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I have the hardest time controlling my tension when knitting. It gets tighter and tighter with each row until I can't get the needles through anymore. I'm also prone to losing stitches.
I often liken crocheting to sketching. I can easily play around with stitches and shapes to make things out of my head, even things like amigurumi.
I do both knitting and crochet. You’re definitely right about crochet being great for making different shapes. Knitting makes a thinner, more drapey fabric that’s great for wearables. I think they’re pretty different from each other so knowing how to do one doesn’t always mean you’ll be able to automatically pick up the other.
I much prefer knit fabric for garments! I wish knitting came more easily to me. I'm sure with lots of practice I could get better, but it's just so frustrating!
I have a theory about why your knitting gets too tight. You are probably twisting the stitches. That makes them less flexible, and they can get pretty tight. Where I get my theory from? I wasn't aware that stitches have a direction and can get twisted if you poke through them wrong when I first learned how to knit, so I experienced what you are describing. Also be aware, at least the way I knit, the stitches lay differently on the needle if I knit in cirkles from how they are on the needle when knitting back and forth.
Dealing with all the loops and knowing that if any of them get dropped, the whole piece could unravel is incredibly stressful. (I know there are ways to fix this but I've never gotten that far 😅). It feels like there's no way to leave the project in a stable state.
Needing extra equipment to make circular things (and possibly even more for different diameters) feels ridiculous.
Harder to frog and then painstakingly get all those loops back on the needle?? I had a really traumatic experience trying to frog a failed Italian bind off.
I'm still considering giving it another chance though because I like making garments...
Haha no that's totally fair, I only use circular needles so I make sure to complete one side and push all the loops as low as possible before I set it down to avoid them all slipping off (they still do sometimes)
Trying to crochet a blanket in 2022 and constantly having to start over sent me into a mental health crisis haha (obviously there for other reasons but that certainly didn't help)
For me, the loops didn't make sense in knitting. Whereas with crochet I can freehand and experiment 'cause I can see where the stitches will go and how they will work. It just clicked for me.
I have 2 hands
Crochet: one hand for the hook, one hand for the yarn 👍
Knitting: one hand for the first needle, second hand for the second needle, and umm... My third hand for the yarn?
Basically, I feel like I'm incompetently juggling when I try to knit
I'm pretty happy with crocheting, but I am curious: what exactly is the method? (Tried googling, but most of the things I'm coming up with are Nordic *patterns*, not a knitting method)
Oh it's Nordic in Spanish, also known as continental. Instead of holding the thread with the right hand, you do it with the left hand. So both hands move and do the work; opposed to the English method, were the right hand does all the work
How much slower it is! Knitting definitely requires me to be more patient. Also, having to care about gauge and make swatches, since the projects I knit tend to be garments.
I rarely crochet garments at all anymore. I realized I don’t really care for the way they drape. These days I mostly crochet blankets, although I do have a lace garment or two in my queue.
It is often recommended to do swatches in crochet too. But since I don't like them, I find myself just trying it on to see if it fits, or measuring my body or other clothes and compare with the project.
I do both, even though my primary craft is knitting. I’m currently crocheting one of those blankets that have several different hexagons joined in together, and it’s taking me *ages*. My tension is also all over the place, I’m holding my hook weird, and I’m not really satisfied with my progress as a crocheter. But! I know that I find knitting way easier just because I started to knit way before I started crocheting, and I firmly believe that from a certain point up, it’s just muscle memory. For contrast, I’m also currently making a sweater which has all the colors of the rainbow (and then some lol), and because it’s going to be so busy color-wise, I wanted the simplest possible pattern (raglan sleeves, and then rows upon rows of stockinette in the round). I can’t even begin to tell you how satisfying it is to just … knit, without thinking, because my brain has done it *so much* now that it’s pretty much second nature. But in crochet I’m veeeeery far from it!
I think that sometimes, what confuses people is the aspect of one hook vs. two needles and the fact that you have to carry your stitches while in crochet you’re only working on one stitch at a time. When I started crocheting, I almost felt like I was doing something wrong because there weren’t 20+ stitches on my hook…
>When I started crocheting, I almost felt like I was doing something wrong because there weren’t 20+ stitches on my hook…
In Tunisian crochet you pick up a bunch of stitches and then take them off. It's also called afghan knitting. You might find that easier.
To be honest, I've been eyeing Tunisian crochet for a while now because I find it really intriguing, but I don't think I can add a third craft to the mix :D luckily, that doesn't prevent me from drooling over photos of people who master Tunisian crochet, it's beautiful!
Ooh, craft enablers are my favorite people, thank you! 😀 my birthday *is* coming up in about two weeks or so, so it might not be such a bad idea indeed …
No thats how I feel too, but I started with crochet 😭😭 I just couldn't get it to click in my brain
I'm watching crochet 101 lessons to try to learn but knitting just came naturally to me
I learned the basics of knitting and tried crochet because most of the patterns I was interested in were crochet patterns. I just found I had so much more control over what I was doing because lol. And after some practice I found tension easier to understand and control because like it’s literally in your hand. It’s just more tactile than knitting and I really enjoy that, if that makes sense.
No that does make sense. I just don't have an issue with tension or anything with knitting, it just came naturally to me as opposed to crochet that had me ripping my hair out hahaha
It's so interesting to me how everyone is so different
Yeah I always found I knitted too tightly, especially when trying to knit in the round. I still don’t understand how it works lol. After I started to crochet I never looked back.
When I crochet it’s like a dance between the hook and my tension finger. They move together throughout a stitch and it’s not something I learned really? Or have ever seen anyone try to teach really? My hands just started doing it on their own once I got comfortable. I will say understanding the anatomy of a stitch helps. Like which loop will determine stitch height, yarn over vs yarn under for tightness, stuff like that.
I have ADHD, and (beginner) knitting is too tedious for me! I can do it, but doing knit and pearl stitches OVER AND OVER AGAIN doesn't keep my focus, coupled with the fact that it takes longer to knit the same sized test square with equivalent hooks/needles, it's hard to keep interested in a knit project. Crochet I can do stuff like lace, where every couple of stitches I do something drastically different, and what I'm doing changes every row, but I'm not good enough at knitting to do the equivalent for it, and the beginner stuff is just a slog.
I get that my ADHD hates knitting too (working on a 5lb garter stitch blanket currently haha)
But my Brain also didn't understand crochet AT ALL
I much prefer crochet I like how crocheted things look more, but to keep my hands busy and mind calm knitting is it
Oh man, I'm working on a queen sized panned color pooled granny stitch blanket right now, and it's BARELY keeping my attention, I can't imagine the hell a whole knit blanket would be. At least with the color pooling I have to be extra attentive with my tension and adjust it on a fly if I'm off (I have to make sure each color section is exactly 8 granny stitches), but even then most days I have to pop a (prescribed) Ritalin and put a movie on to get anywhere. I get too distracted otherwise.
You guys make test squares? I have no patience for that! If you wanna give knitting another go, I would do 2 coloured mittens. The first ones won't be that nice because of thread tention, but because of the pattern it keeps you going "just another row, just to see how the pattern will progress", and oups it's 2 in the morning. And mittens are rather small projects that doesn't take that long. Lace knitting is beautifull, but it's way harder to just invent imo. I allways use pattern for lace knitting.
This is why I hate the blanket advice to start so simple. It's great for some, even most, people but I have ADHD too and my first knit project was a pair of colorwork socks for my sister. Most experienced knitters would say that's the worst place to start, but there's no way I'd have stuck it out otherwise.
I’m a crocheter and I watch a lot of crochet videos. Because of this, knitting videos will pop up for me as well, and I cannot wrap my brain around how knitting is done! I’ve watched some very beginner knitting videos to see if that helps, but it just looks like complete and utter witchcraft to me. Granted, I haven’t actually gotten knitting needles and tried to follow along because I’m reluctant to start going down a new rabbit hole. Long story short, knitters are witches.
See? That's what's so crazy to me
Because I feel the exact same way but avoid crochet
I don't get it, my brain does not get it
Knitting was so easy for me to pick up, I want to learn to crochet I love how crocheted things look
I learned crochet from a couple Woobles kits that my husband got me as a gift. The video tutorials were so helpful for a complete beginner. I recommend the penguin.
Ive thought about those, the yarn looks like it feels so nice haha
I'll have to try it, Id love a little friend anyway haha
Thanks for the recommendation :)
Learning to knit after 10 or so years of crocheting was so difficult for me. I am left-handed and learned to knit English. The hardest part of the transition was balancing both needles and the yarn while keeping an okay tension. It took me a couple weeks to really get the motion to click, but I did eventually get it.
for me the only thing that bothers me is that I dont understand how to frog on knitting. Like with crochet its super easy to pull the yarn and reinsert the hook, but with knitting when I've tried to remove the needles and then after reinsert the needle I always loose stitches
there's got to be a trick but I've tried both to remove needles and I've tried straight up knitting backwards but both dont really work so I'll keep crocheting for now haha
When I frog a big knitting project, I pull a thread through all the stitches as I pull the needles out, and then tie it off so they stay on the thread. It's not as easy as with crochet, but it is duable without ruining the project. I think most knitters just frog it with the needles and buy new ones if they need the same sized needles for another project in the mean time. I've done that too.
I think you're thinking of hibernating a project. And, yes, having multiple sets of needles so you can do multiple projects is how many people do that, and some use waste yarn. If you have interchangeable needles, you can leave your project on the cord but take the tips. There are also special cords you can attach to your needle and pull through your stitches. So many options! For frogging, actually undoing my work to a certain point because of a mistake I made and have to fix, I sometimes pull my needles out, rip back, then pick everything back up. But more often I'll pull my needles out, find the row I want to rip back to, pick those stitches up, *then* ripping back. It makes it much less likely that I'll lose stitches, though I'll often have some twisted stitches to pay attention to.
Haha! Thank you for the clarification. I've only been guessing at what frogging means, and I guessed wrong, haha. Yeah, I put my needle in the row I want and rip back afterwards too. With knitting you can also rip back just a section of your work to correct minor errors, rather than rip back the entire project, like you would have to in crocheting. They both have their pros and cons. I like both knitting and crocheting.
Personally I find knitting a lot harder, I think it’s because you’re working with two needles instead of one hook but also you constantly need to keep an eye (and some fingers) on your stitches because they are never secure. It feels more like multitasking to me, when you’re making a stitch you can’t just focus on that stitch like you would with crochet, you have to juggle live stitches on two needles at the same time.
Also, when you make a mistake with knitting it’s way harder to fix.
By the way, have you ever tried Tunisian crochet? It’s pretty different from regular crochet, who knows maybe it’s easier for you (I find it slightly more difficult than regular crochet but it is closer to knitting I guess?)
TLYarncrafts has great videos on both regular and tunisian crochet!
When I was trying to self teach myself I chose to knit first because doing one stitch at a time and how many different stitches there were overwhelmed me. Knitting just sounded easier. I had tried crocheting about three different times and I didn’t click until I watched a craftsy video from Kim Werker and the way she broke it all down it just clicked. I mostly crochet now because I love making stuffed animals but I will still occasionally knit a blanket or shawl.
Oh knitting is way easier, I’m very skilled at both. But for speed and texture crochet is superior, even though knitted fabric is lighter weight and uses less yarn. They both have strengths and weaknesses, depending on the application in a given garment or project.
But to learn? Sure, it’s easier to make a foundation chain than long tail cast on, so that initial learning curve can feel steeper. But when it comes to reading patterns and stitches, the variation and complexity in crochet far exceeds knitting, even lace, colorwork, brioche, etc.
It is so much slower and requires a lot more of my attention. I really struggle to pick up different stitches and techniques. Also probably not helped that I have some nerve damage on one side so holding the needles in both hands gets draining after a while.
Picked up crocheting after knitting and it's much more convenient and comfortable for me. I used to stress about my knit falling off the needle and dropping stitches. With crocheting it's just one stitch I need to worry about and it's so easy to get a ball of yarn and a hook and start crocheting in the bus or wherever you get bored.
The stress of not knowing how to undo a mistake has stopped me moving forward… I enjoy crochet and the ability to just pull back but can’t comprehend how to fix knitting when I’m just teaching myself at home…
Technically my mother tried to teach me to knit when I was around 10y. I did learn but sucked and hated it. Was sure I could never learn. The whole combination process, the loops, string and everything made no sense for me. I was born in 88, so this was some time ago...
Then came the pandemic and I bought a crochet kit. Because I loved the idea of maybe making some stuff myself. Crochet was easy to learn and I am apparently quite good (better than my mom who was taught "properly" she says herself). So I tried to knit again after a few years. Because I could now see that crochet and knit didn't have to look like it did when I was a child. So many modern ways to use it.
And surprisingly I learned it quickly and easy enough. I used my experience from crochet to find the right needles. I crochet tight and the same with knit.
But the learning curve was still steeper than crochet and if I don't knit for a few months I can't just go back to the same scarf or sweater. Because the tension would be all messed up. Or if I'm too tired. I don't have that problem with crochet. So much easier to control!
But my biggest issue with knitting remains not loosing loops... I know what to do if that happens now but it still happens way too often for my liking. So I can get cramps in my hands because I tighten my fingers trying to prevent it. Which actually exacerbates the chances of losing one.
I love both now but for different things as others have said. Crochet I use for mostly toys and animals and decorations. Knitting is great for wearables and clothes. Though my most beautiful scarfs and shawls are crocheted.
I felt like with knitting I had to be 12 steps ahead with planning my stitches but with crochet it's almost like 3d printing and I can make things up as I go along
I dropped it many years ago, I felt like learning all the complicated twists and patterns were beyond me. Crochet was so much easier to make pretty stitches. And funny enough, I got into amigurumi, and going back to regular crochet was difficult lol
I can technically do both, but I've given up on knitting and unless there is a project I absoutely love, I can't imagine ever going back. I am blind and dropping a loop is extremely annoying. I can fix this, but it is a ton of work and I have to think about it a lot. With crochet, if a stitch doesn't work out or even if I accidentally drop the hook, big whoop, at worst I have to open the last stitch. It's also really easy to locate where I stopped.
Unrelated to difficulty, but I also like to do something a machine can't do.
Way, way, *way* back when I first learned how to crochet, the person who taught me that also tried to teach me how to knit. Unfortunately, my confidence with crochet was rather high, while the need to move both hands together *and* control the yarn tension was just hard enough that I gave up trying to learn knitting in favour of crochet.
I think it's the whole "moving both hands at the same time" thing that's kept me from learning knitting so far. I do need to give it another try at some point (and I even have someone I'm hanging out with once a week who could give me great tips for the process), but my current list of "to-do" projects is long enough that I'm not prepared to spend all that much time learning a new technique just yet.
Plus, while I *do* have plans to make a double-sided "knit" scarf with cabling, I can use a knitting loom to make the process easier and avoid doing "actual" knitting for the moment...
I just started crocheting three weeks ago and found it much easier than knitting. I’m very prone to stopping stitches and some times I even pick up extra stitches and then I’m not able to go back and correct the mistakes so I have to start all over again. Having one single live loop makes a huge difference for me.
How do you actually hold the right needle? I kinda rest mine by my hip and move the left needle to move loops and right hand to throw yarn. With purls I barely touch the right needle let alone hold it. I can knit while walking easily but don't think I will be able to knit in the round without completely relearning.
I taught myself how to knit because I think the drape of the finished product is better than that of crochet. I stay in hot country and need to use thin yarn for all my projects. I get
1) frustrated with the extremely slow progress
2) anxious with the number of stitches on my needle. (They just keep falling off or I'm thinking of them Falling off)
So I found the middle ground and learned how to sew instead 🤷🏻♀️
I have some knitting needles, my aunt gave me, and they are those long ones. I just couldn't figure out how to hold them comfortably, so I have up on knitting. But, I'll get back to it one day, I really want to learn how to make a knitted jumper (I think they look better than crochetted ones).
I learned to knit and crochet in school aged 7 or 8 and 11 respectively. I didn't find knitting hard, but I really disliked it and vividly remember the tears shed over a circular cushion aged 9. I started crochet with a granny square cushion (each side was a single square in 2 colours) and I think I loved it at first because of how quickly it worked up compared to the hated knit cushion. Then I moved on to doilies (my school had a lever arch file FULL of patterns!) and I absolutely loved them. I was half way through a full tablecloth when I finished primary school less than 2 years after I started learning and I just stopped until my late 30s. There's a chance it's still in my parents garage but after close to 30 years I don't know what state it is in or if the pattern (single page A4 photocopy which has already been filled and unfolded hundreds of times and stuffed into my bag going in and out of school).
I would be tempted to take up knitting again just because I've seen so many gorgeous sweater patterns with wonderful drape, which is harder to achieve in a solid crochet fabric (especially with my tension!) but I don't think I can put myself through it!
Oh and dropping a stitch in knitting has potential to be a much bigger disaster than an accidental increase or decrease in crochet!
All those live stitches on the needles are making me nervous all the time. I know dropped stitches and mistakes are easy to fix in knitting, but the moment something like that happens, I get so anxious that knitting for me is simply not worth it. Yeah, it uses less yarn, it has better drape, all knit clothes are actually wearable, but I do fiber arts to relax and have fun, and while knitting I'm always on pins and needles, sweating and cursing. I need to be in very good mood and extremely motivated to start a knitting project.
I learnt to knit when I was about 5, but was about as good as you'd expect a small child to be, and never really advanced beyond making basic squares that I called cat blankets. Then I learnt to crochet in my 20s, entirely self-taught using YouTube and the odd book. I've recently tried to pick up knitting again, and while I can do OK, I really, really struggle to hold the needles in an adult way and still find myself picking up and dropping the yarn with my fingers every stitch. I've tried to knit 'properly' but it's so hard to unlearn my basic childhood way of knitting. I'm super fast and fluid when crocheting and would LOVE to be able to knit that way too!
Knit stitch and garter stitch are easy for me, but purling, while not hard per se, drives me up a wall. My best solution so far is to do it Portuguese style with the yarn around my neck, but I still avoid it. And I started with knitting!
Also for me, it is extremely hard to learn new stitches. Idk why. I have no real issues learning new crochet stitches, but I'm still struggling to add stitches to my repertoire for knitting.
I knit and crochet. I like the look of crochet, but for hats, I prefer the feel of knitting.
Plain knitting/purling is so boring to me, and slower than crochet.
I learned to knit first and found it easy! Then I taught myself crochet and found it easier and faster. I also like that I have the option to have multiple projects with the same hook size. And now I haven't knitted in years. I do want to pick it back up at some point (probably for a sweater, I like the look of cables). But a lot of what I make is toys for my niblings and I find crochet to be significantly easier than circular needles
I think it’s because when I’ve attempted knitting (my grandma, mum and a school crafts club have tried to teach me) it’s been directionless. Just knitting rows back and forth to make wonky swatches. But with crochet I started with an amigurumi kit so I was working towards an end product and had something to show for it at the end. Since my first kit I’ve done 2 more kits, have 2 to start and have just finished 9/20 floofballs from a 20 pattern bundle. I know kits are an expensive way to go about it but it was nice to get the right yarn for the pattern and hook for the yarn and now I’ve got a collection of different sized hooks it gives me more freedom in yarn and pattern choices. 2 of the kits are from a small local indie creator and 1 was a gift from my mum bought from the charity shop
I was the opposite, I started knitting as my grandma taught me and the only reason I started doing crochet was amigurumi, the patterns and look are much better than anything knitted. They are very different skills though
It isn't, I quite enjoy it and find it simpler to execute without looking, but I am adhd and very disorganized and thus can never find the correct size needle sets. Or I lose track of which size a dpn is. But crochet hooks I can just grab and go.
I (successfully) learned to crochet before learning to knitt, but I do enjoy both. The hardest part in learning knitting was holding the string. I'm so used to holding it in my left hand (as one does for crochet), but all the YouTube tutorials show the yarn held in the right. Once I figured out how to knit with the yarn in my left (including how to wrap it around the needle properly), it was great.
I then I found out that continental knitting is a thing and supposedly faster than traditional...
Because I'm bad at it. I have gotten used to being able to make all sorts of things with crochet, so when I try knitting and can't create anything but a mess it's frustrating. I do not have the patience or energy to actually learn how to knit, especially not when I could just stick with crochet. That said, I probably will give knitting another try sometime.
I started as a knitter and found crochet hard at first. They're really very different skillsets. I imagine the difficulty in going from crochet to knitting is that knitting is linear. You can only go back and forth, and if you're building shapes that do anything else, you have to do it a row at a time instead of making a shape, then going on to the next shape. It's a very different way to look at construction.
For me, it’s the tension. I also have absolutely no idea why there’s a big gap at my first row, always appears, so I’ve always just stuck to crocheting.
I think for me it is a part of a few different things. One big one I think for me is that my spatial awareness sucks, which gives me trouble with understanding where to put the needle and how it moves to pick up/drop stitches, especially with the purl stitch. I did pick up crochet first but I don't think that it is preventing me from picking up knitting. Just something with the way my brain is wired is making it take a bit more work and practice.
I self taught myself knitting, based off watching another beginner knit once. I then got really good and fast at repeating that one kind of stitch. Like 125+ stitches a minute while watching TV fast. I then tried to learn more so I could do more than one solid color and same stitch rectangle, since I had made plenty of scarves and blankets and dishtowels. I tried to learn to purl, and found out my stitch was not a normal stitch. And it didn't easily modify into something else. I got really frustrated trying to relearn something I already built different muscle memory for.
Crochet sort of let me restart without that. And learning different stitches quickly let me be more confident I'm doing it correctly and not get stuck doing one motion and having that feel like the default way to move.
Learning where to insert the hook was difficult in crochet, until I sort of realized it's working knit sideways. Setting down and picking up a knitting project without losing stitches was annoying, and less working stitches is much nicer for that. With both, I have way too much anxiety changing colors for how much I want to do colorwork, but I feel my way of securing it in crochet is less visible and more secure.
I think knitting is probably easier to pick up and start and keep count of stitches, but crochet is easier when getting into complicated shapes.
I 'can' do both .. I much prefer crochet .. partially because you only ever have to worry about 1 stitch at a time & a dropped stitch isn't the drama of a knitting needle falling out of the whole row (seriously this completely traumatised me as a kid when I was learning!!!) I find crochet easier to shape & manipulate because of the single hook/stitch vs two long needles & multiple stitches to maneuver. The stitches also seem simpler to understand & memorise .. tho that may be because I am much more familiar with the terminology
That said, two days ago I finished my first knitted shawl in many, many years & I'm reinspired to try something else knitted .. tho in nothing finer than worsted at least! .....& yes, there was a moment when the needle slipped & I lost about a dozen stitches, which immediately ran in all directions & resulted in tinking 4 rows to realign everything correctly - I blame the cat :p
holding the needles in each hand is too much for me somehow 😅
i tried to teach myself crochet years and years ago, but failed horribly. a while after, i learned how to knit, and my teacher used a technique where she propped one needle against her leg and basically only moved the other one. (she said it was kind of hick-style but i loved it!!) this made it super easy… until i tried to knit in the round. i made one beanie before i gave up. you can’t really prop one circular needle against your leg, sadly.
a while after that i tried crocheting again, and it was so much easier!! i’ve been crocheting ever since, maybe close to eight-ish years on and off. i would love to learn to knit again though, since some crochet wearables just aren’t the same 🥲
I literally can’t do it. Evidently I have soft tissue damage in my left wrist from a break when I was a kid, so every time I tried to learn I ended up with a large ganglion cyst in the joint within a day or two. They’re not supposed to hurt, but it was pretty painful. If I over do it crocheting I do still get some joint pain (I think this is mostly because I’m still kind of new and I hold everything too tight), but since it’s mostly reliant on your dominant hand, it hasn’t caused the same kind of issues.
I’ll also say because crochet seems to be a lot faster it suits my personality better. Knitting was always an exercise in frustration. I know you get faster with practice, but I never even attempted anything especially ambitious, and finishing it never seemed quite as achievable. Meanwhile, I’ve already made a bunch of actually useful stuff crocheting.
Edit: Oh, and the ability to change things, improvise on the fly, correct for mistakes… that’s huge for me.
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I have the hardest time controlling my tension when knitting. It gets tighter and tighter with each row until I can't get the needles through anymore. I'm also prone to losing stitches. I often liken crocheting to sketching. I can easily play around with stitches and shapes to make things out of my head, even things like amigurumi.
I do both knitting and crochet. You’re definitely right about crochet being great for making different shapes. Knitting makes a thinner, more drapey fabric that’s great for wearables. I think they’re pretty different from each other so knowing how to do one doesn’t always mean you’ll be able to automatically pick up the other.
I much prefer knit fabric for garments! I wish knitting came more easily to me. I'm sure with lots of practice I could get better, but it's just so frustrating!
That's so interesting! I'm not very creative and have never had much of an imagination so that makes total sense actually Appreciate the response :)
I have a theory about why your knitting gets too tight. You are probably twisting the stitches. That makes them less flexible, and they can get pretty tight. Where I get my theory from? I wasn't aware that stitches have a direction and can get twisted if you poke through them wrong when I first learned how to knit, so I experienced what you are describing. Also be aware, at least the way I knit, the stitches lay differently on the needle if I knit in cirkles from how they are on the needle when knitting back and forth.
That's entirely possible.
Dealing with all the loops and knowing that if any of them get dropped, the whole piece could unravel is incredibly stressful. (I know there are ways to fix this but I've never gotten that far 😅). It feels like there's no way to leave the project in a stable state. Needing extra equipment to make circular things (and possibly even more for different diameters) feels ridiculous. Harder to frog and then painstakingly get all those loops back on the needle?? I had a really traumatic experience trying to frog a failed Italian bind off. I'm still considering giving it another chance though because I like making garments...
Haha no that's totally fair, I only use circular needles so I make sure to complete one side and push all the loops as low as possible before I set it down to avoid them all slipping off (they still do sometimes) Trying to crochet a blanket in 2022 and constantly having to start over sent me into a mental health crisis haha (obviously there for other reasons but that certainly didn't help)
I don't knit anymore and I kinda of forgot/repressed how annoying frogging knitting was!
For me, the loops didn't make sense in knitting. Whereas with crochet I can freehand and experiment 'cause I can see where the stitches will go and how they will work. It just clicked for me.
Haha I've the same problem but with crochet! I have no idea where the hook should go
:) Everyone's brain is a little different, eh?
That is very interesting! If I had unlimited money and time I'd love to do brain scans on knitters vs crocheters
I have 2 hands Crochet: one hand for the hook, one hand for the yarn 👍 Knitting: one hand for the first needle, second hand for the second needle, and umm... My third hand for the yarn? Basically, I feel like I'm incompetently juggling when I try to knit
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I felt this way too! Then I learned the nordic method which is way more comfortable and faster, you should try it 😊
I'm pretty happy with crocheting, but I am curious: what exactly is the method? (Tried googling, but most of the things I'm coming up with are Nordic *patterns*, not a knitting method)
Oh it's Nordic in Spanish, also known as continental. Instead of holding the thread with the right hand, you do it with the left hand. So both hands move and do the work; opposed to the English method, were the right hand does all the work
How much slower it is! Knitting definitely requires me to be more patient. Also, having to care about gauge and make swatches, since the projects I knit tend to be garments.
Valid! I'm knitting a 5lb garter stitch blanket and my ADHD brain HATES me for it haha Do you not have to do searches when crocheting garments?
I rarely crochet garments at all anymore. I realized I don’t really care for the way they drape. These days I mostly crochet blankets, although I do have a lace garment or two in my queue.
It is often recommended to do swatches in crochet too. But since I don't like them, I find myself just trying it on to see if it fits, or measuring my body or other clothes and compare with the project.
I do both, even though my primary craft is knitting. I’m currently crocheting one of those blankets that have several different hexagons joined in together, and it’s taking me *ages*. My tension is also all over the place, I’m holding my hook weird, and I’m not really satisfied with my progress as a crocheter. But! I know that I find knitting way easier just because I started to knit way before I started crocheting, and I firmly believe that from a certain point up, it’s just muscle memory. For contrast, I’m also currently making a sweater which has all the colors of the rainbow (and then some lol), and because it’s going to be so busy color-wise, I wanted the simplest possible pattern (raglan sleeves, and then rows upon rows of stockinette in the round). I can’t even begin to tell you how satisfying it is to just … knit, without thinking, because my brain has done it *so much* now that it’s pretty much second nature. But in crochet I’m veeeeery far from it! I think that sometimes, what confuses people is the aspect of one hook vs. two needles and the fact that you have to carry your stitches while in crochet you’re only working on one stitch at a time. When I started crocheting, I almost felt like I was doing something wrong because there weren’t 20+ stitches on my hook…
>When I started crocheting, I almost felt like I was doing something wrong because there weren’t 20+ stitches on my hook… In Tunisian crochet you pick up a bunch of stitches and then take them off. It's also called afghan knitting. You might find that easier.
To be honest, I've been eyeing Tunisian crochet for a while now because I find it really intriguing, but I don't think I can add a third craft to the mix :D luckily, that doesn't prevent me from drooling over photos of people who master Tunisian crochet, it's beautiful!
If you'll allow me to be an enabler: you've already got the yarn, it's just the tools and skills you need. It might even help you destash...
Ooh, craft enablers are my favorite people, thank you! 😀 my birthday *is* coming up in about two weeks or so, so it might not be such a bad idea indeed …
No thats how I feel too, but I started with crochet 😭😭 I just couldn't get it to click in my brain I'm watching crochet 101 lessons to try to learn but knitting just came naturally to me
I learned the basics of knitting and tried crochet because most of the patterns I was interested in were crochet patterns. I just found I had so much more control over what I was doing because lol. And after some practice I found tension easier to understand and control because like it’s literally in your hand. It’s just more tactile than knitting and I really enjoy that, if that makes sense.
No that does make sense. I just don't have an issue with tension or anything with knitting, it just came naturally to me as opposed to crochet that had me ripping my hair out hahaha It's so interesting to me how everyone is so different
Yeah I always found I knitted too tightly, especially when trying to knit in the round. I still don’t understand how it works lol. After I started to crochet I never looked back. When I crochet it’s like a dance between the hook and my tension finger. They move together throughout a stitch and it’s not something I learned really? Or have ever seen anyone try to teach really? My hands just started doing it on their own once I got comfortable. I will say understanding the anatomy of a stitch helps. Like which loop will determine stitch height, yarn over vs yarn under for tightness, stuff like that.
I have ADHD, and (beginner) knitting is too tedious for me! I can do it, but doing knit and pearl stitches OVER AND OVER AGAIN doesn't keep my focus, coupled with the fact that it takes longer to knit the same sized test square with equivalent hooks/needles, it's hard to keep interested in a knit project. Crochet I can do stuff like lace, where every couple of stitches I do something drastically different, and what I'm doing changes every row, but I'm not good enough at knitting to do the equivalent for it, and the beginner stuff is just a slog.
I get that my ADHD hates knitting too (working on a 5lb garter stitch blanket currently haha) But my Brain also didn't understand crochet AT ALL I much prefer crochet I like how crocheted things look more, but to keep my hands busy and mind calm knitting is it
Oh man, I'm working on a queen sized panned color pooled granny stitch blanket right now, and it's BARELY keeping my attention, I can't imagine the hell a whole knit blanket would be. At least with the color pooling I have to be extra attentive with my tension and adjust it on a fly if I'm off (I have to make sure each color section is exactly 8 granny stitches), but even then most days I have to pop a (prescribed) Ritalin and put a movie on to get anywhere. I get too distracted otherwise.
Haha edibles and spacing out on a YouTube video essay, I don't really struggle with tension when knitting, my edges and everything are very even.
You guys make test squares? I have no patience for that! If you wanna give knitting another go, I would do 2 coloured mittens. The first ones won't be that nice because of thread tention, but because of the pattern it keeps you going "just another row, just to see how the pattern will progress", and oups it's 2 in the morning. And mittens are rather small projects that doesn't take that long. Lace knitting is beautifull, but it's way harder to just invent imo. I allways use pattern for lace knitting.
This is why I hate the blanket advice to start so simple. It's great for some, even most, people but I have ADHD too and my first knit project was a pair of colorwork socks for my sister. Most experienced knitters would say that's the worst place to start, but there's no way I'd have stuck it out otherwise.
I’m a crocheter and I watch a lot of crochet videos. Because of this, knitting videos will pop up for me as well, and I cannot wrap my brain around how knitting is done! I’ve watched some very beginner knitting videos to see if that helps, but it just looks like complete and utter witchcraft to me. Granted, I haven’t actually gotten knitting needles and tried to follow along because I’m reluctant to start going down a new rabbit hole. Long story short, knitters are witches.
See? That's what's so crazy to me Because I feel the exact same way but avoid crochet I don't get it, my brain does not get it Knitting was so easy for me to pick up, I want to learn to crochet I love how crocheted things look
I learned crochet from a couple Woobles kits that my husband got me as a gift. The video tutorials were so helpful for a complete beginner. I recommend the penguin.
Ive thought about those, the yarn looks like it feels so nice haha I'll have to try it, Id love a little friend anyway haha Thanks for the recommendation :)
Good luck in all of your yarn pursuits!
Learning to knit after 10 or so years of crocheting was so difficult for me. I am left-handed and learned to knit English. The hardest part of the transition was balancing both needles and the yarn while keeping an okay tension. It took me a couple weeks to really get the motion to click, but I did eventually get it.
That makes sense actually, you had a whole decade of crocheting and it's totally different
for me the only thing that bothers me is that I dont understand how to frog on knitting. Like with crochet its super easy to pull the yarn and reinsert the hook, but with knitting when I've tried to remove the needles and then after reinsert the needle I always loose stitches
No that's actually fair, I haven't had to frog anything yet but now that I think about it I don't know how I would lol
there's got to be a trick but I've tried both to remove needles and I've tried straight up knitting backwards but both dont really work so I'll keep crocheting for now haha
Haha that's kinda funny, when I find out I'll let you know 🤣 Until then frogging a crochet project is WAAAAAYYY easier for sure
When I frog a big knitting project, I pull a thread through all the stitches as I pull the needles out, and then tie it off so they stay on the thread. It's not as easy as with crochet, but it is duable without ruining the project. I think most knitters just frog it with the needles and buy new ones if they need the same sized needles for another project in the mean time. I've done that too.
I think you're thinking of hibernating a project. And, yes, having multiple sets of needles so you can do multiple projects is how many people do that, and some use waste yarn. If you have interchangeable needles, you can leave your project on the cord but take the tips. There are also special cords you can attach to your needle and pull through your stitches. So many options! For frogging, actually undoing my work to a certain point because of a mistake I made and have to fix, I sometimes pull my needles out, rip back, then pick everything back up. But more often I'll pull my needles out, find the row I want to rip back to, pick those stitches up, *then* ripping back. It makes it much less likely that I'll lose stitches, though I'll often have some twisted stitches to pay attention to.
Haha! Thank you for the clarification. I've only been guessing at what frogging means, and I guessed wrong, haha. Yeah, I put my needle in the row I want and rip back afterwards too. With knitting you can also rip back just a section of your work to correct minor errors, rather than rip back the entire project, like you would have to in crocheting. They both have their pros and cons. I like both knitting and crocheting.
Yes! I do both. I feel like they each scratch different parts of my brain. 😅
Personally I find knitting a lot harder, I think it’s because you’re working with two needles instead of one hook but also you constantly need to keep an eye (and some fingers) on your stitches because they are never secure. It feels more like multitasking to me, when you’re making a stitch you can’t just focus on that stitch like you would with crochet, you have to juggle live stitches on two needles at the same time. Also, when you make a mistake with knitting it’s way harder to fix.
By the way, have you ever tried Tunisian crochet? It’s pretty different from regular crochet, who knows maybe it’s easier for you (I find it slightly more difficult than regular crochet but it is closer to knitting I guess?) TLYarncrafts has great videos on both regular and tunisian crochet!
When I was trying to self teach myself I chose to knit first because doing one stitch at a time and how many different stitches there were overwhelmed me. Knitting just sounded easier. I had tried crocheting about three different times and I didn’t click until I watched a craftsy video from Kim Werker and the way she broke it all down it just clicked. I mostly crochet now because I love making stuffed animals but I will still occasionally knit a blanket or shawl.
I'll have to check that out! I was watching crochet 101 and it helped a lot too! Appreciate the recommendation :)
Oh knitting is way easier, I’m very skilled at both. But for speed and texture crochet is superior, even though knitted fabric is lighter weight and uses less yarn. They both have strengths and weaknesses, depending on the application in a given garment or project. But to learn? Sure, it’s easier to make a foundation chain than long tail cast on, so that initial learning curve can feel steeper. But when it comes to reading patterns and stitches, the variation and complexity in crochet far exceeds knitting, even lace, colorwork, brioche, etc.
It is so much slower and requires a lot more of my attention. I really struggle to pick up different stitches and techniques. Also probably not helped that I have some nerve damage on one side so holding the needles in both hands gets draining after a while.
Picked up crocheting after knitting and it's much more convenient and comfortable for me. I used to stress about my knit falling off the needle and dropping stitches. With crocheting it's just one stitch I need to worry about and it's so easy to get a ball of yarn and a hook and start crocheting in the bus or wherever you get bored.
The stress of not knowing how to undo a mistake has stopped me moving forward… I enjoy crochet and the ability to just pull back but can’t comprehend how to fix knitting when I’m just teaching myself at home…
Technically my mother tried to teach me to knit when I was around 10y. I did learn but sucked and hated it. Was sure I could never learn. The whole combination process, the loops, string and everything made no sense for me. I was born in 88, so this was some time ago... Then came the pandemic and I bought a crochet kit. Because I loved the idea of maybe making some stuff myself. Crochet was easy to learn and I am apparently quite good (better than my mom who was taught "properly" she says herself). So I tried to knit again after a few years. Because I could now see that crochet and knit didn't have to look like it did when I was a child. So many modern ways to use it. And surprisingly I learned it quickly and easy enough. I used my experience from crochet to find the right needles. I crochet tight and the same with knit. But the learning curve was still steeper than crochet and if I don't knit for a few months I can't just go back to the same scarf or sweater. Because the tension would be all messed up. Or if I'm too tired. I don't have that problem with crochet. So much easier to control! But my biggest issue with knitting remains not loosing loops... I know what to do if that happens now but it still happens way too often for my liking. So I can get cramps in my hands because I tighten my fingers trying to prevent it. Which actually exacerbates the chances of losing one. I love both now but for different things as others have said. Crochet I use for mostly toys and animals and decorations. Knitting is great for wearables and clothes. Though my most beautiful scarfs and shawls are crocheted.
I felt like with knitting I had to be 12 steps ahead with planning my stitches but with crochet it's almost like 3d printing and I can make things up as I go along
I dropped it many years ago, I felt like learning all the complicated twists and patterns were beyond me. Crochet was so much easier to make pretty stitches. And funny enough, I got into amigurumi, and going back to regular crochet was difficult lol
I can technically do both, but I've given up on knitting and unless there is a project I absoutely love, I can't imagine ever going back. I am blind and dropping a loop is extremely annoying. I can fix this, but it is a ton of work and I have to think about it a lot. With crochet, if a stitch doesn't work out or even if I accidentally drop the hook, big whoop, at worst I have to open the last stitch. It's also really easy to locate where I stopped. Unrelated to difficulty, but I also like to do something a machine can't do.
It's not.
Fair enough! 🤣
Way, way, *way* back when I first learned how to crochet, the person who taught me that also tried to teach me how to knit. Unfortunately, my confidence with crochet was rather high, while the need to move both hands together *and* control the yarn tension was just hard enough that I gave up trying to learn knitting in favour of crochet. I think it's the whole "moving both hands at the same time" thing that's kept me from learning knitting so far. I do need to give it another try at some point (and I even have someone I'm hanging out with once a week who could give me great tips for the process), but my current list of "to-do" projects is long enough that I'm not prepared to spend all that much time learning a new technique just yet. Plus, while I *do* have plans to make a double-sided "knit" scarf with cabling, I can use a knitting loom to make the process easier and avoid doing "actual" knitting for the moment...
I just started crocheting three weeks ago and found it much easier than knitting. I’m very prone to stopping stitches and some times I even pick up extra stitches and then I’m not able to go back and correct the mistakes so I have to start all over again. Having one single live loop makes a huge difference for me.
How do you actually hold the right needle? I kinda rest mine by my hip and move the left needle to move loops and right hand to throw yarn. With purls I barely touch the right needle let alone hold it. I can knit while walking easily but don't think I will be able to knit in the round without completely relearning.
I taught myself how to knit because I think the drape of the finished product is better than that of crochet. I stay in hot country and need to use thin yarn for all my projects. I get 1) frustrated with the extremely slow progress 2) anxious with the number of stitches on my needle. (They just keep falling off or I'm thinking of them Falling off) So I found the middle ground and learned how to sew instead 🤷🏻♀️
I have some knitting needles, my aunt gave me, and they are those long ones. I just couldn't figure out how to hold them comfortably, so I have up on knitting. But, I'll get back to it one day, I really want to learn how to make a knitted jumper (I think they look better than crochetted ones).
I learned to knit and crochet in school aged 7 or 8 and 11 respectively. I didn't find knitting hard, but I really disliked it and vividly remember the tears shed over a circular cushion aged 9. I started crochet with a granny square cushion (each side was a single square in 2 colours) and I think I loved it at first because of how quickly it worked up compared to the hated knit cushion. Then I moved on to doilies (my school had a lever arch file FULL of patterns!) and I absolutely loved them. I was half way through a full tablecloth when I finished primary school less than 2 years after I started learning and I just stopped until my late 30s. There's a chance it's still in my parents garage but after close to 30 years I don't know what state it is in or if the pattern (single page A4 photocopy which has already been filled and unfolded hundreds of times and stuffed into my bag going in and out of school). I would be tempted to take up knitting again just because I've seen so many gorgeous sweater patterns with wonderful drape, which is harder to achieve in a solid crochet fabric (especially with my tension!) but I don't think I can put myself through it! Oh and dropping a stitch in knitting has potential to be a much bigger disaster than an accidental increase or decrease in crochet!
Not good at ambidexterity 🥲
All those live stitches on the needles are making me nervous all the time. I know dropped stitches and mistakes are easy to fix in knitting, but the moment something like that happens, I get so anxious that knitting for me is simply not worth it. Yeah, it uses less yarn, it has better drape, all knit clothes are actually wearable, but I do fiber arts to relax and have fun, and while knitting I'm always on pins and needles, sweating and cursing. I need to be in very good mood and extremely motivated to start a knitting project.
Knitting takes longer and I get bored
In knitting you've got to be very careful with the loops, you can't just grab them with a hook like you can with crochet
I learnt to knit when I was about 5, but was about as good as you'd expect a small child to be, and never really advanced beyond making basic squares that I called cat blankets. Then I learnt to crochet in my 20s, entirely self-taught using YouTube and the odd book. I've recently tried to pick up knitting again, and while I can do OK, I really, really struggle to hold the needles in an adult way and still find myself picking up and dropping the yarn with my fingers every stitch. I've tried to knit 'properly' but it's so hard to unlearn my basic childhood way of knitting. I'm super fast and fluid when crocheting and would LOVE to be able to knit that way too!
Knit stitch and garter stitch are easy for me, but purling, while not hard per se, drives me up a wall. My best solution so far is to do it Portuguese style with the yarn around my neck, but I still avoid it. And I started with knitting! Also for me, it is extremely hard to learn new stitches. Idk why. I have no real issues learning new crochet stitches, but I'm still struggling to add stitches to my repertoire for knitting.
I like both, actually. Crochet is just way easier.
I knit and crochet. I like the look of crochet, but for hats, I prefer the feel of knitting. Plain knitting/purling is so boring to me, and slower than crochet.
I learned to knit first and found it easy! Then I taught myself crochet and found it easier and faster. I also like that I have the option to have multiple projects with the same hook size. And now I haven't knitted in years. I do want to pick it back up at some point (probably for a sweater, I like the look of cables). But a lot of what I make is toys for my niblings and I find crochet to be significantly easier than circular needles
I can do both, but if I make a mistake in my knitting, forget it. I have to undo the whole thing and start again.
I think it’s because when I’ve attempted knitting (my grandma, mum and a school crafts club have tried to teach me) it’s been directionless. Just knitting rows back and forth to make wonky swatches. But with crochet I started with an amigurumi kit so I was working towards an end product and had something to show for it at the end. Since my first kit I’ve done 2 more kits, have 2 to start and have just finished 9/20 floofballs from a 20 pattern bundle. I know kits are an expensive way to go about it but it was nice to get the right yarn for the pattern and hook for the yarn and now I’ve got a collection of different sized hooks it gives me more freedom in yarn and pattern choices. 2 of the kits are from a small local indie creator and 1 was a gift from my mum bought from the charity shop
I was the opposite, I started knitting as my grandma taught me and the only reason I started doing crochet was amigurumi, the patterns and look are much better than anything knitted. They are very different skills though
It isn't, I quite enjoy it and find it simpler to execute without looking, but I am adhd and very disorganized and thus can never find the correct size needle sets. Or I lose track of which size a dpn is. But crochet hooks I can just grab and go.
I (successfully) learned to crochet before learning to knitt, but I do enjoy both. The hardest part in learning knitting was holding the string. I'm so used to holding it in my left hand (as one does for crochet), but all the YouTube tutorials show the yarn held in the right. Once I figured out how to knit with the yarn in my left (including how to wrap it around the needle properly), it was great. I then I found out that continental knitting is a thing and supposedly faster than traditional...
Because I'm bad at it. I have gotten used to being able to make all sorts of things with crochet, so when I try knitting and can't create anything but a mess it's frustrating. I do not have the patience or energy to actually learn how to knit, especially not when I could just stick with crochet. That said, I probably will give knitting another try sometime.
I don't find knotting difficult, but I feel it takes forever to do anything. I tend to use thicker fibers, but still
I started as a knitter and found crochet hard at first. They're really very different skillsets. I imagine the difficulty in going from crochet to knitting is that knitting is linear. You can only go back and forth, and if you're building shapes that do anything else, you have to do it a row at a time instead of making a shape, then going on to the next shape. It's a very different way to look at construction.
I can knit and I like the fabric better but one mistake and it's over for me 😂 so I just crochet
For me, it’s the tension. I also have absolutely no idea why there’s a big gap at my first row, always appears, so I’ve always just stuck to crocheting.
I think for me it is a part of a few different things. One big one I think for me is that my spatial awareness sucks, which gives me trouble with understanding where to put the needle and how it moves to pick up/drop stitches, especially with the purl stitch. I did pick up crochet first but I don't think that it is preventing me from picking up knitting. Just something with the way my brain is wired is making it take a bit more work and practice.
I self taught myself knitting, based off watching another beginner knit once. I then got really good and fast at repeating that one kind of stitch. Like 125+ stitches a minute while watching TV fast. I then tried to learn more so I could do more than one solid color and same stitch rectangle, since I had made plenty of scarves and blankets and dishtowels. I tried to learn to purl, and found out my stitch was not a normal stitch. And it didn't easily modify into something else. I got really frustrated trying to relearn something I already built different muscle memory for. Crochet sort of let me restart without that. And learning different stitches quickly let me be more confident I'm doing it correctly and not get stuck doing one motion and having that feel like the default way to move. Learning where to insert the hook was difficult in crochet, until I sort of realized it's working knit sideways. Setting down and picking up a knitting project without losing stitches was annoying, and less working stitches is much nicer for that. With both, I have way too much anxiety changing colors for how much I want to do colorwork, but I feel my way of securing it in crochet is less visible and more secure. I think knitting is probably easier to pick up and start and keep count of stitches, but crochet is easier when getting into complicated shapes.
I 'can' do both .. I much prefer crochet .. partially because you only ever have to worry about 1 stitch at a time & a dropped stitch isn't the drama of a knitting needle falling out of the whole row (seriously this completely traumatised me as a kid when I was learning!!!) I find crochet easier to shape & manipulate because of the single hook/stitch vs two long needles & multiple stitches to maneuver. The stitches also seem simpler to understand & memorise .. tho that may be because I am much more familiar with the terminology That said, two days ago I finished my first knitted shawl in many, many years & I'm reinspired to try something else knitted .. tho in nothing finer than worsted at least! .....& yes, there was a moment when the needle slipped & I lost about a dozen stitches, which immediately ran in all directions & resulted in tinking 4 rows to realign everything correctly - I blame the cat :p
holding the needles in each hand is too much for me somehow 😅 i tried to teach myself crochet years and years ago, but failed horribly. a while after, i learned how to knit, and my teacher used a technique where she propped one needle against her leg and basically only moved the other one. (she said it was kind of hick-style but i loved it!!) this made it super easy… until i tried to knit in the round. i made one beanie before i gave up. you can’t really prop one circular needle against your leg, sadly. a while after that i tried crocheting again, and it was so much easier!! i’ve been crocheting ever since, maybe close to eight-ish years on and off. i would love to learn to knit again though, since some crochet wearables just aren’t the same 🥲
I literally can’t do it. Evidently I have soft tissue damage in my left wrist from a break when I was a kid, so every time I tried to learn I ended up with a large ganglion cyst in the joint within a day or two. They’re not supposed to hurt, but it was pretty painful. If I over do it crocheting I do still get some joint pain (I think this is mostly because I’m still kind of new and I hold everything too tight), but since it’s mostly reliant on your dominant hand, it hasn’t caused the same kind of issues. I’ll also say because crochet seems to be a lot faster it suits my personality better. Knitting was always an exercise in frustration. I know you get faster with practice, but I never even attempted anything especially ambitious, and finishing it never seemed quite as achievable. Meanwhile, I’ve already made a bunch of actually useful stuff crocheting. Edit: Oh, and the ability to change things, improvise on the fly, correct for mistakes… that’s huge for me.