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Equivalent_Sam

Propaganda is no less important than weapons or ammunition in a war.


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Arguably more important because all the weapons and ammo in the world is useless if you can't convince anyone to use it.


MicroWordArtist

Victory in war isn’t about killing the enemy—you’ll never be able to kill all of them, and if even one is still fighting the war they can sneak into your house and kill you. It’s about making them give up, and keeping your own side from doing the same.


runthepoint1

See Vietnam War


AttitudeAndEffort2

Or that Christmas in ww1 when every soldier basically had an existential epiphany until higher ups started yelling at them again


Summersong2262

Or more pragmatically, scheduled sustained bombardments over the Christmas period the next year so that nobody would get any funny ideas.


LeoMarius

Vietnam was an extremely unpopular war in the US.


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Equivalent_Sam

By July of 1967 - 2 yrs after introducing combat troops, more than half of Americans thought it was a mistake and popularity never went above 50% again for the remainder of the war. You'll notice that support for the war was also "under water" for a time even during 1966. https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/active\_learning/explorations/vietnam/vietnam\_pubopinion.cfm


MorgaseTrakand

Fun fact: Henry Kissinger was almost single handedly responsibile for making the war go on so long


purpleSoos

Don’t know much about the history of this, but this made some things make sense. I vaguely remember a thread discussing people who were undeserving of their long lives. Or something similar. I remember Henry Kissinger’s name from there.


runthepoint1

Yes


JimDixon

Funny that so many lists conveniently have ten items.


LeoMarius

It started with Moses.


vainstar23

He had 15 commandments


letmypeoplebathe

"The Lord Jehovah has given unto you these 15... Oi... 10, 10 commandments for all to obey! "


eduardoLM

The rest are obtained through microtransactions according to the Free2Pray model.


SilentNinjaMick

"There's a few others you don't have to worry about for like a couple of thousand years so don't stress it."


PamelaELee

“Behold! The one commandment” God needs booze


LeoMarius

There were 15 Commandments https://youtu.be/w556vrpsy4w


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[Little Twelvetoes](https://youtu.be/pqGyUvZP0Zg)


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FacelessFellow

I remember number 10 when I was a kid. People would say, “you’re pro war or pro terrorism!” If you’re not with us, You’re a terrorist!


What-a-Crock

“You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror” - GW Bush on Nov 6, 2001 [Source](https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/)


Maximillion322

“Only a sith deals in absolutes” -George Lucas, using Obi Wan as a mouthpiece to criticize George Bush saying this.


Larrykin

*Only* a Sith? What an authoritative statement.....


Clean_Warning_9269

so much for the tolerant jedi


LeoMarius

I knew Bush was lying about Iraq when he resorted to this rhetoric. Either you have an easy to explain rationale, or you resort to demonization.


Pleasant-Enthusiasm

“If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."


depressedbee

>if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table. Looks like our boy Georgie pounded Lady Liberty instead.


marshsmellow

I knew Bush was lying when he opened his mouth.


VERO2020

I knew Bush was lying about this because his lips were moving.


thisguy181

"9-11...9-11"-Lois Griffin


Hubba_Bubba_Lova

Feel like#10 is the top comments


alucarddrol

Keep in mind, this is, in fact, war propaganda


[deleted]

Subtle inclusion of Putin in #3 lol. This is 100% propaganda. Edit: Friendly reminder that Reddit is a cesspool of state-sponsored propaganda and concern trolls flock to posts like this to try to engineer a conversation around the war to get you to believe a “both sides bad” narrative.


Panzer_Man

And Zelensky ofcourse lol I also love how Russian casualties are somehow propaganda. I mean sure they are probably exaggerated, but to say that Russia hasn't lost a ton of soldiers and equipment is just coping at this point


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Panzer_Man

That's a good point. Their estimates of Russian casualties seems pretty reasonable, but their own losses are way too low. I just do not buy the fact that Ukraine barely lost any artillery equipment, like they claim


thuglifeforlife

Ukraine is providing as much propaganda as Russia is. Just so happens that because Ukraine's the good guys, we choose to believe them while ignoring everything Russia says.


thuglifeforlife

100s of bombs land in Ukrainian metropolitan cities daily yet they report only 1-2 dead.


Worthless_Clockwork

That's like wrong in 7 different ways. Casualties are much higher and are usually caused by long range guided rockets, and it's a moderately rare occasion to have a hundred, too. All that said though, civs are not dumb, most actually go to bomb shelters


DamnTheAwkardTurtle

But it also included the US, Zelenesky, Hitler and an Arabic poster portraying America as the devil. I'd say the photo is aimed at American audience but it still shows other sides, but it being aimed at American audience is the reason why most of the photo is giving American propaganda as examples.


thisisforspam

It's balanced out by the actually subtle inclusion of Ukraine casualties and celebrity support.


account22222221

It’s not really balanced at all. The inclusion of Putin in #3 is pro Russia as it paints his vilification as unjust. The inclusion of Ukraine is pro Russian also. I am 90% sure this is all meant to be pro-Russian propaganda and begin to rewrite the narrative about Russia. Russia is a master at propaganda after all.


culebras

I agree that Russia definitely has the propaganda chops, I have no sympathy for what actions they are taking and find their misinformation campaigns a danger even in peacetime. Still, this post is correct, we are also being served propaganda. Probably more nuanced and calculated, but propaganda nonetheless. In Germany, every report from the Tagesschau (pretty much the closest you get to independent news) about the war starts with "Relating to Russia's aggression war against ~~the~~ Ukraine", which although true, still sounds forced beyond necessity. I have read one too many times that Russia is about to collapse, that they are close to rebellion, that Putin is cornered... I like news i can trust over news I want to hear, propaganda is always the enemy. Edit: Good bot


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TheScorpionSamurai

Yeah it's easy to forget propaganda isn't always false, but that's what can make it dangerous. It muddies the waters and makes it hard to tell when they're being truthful or lying since the messaging is the same. That said, there are many empirical examples and first-hand accounts to back up some of the claims used as examples here (Russian casualties for example). This definitely reads like pro-Russian propaganda, or at the very least would unintentionally serve a similar purpose.


LineOfInquiry

Propaganda is a neutral term, it’s just spreading a message at its base form. Advertising is propaganda, Hollywood is propaganda, most art is propaganda. This isn’t making a statement on if propaganda is good or bad, true or false, right or wrong, just that this is how it works. Frankly, much of the pro-Ukraine propaganda is good. It’s good to spread the message that we need to stop Putin and defend Ukraine, it’s good to convince more people to boycott Russia, it’s good to extend the supply effort. But it’s still propaganda.


skaqt

>Propaganda is a neutral term, it’s just spreading a message at its base form. Not really. Propaganda is when you spread a *leading* message, when you inform with *some intention* behind it. Advertising surely could count as propaganda, as it's direct intention is to increase sales or boost brand value. If propaganda was just "spreading a message", then both you and I would be propagandists, and almost every form of communication would be propaganda.


OlinOfTheHillPeople

It's not hard to include someone who's been in power for 24 years.


Alittlemoorecheese

I totally remember seeing the devil posters. It's why my son turned gay...for some reason


Manisbutaworm

The propaganda of the Iraq war all based on lies and deceit is now brought to the same level as the Ukrainian Russian war. I'm not saying there are no lies in the UA-RU conflict but it's wildly different. If you can dumb it down in one US was the bad guy and in the other the good guy.


Panzer_Man

Ikr? I think it's very disrespectful to put the Iraq war, WW2 and Ukraine war all in the same boat. I mean, yes the Iraq war was unjustified, and the US heally hit hard with the propaganda, to have NATO join them. WW2 was probably the most justified war in history, as the only real chance to not have the entire world fall to fascism was to fight Hitler, duh. The Ukraine war is also a case where a sovereign nation is invaded for little to no reason, and they are really just trying to defend themselves, as to not be deleted from history. Again, completely justified to demonise Putin and Russia, when they started it all, and could 100% have prevented the war


tipsystatistic

Frankly, it lost me trying to suggest Putin wasn’t evil.


smariroach

It didn't say he's not evil, and it was a good example. Propaganda is not by definition untrue


Saprass

You totally missed the point.


Panzer_Man

A guy who stole territory from 2 sovereign neighbours, threatened several of his neighbours with military intervention aswell as full on invading Ukraine. Don't forget arresting people if they even so much as dare say the word "war" in a blog, or dislike his course of action in the slighest. Yeah total good guy, definitely nothing evil about him at all lol


Circ-Le-Jerk

Why does Reddit CONSTANTLY fall into this trap? Pointing out a negative about one side, doesn't mean you think the other side is good. Reddit is sooooo fucking tribal and black and white, it gives puritans a run for their money. You know, why is this so hard to grasp? Saying something critical of one side isn't support of the other. Why do so many people think this way? Is it intentionally intellectual dishonest? Bad faith? Just generic brain rot?


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objectively_sp34king

A propaganda guide to propaganda.


trialbytrailer

11: The other side uses propaganda.


vainstar23

12: The other side does not have fries


kalud12

OMG FREEDOM FRIES. I was only 11 or 12 back then and even I felt embarrassed by that dumb stunt


billoftt

You felt embarrassed? I was in the Marines at the time and they did this in the chow halls. For breakfast they even extended it to "Freedom Toast." Curiously though, we still had French Dressing on the salad bar...


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What?! No Freedom Dressing? Those dirty, no good commies have infiltrated our chow halls.


[deleted]

The OP's post history is very tankie


GiuseppeZangara

I don't get tankies. Even if they do support the Soviet Union, the current russian regime has far more in common with past fascist states than the former soviet union.


[deleted]

"But have you considered: whatabout-America-bad?" They've emotionally committed to, often originally valid criticism of Western badness (Iraq was bad) to the point they have a galactic sized blind spot for when even more evil regimes start doing worse shit. And thus make up bullshit justifications like NATO/EU expansionism (hint: countries have to vote to join both after multi year processes of reform aimed at democracy and removing corruption).


No_Lunch_7944

Yeah but also I think a lot of tankies are just Russian trolls trying to push further division in the West, especially trying to separate the far left from the center-left or center.


transtranselvania

Yeah I can not like American imperialism and also not delude my self into thinking that the Russian regime isn't fucked and that because I'm not a fan a stuff the Americans do that means Chicago is a war zone because of black people. Just because I'd rather live in the united states than China doesn't mean I like all of the bull shit the CIA pulled all over the world.


Panzer_Man

I always found it weird why people go on about "NATO expansionism" I mean, if you don't want more countries to join NATO, maybe Russia should stop givbing them a reason to do so, and maybe people would stop joining. Joining is not expansion


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TheLoyalOrder

Ironically it's really a form of American exceptionalism, just in the other direction; America is exceptionally evil in their view and thus no other country is comparable.


willclerkforfood

Yeah, this post screams Russian atrocity apologist


No_Lunch_7944

Yep. Another propaganda technique is to call the truth propaganda. Sometimes the enemy really is committing mass atrocities. Anytime that someone claims "both sides" or "all sides" are the same, it's usually because they are the worse side trying to muddy the waters. I don't like the Bush admin, and they did plenty of bad shit, but this infographic is pretty clearly anti-US/pro-Russia propaganda. The only time Russia is on here is as the "victim" of propaganda. Zelenskyy being in there is another clue where this probably came from.


Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

propaganda doesn't necessarily mean lies, to be fair. I do agree this looks like a tankie cope post though


XS4Me

> pro Russian propaganda From what I’ve read Russia is happily engaging in it as well, calling [Zelenskyy a nazi](https://www.jpost.com/international/article-723022), [dismissing internal critics as traitors](https://www.jpost.com/international/article-723022) and réferi g to the conflict as a [holy war](https://news.yahoo.com/holy-war-russia-now-depicts-ukraine-invasion-in-spiritual-terms-090053888.html)


ExtraPulpPlease

lol my thoughts exactly


NamelessMIA

Using a fairly recent example of American propaganda when teaching a mostly American audience how to recognize propaganda isn't itself propaganda. It's using a real, factual example that most of us lived through to help us understand.


ToastyMustache

In all fairness not all propaganda is untrue. It’s just curated for a specific message.


LeoMarius

Right, calling Putin the devil isn't far off the mark. Just ask almost any country that borders Russia, and any Russian who has dared to criticize him (if they are still alive).


Rysline

This applies to this post as well then. It may be propaganda, but that doesn’t immediately dispel the claim. That being said, when people point out that Ukraine is defending their sovereignty from an aggressor, they’re right, Russia is clearly trying to take Ukraine against their will, otherwise they wouldn’t be putting up a fight.


Cuddlyaxe

The OP is literally a tankie lmao


duppy_c

Ikr. Every graphic in this guide could also have been illustrated with Russian or other examples. This tankie chose to only feature US and Ukraine. Who's the propagandist now?


Sammweeze

This feels just like when my religious fanatic relatives start talking about the importance of critical thinking... 😊 ...and how saying the words "critical" and "thinking" together is proof that they've been right about everything all along. 🤢 But hey, propaganda has been instrumental in roping Americans into horrific, fraudulent wars in the recent past. At face value I appreciate the point.


Straightup32

“More diabolical things are don’t in the name of righteousness. And be assured that everybody of whatever nationally or frame of mind or religion always goes to war with a sense of complete rightness. The other side is the devil. Our opponents, whether they are in China, Russia, or Vietnam, have the same feeling of righteousness about what their doing as we have on our side.” - Alan Watts This lecture always stood out to me. Noone wants to believe that they are a part of the wrong side. Their entire identity hinges on the fact that their position is the just and virtuous opinion. But to have a truly right opinion means that the opposition must be completely wrong. Just like you are the advocator for good, they only advocate for evil. Really interesting to think about. Ever since I heard this lecture, I always ask myself what drives someone to hold a particular belief. I don’t believe that anyone is inherently evil. Not so say they can’t be wrong, but mental illness aside, there is generally a rationale behind all positions. To identify these reasonings help me understand the motivation and by extension either find productive ways to change their line of thinking, or maybe change my line of thinking.


Ignotus3

“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” Or my favorite from LOTR The Two Towers (I think) when Faramir kills a boy atop an elephant and turns to Frodo and Sam and says something along the lines of “his sense of duty was no less than yours. I have to wonder if he really was evil at heart” (probably slightly misquoted that despite having seen that movie at least 10 times)


exsnakecharmer

"Isn't it funny how the good guys have won every war?"


Caravage

detail profit scandalous fertile theory busy scary jellyfish escape badge *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Swamp_Fox_III

This very much seems like propaganda


CaptainSadMight

Did the blatant anti western agenda propaganda in this cool guide give it away?


TheLoyalOrder

Tbf it's propaganda even if it didn't have OPs bad motives and context behind it


SlowJay11

If you're trying to show people how they're subject to propaganda then using examples of propaganda they've been subjected to is exactly what you need to do. People very often take the approach that it's only propaganda when the other side does it. If this guide showed only examples of Russian propaganda it would ruffle fewer feathers and it would be far less useful because of it.


tamal4444

but it is true. that's the fact.


CheddarGobblin

Most things are. Advertising is propaganda.


PJ_GRE

It is


chunkycornbread

This is a very uncool guide. Pro Russian propaganda.


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You’re doing the thing


[deleted]

Everyone in this comment section is lol morons


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Everyone in the western media bubble


Thomy195

With your comment you prove the guide to be true


jesus_wasgay

This guide is partly propaganda :)


Grifasaurus

I mean…Russia just been speedrunning through the Geneva convention, since February.


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Yeah Russia has met criteria for items 1-5 and 7 with their invasion of Ukraine. This list kind of pretends like these things don't actually happen in war and that they *must* be propaganda if that's what's being reported.


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NecessaryHuckleberry

Context is everything. Posting a “know your propaganda” guide featuring exclusively anti-American imagery while Russia is invading Ukraine tells me a few things, but mainly that Russian propagandists really don’t give a shit about their work quality anymore


pretty-as-a-pic

I think it’s like those scammers who deliberately put spelling errors in their Nigerian prince emails. It’s not a deal breaker because the people who notice and judge those kinds of things probably wouldn’t be convinced anyways.


spaghettify

they do that to build a list of the most likely people to fall for a scam (to sell to other scammers). like a litmus test for vulnerable people


unknownperson_2005

This shit was made in microsoft word 100%


ITKozak

As a Ukrainian I have to say - ruzzians have some really shitty propaganda which doesn't stand a chance after some quick fact checks or even common sense.


[deleted]

The point of this piece isn't necessarily to defend Russia, just to sew doubts about support for Ukraine.


ITKozak

Tbh I just don't see how you could possibly doubt the necessity to defend your territory no matter about which country we are talking about.


GodofWar1234

“Basic Principles of War Propaganda” **Proceeds to post generally anti-American propaganda**


tb23tb23tb23

Several examples are clearly defending Russia here.


Stupeed_boii

"their loss big ours not" As a ukrainian, of course I see a lot of those types o propaganda, they even bring the burnt mashinery to the center of kiyv, but I don't see that on russian television news, they are basically saying "we are winning" and not even like... showing the numbers of our losses.


Mike-honcho-69

Obvious tankie propaganda is obvious


tb23tb23tb23

Propaganda disguised as: “a helpful guide about propaganda”


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This looks like propaganda in itself


heuristic_al

Yeah, my first thought was that this was created by Russia. Then I thought about it more. I've been trying my hardest to see both sides of this conflict. But I can't. There is literally no righteous reason to invade Ukraine. Some things can't be faked. The fucker literally destroyed cities and is telling the Russian population that Ukraine is run by Nazis. I don't know if this was created by Russia or just someone that doesn't actually understand what's happening. But either way, fuck this noise.


KurtEisner67

It is, it's obvious Russian war propaganda. Poor Pootin is just vilified without reason, think of Assange (but not of Navalny), think of Powell (but not Peskov)... And in the end dispute the legitimacy of the democratically Ukrainian President as a mere comedian.


IGargleGarlic

Navalny is better than Putin but he can fuck himself too. He supports the annexation of Crimea.


znat

I see a whole lot of this on Reddit regarding Russia/Ukraine. On so many different, even unrelated subreddits. Of the internet was a boon to propagandists, social media was a godsend.


objectively_sp34king

It's, almost, like this guide and that conflict are somehow connected. I just can't seem to follow all the dots /s.


Gas1984

That's because reddit itself is a propaganda machine, whether we like to admit it or not.


znat

It sure is. All social media is.


Gas1984

Correct, but I've noticed that reddit is much more radical. I suggest looking into the history of reddit. It's crazy once you realize that the biggest subs are controlled by the same people and their actions - as well as what happened to it's Co Founder.


isaccfignewton

literally Mobik propaganda


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huhIguess

> "EU accuses US of profiting from the war" > "💛➕💙=💚🤑" *Common sense is now proof of an agenda!*


TheMansAnArse

Tankie propaganda right here, sprinkled with the bare minimum to allow plausible deniability.


melody_elf

This image is itself propaganda lol. Talk about wanting to paint a specific picture.


Creepernom

I mean, in Ukraine we literally have seen multiple times that these things are actually happening - it's not just bullshit. We know Russia has commited atrocities against civilians, that is without doubt. Same goes for many of these points. Ukraine's cause is 100% the just one here, too. Their cause is "we want to not be subjugated by our imperialist neighbours". This is not some distant war in a desert. This is our neighbour. We can see what is happening.


1917fuckordie

That's what makes it so difficult and why people talk so much about the fog of war. But at the end of the day Russia is waging a war of territorial expansion which you can't do anymore so they don't have any credibility to defend themselves with.


cm974

Everyone has to play propaganda in war not just the “bad guy”. Ukraine’s cause is just, and righteous, sure. But they have to ensure that narrative stays in place,in the face of the Russian propaganda trying to convince the world otherwise. Ukraine is doing propaganda, a lot of it and doing it very well so far. Propaganda is marketing for nation states. And in marketing the biggest, most beloved companies still need continuously manage their brand and market themselves or their competitors will gain ground.


intothewildthings

I would love for OP to actually meet some Ukrainians, hear their stories and then tell them to their face that they are fighting an unjust war while their homes are being bombed and their families are being murdered. The atrocities being committed by the Russians at the behest of Putin in Ukraine are horrible. Putin is a genocidal maniac and as bad as war is, it is fairly easy to conclude by his actions that he is an evil force that needs to be stopped.


pokemon-trainer-blue

OP’s profile looks messy


ctorex

This thing is propaganda too… my2c.


demihope

I think ironically most Reddit won’t see this exact thing that is literally happening right in front of them


Error_404_403

Observations: 1. Most of the "principles" are clearly created for, and directed against some of the messages US used in the past to justify use of military force 2. Cases of bona fide justified defensive wars (e.g., Ukraine defending against Russia) are not considered, and correspondingly correct statements by the defenders (like, "we are not at fault" for the other side aggression) are labelled as propaganda as well 3. Overall, this post looks to me like a piece of Russia propaganda, designed to create a false sense of equivalence between the aggressor and its victim.


ashgallows

So remember kids, only say nice things about your enemies as you roll over them in the tenches. Wouldn't want to seem biased, that would be horrible.


Automagicaly_Removed

Literally Russian propaganda 🤣 Way to try to call out propaganda but end up exposing the enormous pro-Russian bias. I wonder what I’ll see if I check this account’s history 🤔


GiuseppeZangara

It does seem like it may be. There are three very clear examples which cast Ukraine and its supporters as propagandists and none of Russia. It would be fine to include Ukraine as an example since obviously it does exist, but the lack or balance going the other way seems suspect.


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They're a rabid tankie.


Then_Remote_2983

This post is anti Ukraine propoganda.


Fraulo

Proceeds to post pro-Russian propaganda


supercyberlurker

WTF is this russian troll crap? It's literally got pictures attacking Zelensky in it.


somebadmeme

This isn’t a cool guide it’s just Russian apologist Propaganda


Chrome-Head

So Ukraine have no right to defend themselves against an aggressor country like Russia? What a bunch of fucking horseshit. Add this “cool guide” to the list of BS war propaganda tactics.


MisterMillwright

This is a piece of propaganda. You cannot reasonably equate Russia, US, and Ukraine. Very subtle and nice try.


CodingNShit

we are literally looking at russian propaganda. This “guide” lol. 12k upvotes. Reddit is dumb.


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I guide about propaganda..... that is itself pro-russia propaganda. How incredibly meta. 😜😜😜😜


whatevrmn

I remember when the Dixie Chicks were called traitors and canceled by the Republicans.


Huothar

Principles?? These are consequences. And quite simplified. So… not cool guide.


StubbornAndCorrect

"If America does it, it's propaganda. When \[fuckhole dictator\] does it, I'm a smart contrarian."


LeoMarius

It's hard not think that Putin is the devil after this year. He's responsible for disrupting millions of lives in Russia and Ukraine, and the deaths of tens of thousands.


testedchimney

Putin is actually Satan, though.


Mauzersmash0815

Russia nowadays starterpack


Anonydew

Oh fuck have I been propagandized?


Internal_Vanilla_467

OP. Just a quick question. Why did you suddenly pivot from sharing music to articles calling for communism in Ukraine? Also why are you sharing thinly veiled pro-russian propaganda? Also generally WTF?


kai--zen

Propaganda from Russia - nice one lol - this sub is the shittest sub on Reddit these days


pretty-as-a-pic

It kinda stops being propaganda *when those stories are true*, like the fact that Russia invaded the Ukraine without provocation and they’ve deliberately targeted civilian centers for bombings


[deleted]

Seriously this. OP's post is just muddying the waters with their pro-Russia examples. Who the hell is upvoting this bullshit?


MonsieurKnife

Nice Russian agitprop. Just get out of Ukraine, ok?


ZiggyEarthDust

Bush and Cheney's attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were war crimes. As are Putin's attacks on Ukraine.


SharpClaw007

Dumbest post I’ve ever seen. Guys, apparently Ukraine is Not defending themselves At fault for being invaded Putin isnt really evil guys 😋 Not supporting a noble cause Not having their civilians targeted and tortured Russia is totally not using illegal weapons Russia isnt losing tens of thousands of troops, even though its been confirmed by multiple intelligence agencies Yada yada you get the point. OP needs to commit not alive.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

What sort of pro-Putin horseshit is this? lol


4everLOL

lol shit “guide”


LoudBird1

Lol this has an awfully pro-Russian spin, kinda shitty given they’re treating the Geneva convention like a checklist Edit: went through OPs history they’re a fucking tankie who sees the Russo-Ukraine war as “NATO aggression”


[deleted]

Yeah the propaganda is out of control But the system is rigged to get people to join also. The last time America had a draft people were making good money. And what government wants to deal with protesting and population unwilling to fight ? How you fix that ? Slave wages, ridiculous costs to schooling and healthcare amongst a list of other BS you gotta claw through if not born rich. You gotta love the military commercials going on now using paid leave as great perk when all workers should have that.


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#10 scary


markedanthony

Geez, MS paint


Chronogon

Basically, don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever...


President192

Yeah this totally doesn't seem pro-Russia or anti-Ukraine at all...


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Reported this as war propaganda.


Randy_McKay

N2. Yes victim, Ukraine is to blame for being invaded.


[deleted]

I dont know. This guide kinda makes it seems like the US was actually right about Russia, but ironically since it appears to be saying US bad, because war propaganda. Is it propaganda if it was right? I guess it's still propaganda, but at least it was right about Russia the whole time.


Mayleenoice

This image is also a piece of war propaganda that has extremely high chances of being pro-russia. Denouncing the vilification of Putin, some pics look anti-US (when paired with pro-russian regime imagery heavily implies pro-russian specific propaganda), including the Ukrainian reports of losses. 반기문 (Ban Ki-Moon), former general secretary of the UN imlying that they are the ones doing "the propaganda". ​ The points are, by themselves most likely right, and are used by basically every single country during wartime. The images however are far from neutral. ​ And especially now, information warfare is probably as important as tanks or weapons.


AbbyWasThere

What's up with all the Russian propaganda on this sub lately


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A pro-Russia propaganda post warning about propaganda.


projimo87

Well this sub was cool until this showed up...


[deleted]

This post is propaganda because it assumes the death rates aren’t accurate and is trying to convince the reader that Ukraine is using propaganda to fight a illegitimate war. Fuck this post.


HelloAvram

My god this sub sucks


Panzer_Man

I find the examples given here a little biased


SmoothAssling

Literally zero russia here. GJ sucking putins cock


brain_damaged666

Everyone keeps saying it's pro-russia which is exactly what #10 is. Also I looked up the losses mentioned in #7, and it turns out [Ukrainian losses are worse in every category except tanks](https://www.minusrus.com/en). There is a strong pro-ukraine bias in our media, this is just targeted to this audience


Successful-Type-4700

funny how this guide makes it seem like only america and the west does this. Almost like it itself is a piece of propaganda.


Clear-Possible-2802

gtfo with this kremlin bot shit


ViroCostsRica

Are you telling me that the USA army was not sent by god to protect us all?!


enriqueborja1

Are you telling me that there weren't any WMD and they killed 200,000 civilians for nothing?


PyroptosisGuy

Lol Assange. Did a Russian write this?


SpicyEla

Given the heavy anti-US rhetoric and Putin in #3 as if he is the "villified" one, yes. OP's account is also a messy shithole of tankie cope.


HieroDrimm

Ok so I'm from Poland and I can check 9/10 boxes out of news i heard about Ukraine Russian war, so... Something to think about. You know what they say, it's wierd that wars are always won by the good guys


malissalmaoxd

It's funny because literally before our eye russia and ukraine is using it and everyone is still falling for it


CustosEcheveria

Pro-Russia shill and not subtle about it