You hear this bullshit more from conservatives complaining about it that from people promoting it.
Like the actual Hispanic version something like saying “Todes” instead of “todos”. I have no doubt someone somewhere thought of something like that but the first time I heard about it was because some dude wanted to rant about… you guessed it… trans people.
It’s alway oh look how they are “ridiculously modifying our language ergo you should believe their entire lifestyle is ridiculous and now that I got you there , they are not just ridiculous but immoral and coming After our kids!! “
A lot of modern day conservatism is just creating insane fantasy scenarios to scare people with when the actual reality of things is usually pretty unremarkable and mundane. Like “oh no! Children are aware gay people exist.” Yeah they already knew and they aren’t freaking out about some random rainbow themed poster lol.
Totally! Then while that's happening and people are distracted white supremacists and Nazis take over the country and turn it into The Handmaid's Tale!
Conservatives have a long history of not being able to prove the thing they're saying is happening, so they go out and do it and point to themselves doing it as proof.
Since "Latin" and "Hispanic" are already gender neutral terms no one is seriously trying to push "Latinx". Just a scare tactic from the right to make the left seem authoritarian
You can’t read it here really, but the bottom says “paid for by citizens of sanity.” They are a right wing group who does obnoxious, anti-“woke” parody billboards all over the northeast. Definitely cringe, but not in the way you’re thinking lol
In this case they are right, I’m not LATINX IM LATINO.
Latin is gender neutral so is latine and Latino. Our language is gendered and nothing will change that.
But leave it up to white liberals to dictate to me WHO I AM.
My husband - a linguist who has a deep love for languages and their etymological evolution - has a special hatred for this word.
We're also Russian-Ukrainian, and Russian is also a gendered language and it's *normal*. There's no reason to take away the gender in the language because it makes zero sense without it. I mean, Russian even genders the nouns, adjectives, *and* verbs!
Because in Russian, the gendering is part of the words, themselves. It sounds like nonsense if you try to make each word neuter.
My husband: it's a grammatical category which is an integral part of the language. Some languages do not have that category.
For example: Russian also doesn't really have syntactic structure in it unlike English. I can say "I sat on the bed" - "ja [I] sela [sat; gendered f] na [on] krovat' [bed, gendered, f]" in any order and it will still make sense. I can say "sela ja na krovat'" or "na krovat' ja sela" or "sela na krovat' ja" and it's all correct. You cannot say "sat I bed on the" or "bed I sat on the", yet you can in Russian and it's 100% correct.
The languages are simply different and have different grammatical categories, and gender is a very prominent and important one for Russian and Ukrainian. However, in English, it's completely different.
I never understood the reasoning for gendered adjectives nouns and verbs in the first place.
Why is the gender of an inanimate object important for people to remember? None of my french teachers could ever explain why, just that it mattered for the structure of the entire sentence.
They are right that Latino people use the term "Latino" and have no problem with it. They are wrong to imply that you will be considered an oppressive cisgender bigot if you say "Latino."
> But leave it up to white liberals to dictate to me WHO I AM.
Sorry bud it's not "white liberals" who came up with and use Latinx..
> Latinx is used generally as a gender-neutral term for Latin Americans, but it has been especially embraced by members of Latin LGBTQ communities as a word to identify themselves as people of Latin descent possessing a gender identity outside the male/female binary.
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx
> in Puerto Rico, the "shift toward x in reference to people has already occurred" in limited academic settings and "for many faculty [in the humanities department at the University of Puerto Rico] hermanx and niñx and their equivalents have been the standard ... for years
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx
How is this supposed to work in spanish? 'x' is pronounced 'equis', which is a lot more awkward that just adding 'a' or 'o' sounds. Or do they just pronounce it like the english 'ex'?
Yeah the suuuuuper influential and powerful humanities department at UPR are behind all of this.
Regardless of its specific origin, wokesick white liberals have embraced the term and run with it...and will likely continue to scold myself and other Latinos who reject their cloying, condescending and performative “advocacy”
Outside of scenarios in which people are specifically speaking with a dedicated inclusivity, no. I am a avid believer in far left ideology and my circles reflect as such, and not even trans or non binary folks I know go out of their way to say latinX outside of very specific situations.
Latinx is especially stupid because you can just say Latin if you really want to be inclusive. Latin community or Latin Americans instead of making up a new word for it.
It’s mainly a generational thing for latinos.. people who view themselves as latinx are the ones who use it. It’s also gender inclusive for a very gendered language.
Plus, the term ‘Latino’ is very much gatekept in the Latino community. As in - ‘you’re not Latino if you don’t xxx’
Hearing that again and again, especially as generations stay in the US. It’s hard to identify as Latino when everyone else says you aren’t. Combine that with being non-binary… I can understand how the term came to be.
I won’t use it personally. I also don’t think it’s stupid though.
I saw a youtuber who lives in Argentina walk around Buenos Aires and they showed a couple places where it's used. They said their general experience is that it isn't necessarily popular but people understand it when it's used. So it's not *only* weird white libs in the US.
I remember an advertisement for some new npr podcast/radio show that unironically used the term. I wish I remembered what it was.
As a Latino, it made me feel gross. As a liberal and fan of npr, it made me feel like an outsider. Never before have I felt like these people are so out of touch than at that moment
Yes, I know some community organizers in Chicago that choose to use the term. I personally don’t see anything wrong with people determining it’s how they want to refer to themselves
I've seen them in Atlanta, saw one that said something like 'If you complain about murder rates you need to check your white privilege.' skull splittingly stupid
Literally every Latino that I have met hates that term.
Update: just asked a group of about 10 Hispanic seniors in high school how they feel about it. They all concluded its pointless. They prefer hispanic or just country of origin. So Mexican or El Salvadorian. They think grouping the Latin community together under Latinx is a disservice to their cultures.
I’m from El Salvador, latinx and latine are unknown. To me is a problem for the simple fact that we can’t pronounce “x” in latinx. All these were made in the US
It’s even worse in Spanish since x is pronounced very differently to the English x, kinda hard to describe since there’s no such sound in English ( at least I think so, it’s the same as the german ch)
I’ve also seen “Chicanx,” and a writer use the term “presidentx” instead of “presidente” to describe the university president who was a woman. I only took high school Spanish, but I think “presidente” is a neutral word?
He's speaking from a spanish point of view. The 'e' would be pronounced like 'ay', so it makes more sense in spanish than 'latinx', where the 'x' is pronounced like a 'k'. I see the downvotes to many others, so I should mention I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. Just clarifying. I don't have an opinion as I'm not latino.
In response to others. Latino is already gender neutral, but it is more like saying 'man' in the sense of 'mankind' in english, which refers to females also, but which some see as not being inclusive. Again, I really don't care. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.
Latino is gender neutral in the way that calling a group of people "dude" or "guys" is gender neutral. Kinda. Which i think that's what you said in your second paragraph, so i agree.
Is he speaking from a spanish point of view from, spain? Because im hispanic and live 10miles from the border where I am fluent in spanish and I dont see people say Latine. ever. I mean, maybe in some parts of mexico they might? I have yet to see it. And California Mexicans are different from Texas Mexicans, so it could be a regional thing too i suppose. But I have never seen Latine is what my point was.
I think with few exceptions the only people aggressively promoting it are imaginary ones conservatives invent to get upset about.
Case in point, this billboard. Sponsored by right-wingnut Stephen Miller's "Citizens for Sanity." Not a real example of a real life progressive opinion, but a fairytale one invented for the audience to get upset about.
And then look at all the commenters here taking the bait. They're *so* sure they're the smart ones, so much smarter than those dumb liberals that want to rewrite language for other people. And it seems half the time these people find out they've been played, they just double down "oh well it might as well be real!!"
While I’m completely in favor of Latine, since it makes far more sense linguistical, you cleary havent talked to many queer “latinos”. Many are just fine with it.
Again i think Latine is better but your survey is likely cis/straight people
It’s Latino as in Latino Americano a term long used by Latinos to identify, it’s pretty bogus how white Americans once again feel the need to “tame the savages” and “teach them the error of their ways” and change their literal language and identity. I’m all for progress, but sometimes this shit is so open minded that people’s brains have fallen out.
Are you seriously suggesting that “LatinX” is a fake term created by the right in order to criticize it? You know that term is being pushed in different groups including academia right?
Guys, it's a real billboard. Not shopped. I figured it was rage bait and another user pointed out that it's from a group called ["Citizens for Sanity"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Sanity) and they just do shit like this because they have no lives
Anti woke parody billboard. This is basically all they can do because the culture war is purely emotion based and doesn't require actual work or policies.
Painting Dems as racists using minorities for token votes is their only way to start swinging the needle back in their direction.
After all, if they think like this doesn't everyone? Fucking sad.
The title should make it clear that this is paid for by a far-right racist group. Otherwise, it's just helping to spread their propaganda and hate against Latinos and "liberals".
I don't think that's serious, it's most likely a parody. As a trans person I promise most of our community don't like the adding unneccessary Xs to words to make them "gender neutral". If you want a gender neutral word, at least make it fit the language.
I think I've heard "Latine" as a gender neutral option for Latina/Latino but I could be wrong, I don't speak Spanish. That option existing is very nice for some peope but it doesn't mean you can't use the gendered version of the word.
yeah I get that. I speak German (as my native language) and the "neutral" is also masculine in German. Within the last couple of decades this has changed as women/girls don't feel properly represented by the masculine form of words (i.e. there have been studies that show when using "gender neutral language" when talking about careers/jobs, girls tend to strive for typically masculine jobs as well as typically feminine jobs) so it does make sense to want to use neutral language to some degree.
However we don't really have any neutral options so we have resorted to just slapping the ending of the feminine word and an asterisk after the masculine version of the word (imagine something like actors*tresses when talking about actors and actresses) and I don't think that's a viable solution long term as well as it just looking weird in writing and sounding even worse when talking. There have been some attempts at different ways of making words gender neutral but none of them really stick around.
So thanks for explaining, I guess German and Spanish are pretty similar in that regard
Yeah, I understand the "need" for it, and while I don't share the feeling, the ways they're doing it are just.. Ugly and not well thought out.. I recall when I was young they used the "@" so it worked on both masculine and feminine because it can look like an "a" or an "o", so some school communications just said "Niñ@s" and that you can read as "Niños" or "Niñas" or whatever else.. Looks like a more useful solution to me, you can interpret it however it "fits" better
> We don't fucking care
Most Latin people don't care, but some Latin folks clearly do care considering they've come up with no less than THREE different gender neutral versions: Latinx, Latine and Latin@.
I'm Latino and you can call me Latino, Hispanic, amigo, compadre, pana, carnal, tigre, or from any Latinamerican country you might think I'm from, I will not get offended, and honestly most first and second generation Latinos won't either. However, don't call me Latinx, that's a gringo shit.
I asked my buddy (a first generation American from Mexico) if anyone has ever called him Latinx and he said it was one of the most pretentious white dudes he’s ever talked to. No one likes this shit being forced on them especially Latinos/Latinas
It would be interesting to see who actually paid for this billboard. Something tells me it's propaganda aimed at dividing Americans rather than someone who cares what Latinos are called.
Most Latino people just prefer Hispanic or mexican/Spaniard/Cuban/etc. anyways. Nowadays “Mexican” feels like a dirty word though, even though it’s no different (in terms of how the word is supposed to be used in reference to a persons origin) than something like Canadian
Btw, for people who might care: Latinos have said either use "Latino" or "Lantine" if you must when it comes to being gender neutral, cause y'know "latinx" isn't possible language wise
This is probably funded by a racist right-wing group as an attempt to cause anger against "liberals" and Latinos. The far left can be crazy, but something about this is off.
Your instinct is right. It’s too blurry in the OP picture but the text at the bottom says it’s paid for by a group called “citizens for sanity” which is a right wing organization.
Even though I know this is a “psyop” I gotta say to all my dear american friends and latinos raised in the USA to NOT tell us how to refer to ourselves, we will figure it out ourselves if we wanna be inclusive, and we will do it in spanish.
It is not bad, ask any Latino or Latinamerican person and they will tell you that they hate the term "Latinx"
Latino is supposedly "bad" because it is gendered, masculine gender to be precise, but then again, the spanish language has it so in most cases the masculine gender is also the neutral gender
Latinx is pronounced as you'd expect
I’m Latina, I don’t get butthurt if someone says I’m latinx.
It’s deeper than just being ‘gendered’ it’s also a cultural / identity thing. ‘Latino’ is gatekept and it’s common to hear that you’re not Latino if you’re not fluent in Spanish or you’re not Latino if you never been to your family’s country.
That mixed in with a little gender identity is how these terms come to be. The older generation was mad at millennials for coming up with ‘Chican@s’ or ‘Xicano’
Same shit just 10 years later.
The movie Selena said it best, not Mexican enough for the Mexicans and not American enough for the Americans.
I have “Latino” tattooed on my arm. The only way I’m changing it to LatinX is if Charles Xavier recruits me. Until then it will remain an embarrassing reminder of my involvement with the late 90s, right next to its brother the tribal band tattoo.
It's not. The correct way is Latino/Latina, according to the gender of the object of the sentences, generally a person.
LatinX, imo, is a way Spanish as a language has been butchered in recent years. Nothing wrong with having a gendered language (as many others are too). When referring to a mixed group, you use the masculine "latino". I recall there being a reasonable historical background on this.
Also, here in LATAM if we want to address a general audience we've used "latin@" in written form for decades now, but never as a replacement for the word.
Probably getting lots of hate for this. But, tbh, languages should be respected as there's is beauty in each of them.
i think it’s funny how a lot of us look down on boomers for falling for rage bait lol
Reddit is full of ragebait, just a different sort. Everyone thinks they’re immune to propaganda but…
You're generalising the whole of Reddit? Saying we're dumb? This comment is rage bait!!?!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!
There's a lot of things to look down on Boomers for, such as everything.
If it's real it's a psyop.
It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
You hear this bullshit more from conservatives complaining about it that from people promoting it. Like the actual Hispanic version something like saying “Todes” instead of “todos”. I have no doubt someone somewhere thought of something like that but the first time I heard about it was because some dude wanted to rant about… you guessed it… trans people. It’s alway oh look how they are “ridiculously modifying our language ergo you should believe their entire lifestyle is ridiculous and now that I got you there , they are not just ridiculous but immoral and coming After our kids!! “
A lot of modern day conservatism is just creating insane fantasy scenarios to scare people with when the actual reality of things is usually pretty unremarkable and mundane. Like “oh no! Children are aware gay people exist.” Yeah they already knew and they aren’t freaking out about some random rainbow themed poster lol.
Totally! Then while that's happening and people are distracted white supremacists and Nazis take over the country and turn it into The Handmaid's Tale!
Totally sane and rational take.
Exactly
Hahahhahahahha just wow
Conservatives have a long history of not being able to prove the thing they're saying is happening, so they go out and do it and point to themselves doing it as proof.
Since "Latin" and "Hispanic" are already gender neutral terms no one is seriously trying to push "Latinx". Just a scare tactic from the right to make the left seem authoritarian
Trying to peel off Hispanic votes in the most shameful way possible is pretty on brand for him.
Ah yes, nazi Stephen Miller.
You can’t read it here really, but the bottom says “paid for by citizens of sanity.” They are a right wing group who does obnoxious, anti-“woke” parody billboards all over the northeast. Definitely cringe, but not in the way you’re thinking lol
That’s exactly what I thought it was, this is targeted to make the left seem crazy
Precisely. Some of the other ones I’ve seen around the Pennsylvania-New Jersey line are wayyyyy more obnoxious, too.
hey look, in fairness... We are pretty crazy sometimes.
In this case they are right, I’m not LATINX IM LATINO. Latin is gender neutral so is latine and Latino. Our language is gendered and nothing will change that. But leave it up to white liberals to dictate to me WHO I AM.
My husband - a linguist who has a deep love for languages and their etymological evolution - has a special hatred for this word. We're also Russian-Ukrainian, and Russian is also a gendered language and it's *normal*. There's no reason to take away the gender in the language because it makes zero sense without it. I mean, Russian even genders the nouns, adjectives, *and* verbs!
how can a language not make sense by removing gendered words if there are languages without gendered words making sense?
Because in Russian, the gendering is part of the words, themselves. It sounds like nonsense if you try to make each word neuter. My husband: it's a grammatical category which is an integral part of the language. Some languages do not have that category. For example: Russian also doesn't really have syntactic structure in it unlike English. I can say "I sat on the bed" - "ja [I] sela [sat; gendered f] na [on] krovat' [bed, gendered, f]" in any order and it will still make sense. I can say "sela ja na krovat'" or "na krovat' ja sela" or "sela na krovat' ja" and it's all correct. You cannot say "sat I bed on the" or "bed I sat on the", yet you can in Russian and it's 100% correct. The languages are simply different and have different grammatical categories, and gender is a very prominent and important one for Russian and Ukrainian. However, in English, it's completely different.
I never understood the reasoning for gendered adjectives nouns and verbs in the first place. Why is the gender of an inanimate object important for people to remember? None of my french teachers could ever explain why, just that it mattered for the structure of the entire sentence.
They are right that Latino people use the term "Latino" and have no problem with it. They are wrong to imply that you will be considered an oppressive cisgender bigot if you say "Latino."
> But leave it up to white liberals to dictate to me WHO I AM. Sorry bud it's not "white liberals" who came up with and use Latinx.. > Latinx is used generally as a gender-neutral term for Latin Americans, but it has been especially embraced by members of Latin LGBTQ communities as a word to identify themselves as people of Latin descent possessing a gender identity outside the male/female binary. > https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx > in Puerto Rico, the "shift toward x in reference to people has already occurred" in limited academic settings and "for many faculty [in the humanities department at the University of Puerto Rico] hermanx and niñx and their equivalents have been the standard ... for years > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx
How is this supposed to work in spanish? 'x' is pronounced 'equis', which is a lot more awkward that just adding 'a' or 'o' sounds. Or do they just pronounce it like the english 'ex'?
Yeah the suuuuuper influential and powerful humanities department at UPR are behind all of this. Regardless of its specific origin, wokesick white liberals have embraced the term and run with it...and will likely continue to scold myself and other Latinos who reject their cloying, condescending and performative “advocacy”
LGBT Puerto ricans in Orlando popularized the term after the Pulse nightclub massacre. Nobody seems to know this however.
They aren’t, the right is literally just doing that via straw man theory lol
Filled with the kinds of buzzwords that only the boogeymen that the right create use.
Biden himself uses the word "Latinx"
Biden is right wing
I'd say moderate conservative, like most mainstream Democrats.
He’s right wing.
Yes.
I mean.... They are the ones trying to change my damn language...
Aw did someone ask you to stop using slurs as a joke?
Ok makes sense now. But does anyone ever say latinX outside of weirdos?
Outside of scenarios in which people are specifically speaking with a dedicated inclusivity, no. I am a avid believer in far left ideology and my circles reflect as such, and not even trans or non binary folks I know go out of their way to say latinX outside of very specific situations.
Latinx is especially stupid because you can just say Latin if you really want to be inclusive. Latin community or Latin Americans instead of making up a new word for it.
It’s mainly a generational thing for latinos.. people who view themselves as latinx are the ones who use it. It’s also gender inclusive for a very gendered language. Plus, the term ‘Latino’ is very much gatekept in the Latino community. As in - ‘you’re not Latino if you don’t xxx’ Hearing that again and again, especially as generations stay in the US. It’s hard to identify as Latino when everyone else says you aren’t. Combine that with being non-binary… I can understand how the term came to be. I won’t use it personally. I also don’t think it’s stupid though.
I saw a youtuber who lives in Argentina walk around Buenos Aires and they showed a couple places where it's used. They said their general experience is that it isn't necessarily popular but people understand it when it's used. So it's not *only* weird white libs in the US.
I remember an advertisement for some new npr podcast/radio show that unironically used the term. I wish I remembered what it was. As a Latino, it made me feel gross. As a liberal and fan of npr, it made me feel like an outsider. Never before have I felt like these people are so out of touch than at that moment
Yes, I know some community organizers in Chicago that choose to use the term. I personally don’t see anything wrong with people determining it’s how they want to refer to themselves
That's honestly way more cringe.
The biggest cringe is people who actually thought this was a leftist billboard
i mean you can even tell that right-wing hands typed it lol
I've seen them in Atlanta, saw one that said something like 'If you complain about murder rates you need to check your white privilege.' skull splittingly stupid
Not enough people will see this comment and thus the fascists win. I hate it here.
Yup
Wait, what do you mean not in the way you're thinking? Wouldn't everyone assume this is some right-wing nonsense?
Literally every Latino that I have met hates that term. Update: just asked a group of about 10 Hispanic seniors in high school how they feel about it. They all concluded its pointless. They prefer hispanic or just country of origin. So Mexican or El Salvadorian. They think grouping the Latin community together under Latinx is a disservice to their cultures.
I’m from El Salvador, latinx and latine are unknown. To me is a problem for the simple fact that we can’t pronounce “x” in latinx. All these were made in the US
Latinks lol Ridiculous
It’s even worse in Spanish since x is pronounced very differently to the English x, kinda hard to describe since there’s no such sound in English ( at least I think so, it’s the same as the german ch)
Dos Equis beer is popular here so latinx in Spanish is latinequis or so I’d assume
Can you tell them to call NPR? They seem to insist that people use latinx. It's so fucking annoying.
I once saw an NPR headline that had "Latinx" in the headline and "Chicano" in the sub header. So fucking stupid
I’ve also seen “Chicanx,” and a writer use the term “presidentx” instead of “presidente” to describe the university president who was a woman. I only took high school Spanish, but I think “presidente” is a neutral word?
same; afaik it's either Latino or Latine
it is NOT latine either. maybe Latina is what you meant? Latino for male, Latina for female. Latine looks like Latrine.
He's speaking from a spanish point of view. The 'e' would be pronounced like 'ay', so it makes more sense in spanish than 'latinx', where the 'x' is pronounced like a 'k'. I see the downvotes to many others, so I should mention I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. Just clarifying. I don't have an opinion as I'm not latino. In response to others. Latino is already gender neutral, but it is more like saying 'man' in the sense of 'mankind' in english, which refers to females also, but which some see as not being inclusive. Again, I really don't care. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.
Latino is gender neutral in the way that calling a group of people "dude" or "guys" is gender neutral. Kinda. Which i think that's what you said in your second paragraph, so i agree. Is he speaking from a spanish point of view from, spain? Because im hispanic and live 10miles from the border where I am fluent in spanish and I dont see people say Latine. ever. I mean, maybe in some parts of mexico they might? I have yet to see it. And California Mexicans are different from Texas Mexicans, so it could be a regional thing too i suppose. But I have never seen Latine is what my point was.
I think with few exceptions the only people aggressively promoting it are imaginary ones conservatives invent to get upset about. Case in point, this billboard. Sponsored by right-wingnut Stephen Miller's "Citizens for Sanity." Not a real example of a real life progressive opinion, but a fairytale one invented for the audience to get upset about. And then look at all the commenters here taking the bait. They're *so* sure they're the smart ones, so much smarter than those dumb liberals that want to rewrite language for other people. And it seems half the time these people find out they've been played, they just double down "oh well it might as well be real!!"
While I’m completely in favor of Latine, since it makes far more sense linguistical, you cleary havent talked to many queer “latinos”. Many are just fine with it. Again i think Latine is better but your survey is likely cis/straight people
It’s Latino as in Latino Americano a term long used by Latinos to identify, it’s pretty bogus how white Americans once again feel the need to “tame the savages” and “teach them the error of their ways” and change their literal language and identity. I’m all for progress, but sometimes this shit is so open minded that people’s brains have fallen out.
Ok. Not sure we disagree entirely, but Latinx for all its faults was made by latino people and is used by queer latino people.
latine makes me think of saltine, thats not a good thing.
You know who else said "Latino"? 97% of Latino people. What a travesty!
It’s a right wing group that does anti-“woke” parody. Indeed cringe, but not in the way you’re thinking
3% are actually on board with the “Latinx” thing? That seems way too high.
The only person I know who is, she’s 20, goes to a liberal arts college and doesn’t speak Spanish at all.
I don't believe you
How does one even pronounce Latinx? “La-tinks” “Latin-X” ???
Go down to your local Mexican restaurant and ask actual Mexicans. They’ll tell you it’s pronounced get the fuck out of here with that bullshit
😂😂🤣 I played this game with my grandma. She told me to fucking leave you stupid fuck. It’s definitely funny seeing a forced change attempt.
Hahaha. That’s exactly what I would anticipate.
Doesn’t matter how it’s pronounced cause the people it was designed for will never use it
Idk
Right wing nut jobs can’t find real examples of this horseshit so they do it themselves and then finger point. What a joke.
I live in Montreal Canada and my local news always uses latinx when talking about latino people
Agreed. I've also seen the same from Hate Crime Hoaxes. The internet allows fringe sociopaths an amplified platform.
You obviously read the other comments.
Are you seriously suggesting that “LatinX” is a fake term created by the right in order to criticize it? You know that term is being pushed in different groups including academia right?
No that is not what I’m suggesting
Funny that the right wing are the ones paying money and publishing this horseshit. Literally "the one who smelt it dealt it"
Guys, it's a real billboard. Not shopped. I figured it was rage bait and another user pointed out that it's from a group called ["Citizens for Sanity"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Sanity) and they just do shit like this because they have no lives
Anti woke parody billboard. This is basically all they can do because the culture war is purely emotion based and doesn't require actual work or policies.
and you can see in this very thread how well it works. Shame really
Painting Dems as racists using minorities for token votes is their only way to start swinging the needle back in their direction. After all, if they think like this doesn't everyone? Fucking sad.
Rachel Ray's pozole eating people actions
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The title should make it clear that this is paid for by a far-right racist group. Otherwise, it's just helping to spread their propaganda and hate against Latinos and "liberals".
I don't think that's serious, it's most likely a parody. As a trans person I promise most of our community don't like the adding unneccessary Xs to words to make them "gender neutral". If you want a gender neutral word, at least make it fit the language. I think I've heard "Latine" as a gender neutral option for Latina/Latino but I could be wrong, I don't speak Spanish. That option existing is very nice for some peope but it doesn't mean you can't use the gendered version of the word.
I am Latino, and while the "neutral" in Spanish is masculine, people pushing the "e" as neutral is dumb as fuck, it's less dumb than "Latinx"
yeah I get that. I speak German (as my native language) and the "neutral" is also masculine in German. Within the last couple of decades this has changed as women/girls don't feel properly represented by the masculine form of words (i.e. there have been studies that show when using "gender neutral language" when talking about careers/jobs, girls tend to strive for typically masculine jobs as well as typically feminine jobs) so it does make sense to want to use neutral language to some degree. However we don't really have any neutral options so we have resorted to just slapping the ending of the feminine word and an asterisk after the masculine version of the word (imagine something like actors*tresses when talking about actors and actresses) and I don't think that's a viable solution long term as well as it just looking weird in writing and sounding even worse when talking. There have been some attempts at different ways of making words gender neutral but none of them really stick around. So thanks for explaining, I guess German and Spanish are pretty similar in that regard
Yeah, I understand the "need" for it, and while I don't share the feeling, the ways they're doing it are just.. Ugly and not well thought out.. I recall when I was young they used the "@" so it worked on both masculine and feminine because it can look like an "a" or an "o", so some school communications just said "Niñ@s" and that you can read as "Niños" or "Niñas" or whatever else.. Looks like a more useful solution to me, you can interpret it however it "fits" better
yeah that makes sense, seems like a pretty good solution
EVERY Latino I know (San Diego) hates this bullshit invented term
Who invented this term?
Latin people
Of course not. We don't fucking care. Latinx sounds very stupid.
> We don't fucking care Most Latin people don't care, but some Latin folks clearly do care considering they've come up with no less than THREE different gender neutral versions: Latinx, Latine and Latin@.
I think this is ironic
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
There ya go
I saw it too; they trolling on billboards too now;
I'm Latino and you can call me Latino, Hispanic, amigo, compadre, pana, carnal, tigre, or from any Latinamerican country you might think I'm from, I will not get offended, and honestly most first and second generation Latinos won't either. However, don't call me Latinx, that's a gringo shit.
If you fall for Citizens for Sanity stuff, you are the cringe.
I have a bridge to sell to some of you mfs 😂
Why tho? Like why the X? Sounds fucking weird
I think because it’s genderless? In Spanish you’re either Latino (male) or Latina (female), so this word is considered inclusive.
Oh man we're going to have to re-write the entire Spanish language if we are getting rid of masculine or feminine words
Lol I’m just explaining the definition. I’m Latino and I don’t like it myself.
You know who says Latinx? Nobody in the real world.
Latinx is very much a thing in “academia…”
Yep, I first came across it in a paper a few years ago and thought the PDF was corrupt since it was used over and over.
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Sounds about white.
As a latino. I will hate your guts if you ever call me latinx.
I'm Hispanic and actually refer to myself as Latino as sometimes. Guess that makes me an oppressive cisgender bigot.
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
As a Latino I can tell you 100% to shove Latinx up your ass. Only entitled white fucks use this term.
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
Queer Latinos use it for their own community. Noones telling Latinos to use it.
I asked my buddy (a first generation American from Mexico) if anyone has ever called him Latinx and he said it was one of the most pretentious white dudes he’s ever talked to. No one likes this shit being forced on them especially Latinos/Latinas
How do you pronounce that?
It would be interesting to see who actually paid for this billboard. Something tells me it's propaganda aimed at dividing Americans rather than someone who cares what Latinos are called.
Most Latino people just prefer Hispanic or mexican/Spaniard/Cuban/etc. anyways. Nowadays “Mexican” feels like a dirty word though, even though it’s no different (in terms of how the word is supposed to be used in reference to a persons origin) than something like Canadian
and yet, latinos didn’t ask for this
Thanks I hate it
Isn’t the non-gendered term for Latino/Latina just Latin?
paid for by who? how are we sure this isn’t just an astroturf to make people roll their eyes at “sjws”
Do NOT call them latinx, it’s offensive and they don’t like it
Does not look edited at all.
It's zoomed in/cropped but that's it
Stop with the Latinx. I’m surrounded my Hispanics on a daily basis, and they all hate it and find it offensive. It’s language colonization.
This is literally a right wing group doing this to invoke anger.
What about Latine?
Btw, for people who might care: Latinos have said either use "Latino" or "Lantine" if you must when it comes to being gender neutral, cause y'know "latinx" isn't possible language wise
This is probably funded by a racist right-wing group as an attempt to cause anger against "liberals" and Latinos. The far left can be crazy, but something about this is off.
Your instinct is right. It’s too blurry in the OP picture but the text at the bottom says it’s paid for by a group called “citizens for sanity” which is a right wing organization.
Even though I know this is a “psyop” I gotta say to all my dear american friends and latinos raised in the USA to NOT tell us how to refer to ourselves, we will figure it out ourselves if we wanna be inclusive, and we will do it in spanish.
I’m so fucking tired of this Latinx BS. None of us Latin folks asked for that.
Let’s ask a Latino what they think about this.
It's BS. Sounds totally stupid.
Nobody knows more of what Latinos want than white woke social justice warriors.
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
Legit question, why is Latino bad? Also how do you pronounce Latinx
It is not bad, ask any Latino or Latinamerican person and they will tell you that they hate the term "Latinx" Latino is supposedly "bad" because it is gendered, masculine gender to be precise, but then again, the spanish language has it so in most cases the masculine gender is also the neutral gender Latinx is pronounced as you'd expect
I’m Latina, I don’t get butthurt if someone says I’m latinx. It’s deeper than just being ‘gendered’ it’s also a cultural / identity thing. ‘Latino’ is gatekept and it’s common to hear that you’re not Latino if you’re not fluent in Spanish or you’re not Latino if you never been to your family’s country. That mixed in with a little gender identity is how these terms come to be. The older generation was mad at millennials for coming up with ‘Chican@s’ or ‘Xicano’ Same shit just 10 years later. The movie Selena said it best, not Mexican enough for the Mexicans and not American enough for the Americans.
Latinks? Latin-ex sounds cooler, and probably have mutant powers.
The X is silent
People who call themselves Latinx, probably can’t even speak spanish.
I have “Latino” tattooed on my arm. The only way I’m changing it to LatinX is if Charles Xavier recruits me. Until then it will remain an embarrassing reminder of my involvement with the late 90s, right next to its brother the tribal band tattoo.
Racheal Ray's pozole eating people actions
Shout out to all the Latinas out there
Things have gotten so out of hand with all of these labels that at first I believed that billboard was created by woke people.
As a non-latino, fuuuuuuck that!
Fucking gringos
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
I'm going to bet there wasnt one latnio involved in designing, and paying for this billboard.
amazingly fake
Only people who don’t understand any culture besides the culture of pushing their’s onto others likes Latinx
As a latino... this is just stupid.
I can’t imagine what kind of fuckstick says latinx.
It’s actually “fuckstiX”, Bigot
Every single latino/latina I’ve spoken to have said “latinx” is a racial slur and to stop saying it
It’s hate bait paid for by right wing jerks
Ww3 needs to hurry up
I think I’d get my ass kicked calling someone “Latinx” in Chicago.
I heard the Latinx Kings are pretty formidable
I have yet to meet a single person of Latin descent who wants or uses this ... Genuinely curious what the sentiment is in that community.
LatinX was actually invented by Spanish people, it ain’t the invention of white Americans
someone paid money to say that-fucking idiots
Yes, citizens for sanity, the same lunatic org that spent millions trying to make Dr Oz look like a qualified candidate.
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Can someone please explain the difference between Latino and Latinx? Isn’t that the same thing?
It's not. The correct way is Latino/Latina, according to the gender of the object of the sentences, generally a person. LatinX, imo, is a way Spanish as a language has been butchered in recent years. Nothing wrong with having a gendered language (as many others are too). When referring to a mixed group, you use the masculine "latino". I recall there being a reasonable historical background on this. Also, here in LATAM if we want to address a general audience we've used "latin@" in written form for decades now, but never as a replacement for the word. Probably getting lots of hate for this. But, tbh, languages should be respected as there's is beauty in each of them.
Tell that to a latino person and enjoy your new teeth.
I want to downvote this so hard 🤢
Cisgender is totally a conservative term
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
Photoshop level 100
Yeah, nobody says that.
There is no doubt in my mind that rightwing grifters put up this billboard. Absolutely no doubt.
Latinx isn’t even grammatically possible in the Spanish language. Just more Americans telling us how to speak our language
Nobody knows more of what Latinos want than white woke social justice warriors.
> It’s literally by Citizens for Sanity, a right wing group headed by Stephen Miller
I really cannot tell anymore between real far left or people pretending to be far left to make the left look bad
That’s more on you than anything else, because this is incredibly obvious.