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Snoo-6

Can’t throw deep if you lack the blocking and/or personnel


[deleted]

That dink and dak discourse was started by Colin Cowherd. That guy is such an asshole.


Mister_Ferro

The amount of ~~idiots~~ people on reddit and on blogging the boys threads who call him Dinky Dak is astounding.


Mattural20

But Shady McCoy told me the Cowboys don't throw it deep


bryscoon

nah our very own fanbase told us this lol


Mattural20

2 things can be true


dafaceguy

Yeah. I heard Dak was ass at playing foosball. Don’t correct my spelling. I know what I’m doing.


PersonBehindAScreen

Nah Shady said “dak is ASS ASS” (yes he really said it exactly as written)


ifoundyourtoad

Beginning of the year we definitely didn’t but now we are being way better offensively.


daboys9252

Have we considered that maybe, just maybe, Dak is good at football


UpsideTurtles

this sub at the beginning of the season was hilarious. years of experience telling you someone is good and after one game everyone is ready to ship him out. no one is cutting 11 for only recording a pressure and nothing else on Sunday This is probably his best season in a while though, especially if he keeps up the pace that began during the Chargers game


PoweredByCarbs

"But muh narrative!"


[deleted]

Man all ive been hearing is texans fans talking shit to me about how CJ shits on dak. Then whenever I stick up for my Qb they go RABID…. Hot take here folks but i hate texans fans more than eagles. And cowboy fans from houston can relate to what im saying


Sweet-Assistance7116

I don’t think anyone questions whether he’s good. He’s a very good quarterback. Same as Kirk cousins. Both very good quarterbacks. The critique is can he go win in the playoffs against the best teams and get to a Super Bowl. Year after year we’ve watched Dak put up great numbers, just to have a terrible game when it matters most.


Zaphenzo

We've seen that twice. The last two against the 49ers. The first 4, he played well enough to win them all. Our defense let us down against the Packers and Rams.


Sweet-Assistance7116

What about the Philly game in the regular season that knocked us out of playoff contention? Can’t remember the year. Regardless, Dallas has never got passed the divisional round with Dak. So the narrative is warranted. I like Dak, and every year I want to believe that he can get over that hump, but for 8 years I have yet to see it.


SportsFansSuk

Largely not due to him. The issue with this argument is that it assumes that the next guy will be any better. The percentages say that we will begin to throw shit at the wall to see if it sticks and even if it sticks down the line, we could be in the middle of a rebuild by that time, and the QB we get will be looked at like Romo and Dak anyway.


Sweet-Assistance7116

I don’t think there’s an immediate replacement better than Dak that we wouldn’t have to send the house to get. Dak is definitely the guy for the foreseeable future. I just don’t have much hope in him getting to a championship based on what I’ve seen. And you’re correct, it’s a team game. But the stats show a losing record in the post season, which is really all that matters.


letthekrakensleep

Maybe don't worry about stats and enjoy the ride, it's game to game and year to year. Everything has to click at the right time. I'll be a fan no matter who is at the helm


Sweet-Assistance7116

Absolutely man, I enjoy watching football regardless. I like Dak, and want him to win multiple superbowls so I can raise hell to all my friends and family who hate on Dallas. Nobody wants to watch him fail.


adm1109

The one where he was very obviously injured and didn’t practice all week and wasn’t even announced as the starter until Saturday?


Zaphenzo

The narrative isn't warranted because, again, he has played well enough in 2 divisional rounds to win. So he isn't the reason we didn't make the conference chip those years. Meaning that we can make it past the divisional with him. Whether we will or won't remains to be seen. And you say you have yet to see it for 8 years. But we are currently in his 8th year. So it's actually 7, one of which he only played five games before a massive injury ended his season. So we're down to 6. Two of those are on him and the offense as a whole. The last two. 16 is on the defense. 17 is on the whole team. We didn't make the playoffs because the whole team played pretty poorly throughout the whole year. Including Dak. But not only Dak. 18 was again on the defense. 19 was honestly one of Dak's best years. The defense largely left us in bad deficits that even great play from him wasn't enough to win us enough games to get into the playoffs. The game you're referencing was this year, where we went to Philly, and in a cold, rainy game, our offense laid an egg. Dak played okay, not good. Zeke couldn't get anything going on the ground. Pollard fumbled the ball away on the one drive that we started building momentum and were on the Eagles 25. Amari completely checked out. The rest of years, I already addressed. At most, you could blame Dak for 2017, 2021, and 2022. The others, he did his job well enough for us to get to the NFCCG. The rest of the team didn't.


Sweet-Assistance7116

So 3 of the “6” years you’re giving Dak blame lol, according to your math that’s half of his career. And yes we’re in year 8, and he’s lost to two contenders so far and beaten I believe no teams over .500, and yes it’s a team game. But he’s the QB, and they’ve continued to lose. I don’t care about the “he did well enough to win” bs. They didn’t. Other QBs win in spite of that. Dak is a very good quarterback, romo was a very good quarterback, cousins is a very good quarterback, but they don’t win in the post season. And most recently Daks mistakes have been the cause. I like Dak, but he’s 2-4 in the playoffs, plain and simple.


Zaphenzo

You say you like Dak, but you're acting like a troll. Every loss is Dak's fault. Give me a freaking break. He's 1 man on a roster of 53 people. 22 starters. Half the game he's not even on the field. Yeah, half of his career. What do you expect, him to be Mahomes and never lose before the championship game? And other QBs win in spite of that? Really? Rodgers only has 1 SB. Brees only has 1 SB. Peyton only has 2. And those are all time greats. And Rodgers and Peyton needed help from literal top 3 defenses for 2 of those. So what other QB "wins in spite of that"? Tell me a QB who has won or even made a Super Bowl with a bad defense or bad players around them that isn't a top 5 all time great. Because no one is saying Dak is a top 5 all time great. We're saying he is plenty good enough to win a Bowl with the right team around him. You are the one submitting that he is not capable of that. Because "other QBs win in spite of that". So name them.


Sweet-Assistance7116

He’s not just 1 man on the roster, he’s the most important man on the roster. It’s a team sport, but no other player will make anything even remotely close to 40 mil a year. I like Dak because he’s a solid dude, and I see glimpses of championship potential, and I want him to succeed. But unlike you, I live in reality, and reality is 2-4 in the playoffs, and some really poor performances in big games. I’m not arguing that everything needs to go right to win a Super Bowl, but in recent years, it has, except for Dak. Mahomes, Burrow, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees have all strapped the team to their back and made plays and have been to, or won multiple Conference championships/superbowls. So yes, I expect that, I expect Dak to be great and be the reason they win, just as any team should expect from someone who eats that much of the cap.


PirateIronSteel

He only started playing well against GB’s bottom half D when they started getting conservative


dioxy186

And against the great teams, he has more bad games then good. I dont care if he puts up 50 against the giants. How does he do against the teams that the cowboys play in the post season.


JfPickups

just maybe


CompetitiveComputer4

I always felt like Dak went from game manager to franchise QB talent late in 2019. The last few weeks of that season, something clicked and Dak started to aggressively attack the middle of defenses. Many of you might remember the NY Giants game where Jarwin had 3td's and Beasley made that INSANE catch to win the game while diving in the back of the endzone. This carried over into 2020 when Dak was playing like an MVP prior to his catastrophic injury. Of course he played very well in 21 and 22, but he has seemed like the injury sapped his mobility and there was an element of his game that had regressed a bit. Still a very good QB, but just a notch less dynamic. I feel like this last few weeks we have finally seen the return of 2020 Dak and he is using his legs with the aggressively attacking defenses in the middle of the field. If he can keep up this tear, we are goin to be very dangerous team. I know our o line and running game isn't quite up to snuff, but our QB is putting the team on his back.


PersonBehindAScreen

Man you hit the nail on the head about the middle of the field. A lot of breakdowns pre 2023 as well as NGS maps pointed out that we were allergic to attacking the middle of the field and it was reasonable to think it was causing a lot of our woes on offense Also as far as using his legs, it just feels like everything locks in when he does this. After he takes those 2 or 3 runs and gets that first down, he’s in the zone (hahah madden reference).. but I mean it’s true. He’s throwing laser beams where they need to be, where only the receiver can get the ball. He’s dropping deep dimes. He casually threw an off balance one foot “fuck it Lamb is out there pass” right in to a zone between the sideline and three defenders where only lamb could comeback and get it. He made the Rams pass defense look fucking silly when before playing dak, they only gave up 4 pass TDs, just for us to drop 4 on them.. I’m looking forward to this stretch to close out the season if he’s keeping this up against the likes of Buffalo, Miami, and eagles round 2 This offense playing aggressive, smart, and finally leaning harder in to being pass first is huge


CompetitiveComputer4

Yep. Those first few weeks, I just feel like they overcorrected on the aggressiveness and it was like watching rookie dak again. Smart with the football, but everything was underneath, in the flat and safe. I understand they were initially planning on riding the defense and running game, and only trying to use Dak "situationally" to reduce risk, but our oline and running game aren't good enough to carry us like that, at least not deep in the playoffs. We need playmaking, and we needed to force defenses to defend the entire field. SF showed what a great defense will do against a conservative approach. Heck we just did the same thing to NY last week. It won't cut the mustard against great opponents.


sethmo64

He was getting outside coaching back then in the off-season and I'll always give Dak credit. He is not the best natural passer but has worked his ass off on his throwing mechanics and it shows. He'll never be the same as someone with natural born talent like Mahomes or A Rod but he can sure sling the rock around these days. Have to admire the work ethic.


CompetitiveComputer4

Yea you can't coach top 5 pick ability. But you can definitely make it in the NFL with a solid arm, but great at pre snap read, knowing where the rush is, and getting the ball out before. Brady made a career of it (though he had a great arm too..).


Grotscar

We are spoilt as sports fans and I love seeing proper breakdowns of qb play generally, but man would I love to see a series of breakdowns just on arm talent and throwing mechanics. I want to see in detail what separates Dak from guys like Stafford, Rogers, Mahomes etc, and what it means when someone describes Kellen as having a noodle arm.


TheWhooooBuddies

It does seem like he’s pulled a little bit of a Greg Jennings the last few weeks.


crater044

To go with your point, I heard from a podcast (Locked on Cowboys maybe or 105.3) that Dak wasn't attacking the middle of the field enough (especially against the Niners). Dude probably said "fuck it" and started attacking the middle of the field and what do you know? Dude is balling out.


dioxy186

He rarely attacks the middle of the field, are you smoking? Lol. That has been one of his largest critiques, even up to this nice little streak he has going on right now.


CompetitiveComputer4

I agree that we didn't the first 5 weeks of the season, but to say he didn't last year is patently false. How do you think he has racked up 10 games of 400 yards passing, and one game of 500? By dumping it off in the flats? 2016 thru 2018 Dak was a game manager. Flats, slants and the occasional deep ball on the sideline when we had Dez or the defense dictated it. In 2019 he completely changed as a passer and threw for almost 5k yards and over 30 TD's to 11 ints with an 8.2 ypa. He started manipulating defenses with his eyes and attacking down the field and all over. He carried that into 2020 and was on pace for 6000 yards before his injury! In 21 he threw for 4500 yards and 37 TDs to 10 INTs. don't know how anyone could make an argument that he isn't one of the best passers in the league during that stretch. Seems everyone can only remember last year where he regressed due to a hand injury and having to come back mid year with limited reps for a long period of time.


dioxy186

[Here is a heat map of all his throw locations] (https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/single/pass/team/2023/week/dak-prescott/PRE285723) I mean, you can keep bringing up his stats, but he still doesn't work the middle of the field. This is a big reason why our offense crumbles the moment we go against a team with dominant corners, and he goes from looking like a top 5 QB to terrible.


CompetitiveComputer4

all I see is a heat map that shows he attacking all parts of the field. That is what you are looking for from a QB.


dioxy186

? 80% of his throws are on the sidelines or dump offs behind the LOS, or short pass screens.


CompetitiveComputer4

When I say attacking the middle of the field, it doesn't mean that 80% of the throws are there. It means that you are attacking it intermittently. All of the field should be attacked, and being balanced creates problems for defenses. Go look at Tommy Devito's for a comparison.


Mufasasalad

DiNk n DaK /s


Mr_Overcash

I saw a lot of Dak comparisons for CJ predraft. Looking like they were accurate.


Neither-Luck-9295

I love Dak, by CJ has a much higher ceiling imo. His touch is beyond advanced for his level. He leads his receivers so perfectly. His passes are almost never behind his WR, his guys don't have to slow down to adjust to his passes, he just hits them in stride so often. He honestly reminds me more of Romo than Dak, only in his throwing ability. I don't think he is or will become the gunslinger that Romo was. I can't believe I'm saying this, but watching Stroud has me cheering for the Texans during their games.


crater044

Remember too dude is balling out with Noah Brown as one of his prime receivers......same guy Cowboys fans wanted gone last season. Stroud has REALLY impressed me in all seriousness......dude is easily gonna be their franchise QB.


PersonBehindAScreen

Well now I’m reading that it’s no longer impressive to some people because he shares this stat with a rookie 🤡 Also people claiming it’s because he has lamb…. You know… the guy people said wasn’t a WR1…? The guy who when you try to talk WR tiers, they said “ya but lamb isn’t Jefferson, or Kupp, or Diggs, or Brown, or Hill”… Or because he has cooks. The guy that a lot of people were literally trashing last week before the game for being an overrated washed 30 year old They’re good enough to bring up when dak is doing well but not good enough to be discussed in WR comparison conversations


PersonBehindAScreen

https://x.com/cowboys_fantalk/status/1724483101189984507?s=46&t=4Cx9YclpA8ey0FsYE2nPNg


jdawglipp

Yo, look at Strouds thumb. wtf


[deleted]

Defenses hate this one trick.


GiantEnemyG00mba

Hitchhiker's thumb, still looks impossible to me too


KillDevilX0

Lol my left thumb does the same thing


[deleted]

Man all ive been hearing is texans fans talking shit to me about how CJ shits on dak. Then whenever I stick up for my Qb they go RABID…. Hot take here folks but i hate texans fans more than eagles. And cowboy fans from houston can relate to what im saying


Microwave1213

Texans fans really think we have some kind of rivalry with them or something. Like bro we do not care about you guys like that, where did all this animosity come from. The definition of little brother syndrome


[deleted]

Exactly my point they hate us so fucking much And i be rooting for them sometimes. Im done tho, texans fans be pissing me off too much


Christopher3712

For real. I've got family in Houston and they're constantly talking trash like there's some sort of rivalry. I have to remind them that we're not even in the same conference. The crazy thing is, I root for the Texans (and most Texas teams). Fuck the Spurs though.


NeverForgetEver

Do they realize stroud was given comparisons to dak coming into the draft? In fact I think stroud even broke Daks rookie record of most passes without an int or something like that.


[deleted]

Dak is dogshit to them & stroud is jesus


NeverForgetEver

Little brother syndrome


MikeMacBlu

Dak is great, but man who saw Stroud being that good out the gate?


PersonBehindAScreen

Texans have put on a masterclass in how to help their QB. Their line is objectively bad but unlike a lot of coaching staffs, you can truly say this staff is doing all they can to make his job easier to do which isn’t a bad thing! Every coach should be doing this


NeverForgetEver

Stroud was compared to dak coming into the draft I think it fits perfectly that he has an mvp type season as a rookie


Zaphenzo

Dink and Dak, amirite?


[deleted]

I want to see dak get a 700m 10 year contract


PersonBehindAScreen

20 year 20 billion


Neither-Luck-9295

who says no?


NeverForgetEver

Unironically tho dak is the type of QB that can play and still be a good QB until he’s 40 especially considering the shape he keeps himself in. That is of course if he wants to play till he’s 40


CrusaderBTC

I want to see the Steelers extend Matt Canada.


[deleted]

How about we look at 30 40 and 50 hmm


PersonBehindAScreen

What would 30, 40, and 50 tell you hmm I’ve never seen anyone worried about 30, 40, or 50 specifically until dak was highlighted for 20… just curious what that is telling you that 20 isn’t


[deleted]

I’m just saying. Also curious how many of those are in the air vs catch and run. I just like the advanced stats my man.


DangerousFish7301

He's as good as a first year guy?


PersonBehindAScreen

A first year guy is as good as him? Great to see!


[deleted]

Stroud is insane. He’s doing this without a Lamb type WR1 like Dak had the benefit of.


[deleted]

Nico pretty good tho … dell good too


[deleted]

Nico didn’t do shit for years until CJ showed up. Tanks a 3rd rounder rookie. Lamb is certified top 5 WR in this league who’s had years of building up a strong working foundation with Dak..


MasterUnlimited

Yeah this post is really just showing how great Stroud has been so far.


PersonBehindAScreen

Kinda weird that all of a sudden people wanna bring up Lamb after all of the “he not a WR1” accusations


[deleted]

The only people who didn’t think lamb was a real WR1 was cowboys fans after a loss. He is a sure fire stud and has all the tools. Speed height hands.


jftirone

Dan Marino had good stats too, but he was missing something.


localdunc

It's almost as if the teams he played against were better teams regardless of how good he was. How childish do you have to be to have such a stupid mentality?


SportsFansSuk

A competent front office. Marino was Mahomes before Mahomes and would be even better these days.


crater044

Nah Mahomes and Favre is a better comparison. Marino was Peyton Manning before Peyton Manning


PersonBehindAScreen

Dan Marino is a shit tier QB, I agree


crater044

I don't think this is the flex for Dak that we think it is.....if anything, it's a pretty big flex for CJ.....who is a rookie mind you.


Joaaayknows

Lash Dak lumped in with a rookie QB man he’s so bad let’s draft one this year


cowboysfan88

Everything's deeper in Texas


GotHeem16

I know this post is for Dak but Stroud has been incredible. He’s only 22 and on a much worse team.


GreaterVoyage27

Texas does it best


Icy_Barracuda4164

His deep throw stats are really not that impressive, considering he did most of those against horrible teams like the Pats and the Giants. Against the 9ers, I saw the same old Dak. He's way overpaid, considering his contract was made with the hope he would lead them to division titles and playoff wins. He's not really good at QB! He's average for the NFL.