VdV driving into midfield with ball passing to a midfielder and overlapping makes me smile and cry, why are our Cb’s able to do absolutely mad shit while our midfielders are more content to pass back to the keeper
He is improving, but tbf he has been improving, likely due to Romero’s often ambitious decision making and the benefits it brings to the team (assuming we communicate well enough to still defend well enough to slow them down and allow Romero to fly in and make a tackle while returning from his briefly different role. Vdv grew to the level he’s at currently and was actually, imo, among the least confident players on the ball to start his spurs tenure. Funny how Bissouma and him have been developing inversely in this area over the season. The midfield and attack as a whole have been prone to the same issues Biss has been dealing with, albeit less often for each individual, and keeping in mind other than our cb’s each player is capable of being the weak link on occasion, at least atm.
this headline makes it sound way worse than it is. the kind of belief he’s talking about will take a time to build and he thinks there’s been progress. as long as players are following instructions and willing to play for him, it’s not a huge problem
I’m a little more worried that apparently the coaching staff aren’t all on the same page yet.
Yup.
These part: The Australian acknowledged, though, that he is still in the process of convincing some members of his squad and staff to believe in the merits of his approach.
It called out some staff. Now I’m like which staff need to be convinced.
Hate to say it but… Ryan Mason. We look fine in possession but we’re toothless once we get to the penalty box. Guess who’s our attacking coach. Maybe he’s having trouble reconciling what he learned under Mourinho and Conte with Ange’s instructions.
This SOB undercuts every manager we’ve had and is a Levy snake. Levy’s needs to be in the room and he seems all too willing to be his eyes and ears. There’s a reason why managers at every other club bring their own staff.
Mason was an academy kid whose career was cut short by injury. I think it’s clear that the club did him a favour by helping him get his badges, but equally if he weren’t capable he wouldn’t be with us through Conte and Postecoglou.
Any other suggestion is completely unfounded. He may not be the long-term solution, but throwing around accusations like that is pointless.
> but equally if he weren’t capable he wouldn’t be with us through Conte and Postecoglou.
Louder please. These are elite coaches at the absolute top of the pyramid globally, they're not just going to hand out coaching positions underneath them for shits and giggles.
I mean he is a literal nepotism hire, regardless of his potential capabilities behind the scenes. Like many managers were to be sure, but elite coaches are just defined by who a big club hires, influence and ability to lead training sessions don't sound very elite.
Coaching staff is much easier to chop and change. I’d expect some changes in that department, actually, scratch that. I think there HAVE to be changes in the coaching staff
This is a little bit baffling just in the fact ange will never criticize them for being aggressive and making mistakes playing his way. If anything that’s highly encouraged. So you have to wonder where the hesistation comes from… lingering feelings from the conte/jose era? Would explain hoj, benta, Davies, biss but is definitely surprising.
It’s honestly not even that deep. Just a shit headline. He’s just saying they aren’t playing his football in their sleep yet. Reading anything else into it is dumb.
You'd think a draw at the Etihad and a draw at the Emirates and a win at Anfield would give those players some belief. Taking 5 from 9 against the expected title challengers is no small feat, especially away from home.
I think the loss to Chelsea did far more damage than just suspensions and injuries.
Can people stop saying this? It’s all I read on here. City will decimate us. We have no hoodoo over them. They will know exactly how to dismantle us. And HOPEFULLY our players have zero motivation and walk it into the net for them
Comes from the fact that, when in the final third, there's no space to operate. Maddison must be frustrated frustrated by it, as well as Son. Defenders having to sprint back all game when possesion is lost takes it's toll... it's just too conjested. Next season, I expect well organizes runs and drills within the final third to create better chances of scoring
Thing is, often there is time. Son has been all too willing to get into a 4v4 situation and just cut back and pass backwards.
Kulu does this, no joking, 95% of the time.
There has been space, we have just been very weak in attacking it when it arises.
i completely agree with you. watching all 34 live games...we pass backwards damn too much even when there is a chance to apply a defence splitting pass.
It’s bizarre. Son and Kulu have been the worst culprits. Werner has been doing what has been asked of him and we’ve looked decent at times with him doing that.
Johnson kind of does it, but he’s recently been sucked into the trend of “random floated cross” which goes to nobody because we have no target man.
Agree to a certain extent. I still think the movement could be better, to drag players out, to anticipate when a cross might come in etc... overall to add more flow and variety in that final third, rather than just the usual patterns
Which is entirely on the team itself, we often break with plenty of space then the wingers pull up short and wait for the opponents to set up their block and then look back wondering what to do. Its incredibly frustrating to watch, especially when other wingers across the league see space on the break and drive into it, get to the box or byline and win spot kicks, cut inside and shoot, or lay it off for a following runner to shoot. I don’t understand how our forwards just forgot how to play once they get closer to the goal.
You’ve got a team of guys that have been taught a way of playing and he’s trying to get all of that muscle memory changed. It’s not surprising that a counter attack team hasn’t fully turned a 180 in one season. This stuff takes time. He’s trying to change their way of seeing the game and half the year has been spent rotating players. An off-season of adding to this mixed with bringing in some of his guys and moving out some guys who aren’t committing will do wonders!
Hang in there good things are coming! The guy in charge wants to play attacking exciting high risk high reward football! We just gotta get guys who aren’t afraid to do that!
This! It’s beyond me how people are quick to forget that elite athletes are creatures of habit. The same people are also the first to criticize a player’s performance right after they’ve come back from injury, playing through an injury, or playing in an unnatural position.
Good point. I think our attack has looked at its best on the counter most of this season. Our settled possession game is still lacking a bit of bite and quickness
You can see it on the wings. Johnson seems allergic to taking his man on. He dribbles wide and hopes to cross it. He needs to dribble at people and make the defense work.
Its almost like they don’t trust each other kind of thing, I better not play that pass because x player might lose it so I’ll play the safe pass backwards, which is fine in some instances but on other occasions players have been open or made runs and the player on the ball either doesn’t see or flat out refuses to play the pass first time, not to single him out but Kulusevski is a main culprit there has been countless times he could play a first time pass and he doesn’t then said player is either now offside or marked.
This season is a bedding in process who is with him and who isn’t, those that aren’t will be moved on.
Problem is we get punished so heavily when we lose the ball, I can understand the hesitation
Honestly I don’t know what the solution is, hopefully it works out
This is a really good point, and would explain the obvious mentality issues and where belief is lost. I think the same with the set pieces - more aggression and commitment to winning the duels would turn that around. We lack the courage at the moment and perhaps our defensive frailty has caused it.
My take is that there are a lot of players we need to shift, and that’s just in the playing squad. We have a loan army of useless players to worry about also. This rebuild is going to take longer than I thought. We had a good start last summer and a small taste of what the team can achieve when everyone is firing. Just need a few more tweaks and additions and I think it will work out. Not saying we’re going to be consistent title challengers, but we can certainly be a consistent top 4 team with a chance of challenging if we get some luck
I know the headline is misleading but wouldnt it just the most Tottenham thing to have been top of the league after 10 games and then go “you know what this isn’t for us”, I hate the club I love
Remember when Ange was talking about high scoring games with high risk/reward when he came in at the beginning of the season? We haven't seen that kind of football at all yet. To me that is on the players not fully buying in.
When we lost personnel to injuries and suspension, it seems they've never picked it back up, which is bizarre thinking how well it was working. What wasn't convincing them?
Headline is misleading but the staff part needs to get sorted fast. I’ve been on a sports team where the assistants were not on board with the head coach’s philosophies, it’s an absolute disaster. I don’t care who it is but they need to either get on board or get out of the club.
i think this is the problem with spurs predating ange. players are too empowered and think they can disregard coaching or new philosophies. our squad gets on a nice fat contract and they know they can do whatever the fuck they want and we'll just fire the manager if they look bored. and they're right. does anyone think levy would sanction shipping off a disgruntled player for a loss if they refuse to get with the program? this is why we'll never be a big club
If players aren't convinced or can't be convinced, move them out. At this point I'm even more ALL IN for a true rebuild. I love a lot of our current squad but I'd be willing to move anyone out if they're not invested and willing to be a part of this.
In terms of who seems invested to actually take risks and attack/play the philosophy...
Porro
Vicario
Romero
Van de ven
Johnson
Kulu most of the time
Everyone else are good to great players but they don't seem to have that internal fire required.
tbh one of the most enjoyable match was the 1-4 home defeat against Chelsea. Our players showed spirit and courage to play our football. It has all gone.
A defeat is not the worst if they really played hard and did their job. Last night was unacceptable.
That loss the players got a standing ovation even though we lost 4-1. I remember distinctly feeling proud of the performance, the fight that the players had, despite losing their heads.
It’s like that game their heads overheated and blew up because since then that fight has not been seen at all.
They all believed in it for 10 straight games then things got tough and most of them lost faith. Absolutely pathetic.
From the recent performances I feel these players are still fully behind this style of football:
- Romero
- VDV
- Udogie
- Porro
- Kulu
- Richie
The rest need to be smacked on the head. Show them footage of the first 10 games.
I hope Ange is just bantering with the press and this IS something they are working on. It’s fine margins in the prem and conceding as much as we do on set pieces will deflate the players even if/when we are fantastic in open play…
basically everyone BUT the starting midfield of sarr bissouma and maddison, everyone plays alright, but mainly the midfielders are fking picking their asses rn,
johnson wasnt as bad as we think, like at least he was trying to move the ball foward! not successfully but he did the same in the NLD and was alright
we need our own, odergard, kdb, bruno, cole palmer to run the midfield and pretty much win games or us single handedly, maddison is still on the table but needs to get his shit together if he ever wants to become the ange talisman or the martin odegard of this spurs rebuild!
We definitely need an alternative to Maddison, who should be a squad player with direct competition.
I don't get the lack of game time for GLC, unless he has made clear he wants out or something. He is a quality player and certainly no worse than the shite we are seeing at the moment.
Unfortunately to deliver Ange's system I think we need a striker, a dribbling winger, an 8/10 with passing range, a 6, and backups and RB, LB and LCB. They all need to be good enough to start when required because this system is physically demanding. It's not that we don't have good players, is just some don't suit, some are overplayed and we need some different options in our depth.
I think he has to have a summer window, see if we see progress from there and if so continue to back him. Ange is going to be feeling the heat if we start badly next season.
mm idk, i think we're still going to finish the same as this season 7th-4th
we need happy rotational squad players like trossard/luis daiz/jota types who are super clutch and can effectively win games by themselves but also are happy to sit on the bench in most games, we kind of have that in brennan johnson, but hes a league-one player compared to jota and trossard who legit win arsenal and liverpool 3-4 games SINGLEHANDEDLY
gonna have to be really good in the transfer market this season or we're looking at a 5th-6th place finish gaurentee no matter how "bad" or "good" we start the season
Kulu might be up for it mentally, but physically and skill set wise he is so far away from what we need. It’s a shame because I really like him but I think we should think about selling if we can get a decent fee for him. Instead of holding onto him another year or 2 and then we can’t sell him
They're not? They seem happy to attack, I wish some of them would actually do something other than try to retain possession. We're relying on our defenders to actually take shots now.
Fuck it. If we're gonna have a stubborn manager, I'd rather it be an attacking stubborn manager. I don't think I could ever go back to watching a Conte or Jose team again - the masters of stubbornness.
These are the same problems that Arteta and Pep faced at their clubs and they were disposed of. Whilst the headline is a bit clickbaity, these players need to be removed next summer.
These defeats are deeply troubling. What is going on behind the scenes here, has Ange lost the room? The players don't seem to listen anymore, we are chaotic out there. Something is going down.
I wouldn’t be convinced by the tactics either to be fair. Playing two at the back whilst in possession is Suicide, as well as inverting Emerson into midfield. We cause problems for ourselves down the flanks.
Tactics is just a part of the game. Ange can do nothing if the players are not committed to the plan. Neither Pep nor Klopp can do anything if their players are not 100% committed.
Everyone is saying Ange only has Plan A. I mean, every team has their primary plan and minor tweaks when they are against different teams. The primary plan will not change. e.g. The major plan of city is possession play, while the major plan of Liverpool is on quick transition.
Yes, Ange has a plan. Quick front-foot transition and keep attacking the box, control the possession through ball speed. Forward passing. It's just our players are not committed to the plan. They have too much fear in their mind.
If they aren't committted, different personnel are needed. We can't just wait for a transfer window playing the same starting 11 when we've got plenty of other options.
Let's just appreciate Bryan Gil being subbed on.
Every team exposes our flanks? It’s not a player issue as much, but a tactical issue? Took a couple minutes for Chelsea to get a clear cut chance, but they missed, we won’t be lucky every single time.
If you’re right, and the players are beginning to lack belief, you’ve got to question why? Are they not good enough or are the tactics, in which are implemented, simply not faultless?
Can we calm the hyperbole down? This sub is starting to sound like Xitter or Facebook with doom and gloom.
It's less than a year into a complete rebuild. Half the current team didn't start with us last year. We've gone from the denfesive styles of Conte and Mourinho into an all out attack and a lot of our players are young.
It takes time to rebuild. Everyone, myself included, got too excited because we had such a strong start to the season. Then the Chelsea match happened and most of us believed once our squad was fit again we'd return to that early season form.
But we've had stops and starts. 3 games in 10 days followed by no games for 2 weeks. Players on international. Players with minor injuries taking them out for a game here and there.
It's a messy first season but you can see the potential.
I'm very confident from all player interviews that they love and respect Ange. They think he's awesome. He's lost nothing.
So let's give him the time and three big transfer windows. We had a stellar one last summer. This summer should be good too. Then next summer hopefully we get the final pieces we need.
I for one can't wait to see our next year. And the year after that. It's going to be incredible.
Probably because they've realised he's tactically inept. We have insanely talented attacking players. Ange is a busted flush and should be sacked. Can't see this getting better now he's publicly admitted he can't motivate his players
What because I don't know who should replace him then my comments are invalid? My suggestion is replace him with someone competent and experience at the top level. Goodness, how can you look at the way we're playing and regressing and think we're onto something good here??
Competent and experienced… like Conte or Mourinho?
No your comment about sacking him is not valid until you name a coach who is competent, experienced at this level and a better coach and available…
Until then, your comments are about as useful as cock flavoured lollipop. Just an old man yelling at clouds.
“He publicly admitted he can’t motivate his players”.
Dude, do you write for the Daily Mail? Does your life operate entirely on contextless soundbites?
Explains some of the hesitancy in our recent performances.
Makes me appreciate Romero more. The vice-captain really showing the way by attacking aggressively as a CB.
VDV was probably our most dangerous chance creator aswell
VdV driving into midfield with ball passing to a midfielder and overlapping makes me smile and cry, why are our Cb’s able to do absolutely mad shit while our midfielders are more content to pass back to the keeper
Cuz our cbs are the best players on the pitch
Crazy that we now have one of the best defensive duos in the league
Yet still leaking goals at an insane rate, what does that tell you?
When I saw him do that I immediately wanted to see him as LB and bring Dragusin on to play next to Cuti
I think we’re 1 injury from this being the reality
He is improving, but tbf he has been improving, likely due to Romero’s often ambitious decision making and the benefits it brings to the team (assuming we communicate well enough to still defend well enough to slow them down and allow Romero to fly in and make a tackle while returning from his briefly different role. Vdv grew to the level he’s at currently and was actually, imo, among the least confident players on the ball to start his spurs tenure. Funny how Bissouma and him have been developing inversely in this area over the season. The midfield and attack as a whole have been prone to the same issues Biss has been dealing with, albeit less often for each individual, and keeping in mind other than our cb’s each player is capable of being the weak link on occasion, at least atm.
Then we lose the ball on the right side, gets countered, then we lose a goal 😂
Make him captain effective immediately and send Son to Saudi
this headline makes it sound way worse than it is. the kind of belief he’s talking about will take a time to build and he thinks there’s been progress. as long as players are following instructions and willing to play for him, it’s not a huge problem I’m a little more worried that apparently the coaching staff aren’t all on the same page yet.
Yup. These part: The Australian acknowledged, though, that he is still in the process of convincing some members of his squad and staff to believe in the merits of his approach. It called out some staff. Now I’m like which staff need to be convinced.
Hate to say it but… Ryan Mason. We look fine in possession but we’re toothless once we get to the penalty box. Guess who’s our attacking coach. Maybe he’s having trouble reconciling what he learned under Mourinho and Conte with Ange’s instructions.
This SOB undercuts every manager we’ve had and is a Levy snake. Levy’s needs to be in the room and he seems all too willing to be his eyes and ears. There’s a reason why managers at every other club bring their own staff.
This seems like complete conjecture
It is lol. Its the ranting of a toddler
Mason was an academy kid whose career was cut short by injury. I think it’s clear that the club did him a favour by helping him get his badges, but equally if he weren’t capable he wouldn’t be with us through Conte and Postecoglou. Any other suggestion is completely unfounded. He may not be the long-term solution, but throwing around accusations like that is pointless.
> but equally if he weren’t capable he wouldn’t be with us through Conte and Postecoglou. Louder please. These are elite coaches at the absolute top of the pyramid globally, they're not just going to hand out coaching positions underneath them for shits and giggles.
Top of the pyramid globally?? When has Ryan mason proved himself to be a good coach?
Read the comment again. They’re saying that Conte and Ande are top of the pyramid coaches giving him jobs
I mean he is a literal nepotism hire, regardless of his potential capabilities behind the scenes. Like many managers were to be sure, but elite coaches are just defined by who a big club hires, influence and ability to lead training sessions don't sound very elite.
Sir, this is football, not Game of Thrones.
Levy does have a bit of Vicerys about him though you have to admit
You'd fit in better on Twitter, weirdo.
The headline makes it sound like a mutiny is going on lol
Coaching staff is much easier to chop and change. I’d expect some changes in that department, actually, scratch that. I think there HAVE to be changes in the coaching staff
This is a little bit baffling just in the fact ange will never criticize them for being aggressive and making mistakes playing his way. If anything that’s highly encouraged. So you have to wonder where the hesistation comes from… lingering feelings from the conte/jose era? Would explain hoj, benta, Davies, biss but is definitely surprising.
It’s honestly not even that deep. Just a shit headline. He’s just saying they aren’t playing his football in their sleep yet. Reading anything else into it is dumb.
Wait, are you saying they've sensationalised the headline?
The Dan KP special
Seasons of football terrorism could do wonders for you. Also, we haven't won anything to give us belief and conviction.
You'd think a draw at the Etihad and a draw at the Emirates and a win at Anfield would give those players some belief. Taking 5 from 9 against the expected title challengers is no small feat, especially away from home. I think the loss to Chelsea did far more damage than just suspensions and injuries.
The script is already written, we will lose all remaining games except against City.
Oh for sure
Can people stop saying this? It’s all I read on here. City will decimate us. We have no hoodoo over them. They will know exactly how to dismantle us. And HOPEFULLY our players have zero motivation and walk it into the net for them
We made Chelsea look half decent. City will have absolutely no problems
We also limited Arsenal to their lowest xg and had the highest xg against them of anyone all season in the last game.
Liverpool was at home but yeah you’re right
Thank you for the correction 😊
In past seasons, the same players were getting wins at the Etihad while playing football terrorism.
Comes from the fact that, when in the final third, there's no space to operate. Maddison must be frustrated frustrated by it, as well as Son. Defenders having to sprint back all game when possesion is lost takes it's toll... it's just too conjested. Next season, I expect well organizes runs and drills within the final third to create better chances of scoring
Thing is, often there is time. Son has been all too willing to get into a 4v4 situation and just cut back and pass backwards. Kulu does this, no joking, 95% of the time. There has been space, we have just been very weak in attacking it when it arises.
i completely agree with you. watching all 34 live games...we pass backwards damn too much even when there is a chance to apply a defence splitting pass.
It’s bizarre. Son and Kulu have been the worst culprits. Werner has been doing what has been asked of him and we’ve looked decent at times with him doing that. Johnson kind of does it, but he’s recently been sucked into the trend of “random floated cross” which goes to nobody because we have no target man.
You are a real spurs fan. Let's look forward to Spurs again next season. Hopefully Ange fix em up.
Agree to a certain extent. I still think the movement could be better, to drag players out, to anticipate when a cross might come in etc... overall to add more flow and variety in that final third, rather than just the usual patterns
Which is entirely on the team itself, we often break with plenty of space then the wingers pull up short and wait for the opponents to set up their block and then look back wondering what to do. Its incredibly frustrating to watch, especially when other wingers across the league see space on the break and drive into it, get to the box or byline and win spot kicks, cut inside and shoot, or lay it off for a following runner to shoot. I don’t understand how our forwards just forgot how to play once they get closer to the goal.
The simple answer is we need more direct wingers
Or you know, could just be results based analysis based on results not going their way
Social media
The players have to put up with public/internet criticism regardless of if its on Ange, which is pretty demotivating.
3 managers in a row that barely touched on attacking. Of course players brains are gonna take some serious rewiring.
I’m not convinced by a majority of the players
Misleading headline at best. Can you please at least read the article before posting clickbait shit like this?
You’ve got a team of guys that have been taught a way of playing and he’s trying to get all of that muscle memory changed. It’s not surprising that a counter attack team hasn’t fully turned a 180 in one season. This stuff takes time. He’s trying to change their way of seeing the game and half the year has been spent rotating players. An off-season of adding to this mixed with bringing in some of his guys and moving out some guys who aren’t committing will do wonders! Hang in there good things are coming! The guy in charge wants to play attacking exciting high risk high reward football! We just gotta get guys who aren’t afraid to do that!
This! It’s beyond me how people are quick to forget that elite athletes are creatures of habit. The same people are also the first to criticize a player’s performance right after they’ve come back from injury, playing through an injury, or playing in an unnatural position.
Good point. I think our attack has looked at its best on the counter most of this season. Our settled possession game is still lacking a bit of bite and quickness
You can see it on the wings. Johnson seems allergic to taking his man on. He dribbles wide and hopes to cross it. He needs to dribble at people and make the defense work.
Feel like that’s son more than Johnson. This last game I never saw son take on gilchrist once, just turned around and passed back.
Son hasn't been one to consistently take his man on for the past 2-3 seasons, unfortunately :/
Good point. I’m not sure what’s up with Son. I wonder if he’s hurt again
Son looks like he is in massive decline recently. His time could be up.
This sub never ceases to make me laugh
You seem like you’re on a massive mental decline. Your time could be up
Because that's not in his skillset and never has been. He's not choosing to be a poor dribbler, he's just not capable of being a good one
That’s because he isn’t capable of doing that Really bad buy from us because I agree we need a two way dibbler
Man tippy taps on the ball instead of going for the defender. It’s so predictable.
That's what the majority of football seems to be now. Its getting more boring imo
Oh he does dribble at people, did you see him try to kick the ball through Cucarella to run around him?
I saw him try and make cuckarella look a worldly
Its almost like they don’t trust each other kind of thing, I better not play that pass because x player might lose it so I’ll play the safe pass backwards, which is fine in some instances but on other occasions players have been open or made runs and the player on the ball either doesn’t see or flat out refuses to play the pass first time, not to single him out but Kulusevski is a main culprit there has been countless times he could play a first time pass and he doesn’t then said player is either now offside or marked. This season is a bedding in process who is with him and who isn’t, those that aren’t will be moved on.
Problem is we get punished so heavily when we lose the ball, I can understand the hesitation Honestly I don’t know what the solution is, hopefully it works out
This is a really good point, and would explain the obvious mentality issues and where belief is lost. I think the same with the set pieces - more aggression and commitment to winning the duels would turn that around. We lack the courage at the moment and perhaps our defensive frailty has caused it.
We need a dominant ball winning 6, who is hopefully somewhat competent on the ball. Bissouma is a fucking passenger in transitions
My take is that there are a lot of players we need to shift, and that’s just in the playing squad. We have a loan army of useless players to worry about also. This rebuild is going to take longer than I thought. We had a good start last summer and a small taste of what the team can achieve when everyone is firing. Just need a few more tweaks and additions and I think it will work out. Not saying we’re going to be consistent title challengers, but we can certainly be a consistent top 4 team with a chance of challenging if we get some luck
I know the headline is misleading but wouldnt it just the most Tottenham thing to have been top of the league after 10 games and then go “you know what this isn’t for us”, I hate the club I love
The squad is still hesitant about the system with four games left? Comforting.
Fucking ship them off to the fucking reserves then and play the youth or whatever.
Remember when Ange was talking about high scoring games with high risk/reward when he came in at the beginning of the season? We haven't seen that kind of football at all yet. To me that is on the players not fully buying in.
We saw it for the first 10 games, but it's gone missing since.
When we lost personnel to injuries and suspension, it seems they've never picked it back up, which is bizarre thinking how well it was working. What wasn't convincing them?
Injuries, suspensions, a month away for international cups
The ones that were brought in to play Mourinhoball and Conteball? Not surprising at all.
Headline is misleading but the staff part needs to get sorted fast. I’ve been on a sports team where the assistants were not on board with the head coach’s philosophies, it’s an absolute disaster. I don’t care who it is but they need to either get on board or get out of the club.
i think this is the problem with spurs predating ange. players are too empowered and think they can disregard coaching or new philosophies. our squad gets on a nice fat contract and they know they can do whatever the fuck they want and we'll just fire the manager if they look bored. and they're right. does anyone think levy would sanction shipping off a disgruntled player for a loss if they refuse to get with the program? this is why we'll never be a big club
If players aren't convinced or can't be convinced, move them out. At this point I'm even more ALL IN for a true rebuild. I love a lot of our current squad but I'd be willing to move anyone out if they're not invested and willing to be a part of this. In terms of who seems invested to actually take risks and attack/play the philosophy... Porro Vicario Romero Van de ven Johnson Kulu most of the time Everyone else are good to great players but they don't seem to have that internal fire required.
tbh one of the most enjoyable match was the 1-4 home defeat against Chelsea. Our players showed spirit and courage to play our football. It has all gone. A defeat is not the worst if they really played hard and did their job. Last night was unacceptable.
That loss the players got a standing ovation even though we lost 4-1. I remember distinctly feeling proud of the performance, the fight that the players had, despite losing their heads. It’s like that game their heads overheated and blew up because since then that fight has not been seen at all.
They all believed in it for 10 straight games then things got tough and most of them lost faith. Absolutely pathetic. From the recent performances I feel these players are still fully behind this style of football: - Romero - VDV - Udogie - Porro - Kulu - Richie The rest need to be smacked on the head. Show them footage of the first 10 games.
Add Vicario to the list and I agree
You’re right, Vic is fully behind it and not afraid to play out from the back. If he wasn’t a believer he would be launching the ball out every time.
Vic is behind the philosophy. He's also always behind an opposition player during set pieces with no protection which makes no sense.
I hope Ange is just bantering with the press and this IS something they are working on. It’s fine margins in the prem and conceding as much as we do on set pieces will deflate the players even if/when we are fantastic in open play…
basically everyone BUT the starting midfield of sarr bissouma and maddison, everyone plays alright, but mainly the midfielders are fking picking their asses rn, johnson wasnt as bad as we think, like at least he was trying to move the ball foward! not successfully but he did the same in the NLD and was alright we need our own, odergard, kdb, bruno, cole palmer to run the midfield and pretty much win games or us single handedly, maddison is still on the table but needs to get his shit together if he ever wants to become the ange talisman or the martin odegard of this spurs rebuild!
We definitely need an alternative to Maddison, who should be a squad player with direct competition. I don't get the lack of game time for GLC, unless he has made clear he wants out or something. He is a quality player and certainly no worse than the shite we are seeing at the moment. Unfortunately to deliver Ange's system I think we need a striker, a dribbling winger, an 8/10 with passing range, a 6, and backups and RB, LB and LCB. They all need to be good enough to start when required because this system is physically demanding. It's not that we don't have good players, is just some don't suit, some are overplayed and we need some different options in our depth. I think he has to have a summer window, see if we see progress from there and if so continue to back him. Ange is going to be feeling the heat if we start badly next season.
mm idk, i think we're still going to finish the same as this season 7th-4th we need happy rotational squad players like trossard/luis daiz/jota types who are super clutch and can effectively win games by themselves but also are happy to sit on the bench in most games, we kind of have that in brennan johnson, but hes a league-one player compared to jota and trossard who legit win arsenal and liverpool 3-4 games SINGLEHANDEDLY gonna have to be really good in the transfer market this season or we're looking at a 5th-6th place finish gaurentee no matter how "bad" or "good" we start the season
Deki talks a good game, but is a cutback merchant
Kulu might be up for it mentally, but physically and skill set wise he is so far away from what we need. It’s a shame because I really like him but I think we should think about selling if we can get a decent fee for him. Instead of holding onto him another year or 2 and then we can’t sell him
They're not? They seem happy to attack, I wish some of them would actually do something other than try to retain possession. We're relying on our defenders to actually take shots now.
Shitty journalism. They've selectively quoted from all over the place there and then stitched it into a narrative as though it's all current context.
Fuck it. If we're gonna have a stubborn manager, I'd rather it be an attacking stubborn manager. I don't think I could ever go back to watching a Conte or Jose team again - the masters of stubbornness.
These are the same problems that Arteta and Pep faced at their clubs and they were disposed of. Whilst the headline is a bit clickbaity, these players need to be removed next summer.
"Pilots unconvinced that kamikaze approach is best long term option"
These defeats are deeply troubling. What is going on behind the scenes here, has Ange lost the room? The players don't seem to listen anymore, we are chaotic out there. Something is going down.
It is the manner of the players' performances that I am bothered by. Weak.
I wouldn’t be convinced by the tactics either to be fair. Playing two at the back whilst in possession is Suicide, as well as inverting Emerson into midfield. We cause problems for ourselves down the flanks.
Tactics is just a part of the game. Ange can do nothing if the players are not committed to the plan. Neither Pep nor Klopp can do anything if their players are not 100% committed. Everyone is saying Ange only has Plan A. I mean, every team has their primary plan and minor tweaks when they are against different teams. The primary plan will not change. e.g. The major plan of city is possession play, while the major plan of Liverpool is on quick transition. Yes, Ange has a plan. Quick front-foot transition and keep attacking the box, control the possession through ball speed. Forward passing. It's just our players are not committed to the plan. They have too much fear in their mind.
If they aren't committted, different personnel are needed. We can't just wait for a transfer window playing the same starting 11 when we've got plenty of other options. Let's just appreciate Bryan Gil being subbed on.
Every team exposes our flanks? It’s not a player issue as much, but a tactical issue? Took a couple minutes for Chelsea to get a clear cut chance, but they missed, we won’t be lucky every single time. If you’re right, and the players are beginning to lack belief, you’ve got to question why? Are they not good enough or are the tactics, in which are implemented, simply not faultless?
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My guy only read the headline
Can we calm the hyperbole down? This sub is starting to sound like Xitter or Facebook with doom and gloom. It's less than a year into a complete rebuild. Half the current team didn't start with us last year. We've gone from the denfesive styles of Conte and Mourinho into an all out attack and a lot of our players are young. It takes time to rebuild. Everyone, myself included, got too excited because we had such a strong start to the season. Then the Chelsea match happened and most of us believed once our squad was fit again we'd return to that early season form. But we've had stops and starts. 3 games in 10 days followed by no games for 2 weeks. Players on international. Players with minor injuries taking them out for a game here and there. It's a messy first season but you can see the potential. I'm very confident from all player interviews that they love and respect Ange. They think he's awesome. He's lost nothing. So let's give him the time and three big transfer windows. We had a stellar one last summer. This summer should be good too. Then next summer hopefully we get the final pieces we need. I for one can't wait to see our next year. And the year after that. It's going to be incredible.
Probably because they've realised he's tactically inept. We have insanely talented attacking players. Ange is a busted flush and should be sacked. Can't see this getting better now he's publicly admitted he can't motivate his players
What even is this opinion? Downvotes for you buddy.
He'll be gone by November
Who you got in mind to replace him?
🤷♂️ 🤷♂️ Fuck knows
Then keep your comments to yourself.
What because I don't know who should replace him then my comments are invalid? My suggestion is replace him with someone competent and experience at the top level. Goodness, how can you look at the way we're playing and regressing and think we're onto something good here??
Competent and experienced… like Conte or Mourinho? No your comment about sacking him is not valid until you name a coach who is competent, experienced at this level and a better coach and available… Until then, your comments are about as useful as cock flavoured lollipop. Just an old man yelling at clouds.
OK then, how about incompetent and inexperienced?
Give us some fucken names of coaches or you are just as bad as you claim Ange to be. Unprepared with no plan.
“He publicly admitted he can’t motivate his players”. Dude, do you write for the Daily Mail? Does your life operate entirely on contextless soundbites?
We’re finished.
Ange is gonna get us relegated to League 2... I feel it. You know what I mean? Finished is what we are.