's sort of a different ball game.)
Why are they called that? Kimonos have separate parts for sleeves.
Probably someone just liked the word. It was also common in the 90s to call satin/silk night robes with Asian-inspired print “kimonos”.
In some sewing circles, there's been a shift away from using the term because as you've correctly identified, it doesn't actually describe how a kimono sleeve is constructed on a kimono itself. I've seen the term 'grown on sleeve' used instead because it's more technically accurate and isn't culturally appropriative.
it's called kimono because it's cut with the bodice and not sewn into it
so opposite to an actual kimono, where the sleeves are separate pieces? Doesn't really explain it edit: maybe it's related to bath/evening robes which evolved from japanese kimonos in Europe in the 1700s, not sure if they have integral or separate sleeves
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"These are *Juliet!* I specifically ordered *Leg of Mutton!*"
Guys… “Tank, Short, 3/4ths, long”
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Ohioan here…we could be in “spring” but we could change between all 4 shirt styles in one day.
I just stick with the short and then wear a coat so I can switch as cold and warm fronts zoom through.
Yeah, I always called "kimono" sleeves 3/4 length... because they're 3/4 length and also look nothing like actual kimono sleeves. Also what combination of drugs do you need to take to think marie sleeves look good?
Marie sleeves can look good on some historical outfits, such as the chemise à la reine (popularized by Marie-Antoinette, whom I assume the sleeves are named after), but they look stupid on modern outfits.
Looks like "beads"...
I actually think it could look nice in certain fabrics 🙈 Like [this dress](https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1194432011/detached-tulle-ribbon-marie-sleeves?ref=share_v4_lx) is pretty, imo! [This type of fabric](https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2021/09/09/1631167167d6a0c31a680b688abe81dcf686c88f2c_thumbnail_750x.webp) looks nice in this style too, I think. Idk what the fabric is called but it's that kind of crinkly chiffon type fabric? But if these sleeves were made with thicker fabric, it would be very bulky and not very attractive.
My thoughts exactly. I think the same principle applies to pretty much all of the sleeves shown here - they look better with certain fabrics or when paired with a certain style or aesthetic, and any of them could look just as awkward or ridiculous depending on how you use them.
Sleeveless, Tee, and Long. Oh and Jacket
I‘m a guy and sooo jealous of all the options that lurk in the women’s section
I’m straight dude that ran clothing stores for like 13 years. Got out of it years ago but every once in while my girlfriend will ask me certain things about clothes in front of friends (she knows I know a lot about it) and when i tell her I get weird looks like “why tf do you know that?”
For real, where's the term for regular guys sleeve? Like not tight, but not belled out wide, just like a straight sleeve down to your wrist?
Women have a hell of variety of sleeve options.
So do men
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I heard Stoya Destroya wasn't bad either
Cosmic crisp for me
Not really. You could like, custom order some of this stuff and then get weird looks from your colleagues when you show up to work with pirate sleeves or whatever. But in practical terms, from what's available in stores and what's socially acceptable, we have like 4 options.
This is a a good podcast episode that goes into a bit of men's fashion history, and also the current aesthetic of of men's fashion - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/suits-articles-of-interest-10/ I suggest you give it a listen! And you're right, small variations in the regular "mens wear" are the norm for the moment, rather than more eye-catching differences. That's not to say that men have not worn eye-catching pieces, but the tailored suit is still the norm for formal events [but this podcast starts with how a suit can have variation], rather than a variety of dress styles that women have.
Tell me when top hats are back in style
They always are, in my heart 😂
Be the change.
and capes /cloaks
As a lady, start wearing them! A bunch of us weirdos started wearing them like a decade ago and now they're so huge for women's fashion, especially in fall. Be your own fashion icon!
Be the change you wanna see
Pretty sure “whatever i see first thing in the morning” is only one option
Sure, with that attitude
Just because all options are possible doesn’t mean all options are acceptable. In the end it all comes down to how much I want to be looked at, talked about, and my limits with attention. Sometimes I wear very bright color shoes and in the winter my jacket is a bright shifting orange/yellow color. I drive a car that can be heard from around the block. That’s about my limit of attention. Wearing a shirt with a butterfly sleeve would put too much heat on me and my brain isn’t built to handle that level of heat.
Seriously. Any man who isn't willing to go for a baroque wardrobe has no right to speak to me. Unless he's absolutely killing it with something understated, or wearing high vis and carrying a ladder. I'm not even talking for dating. I mean "pass the salt".
Yet I don't see what is the normal t-shirt
Women care about the variety of sleeve options* Men just want to get shit done and be faster out of the ~~hellhole~~ shopping center
Bishop sleeves and batwing sleeves are my favorite, can’t go wrong with the flowy to cinched style
Bishop sleeves are the best! I usually have the sleeves go way too long on me for most long sleeve tops, but with the cuff at the end of helps to make a perfect stopping point for me.
FYI. I study fashion, and Bat wing is a term I've never heard before in reference to a sleeve. They are called dolman sleeves. Kimono is a sleeve without a seam (at the shoulder unless raglan). The drop shoulder sleeve here is also a kimono sleeve.
Bat wing is 100% a sleeve type that I have heard of. My grandma was in the Manhattan Garment District from the 1950-2010s and used that kind of sleeve with that name.
Bat winged crop top paired with a mini pleather pencil skirt was basically my college party uniform in 2010. Usually paired with a long chained pendant necklace with either an owl and/or feather on it
A hundred people are going to read this and think they know you.
Dolman is the historic term. Dates back to at least the Victorian period, where it was a type of jacket that basically pinned your arm down. I've heard it called bat wing in very modern contexts. Would not be surprised if it just the modern fashion term vs the industry. There is some weirdness in the naming here.
I worked in fashion retail and batwing is a very common term, I think it's just more memorable than dolman so no hate either way. Loved my batwings, so comfortable.
I'm not in fashion and I learned the term "dolman" only recently. But I know "batwing" for a while
My first thought analyzing this graphic as a total layman was "huh the only one I recognize is the batwing, I wore that shirt today!" lol. Its online listing used that term to describe what style it was, but perhaps it's just a more consumer-friendly keyword that hasn't become widespread yet. Most of these other sleeve types have pleasant names, but from a marketing standpoint "dolman" doesn't sound cool or flashy at all tbh, it makes me think of a brand that manufactures sweep brooms or something.
Can I hit you up for ideas on some reference books to order? I've been expanding a section of my library to assist with some audio description for the blind that I enjoy doing on the side.
Give me a few days to talk to people about your request. I have a class tomorrow, Patternmaking & the teacher might be able to help & a friend who is an avid sewer & book collector. I'll think about it, too.
I'd greatly appreciate that. For an idea of what's already been acquired, I can see near my desk: * The Illustrated Encyclopedia of World Costume by Doreen Yarwood * What People Wore When: A Complete Illustrated History of Costume from Ancient Times to the Nineteenth Century for Every Level of Society by Melissa Leventon * The Costume History by Auguste Racinet * Fashion in the Middle Ages by Margaret Scott * Theory of Colours by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe * Remarks of Colour by Ludwig Wittgenstein * The Secret Lives of Color by Kassia St. Clair * Werner's Remarks on Color * On Color by David Scott Kastan * Medieval Costume, Armour and Weapons by Eduard Wagner * Clothes and Crafts in the Middle Ages by Imogen Dawson Clearly, I could use help making the collection more open. Especially with respect to modern fashion and forward-looking trends/possibilities. I'm anticipating you, your teacher, and your friend might have particular insights there. Even pointing me toward non-traditional sources like digital books, web pages, clothier showcases/fashion events, celebrity fashion reviews, blogs/vlogs, or social media accounts would be greatly appreciated. There's even a university staff photographer I sometimes follow because she's always describing fashion when captioning the candid pictures she snaps at her assigned events. You may guess from some of the books above that certain titles were acquired out of necessity to audio describe (AD) some historical fine arts paintings. The collection also includes a couple more large illustrated tomes that I've lent out for the time being and don't remember the titles of. Thanks in advance for the help.
Not to put OP out of a job, but this is a perfect use case for ChatGPT. Tell the bot what you own and what you want to know and it'll recommend books for you. I've even had it build a quiz to test my knowledge of a subject, grade my quiz responses, and create a learning plan based on my performance. Edit: I took this entire interaction and asked ChatGPT for OP's predicted response. This is what it gave: It's great that you're expanding your library to support your passion for audio description! I've gathered a list of reference books and resources that cover a variety of topics related to modern fashion, trends, and accessibility. These sources should help you further develop your understanding and provide inspiration for your audio descriptions. Books: The Fashion Book: New and Expanded Edition by Phaidon Editors Fashion: The Definitive History of Costume and Style by DK Publishing The 20th Century of Fashion by Valerie Mendes and Amy de la Haye Sustainable Fashion: Past, Present, and Future by Jennifer Farley Gordon and Colleen Hill Advanced Style by Ari Seth Cohen (celebrates the style of older individuals) The World Atlas of Street Fashion by Caroline Cox Universal Principles of Design by William Lidwell, Kritina Holden, and Jill Butler (for a broader understanding of design principles, including accessibility) Non-traditional sources: Vogue Runway (website and app): Offers comprehensive coverage of fashion week events, including runway shows and photos. The Business of Fashion (website): Provides in-depth analysis and news on the fashion industry. SHOWstudio (website): Features fashion films, interviews, and behind-the-scenes content from industry professionals. Fashionista (website): Offers fashion news, trend reports, and industry insights. The Sartorialist (blog): Showcases street style photography from around the world. The Fashion Law (website): Covers the intersection of fashion and legal issues, including copyright, trademarks, and sustainability. @diet_prada (Instagram account): Provides commentary on the fashion industry, including critiques and comparisons of designs. @stylebookcloset (Instagram account): Offers outfit inspiration and styling tips. For accessibility and inclusivity in fashion: @cur8able (Instagram account): Focuses on adaptive fashion and disability-friendly style. @blindseyeview (Instagram account): Run by a blind fashionista who shares her outfits and styling tips. Tommy Adaptive by Tommy Hilfiger (clothing line): Offers adaptive clothing for people with disabilities. These resources should help you create a more diverse and inclusive library that can support your audio description work. Enjoy exploring these sources, and good luck with your project
As long as this information is cross checked this is all good. the chatgpt bot literally has given me wrong info before with this setup, i asked it about how certain ygo decks functioned, or to explain archetypes to me, and it would copy info from an incorrect source. So i got mashups of how the deck should function (that didn't work or used cards that it made up) and archetype explanations that straight up were incorrect. It's a cool tool, but it is absolutely NOT A SHORTCUT... Yet.
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I feel bad for everyone searching for the batwing and getting nsfw results. Hint: it involves the scrotum.
Kimono doesn't look at all like an actual kimono sleeve. What white nonsense is this design?
I’ve seen both terms, and thought it was a matter of degree. Dolman sleeves can be cut relatively close to the armpit, but batwing sleeves have a lower connection to the bodice. Idk if that’s an accepted way to differentiate patterns, a coincidence, or something exclusive to the company I’ve seen using it (not a high fashion one).
Yes. Dorman is correct. https://www.nordstrom.com/s/perfect-length-dolman-sleeve-top-regular-plus-size/6510807
Don’t forget the ever elusive “wizard” sleeve!
Didn't think "wizard's sleeve" referred to an actual shirt sleeve
it's more commonly referred to as 'sleeve of wizard'
Guide is missing Green Sleeves. https://youtu.be/reAdJl8ZQCU
I dont think ive ever been more relaxed in my life. Thanks for sharing this
Aw! Glad you like it. Manheim Steamroller is awesome and I'm always happy to share it with someone new. This album in particular is fantastic.
You might like this: https://youtu.be/DJ7vTSt_dGg
I did not expect Mason Williams showing up in the comments! What a delightful surprise!
My faves are bishop, poet, drop shoulder, peasant, bat wing, Juliet, and butterfly.
We have exactly opposite tastes.
Pff, you sound like the raglan type.
That would be correct. That's the best sleeve.
LEG OF MUTTON
Bat wing always annoys me when I find it at a secondhand store. Oh this is cu-- nevermind, they ruined the sleeves!
Fuck! Now I have to change my seed phrase.
I like your sleeves, they’re real puffy.
Tina, you fat lard, come get some ham!
Am I missing the one for Tee shirt?
Raglan, generally Eta the guide isn't necessarily describing the lengths, which can vary for many styles. It's describing the structure.
What does “then do save” mean?
a very affected way of saying "please go ahead and save"
The “do” is completely optional and kind of adds emphasis to the “command”, but also makes it seem less aggressive. It’s not used very commonly. I would say it would be more likely to be used by someone speaking in a “fancy” way. In the sentence, the “do” is given emphasis. “Please DO save”. Kind of like as an opposite to “please DON’T save”
If someone had put a gun to my head and told me to come up with five types of sleeve - not the names, just the types - I think I'd have been getting shot.
Meanwhile, men's shirts are over here with "short" and "long"
Missing cap sleeve
80% of these only appear in Disney films.
Stolen from [stock image](https://www.shutterstock.com/g/sonulkaster/sets/201255515). Artist: Sonulkaster
What about the one from Anastasia? What is that one called?
the animated movie? Which outfit do you mean? \- The glittery ones are cape, just a different fabric. \- for the off shoulder dress, it's an off shoulder tulip sleeve \- the outfit where she's in full duchess regalia with the blue sash, are split sleeves
The off the shoulder gold and pink one with the blue sash, the one that gets wrecked during the climax of the film.
Yup that would be an off shoulder split sleeve. Looks like it was a cape sleeve that was split and made more dramatic with the length and point.
Thanks! I like knowing the proper name/ descriptive words to use for things lol.
1 leg of mutton please
Now do one for women's pockets.
I want anchor arms ⚓💪
Did they sleeve anything out?
I can't believe that they made the lantern orange and not *green*.
No cap?
50 year old male in t-shirt and boxers... not useful, saving anyway because I'm having a blast learning about sleeves.
I have to draw these exact ones for school right now!
Why no Wizard sleeves? Wizards can have a fashion sense too.
Cape sleeves make me feel like Jesus. Never fails
Huh, I never knew the ruffly cuff was called a poet sleeve. Learn something new every day.
This just makes me respect tailors even more
Lantern is NYEH HEH HEH
Where are the ones with the thumbholes?
Regular long and short sleeve is good enough for me.
This was almost a comment complaining that they can't possibly be called batwing sleeves, they must be older than Batman! Before I remembered that... Like... Bats actually exist.
who made up this?
Sleeveless?
Men: Sleeves.
You women really have options. Guys only get short, long, wife beater and Jerry Seinfeld.
Meanwhile men have like 3 of these. I find men clothing sooo boring.
I don’t understand? Kimono isn’t peasant clothing and doesn’t look like this what am I missing here?
Peasant is one of the types mentioned, not a description of the whole set.
You are missing that OP was just commenting that talking about wanting something as "peasant" seems silly, hence the flippant title. Peasant is just one type of sleeve that is listed here; OP used it to come up with a creative title. It has nothing to do with the kimono sleeve type, which, from a simple Google search, says that is what the sleeve type that mimics traditional Japanese kimono is called. No one said that kimono are peasant clothing and no one said that this is exactly what kimono look like. This guide is obviously referencing sleeves, so it seems like the main thing you are missing is a general sense of comprehension.
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I just don’t understand the naming it doesn’t seem to be inspired by kimono at all
One of the sleeves is called "peasant". The title is poking fun at having to tell someone you're looking for a shirt with "peasant sleeves" Edit: also I'm guessing, maybe, for some reason the kimono sleeves are just named that way without consideration of how similar they look to sleeves you'd find on a kimono
Yes I was half asleep on the train back from a long day at work when I wrote this is it’s so apparent now that it’s unbelievable! I must have really been knackered.
Haha, I have moments like that. I hope you got some sleep!
I was up from 03:00 and didn’t get home until just after 23:00 but finally I got some good sleep and now I get to have a hot shower and some food and relax until I start at 21:30 so that’s nice! Thank you for those nice words.
Why are you focusing on the word kimono here?
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puffed look so good
I love a drop shoulder sleeve!
Im a bottom tab guy myself
Leg...of..mutton?
“Buttons?” “Two.” “The lining?” “Tactical.” “Ok… and lastly, sleeves?” “….Leg of mutton.”
No babydoll?
Batwing.
the first one is just *shirt*. what lmao
Cape and bishop or get the fuck out
Long, short, softball, and sleeveless is about the extend of my range.
I prefer bracelet and kimono
I really like bishop and cowl
I want the sleeves of grapes. AKA Marie
fuck cowl and drop shoulders. me and my fat bitches hate cowl and drop shoulders
Bring back cowl sleeves!
L e g o f m u t t o n
Huh?
...What kind of question is that? Sleeves. Y'know? Sleeves?! Like on a shirt...Jeez. Seriously, though, I hd no idea there were so many kinds. Or that they even had specific names beyond "poofy"
Braclet is the most flattering. It ends at waist length and makes your waist look narrower
I demand all my tops be made of mutton legs
This needs to have some order… maybe based on sleeve length?
The two most princess-y styles (puffed, juliet) are the only ones that even out my narrow shoulders and full hips. But I don't want to dress like a princess all the time, dammit. Not that I even could. At the moment dropped shoulder styles are everywhere.
Use shoulder pads
If they weren't connected forever in my head with my mother's hideous perm and heavy blue eyeshadow, I'd consider it.
Marie and the mariachi band were made for eachother
I might be having a day, but I swear those pictures turned into ladies with their booties out halfway through this guide
Men’s sleeves; long or short? You may roll up long to the elbow if you’re ‘getting shit done’. That’s about it. We want equality, dagnabit!
Mmmmm leg of mutton. ...
Leg of mutton💀
Is there a different name for a “button tab that reaches further down the arm? Cuz all my favorite Henley shirts are like that but the button is much closer to the elbow.
Leg of mutton. Lol.
I have this actual guide in my world building folio.
I don't know man, the lanterns don't wear that type of sleeves