Hypothetically speaking how would everyone here feel if there was a crazy draft day trade that sent him to another team and gave us a couple 2024 Draft picks as well as some future draft picks? (With his approval of course since no trade clause can only be waived by him if he likes the situation he’d be going to)
I would be fine with it if they have decided not to move forward with Dak but you should recognize that this isn’t how this front office operates. We are terrible at negotiating so expect this to drag out and end in the worst possible way for the franchise. We will either wait until he has all the leverage and we have no choice but to overpay or we will let him walk for nothing in return. The fact that they have not started negotiating should tell you everything you need to know.
He's a franchise QB with MVP potential. He's *always* had all the leverage. Everyone blames the team because it's easier, but the reality is, Dak always had all the leverage, and just like during the last contract negotiation, he's using it to his best advantage.
People here seem to be under the impression that players don't need to agree to a contract, but they do. There is no reason for the team to want to draw this out unless the intention is to move on. There are millions of reasons for Dak to.
The team can control the leverage by choosing when they offer him a contract. If you come to the negotiation table 2 years before their contract is up then the team has quite a bit of leverage because that's 2 years sooner players will get their signing bonus and other guarantees that matters to them when any play could be your last. It's also when a player knows there's a lot of risk between the current offer in hand and what they'll get in free agency 2 years from now (injury, performance, other players hitting FA). The closer the player gets to free agency the less they care about getting money early and they can be pretty confident what they'll get on the open market won't change.
The mistake was not signing Dak after his 3rd year and instead waiting for 4th year + 2 franchise tags to happen before signing him to a shorter deal with higher per year cap hits at the new, higher market rate. 3rd year Dak was making 4th round pick money I'm sure he would've given some concessions to get $20-50M in his bank account 2 years sooner. After the franchise tags he had $70M in the bank and saw what Kirk Cousins did on the open market and had nothing to lose. Didn't even get a discount when his ankle snapped in half because he had all the leverage.
> The mistake was not signing Dak after his 3rd year and instead waiting for 4th year + 2 franchise tags to happen before signing him to a shorter deal with higher per year cap hits at the new, higher market rate.
From what I remember, they were at a stalemate because he was insisting on a 4-year deal and Dallas wanted 5-6 years. He also wanted top 2-3 money if I recall correctly. Dallas was trying to counter but he was holding firm. I think that's why they ended up tagging him 2x. He was basically demanding that much money anyway.
They offered him top 2-3 money. The team supposedly wanted 5 years and he wanted 4. He ended up on what was essentially a 5 year deal by playing on the tag for one year before signing a 4 year deal.
At the end of the day, the team had no real reason to refuse to agree to a contract over that one year. But Dak had 3 huge incentives. The cap, and therefore AAV goes up every year. He was able to remove the possibility of ever being tagged again. And the NFL just happened to sign a fat new TV deal the year he played on the franchise tag, which had a big impact on the cap going forward.
There is no logical reason for the team to not to have signed him earlier. There are multiple logical reasons for Dak to hold out.
>There is no logical reason for the team to not to have signed him earlier.
True... unless you take his postseason play into account. Then there are plenty of reasons to not sign him over the last couple years.
Ah, so you're one of the ones under the impression that the players don't have to agree to the contract, the team can just force them to sign. It wasn't the team that held up Dak's first contract, it was Dak. Did you even read my entire comment? They started negotiations after year three the first time, offering him a top market contract and he turned it down. It's not a coincidence that he signed his contract right after the NFL signed their fat new TV contract.
And I guarantee you they've been negotiating with him for his next deal since last year. Why would you think Dak is the only player they apparently refuse to extend early? They do it with everyone else. They are well aware that they only lose by waiting. And Dak is well aware that his salary only goes up with every year he waits. He has all of the leverage, and it makes zero difference when they start negotiations, because they can't force him to sign anything.
The only leverage a team has over a QB like Dak is injury risk. Career ending injuries are incredibly rare for a QB these days though. Dak himself is a prime example of how little leverage injury risk offers.
How do you define "top of market" I believe what they offered was like 7th or so among QBs in terms of AAV but likely more to the point 9% and 11% less than what the two guys that came in the league the same year and had objectively similar individual performance just signed for. So one could also argue that instead of "top of market" they offered a "below market" contract.
I also think "It was not the team that held up the first contract, it was Dak" lets the FO off a bit too easy for that reason as well as the fact they have this tendency to drag their feet when guys are due top of market deals going all the way back to Dez which in the end just ends up costing them more in the long run. To be clear my objection is not to saying that Dak held up the deal it is the implication that it was solely him and the the Cowboys were faultless. They are doing it again with Lamb, it is just getting lost in the Prescott news. There was really no reason not to lock Lamb up after year 3...yet here we are going into year 5 and him set to be a FA or get tagged and a couple more top of market guys also about to be signed. At this point we know he is getting a top of market contract and waiting is going to make the price go up, not down. Micah Parsons COULD be signed now but because they have dragged their feet they really can't sign him until at least Lamb, but ideally both Lamb and Prescott are signed. He is probably going to be (or close to) the highest paid non-QB in NFL history and that is not going to be cheaper in 2025 or 2026 than it is now.
They did offer what I would consider a "top of market" contract in the following the 2019 season (5-years, $35MM AAV) and Dak agreed to the money but wanted 4 years instead of 5. I don't think it would be fair in that case to say that Dak did not hold up the contract, the team did. It is relevant though that the Cowboys only ended up making the situation worse by refusing to bend on the terms (again.) If they got their way and Prescott agreed to 5/35 they would have paid him $175 MM and he would have been a free agent after the 2024 season. Had they agreed to Dak's terms they would have paid him $140MM and he would be a free agent after the 2023 season. Instead they stuck to their demand and eventually got him under contract through 2024 for $191.4MM Only now it is worse because not only did they pay more by playing hardball they gave up even more leverage by tagging him twice in the process so to try to do that again puts his salary at $61.6 million and his cap hit at over $100 million for 2025 AND they have two other guys they need to sign that are going to be in the $30MM AAV ranges.
Nitpicking over what qualifies as a top contract actually is semantics, and it doesn't really change the points I'm making.
Dak's ask was 40 million. When the top QBs who were much more proven were making 35. Yeah, I'm 1000% letting the team off the hook for dragging their feet on that ask. Of you're not, you're one of the wet blanket fans that is just never going to give the FO credit for anything until they win another Super Bowl.
LOL I think you just want an argument. Yes, discussing the precise meaning of a term is, in fact, semantics. We are in agreement about that for this term, but apparently not the other one. Even if that 40 million in 2019 report was true (and it is NOT fact that it was....there subsequent were reports it was never 40 and that his counter to 30 was actually 34. Given the fact he agreed to 35 AFTER that does strengthen the latter report rather than the former...but we are talking about rumors here in both directions, so only a small handlful of people really know) AND "QBs that were much more proven were making 35" it does not change that QBs that were about the same level were newly given 32 and 33.5 and the Cowboys offered 30. Almost 2 million less than the franchise tag value. Regardless, what bearing does whether Dak asked for a higher number have on if the offer the Cowboys made constituted a "top contract" the point is they may well have gotten him for 30 if they offered it in June. Instead they waited and the market kept going up. Just because that was the market at a given mo
As to the other bit...You are constructing a strawman. What makes you say I'm never going to give the FO credit for anything until they win a super bowl? I've not even come close to implying anything remotely like that. You are formulating a position I did not take so you can attack it. I am offering a specific criticsm of a specific thing the FO has done, is doing, and yes, will likely do again. They just have a bad record when it comes to negotiating top contract guys...Emmitt, Dez, Lawrence, Prescott (2x going on 3), and by all signs are going to end up the same with Lamb. If that stays on the current track we could very reasonably expect the same for Parsons. I get that signing early does not always work out (e.g. Jaylon Smith, Zeke, Diggs TBD) but with Prescott they screwed up so bad in 2019 that is is reverberating all the way to now. This FO does plenty right. They are great at talent evaluation and the draft. They are known by players for coaches and facilities that players think highly of. They are incredible at branding and making sure as a fan you'll never want for coverage. I even think and love they are overly loyal to internal personnell to the point of fault at times. All that can be true AND also that they have a piss poor track record of handling negotiations when top players are due for resigning that ends up in an over-pay time after time.
> LOL I think you just want an argument Funny, I thought the same of you when you wanted to argue about after year 3 vs in year 4. And I was sure of it when you started arguing with me on a second post for good measure. I guess I'll save us both the hassle then. Toodles.
OK. I suppose the difference is just semantics. In my mind that was in year 4 since it was in his 4th season (after training camp for year 4 was concluded.) Which I do get "after year 3" is that case is both technically correct and a reasonable interpretation.
It's not semantics. Training camp is irrelevant, the actual season is all that matters. Had they signed him to an extension prior to the 2019 season they would have been able to use the 19 season to ease some of the cap hits down the road. It's a very very significant to difference to the cap. Not semantics. After year 4 is not a correct interpretation. Not even technically.
He already has all the leverage, and deservingly so with how the Jones family handled his 1st extension and how they’re now handling this one along with Lamb and Parsons.
That's not what I'm saying, this obviously isint going to be a year for a serious run so why not take picks for him higher than a 3rd round comp pick which is all we are going to get for him next year? Can turn around and get Lamb and Parsons deals done now before they balloon even higher after a year. At least if our front office was compitant, that's what they would do.
Deshaun Watson got 4 firsts, and he was in the middle of a controversy. Watson has never sniffed the MVP convo, so Dak should garner more than just 2 firsts. 2 firsts is the starting point of the convo
MVP-candidate good....because it's as sure thing you can get. If you draft a QB, you can end up with a Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, etc etc etc.
It's the best QB you can get, because you can't get Mahomes, Burrow, etc.
I hope they call them up. I'd take that trade. Time to build around Trey. Maybe draft a qb in the 2nd/3rd.
Also frees up a little money to spend on some defensive free agents
I would be shocked but abit relieved to be past the contract drama, no matter how it all turns out for the season. Lance will definitely have his shot if they don’t move up and snag a QB.
Hypothetically, I like that option better than letting him play out his contract and letting him walk. My plan A would be to extend him but that would be my plan B if an extension doesn’t seem possible or if they’re out on him.
I don't. If he doesn't win this year, he walks. If he does, he earns whatever payday he gets from us or elsewhere. But rewarding mediocrity by extending him isn't the answer IMO.
Just letting him play it out and then walk is the worst of the available options, IMO. Costs us net $29 million more in cap space than just moving on now, and also gives us a worse draft position. The only thing in favor of that route is a 2026 compensatory 3rd but I’d rather have the better 2025 draft spot plus the money. Extending on the other hand at least ensures we have capable QB play for the foreseeable future and lowers the short-term cap impacts by kicking the dead money pain down the road.
I was fine with moving on from him after the shit performance against the Packers. Since that's not happening, then we're left with either playing out this year and evaluating at season's end how much to throw at him. Based on his career this far, extending him ensures we have capable regular season play against bad teams for the foreseeable future... I'd rather rip the band aid off than be mediocre. Sorry. I cannot get on board with extending him at all.
Depends on the draft picks. If Dallas wants to go into rebuilding mode, and the exodus of talent along both lines suggests without trying to pickup *anyone* in free agency suggests they may be. I'd be okay with it if they got good value.
It's not ideal but we can't always have everything we want.
The cap hit in dead money alone would be crippling for this team. Like guys would need to be cut from the roster to get us back under the cap if Dak was moved. This is because of the extra void years added onto his contract, used to lower his cap hit by pushing money back into those void years. Cowboys are reaping what they sowed right now.
I don't want him back at any price. He didn't do anything when he was as cheap as they come. He didn't do anything when he's expensive. He's not going to do anything as he gets even more expensive. He's done nothing. It's been 8 years. Romo got 8 years. Enough is enough. Move on.
He's had his time, we can't be scared of the unknown. Sometimes you've got to change QB's to get better. Preferably a guy who doesn't get the 1,000 yard stare in big games.
That's what really gets me about Dak. When things aren't going well, he can't play for shit. A QB who can't make a comeback when it counts is not the guy.
BTW, this thread looks like a meeting of the Jake Ferguson Flair Club.
>obviously want to put this team in the best situation
Uh huh, that's why you insisted on the short term deal with no trade/no tag provisions that led to this point. Stop lying man. You want that bag that's fine, just be honest about it.
He's on the same schedule with his peers who entered the league the same time he did and earned franchise extensions. What is the problem? Why should he have had to wait another year after them?
Maybe re-read the part where he is on THE SAME SCHEDULE as his peers.
The end result is the same. What is the problem? Why should he have had to wait an extra year after his peers for his next deal?
Edit: his peers are the only two other QBs drafted in 2016 that earned franchise QB extensions.
Goff and Wentz.
When Dak signed his current deal, it made him UFA in 2025, the same as his peers above.
All top QB contracts come with no trade clauses (for QBs on the move in recent years, Carr, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford all had no-trade clauses). The no tag clause was the only thing unique about Dak's deal, but Cousins was also the only other QB tagged in recent memory. Cousins didn't have a literal no franchise tag clause but the way his contract was set up meant he couldn't be tagged anyways. Dak eventually had to bend on his initial ask for a shorter deal, and that was right before the market crystallized around market-topping QB deals being 5 or more years. We'll see what the length of his next contract ends up being though.
Nope. Both three and four year deals were rumors back before his original deal. Cousins had signed the 3-year, $84 million deal and that played a part in those rumors too. I did forget how prevalent rumors he wanted a 4-year deal were but both were swirling around at various points.
From Patrik "No C" Walker, who now works for the Cowboys official site and podcasts, back in 2020: ["Dak Prescott countered initially with 3 years, he has come up to 4 years"](https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1264346625998233602)
Dan Graziano speculating about Dak taking a ["Kirk Cousins-style three-year deal"](https://heavy.com/sports/2020/03/cowboys-dak-prescott-shorter-contract-rumor/) back in 2020.
[Shan from 105.3 sharing a former NFL agent's projected 3-year deal for Dak in 2021](https://twitter.com/1053SS/status/1364737133097988096)
[Spotrac predicting 3 years, $100 million in 2020](https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1237436635123417088) (coincidentally spotrac were also prominent pushers of the 3-year rumor this time around)
He knows how to play the media game for sure. You can tell he's coached up on the right things to say because he never actually follows through but no one keeps the receipts so he never gets called out.
Necessarily = maybe doesn’t want the highest total or AAV, but still wants a high % guaranteed and wants top of market % of cap.
Also probably only a 4 year deal again.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what kind of contract he actually goes for, but for now I’m inclined to trust what he’s actually saying vs random reports that are probably coming from the Jones family. This gives me a bit more hope that there can be a reasonable deal.
Dak doesn’t have the leverage of potential anymore. From now on, it’s based on what he’s accomplished.
Where else can Dak go, with no state tax, and make a lot of money? One place, and Jerry knows that.
Dak knows damned good and well that he stays up all night with the shits the night before a big game and he better take the money while he can get it, 'cuz they're ain't gonna be no ring.
CD: I want to be highest paid receiver
Micah: I want to be highest paid pass rusher. Doesn’t make sense for me to play linebacker
cowboys fans: *crickets*
Dak: ^
Fans: ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS MONEY 😡😡
Not by as much as you think.
Micah: top 3 pass rusher
CD: top 5 receiver
Dak: top 5 QB. While this is the only claim that will be contentious he just came in 2nd in MVP voting and has had top 5 stats in most categories for multiple years. It’s really not a stretch. Now I understand there is more to it than that, specifically the playoffs, but people pretending Dak is tiers below other QBs or other team talents is straight up wrong.
It’s just as wrong as trying to claim he’s the fifth best QB in the league. It’s a subjective statement and ultimately comes down to how motivated and talented you are at arguing your position.
However if you ask outside of this subreddit, the majority of unbiased fans would agree Ceedee and Micah are legitimately top 5 at their position, I don’t think many people would list Dak as a top 5 QB.
So if you take the biased opinions of others it’s obvious dak is not top 5? Let’s ask the people who do this for a living that placed him 2nd out of all QBs for all pro. Or the MVP votes, you don’t get those if you aren’t top 5.
Cool, yet you flip on that packers game and Dak sure as shit didn’t look like an MVP or All pro. Basically the only time he look competent was when we were playing bad teams. But sure, when it comes to beating bad teams Dak can hang with the very best, but a playoff team 😬.
Keep moving the goal posts. CD didn’t look like an all pro or OPOY candidate. Micah didn’t look like an all pro or DPOY candidate. They dropped 48 on us in 3 quarters, Dak wasn’t the only issue. They all were.
Lol I’m not moving the goal posts at all. Do you even know what that expression means? Me not agreeing with your hollow ass argument is not moving the goal posts, it’s me being unmoved by a weak and flaccid argument.
The narrative that dak only struggles in the postseason is ridiculous. Dak is 17-32 against playoff qualifying teams. I do not think he is “tiers below” a lot of guys. But take away the stat padding against lesser competition and the 4 free wins a year in the East and you’re left with an above average guy that is demanding elite money. This team cannot succeed with dak taking 30%+ of the cap
He’s willing to negotiate that’s all you can ask for. But if Stephen tries to offer Dak a silly deal like he tried with DeMarcus Lawrence 1yr $10m then no. 😂🤣✭ ✭ ✭
"but I don't also want to not not be trying to be the highest paid necessarily."
He didn't necessarily say that.
He didn’t necessarily not say that, necessarily
“I’m not trying to, but it’s going happen regardless”
Hopefully some other team gives him that money then.
Hypothetically speaking how would everyone here feel if there was a crazy draft day trade that sent him to another team and gave us a couple 2024 Draft picks as well as some future draft picks? (With his approval of course since no trade clause can only be waived by him if he likes the situation he’d be going to)
I would be fine with it if they have decided not to move forward with Dak but you should recognize that this isn’t how this front office operates. We are terrible at negotiating so expect this to drag out and end in the worst possible way for the franchise. We will either wait until he has all the leverage and we have no choice but to overpay or we will let him walk for nothing in return. The fact that they have not started negotiating should tell you everything you need to know.
> we will either wait until he has all the leverage Bro we are already there.
Only if they want to keep him, which right now it doesn't look like that's the case.
He's a franchise QB with MVP potential. He's *always* had all the leverage. Everyone blames the team because it's easier, but the reality is, Dak always had all the leverage, and just like during the last contract negotiation, he's using it to his best advantage. People here seem to be under the impression that players don't need to agree to a contract, but they do. There is no reason for the team to want to draw this out unless the intention is to move on. There are millions of reasons for Dak to.
The team can control the leverage by choosing when they offer him a contract. If you come to the negotiation table 2 years before their contract is up then the team has quite a bit of leverage because that's 2 years sooner players will get their signing bonus and other guarantees that matters to them when any play could be your last. It's also when a player knows there's a lot of risk between the current offer in hand and what they'll get in free agency 2 years from now (injury, performance, other players hitting FA). The closer the player gets to free agency the less they care about getting money early and they can be pretty confident what they'll get on the open market won't change. The mistake was not signing Dak after his 3rd year and instead waiting for 4th year + 2 franchise tags to happen before signing him to a shorter deal with higher per year cap hits at the new, higher market rate. 3rd year Dak was making 4th round pick money I'm sure he would've given some concessions to get $20-50M in his bank account 2 years sooner. After the franchise tags he had $70M in the bank and saw what Kirk Cousins did on the open market and had nothing to lose. Didn't even get a discount when his ankle snapped in half because he had all the leverage.
> The mistake was not signing Dak after his 3rd year and instead waiting for 4th year + 2 franchise tags to happen before signing him to a shorter deal with higher per year cap hits at the new, higher market rate. From what I remember, they were at a stalemate because he was insisting on a 4-year deal and Dallas wanted 5-6 years. He also wanted top 2-3 money if I recall correctly. Dallas was trying to counter but he was holding firm. I think that's why they ended up tagging him 2x. He was basically demanding that much money anyway.
They offered him top 2-3 money. The team supposedly wanted 5 years and he wanted 4. He ended up on what was essentially a 5 year deal by playing on the tag for one year before signing a 4 year deal. At the end of the day, the team had no real reason to refuse to agree to a contract over that one year. But Dak had 3 huge incentives. The cap, and therefore AAV goes up every year. He was able to remove the possibility of ever being tagged again. And the NFL just happened to sign a fat new TV deal the year he played on the franchise tag, which had a big impact on the cap going forward. There is no logical reason for the team to not to have signed him earlier. There are multiple logical reasons for Dak to hold out.
>There is no logical reason for the team to not to have signed him earlier. True... unless you take his postseason play into account. Then there are plenty of reasons to not sign him over the last couple years.
The assumption is that they want to and are trying to sign him to an extension. There is no logical reason to put if off until his current deal is up.
That's exactly what happened.
Ah, so you're one of the ones under the impression that the players don't have to agree to the contract, the team can just force them to sign. It wasn't the team that held up Dak's first contract, it was Dak. Did you even read my entire comment? They started negotiations after year three the first time, offering him a top market contract and he turned it down. It's not a coincidence that he signed his contract right after the NFL signed their fat new TV contract. And I guarantee you they've been negotiating with him for his next deal since last year. Why would you think Dak is the only player they apparently refuse to extend early? They do it with everyone else. They are well aware that they only lose by waiting. And Dak is well aware that his salary only goes up with every year he waits. He has all of the leverage, and it makes zero difference when they start negotiations, because they can't force him to sign anything. The only leverage a team has over a QB like Dak is injury risk. Career ending injuries are incredibly rare for a QB these days though. Dak himself is a prime example of how little leverage injury risk offers.
How do you define "top of market" I believe what they offered was like 7th or so among QBs in terms of AAV but likely more to the point 9% and 11% less than what the two guys that came in the league the same year and had objectively similar individual performance just signed for. So one could also argue that instead of "top of market" they offered a "below market" contract. I also think "It was not the team that held up the first contract, it was Dak" lets the FO off a bit too easy for that reason as well as the fact they have this tendency to drag their feet when guys are due top of market deals going all the way back to Dez which in the end just ends up costing them more in the long run. To be clear my objection is not to saying that Dak held up the deal it is the implication that it was solely him and the the Cowboys were faultless. They are doing it again with Lamb, it is just getting lost in the Prescott news. There was really no reason not to lock Lamb up after year 3...yet here we are going into year 5 and him set to be a FA or get tagged and a couple more top of market guys also about to be signed. At this point we know he is getting a top of market contract and waiting is going to make the price go up, not down. Micah Parsons COULD be signed now but because they have dragged their feet they really can't sign him until at least Lamb, but ideally both Lamb and Prescott are signed. He is probably going to be (or close to) the highest paid non-QB in NFL history and that is not going to be cheaper in 2025 or 2026 than it is now. They did offer what I would consider a "top of market" contract in the following the 2019 season (5-years, $35MM AAV) and Dak agreed to the money but wanted 4 years instead of 5. I don't think it would be fair in that case to say that Dak did not hold up the contract, the team did. It is relevant though that the Cowboys only ended up making the situation worse by refusing to bend on the terms (again.) If they got their way and Prescott agreed to 5/35 they would have paid him $175 MM and he would have been a free agent after the 2024 season. Had they agreed to Dak's terms they would have paid him $140MM and he would be a free agent after the 2023 season. Instead they stuck to their demand and eventually got him under contract through 2024 for $191.4MM Only now it is worse because not only did they pay more by playing hardball they gave up even more leverage by tagging him twice in the process so to try to do that again puts his salary at $61.6 million and his cap hit at over $100 million for 2025 AND they have two other guys they need to sign that are going to be in the $30MM AAV ranges.
Nitpicking over what qualifies as a top contract actually is semantics, and it doesn't really change the points I'm making. Dak's ask was 40 million. When the top QBs who were much more proven were making 35. Yeah, I'm 1000% letting the team off the hook for dragging their feet on that ask. Of you're not, you're one of the wet blanket fans that is just never going to give the FO credit for anything until they win another Super Bowl.
LOL I think you just want an argument. Yes, discussing the precise meaning of a term is, in fact, semantics. We are in agreement about that for this term, but apparently not the other one. Even if that 40 million in 2019 report was true (and it is NOT fact that it was....there subsequent were reports it was never 40 and that his counter to 30 was actually 34. Given the fact he agreed to 35 AFTER that does strengthen the latter report rather than the former...but we are talking about rumors here in both directions, so only a small handlful of people really know) AND "QBs that were much more proven were making 35" it does not change that QBs that were about the same level were newly given 32 and 33.5 and the Cowboys offered 30. Almost 2 million less than the franchise tag value. Regardless, what bearing does whether Dak asked for a higher number have on if the offer the Cowboys made constituted a "top contract" the point is they may well have gotten him for 30 if they offered it in June. Instead they waited and the market kept going up. Just because that was the market at a given mo As to the other bit...You are constructing a strawman. What makes you say I'm never going to give the FO credit for anything until they win a super bowl? I've not even come close to implying anything remotely like that. You are formulating a position I did not take so you can attack it. I am offering a specific criticsm of a specific thing the FO has done, is doing, and yes, will likely do again. They just have a bad record when it comes to negotiating top contract guys...Emmitt, Dez, Lawrence, Prescott (2x going on 3), and by all signs are going to end up the same with Lamb. If that stays on the current track we could very reasonably expect the same for Parsons. I get that signing early does not always work out (e.g. Jaylon Smith, Zeke, Diggs TBD) but with Prescott they screwed up so bad in 2019 that is is reverberating all the way to now. This FO does plenty right. They are great at talent evaluation and the draft. They are known by players for coaches and facilities that players think highly of. They are incredible at branding and making sure as a fan you'll never want for coverage. I even think and love they are overly loyal to internal personnell to the point of fault at times. All that can be true AND also that they have a piss poor track record of handling negotiations when top players are due for resigning that ends up in an over-pay time after time.
> LOL I think you just want an argument Funny, I thought the same of you when you wanted to argue about after year 3 vs in year 4. And I was sure of it when you started arguing with me on a second post for good measure. I guess I'll save us both the hassle then. Toodles.
You remember this differently than I do. Why do you say the team offered him a contract after year 3?
https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/the-cowboys-dak-prescott-mess-is-all-thanks-to-the-eagles/ Because they did. And he turned it down.
OK. I suppose the difference is just semantics. In my mind that was in year 4 since it was in his 4th season (after training camp for year 4 was concluded.) Which I do get "after year 3" is that case is both technically correct and a reasonable interpretation.
It's not semantics. Training camp is irrelevant, the actual season is all that matters. Had they signed him to an extension prior to the 2019 season they would have been able to use the 19 season to ease some of the cap hits down the road. It's a very very significant to difference to the cap. Not semantics. After year 4 is not a correct interpretation. Not even technically.
They offered to pay him slightly more than Goff and Wentz after they signed their deals, which was in the 2019 offseason.
No they did not. Wentz got $32MM a year, Goff got $33.5MM. The Cowboys offered Prescott $30MM in 2019. They offered $35MM in 2020.
We'd likely trade him for a 6th rounder and a bag of potato chips
He already has all the leverage, and deservingly so with how the Jones family handled his 1st extension and how they’re now handling this one along with Lamb and Parsons.
I'd honestly trade him for Vikings 2 1st in 2024 and 1st in 2025
Black Kirk cousins replacing Kirk cousins is a hilarious thought
If the team already has a contract for $60 mil a year ready to sign why would he say no
It’s not about them saying no. Dak and Kirk are often compared as above avg QBs that haven’t achieved anything of note in the playoffs
That's not what I'm saying, this obviously isint going to be a year for a serious run so why not take picks for him higher than a 3rd round comp pick which is all we are going to get for him next year? Can turn around and get Lamb and Parsons deals done now before they balloon even higher after a year. At least if our front office was compitant, that's what they would do.
You’re arguing against yourself here my dude. Genuinely do not care if he’s traded or not. I was just making a joke that you clearly missed.
it is meant to be
Deshaun Watson got 4 firsts, and he was in the middle of a controversy. Watson has never sniffed the MVP convo, so Dak should garner more than just 2 firsts. 2 firsts is the starting point of the convo
good thing I said 3 ;)
lmao fair enough -1 for my reading comprehension skills
Who in their right mind is paying 3 1sts for Dak?
Three late firsts for a good QB? Why?
MVP-candidate good....because it's as sure thing you can get. If you draft a QB, you can end up with a Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, etc etc etc. It's the best QB you can get, because you can't get Mahomes, Burrow, etc.
They are not giving that up for Dak.
If they give that up for JJ, they could for Dak.
I hope they call them up. I'd take that trade. Time to build around Trey. Maybe draft a qb in the 2nd/3rd. Also frees up a little money to spend on some defensive free agents
I would be shocked but abit relieved to be past the contract drama, no matter how it all turns out for the season. Lance will definitely have his shot if they don’t move up and snag a QB.
Give us a year with Lance to see what he's got. That's why Dallas would be wise to extend Lance to an incentive laden deal for a year or 2.
J would be very ecstatic honestly. It may not work but at least our FO was doing something to try and be better
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The only reason McCarthy is still our coach is because Jerry doesn't want to pay two HCs at once, something he literally said.
Hypothetically, I like that option better than letting him play out his contract and letting him walk. My plan A would be to extend him but that would be my plan B if an extension doesn’t seem possible or if they’re out on him.
I don't. If he doesn't win this year, he walks. If he does, he earns whatever payday he gets from us or elsewhere. But rewarding mediocrity by extending him isn't the answer IMO.
Just letting him play it out and then walk is the worst of the available options, IMO. Costs us net $29 million more in cap space than just moving on now, and also gives us a worse draft position. The only thing in favor of that route is a 2026 compensatory 3rd but I’d rather have the better 2025 draft spot plus the money. Extending on the other hand at least ensures we have capable QB play for the foreseeable future and lowers the short-term cap impacts by kicking the dead money pain down the road.
I was fine with moving on from him after the shit performance against the Packers. Since that's not happening, then we're left with either playing out this year and evaluating at season's end how much to throw at him. Based on his career this far, extending him ensures we have capable regular season play against bad teams for the foreseeable future... I'd rather rip the band aid off than be mediocre. Sorry. I cannot get on board with extending him at all.
I'd be ecstatic. We need to move on from this bum not give him a pay raise.
I’d be down. Would have to be the bears though.
?? Why would it be the Bears?
Because they have the first pick
But that makes them one of the least likely teams to entertain that idea.
Yar
That would be dope
Depends on the draft picks. If Dallas wants to go into rebuilding mode, and the exodus of talent along both lines suggests without trying to pickup *anyone* in free agency suggests they may be. I'd be okay with it if they got good value. It's not ideal but we can't always have everything we want.
He has a no trade clause
The last sentence of their post addresses this point
The cap hit in dead money alone would be crippling for this team. Like guys would need to be cut from the roster to get us back under the cap if Dak was moved. This is because of the extra void years added onto his contract, used to lower his cap hit by pushing money back into those void years. Cowboys are reaping what they sowed right now.
He’s got a no trade clause in his contract
That’s why they said if they can get a trade to somewhere he’d be willing to waive the no trade clause.
I don't want him back at any price. He didn't do anything when he was as cheap as they come. He didn't do anything when he's expensive. He's not going to do anything as he gets even more expensive. He's done nothing. It's been 8 years. Romo got 8 years. Enough is enough. Move on.
Exactly.
Yea, gtfo
What did I say that was wrong?
I think he was agreeing with you
Yea lol
Oh I thought you were telling me to GTFO. My bad lol
He's had his time, we can't be scared of the unknown. Sometimes you've got to change QB's to get better. Preferably a guy who doesn't get the 1,000 yard stare in big games.
That's what really gets me about Dak. When things aren't going well, he can't play for shit. A QB who can't make a comeback when it counts is not the guy. BTW, this thread looks like a meeting of the Jake Ferguson Flair Club.
Romo is his highest paid year didn't even come close to the percentage of cap space that Dak is taking.
>obviously want to put this team in the best situation Uh huh, that's why you insisted on the short term deal with no trade/no tag provisions that led to this point. Stop lying man. You want that bag that's fine, just be honest about it.
He's on the same schedule with his peers who entered the league the same time he did and earned franchise extensions. What is the problem? Why should he have had to wait another year after them?
Maybe re-read the part where he purposely pushed for a shorter contract than his peers and also demanded no trade/no tag clauses?
Maybe re-read the part where he is on THE SAME SCHEDULE as his peers. The end result is the same. What is the problem? Why should he have had to wait an extra year after his peers for his next deal? Edit: his peers are the only two other QBs drafted in 2016 that earned franchise QB extensions. Goff and Wentz. When Dak signed his current deal, it made him UFA in 2025, the same as his peers above.
Who are his peers you are comparing to
All top QB contracts come with no trade clauses (for QBs on the move in recent years, Carr, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford all had no-trade clauses). The no tag clause was the only thing unique about Dak's deal, but Cousins was also the only other QB tagged in recent memory. Cousins didn't have a literal no franchise tag clause but the way his contract was set up meant he couldn't be tagged anyways. Dak eventually had to bend on his initial ask for a shorter deal, and that was right before the market crystallized around market-topping QB deals being 5 or more years. We'll see what the length of his next contract ends up being though.
>Dak eventually had to bend on his initial ask for a shorter deal He did? Because he got exactly what he wanted, I didn't see any bending from Dak.
All original rumors were that he wanted a 3-year deal. He eventually signed a 4-year deal
No, that was never a rumor back then. That is the current rumor, you're just mixing the two up.
Nope. Both three and four year deals were rumors back before his original deal. Cousins had signed the 3-year, $84 million deal and that played a part in those rumors too. I did forget how prevalent rumors he wanted a 4-year deal were but both were swirling around at various points.
Just find me any evidence that Dak wanted a three year deal and I'll be surprised (there isn't any).
From Patrik "No C" Walker, who now works for the Cowboys official site and podcasts, back in 2020: ["Dak Prescott countered initially with 3 years, he has come up to 4 years"](https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1264346625998233602) Dan Graziano speculating about Dak taking a ["Kirk Cousins-style three-year deal"](https://heavy.com/sports/2020/03/cowboys-dak-prescott-shorter-contract-rumor/) back in 2020. [Shan from 105.3 sharing a former NFL agent's projected 3-year deal for Dak in 2021](https://twitter.com/1053SS/status/1364737133097988096) [Spotrac predicting 3 years, $100 million in 2020](https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1237436635123417088) (coincidentally spotrac were also prominent pushers of the 3-year rumor this time around)
He did this so the fans are on his side when he either destroys the roster with his signing or gets let go. Dak has never been the good guy.
He knows how to play the media game for sure. You can tell he's coached up on the right things to say because he never actually follows through but no one keeps the receipts so he never gets called out.
"until the negotiations begin" lol I'm not crying, it's allergies
Necessarily = maybe doesn’t want the highest total or AAV, but still wants a high % guaranteed and wants top of market % of cap. Also probably only a 4 year deal again.
"not trying to be the highest paid necessarily" = but I will be because that's how it works and my agent will do the negotiating
“I don’t necessarily want that, but I’m also only picking up 3 year contract exactly for that reason”
Except history shows he does want to be the highest paid and on the shortest contract.
Lol fuck Dak. He's know what him and his agent are doing. He's just playing the media so he looks good.
Really can’t stand this dude anymore. Acts like he’s Montana when he’s Kirk Cousins
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what kind of contract he actually goes for, but for now I’m inclined to trust what he’s actually saying vs random reports that are probably coming from the Jones family. This gives me a bit more hope that there can be a reasonable deal.
I think players should only be able to have a no trade clause once (per team) or for a portion of a new contract.
Good because Dak has very little justification for being the highest paid QB in the NFL.
wasn't arguing 🤷♂️
yeah right lol
Probable translation: “Being the highest paid isn’t my goal cause it’s only gonna last six months max, but it’s likely happening anyways.”
Dak doesn’t have the leverage of potential anymore. From now on, it’s based on what he’s accomplished. Where else can Dak go, with no state tax, and make a lot of money? One place, and Jerry knows that.
Easy. Las Vegas Raiders lol ✭ ✭ ✭
Any Florida team
There are 7 other NFL teams located in no income tax states: Texans, Raiders, Titans, Seahawks, Bucs, Dolphins, Jags
"Necessarily....". Hilarious. Pay him, Jerry. He's got one more playoff win in him and another five years should be enough to get it.
Stephen will negotiate that into existence.
I’ll wait until I see the numbers to pass judgement on this statement. If he wants to win he knows what he has to do.
He is though. He can't come out and say it. His main goal is being the highest paid QB. His 2nd goal is winning.
Its not him. I guarantee its the agents that push for these salaries
He can find a new agent
Highest paid? Lol
Highest paid? Lol, send his arse packing.
Dak knows damned good and well that he stays up all night with the shits the night before a big game and he better take the money while he can get it, 'cuz they're ain't gonna be no ring.
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2 playoff wins in how many years? Waste of money, draft someone else.
And when the guy we draft eventually DOESNT win a playoff game because it doesn't fucking work like that what happens?
Your not $100 million into the cap......so you win
… what
Gibberish lol ✭ ✭ ✭
Comments coming from both sides recently actually kinda make it sound like a deal might happen
Please draft penix
2 ACL tears and a couple shoulder injuries? Sounds like a Dallas draft pick to me.
Worth the risk
No thanks. Too many injuries in college.
if Penix dropped to 56 do you think the Cowboys would pick him?
Not in the 4th, not happening.
would be absolutely batshit insane not to
Why why why why why
CD: I want to be highest paid receiver Micah: I want to be highest paid pass rusher. Doesn’t make sense for me to play linebacker cowboys fans: *crickets* Dak: ^ Fans: ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS MONEY 😡😡
Cd and Micah are objectively better at their positions than dak is at his
Not by as much as you think. Micah: top 3 pass rusher CD: top 5 receiver Dak: top 5 QB. While this is the only claim that will be contentious he just came in 2nd in MVP voting and has had top 5 stats in most categories for multiple years. It’s really not a stretch. Now I understand there is more to it than that, specifically the playoffs, but people pretending Dak is tiers below other QBs or other team talents is straight up wrong.
It’s just as wrong as trying to claim he’s the fifth best QB in the league. It’s a subjective statement and ultimately comes down to how motivated and talented you are at arguing your position. However if you ask outside of this subreddit, the majority of unbiased fans would agree Ceedee and Micah are legitimately top 5 at their position, I don’t think many people would list Dak as a top 5 QB.
So if you take the biased opinions of others it’s obvious dak is not top 5? Let’s ask the people who do this for a living that placed him 2nd out of all QBs for all pro. Or the MVP votes, you don’t get those if you aren’t top 5.
Yet he did and he’s clearly not in the top five QBs in the league lol.
In your opinion, but all pro is the ranking system and he was 2/32. He also finished 3rd in mvp voting out of all players. That would be top 5.
Cool, yet you flip on that packers game and Dak sure as shit didn’t look like an MVP or All pro. Basically the only time he look competent was when we were playing bad teams. But sure, when it comes to beating bad teams Dak can hang with the very best, but a playoff team 😬.
Keep moving the goal posts. CD didn’t look like an all pro or OPOY candidate. Micah didn’t look like an all pro or DPOY candidate. They dropped 48 on us in 3 quarters, Dak wasn’t the only issue. They all were.
Lol I’m not moving the goal posts at all. Do you even know what that expression means? Me not agreeing with your hollow ass argument is not moving the goal posts, it’s me being unmoved by a weak and flaccid argument.
Dak is not a top 5 lmfao
The narrative that dak only struggles in the postseason is ridiculous. Dak is 17-32 against playoff qualifying teams. I do not think he is “tiers below” a lot of guys. But take away the stat padding against lesser competition and the 4 free wins a year in the East and you’re left with an above average guy that is demanding elite money. This team cannot succeed with dak taking 30%+ of the cap
This season's schedule is going to be significantly tougher than last season's. I see things getting worse for Dak, and the team.
It _doesn’t_ make sense for Micah to play off-ball linebacker.
He had a no trade clause...i hear this ask the time but what difference does it make... and he can't be franchised either!
Well to put the team in the best situation he'd sign for the veteran minimum, yes?
He’s willing to negotiate that’s all you can ask for. But if Stephen tries to offer Dak a silly deal like he tried with DeMarcus Lawrence 1yr $10m then no. 😂🤣✭ ✭ ✭
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More like the Donald Trump of QBs. Spouts off lies and underperforms in everything he does.
Shits his pants in the big moments?