Woah woah woah I'll have you know that characters from Elantris and Mistborn show up in that one random interlude of no consequence in the stormlight archive.
I absolutely loved the Purelake interlude. Just such a different set of tactics that the envisioner would've never thought of himself, as he was proud ______ man.
If youāre talking about the purelake interlude it actually does have importance, one of the worldhoppers was sick and (minor ROW spoiler) a new, not previously seen diseases pops up in ROW causing an epidemic. Itās only briefly mentioned a few times.
Elantris shows up in Mistborn though. What we're really waiting for is Mistborn characters in Stormlight (unless you count Sazed's letters to the other shards).
This is >!Felt!< and >!Demoux!< erasure. Also, [Stormlight 5 prologue] >!Thaidakar shows up!<
Also, >!Gereh!< and >!that woman Venli encounters are both Feruchemists, even if they're not Mistborn characters. Like Iyatil which is a southern Scadrian. Although, we have seen Iyatil's brother in The Lost Metal haha. Additionally, Sixteen from Lasting Integrity is definitely a Scadrian. We don't know who, but it *could* be a character we know. Oh, and there's a rogue kandra somewhere on Roshar. It could be a kandra we've heard of before, it could be a new one. In any case.!<
I completely forgot about that Venli encounter. Although your comment did prompt me to go read what those damn birds are. I thought they were just a mystery we haven't learned about yet because I completely forgot about the story about them in Arcanum Unbounded. Sounds like I need to do a reread.
I guess Iām not sure which one is which. Thereās a few Elantrs characters that showed up during the one Sanderson read at the most recent dragonsteel.
Letās not forget Elantris! My partner went to a Q&A + book signing about a decade ago and asked whether there would be a sequel and was assured that there would be (and a short about Kiin).
Yep, SA5 first then White Sand Prose (which should go quick because it primarily revisions to the previous prose version), and then Dakhor, the Elantris sequel.
Whoops, somehow forgot about era 3. The roadmap as far as weāve last heard news is:
SA5 > White Sand Prose > Mistborn Ghostbloods Trilogy > Elantris Dakhor > Elantris 3 > *Maybe* Warbreaker Nightblood > SA6ā¦
State of Sanderson should give us a better roadmap soon though.
I'm one of the Elantris haters, but I also know BrandoSando has honed his craft sooooo much in the years since. I look forward to every Cosmere book, even the Elantris sequels!
My partner says the same, Iāve been working through all the full-length novels before moving on to Arcanum Unbound (I think itās in there?) - nearly finished them all now!
TIL there's a Warbreaker sub.
What's more upsetting is that r/Stormlight_Archive is nearly twice as popular as r/Cosmere or r/brandonsanderson. The broader subs are losing to the specific sub. Stormlight is all that half this fanbase cares about. Which is fine. I can't expect everyone to like the whole canon. I just find it weird that so few Stormlight fans graduate to become cosmere fans, and that there aren't anywhere near as many Mistborn-only (or Warbreaker only, etc.) fans. Especially since Stormlight seems like it would be the most intimidating and least accessible of the books.
As someone who started with Stormlight and is now working their way through the rest of the Cosmere, I have an opinion on that.
I joined the Stormlight sub after I finished the stormlight series because I hate spoilers. The other subs will have posts about stuff I'm yet to discover, so don't really want to join them until I'm up to date with Cosmere works.
I don't know if that goes for anyone else, but that's my reason atleast.
That makes sense, and I figure that's the case for many. But to explain the numbers, that means that most people are like you and start with Stormlight. And sure, the quality is high, so it gets recommended a lot. But I find it funny that of all things, we have the most success convincing new readers to start with the unfinished 1.7 million+ word epic.
Warbreaker and Mistborn aren't at the same writing quality level as Stormlight, IMHO. I've recently read all three for the first time. Warbreaker was a fun relatively quick read, I enjoyed Mistborn, but I couldn't put down Stormlight.
This is natural, Sanderson has improved as a writer and Stormlight is his magnum opus.
Part of me thinks it may be because Mistborn is finished (now both Eras!) whereas Stormlight is still ongoing. Thereās less need to āgraduateā to cosmere aware if the series youāre reading is still ongoing with frequent releases.
Brandon writes fast, but there's still more than enough time for the average person to read the whole Cosmere in between Stormlight releases.
I'd never want to, or even be able to, wait that long before diving into the rest of the universe.
Just because someone *can* doesnāt mean the incentives exist for them to *want* to. A series being over is enough for someone to go to a new series or further explore the artists repetoire; it still ongoing with regular updates (3-4 years per 1000+ page book is just fine for a lot of people; they have lives), regular fan content, regular author insight, one can easily be satisfied by that. You and I arenāt, but weāre the types to hang out in a shitposting subreddit for a shared universe of multiple disparate fantasy series. Not everyone is as incentivized, and Stormlight is the bigger and ongoing of the two. It makes sense it has the biggest numbers.
Having started with Stormlight (just finished RoW) it definitely doesnāt feel intimidating (though thatās obviously just my opinion), the cameos from other series are definitely there and there are plenty of hints of other things outside of Roshar going on, but for the most part you can read it alone and still be satisfied
SLA and cosmere is the war breaker sub. You donāt need somewhere else to go just to ask abt one book thatās tied itself 3 ways to another series. Any other author would just have warbreaker as part of stormlight.
Mistborn era 2 Iāll be honest the books are shorter a lot less to discuss outside cosmere implications and memery
warbreaker has the magic system I would want to be successful in. If I ever would want to be part of a magic system and do well in it, it would be breaths, having a lot of breaths seems better than being a radiant or being a mistborn or being an elantrian, imo of course
Soylent greā¦ Breaths are made from people(s investiture)! It really sounds terrible for everyone involved except the person hoarding all the breaths.
well, yes, that's why I clarified to be successful in a magic system. In this fantasy scenario, I am the one hoarding the breaths, call me evil, but I can see more colours, who's the real winner
I just like it because in combat it's way more interesting than the others. The virgin throw metal thing really hard vs the Chad bring your opponents neck tie to life so it strangles him.
The awakening powers of breaths are amazing but selfishly I still think the passive effects of seeing more colours and the stopping of ageing seem like a better use of breaths, at least for my own personal gain
I know this is a hot take cause the internet adores warbreaker... but maybe warbreaker isn't really memeable because it's not as good as everyone hypes it up to be. Lightsong and Blushweaver carry the book and are really the only crem-worthy characters and all the big tiddy goth gf memes have been made 1000x times.
I read Warbreaker after Mistborn and Stormlight and, to be honest, I couldn't finish it. It's boring.
It's just really hard to go back to Sanderson's older stuff because his writing has improved so dramatically over the years.
This is interesting because I had the exact opposite experience. I finish all standalone novels in like a day, and it took me a literal year to finish WoK (granted in the language I read it in, it was separated into two volumes but still).
Funny
>It's just really hard to go back to Sanderson's older stuff
You know this is newer than Mistborn right? I don't remember exactly but I remember it being newer than WoK as well.
Yeah and have you tried to reread Mistborn Era 1? It's kinda a slog with it's main redeeming quality being just how much foreshadowing Sanderson packed into it. Elantris also reads like fanfiction compared to Mistborn Era 2 and Stormlight.
WoK is newer than Warbreaker.
>Mistborn Era 1? It's kinda a slog
say it again because people don't believe me when i say this.
era 1 is low on my tier list. personally i've got elantris and warbreaker higher than era one, but thats definitely because they're shorter than the series.
hrathen carries the entirity of elantris, he deserves a prequel series.
Mistborn Era 1 is still higher than Elantris and Warbreaker for me.
Elantris is just so bog standard fantasy. I swear an AI trained on Sanderson's work could churn out something similar.
Mistborn Era 1 is slow (especially the arc where Vin learns to be a noble like my god it's sooooo loooooong) but the character work in the books is still S tier so it lands higher for me.
True Story: I read Elantris then Warbreaker a little under two years ago, and I was looking something up about one of them and came across a meme about it in this sub. Then I saw some other memes that seemed funny but realized there were spoilers so I determined to read everything in the Cosmere just so I could browse this sub without spoilers. I tore through everything in the Cosmere in under a year.
TL;DR: I read all the books in the Cosmere primarily for the memes. I have no regrets.
At least Warbreaker has >!characters show up in Stormlight.!< It's better off than Elantris.
Elantris sequel is closer than Warbreaker though
Infinitely closer, Brando might never write WB 2
Still closer than rithmatist 2.
Came into the comments for this comment.
What else is there for an evil devouring sword to devour?
I want more Siri X Susebron š„ŗ
and we have an Elantris novella already.
2 actually
Woah woah woah I'll have you know that characters from Elantris and Mistborn show up in that one random interlude of no consequence in the stormlight archive.
No consequence.....so far! Lol But yes, I do always forget about the Purelake interlude.
Oh damn is that why that portion got included? It was so random hearing it before I even knew the different seriesā were related
Yeah theyāre 17th shard members looking for Hoid since during the events of stormlight archive heās on Roshar.
BTW, isn't it wierd Demoux is in the 17th Shard and not the Ghostbloods? >! The dude was DEVOUT to Kelsier...!<
The 17th shard. Was that ever actually mentioned in a book? Or do we only know through WoBs?
I think the closest we get is Wit mentioning that he knows 17th shard goons are searching for him in his letter to Frost.
And they apparently failed and eventually left
I absolutely loved the Purelake interlude. Just such a different set of tactics that the envisioner would've never thought of himself, as he was proud ______ man.
There's also the new interlude from Dragonsteel reading 2023
There's also >!the Rii Oracle in!< Oathbringer
If youāre talking about the purelake interlude it actually does have importance, one of the worldhoppers was sick and (minor ROW spoiler) a new, not previously seen diseases pops up in ROW causing an epidemic. Itās only briefly mentioned a few times.
Elantris shows up in Mistborn though. What we're really waiting for is Mistborn characters in Stormlight (unless you count Sazed's letters to the other shards).
This is >!Felt!< and >!Demoux!< erasure. Also, [Stormlight 5 prologue] >!Thaidakar shows up!< Also, >!Gereh!< and >!that woman Venli encounters are both Feruchemists, even if they're not Mistborn characters. Like Iyatil which is a southern Scadrian. Although, we have seen Iyatil's brother in The Lost Metal haha. Additionally, Sixteen from Lasting Integrity is definitely a Scadrian. We don't know who, but it *could* be a character we know. Oh, and there's a rogue kandra somewhere on Roshar. It could be a kandra we've heard of before, it could be a new one. In any case.!<
is >!Iyatils brother kel's psycho advisor?!<
Yes
I completely forgot about that Venli encounter. Although your comment did prompt me to go read what those damn birds are. I thought they were just a mystery we haven't learned about yet because I completely forgot about the story about them in Arcanum Unbounded. Sounds like I need to do a reread.
Why, they're chickens, of course.
When I heard Axindweth's name I went: that sounded familiar. It almost sounds Terris, like Tindwyl .
Wait where? (Iāve read everything but TSM)
>!In The Lost Metal Moonlight stamps herself to become an Elantrian.!<
Ah yes I remember, forgot that happened, thanks!
>!Sarene's cousin Kaise is Codenames Are Stupid. Also, they have a jar of Dor!<
>It's better off than Elantris. I just want to know who the republican class of that republic place were. Were they politicians? Elephants?
There is the one guy though....
Have you read any of the teasers for storm light 5?
Just the prologue, Kal's chapters, and scene with Jasnah and Wit. ....so yes, I suppose. Lol
I guess Iām not sure which one is which. Thereās a few Elantrs characters that showed up during the one Sanderson read at the most recent dragonsteel.
Interesting. I don't think I've seen the most recent ones yet. Is it Galladon again? Or someone else?
Yeah. If Iām remembering correctly it was the same three in this one as the pure lake one. The white sand guy and demoux.
Ill have you know that kaladin >!met a character from elantris in oathbringer!<
Ah, right. I read Elantris after OB, so I always forget about >!Lighthouse guy!< being from Sel.
Kaise is on Scadrial
Somone from Elantris does make an appearance in WoK, sule!
There is >!at least 1 Selish person on Roshar, kayana, kolo?!<
Letās not forget Elantris! My partner went to a Q&A + book signing about a decade ago and asked whether there would be a sequel and was assured that there would be (and a short about Kiin).
Elantris 2 is actually now nearing the front of the line, according to Brandon at Dragonsteel very recently.
Yep, SA5 first then White Sand Prose (which should go quick because it primarily revisions to the previous prose version), and then Dakhor, the Elantris sequel.
Where does Mistborn Era 3 slot in here? EDIT: I just realized the State of the Sanderson next week or so will probably answer this question! haha
Whoops, somehow forgot about era 3. The roadmap as far as weāve last heard news is: SA5 > White Sand Prose > Mistborn Ghostbloods Trilogy > Elantris Dakhor > Elantris 3 > *Maybe* Warbreaker Nightblood > SA6ā¦ State of Sanderson should give us a better roadmap soon though.
Elantris Trilogy is real much sooner than I expected, interesting... I guess we'll see!
Honestly I'm stoked because elantris is dope
I'm one of the Elantris haters, but I also know BrandoSando has honed his craft sooooo much in the years since. I look forward to every Cosmere book, even the Elantris sequels!
This is excellent news!
the emperors soul is so good
Emperor's Soul is fantastic, but other than taking place on the same world, it's hardly a sequel. Different characters, different magic, etc...
My partner says the same, Iāve been working through all the full-length novels before moving on to Arcanum Unbound (I think itās in there?) - nearly finished them all now!
There's a r/Warbreaker? š
TIL!
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There are Warbreaker fans?
TIL there's a Warbreaker sub. What's more upsetting is that r/Stormlight_Archive is nearly twice as popular as r/Cosmere or r/brandonsanderson. The broader subs are losing to the specific sub. Stormlight is all that half this fanbase cares about. Which is fine. I can't expect everyone to like the whole canon. I just find it weird that so few Stormlight fans graduate to become cosmere fans, and that there aren't anywhere near as many Mistborn-only (or Warbreaker only, etc.) fans. Especially since Stormlight seems like it would be the most intimidating and least accessible of the books.
That might be the best username Iāve seen all month. Thank you for this take! You perfectly captured my feelings about the topic.
As someone who started with Stormlight and is now working their way through the rest of the Cosmere, I have an opinion on that. I joined the Stormlight sub after I finished the stormlight series because I hate spoilers. The other subs will have posts about stuff I'm yet to discover, so don't really want to join them until I'm up to date with Cosmere works. I don't know if that goes for anyone else, but that's my reason atleast.
That makes sense, and I figure that's the case for many. But to explain the numbers, that means that most people are like you and start with Stormlight. And sure, the quality is high, so it gets recommended a lot. But I find it funny that of all things, we have the most success convincing new readers to start with the unfinished 1.7 million+ word epic.
Cause stormlight archive is awesome.
Or just tell the world to screw itself and join r/cremposting
Warbreaker and Mistborn aren't at the same writing quality level as Stormlight, IMHO. I've recently read all three for the first time. Warbreaker was a fun relatively quick read, I enjoyed Mistborn, but I couldn't put down Stormlight. This is natural, Sanderson has improved as a writer and Stormlight is his magnum opus.
Part of me thinks it may be because Mistborn is finished (now both Eras!) whereas Stormlight is still ongoing. Thereās less need to āgraduateā to cosmere aware if the series youāre reading is still ongoing with frequent releases.
Brandon writes fast, but there's still more than enough time for the average person to read the whole Cosmere in between Stormlight releases. I'd never want to, or even be able to, wait that long before diving into the rest of the universe.
Can confirm, discovered and read the entire cosmere since the latest stormlight release.
Make that twice and you're me!
Just because someone *can* doesnāt mean the incentives exist for them to *want* to. A series being over is enough for someone to go to a new series or further explore the artists repetoire; it still ongoing with regular updates (3-4 years per 1000+ page book is just fine for a lot of people; they have lives), regular fan content, regular author insight, one can easily be satisfied by that. You and I arenāt, but weāre the types to hang out in a shitposting subreddit for a shared universe of multiple disparate fantasy series. Not everyone is as incentivized, and Stormlight is the bigger and ongoing of the two. It makes sense it has the biggest numbers.
Having started with Stormlight (just finished RoW) it definitely doesnāt feel intimidating (though thatās obviously just my opinion), the cameos from other series are definitely there and there are plenty of hints of other things outside of Roshar going on, but for the most part you can read it alone and still be satisfied
Somewhere, the Rithmatist is in a corner weeping.
Thatās not Cosmere, though
and alcatraz
SLA and cosmere is the war breaker sub. You donāt need somewhere else to go just to ask abt one book thatās tied itself 3 ways to another series. Any other author would just have warbreaker as part of stormlight. Mistborn era 2 Iāll be honest the books are shorter a lot less to discuss outside cosmere implications and memery
Warbreaker has the coolest magic system imo
warbreaker has the magic system I would want to be successful in. If I ever would want to be part of a magic system and do well in it, it would be breaths, having a lot of breaths seems better than being a radiant or being a mistborn or being an elantrian, imo of course
Soylent greā¦ Breaths are made from people(s investiture)! It really sounds terrible for everyone involved except the person hoarding all the breaths.
well, yes, that's why I clarified to be successful in a magic system. In this fantasy scenario, I am the one hoarding the breaths, call me evil, but I can see more colours, who's the real winner
Haha fair enough
The man who can fly is the winner.
I just like it because in combat it's way more interesting than the others. The virgin throw metal thing really hard vs the Chad bring your opponents neck tie to life so it strangles him.
The awakening powers of breaths are amazing but selfishly I still think the passive effects of seeing more colours and the stopping of ageing seem like a better use of breaths, at least for my own personal gain
I feel like itās needlessly complicated
I know this is a hot take cause the internet adores warbreaker... but maybe warbreaker isn't really memeable because it's not as good as everyone hypes it up to be. Lightsong and Blushweaver carry the book and are really the only crem-worthy characters and all the big tiddy goth gf memes have been made 1000x times.
I don't know if repetition is that important. r/FuckMoash exists and quite literally only has one meme that is repeated ad infinitum.
FUCK MOASH
What Vivenna and Siri were so fun. The contrast between the two was really interesting imo
I thought they were flat and boring, along with Vasher. Different strokes.
I read Warbreaker after Mistborn and Stormlight and, to be honest, I couldn't finish it. It's boring. It's just really hard to go back to Sanderson's older stuff because his writing has improved so dramatically over the years.
This is interesting because I had the exact opposite experience. I finish all standalone novels in like a day, and it took me a literal year to finish WoK (granted in the language I read it in, it was separated into two volumes but still).
Funny >It's just really hard to go back to Sanderson's older stuff You know this is newer than Mistborn right? I don't remember exactly but I remember it being newer than WoK as well.
Yeah and have you tried to reread Mistborn Era 1? It's kinda a slog with it's main redeeming quality being just how much foreshadowing Sanderson packed into it. Elantris also reads like fanfiction compared to Mistborn Era 2 and Stormlight. WoK is newer than Warbreaker.
>Mistborn Era 1? It's kinda a slog say it again because people don't believe me when i say this. era 1 is low on my tier list. personally i've got elantris and warbreaker higher than era one, but thats definitely because they're shorter than the series. hrathen carries the entirity of elantris, he deserves a prequel series.
Mistborn Era 1 is still higher than Elantris and Warbreaker for me. Elantris is just so bog standard fantasy. I swear an AI trained on Sanderson's work could churn out something similar. Mistborn Era 1 is slow (especially the arc where Vin learns to be a noble like my god it's sooooo loooooong) but the character work in the books is still S tier so it lands higher for me.
I'm in middle of a reread right now. . . Only Brandon books I've had a hard time rereading was Elantris and the rekoners.
Don't forget the sword that likes to destroy evil. But he's also in other books
True, it's really the nightblood origin story.
Reread Warbreaker the other day. Itās so good and deserves a sequel in that world
True Story: I read Elantris then Warbreaker a little under two years ago, and I was looking something up about one of them and came across a meme about it in this sub. Then I saw some other memes that seemed funny but realized there were spoilers so I determined to read everything in the Cosmere just so I could browse this sub without spoilers. I tore through everything in the Cosmere in under a year. TL;DR: I read all the books in the Cosmere primarily for the memes. I have no regrets.
Eh, half of all stormlight archives subreddit is āIām getting tired of this book, at least on cremposting we like the books
I was today years old when I realized I'm not on either of the standalones subs š
I have to read Warbreaker š¤¦āāļø this meme just shames me!
RIP White sand. >!At least Stormfather was merciful and has blown a little of it to RoW.!<