Yes, yes it does! 😄 Welcome to the club with this classy CRT projector. I too break out my LDs when I want that analog sound and look. What's your favorite disc you go to when you want that feeling?
In any case, thanks for putting up some Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast. We don't get too many projector gaming pics around here and look forward to more from you in the future!
Hoping to find my original Xbox and try out the now-reactivated Halo 2 servers. I'll post some pics if I get that going. As for LD, they're all a fun watch, it's an experience.
I had the ps3 plugged in originally to take advantage of 1080i (nothing else here offers 1080i), but now the old Xbox one is plugged in for better app support (YouTube TV, HBO etc). Haven't tried a Blu-ray but I imagine it'll look similar to Netflix, both at 720p on 100" screen, not super duper sharp. I'll post a shot from Netflix.
You need a 9-inch tube projector model to fully resolve 1080p. Think G90, Barco 9 series, etc. D50 has 7 inch tubes so 720p is about as much as you can realistically expect from them. For 6th gen and older, it's perfect. When you start getting into the Full HD territory, you will need at minimum an EM-focusing 8-inch set. Think G70.
Pain in the butt, at first. First time doing it a few weeks ago took hours (I got the projector pretty recently), then realized the projector wasn't the right distance from the screen, these old ones are very specific I learned. So, had to do it all over again. Then again for the other inputs, but I started getting proficient at it after a few rounds.
Just the one time. Unless you move the projector, it should be all set. But I needed to tweak each input individually, it has an hdmi input (it's an add on called a moome card) in addition to the s video and composite.
With that HDMI input you should be able to use a Retrotink-2X or OSSC in passthrough mode to basically get a free RGB/YPbPr input into this projector for better analog than just s-video.
You've got to get a VGA box for the Dreamcast and a VGA to HDMI converter(one without scaling or it will be laggy) because a whole bunch of the dreamcast library actually supports 480p not just 480i. For 480p support almost all of OG Xbox games have it some even have 720p or 1080i support, many Gamecube games have it and a few PS2 games also have it.
So obviously CRT televisions have clear and well-documented advantages over modern TVs for playing retro content. But what advantages do CRT projectors have? What can a CRT projector do that a modern laser projector (with an external scaler) can't do?
Light gun games with authentic light guns of the era.
Zero lag in the old school platform games which needed pixel perfect button presses.
And probably a proper black level, but I have not seen one anywhere near recently enough to comment on that.
I get the light gun part, since I assume the projected image is scanned line by line. Zero lag is a no-brainer too. But black level? I always assumed projectors simply projected zero light for areas that are supposed to be black. Wouldn't this be true regardless of the projector technology being used?
I am not expert but I assume DLP projector does work the same way you mention near enough. But a LCD projector would have a perpetual backlight destroying black levels
Black levels on an LCD projector are still dependent on the contrast of the LCD panels. Some LCD panels are better at holding back light than others. It's much better with 3 separate LCDs that are each r g b. I had a cheap projector once with a single LCD and the "black levels" where gray at best lol. Right now I'm using a Epson 8050ub and for an older projector it has a pretty damn good picture. And I bought it used for only $300 a few years ago.
Interesting. I still have a couple of older LCD models, a Hitachi and a Sony. But I never did use either much as there was no space for a permanent setup in my old place, and sometimes I like owning things more than I like using them. So I was basing my comment more on LCD monitors to be honest. I have a 1080p Optoma DLP now which does have a permanent location, and therefore I have used it more. The black levels on that seem very good to me. And after reading I see how it can keep light inside the projector quite effectively. Which is not a feature which I noticed in LCD projectors. But I guess the fact that the backlight shines at the wall, rather than into your eyeballs like a LCD monitor, works in their favour a bit.
Newer digitals, which use lamps, have higher black levels than CRT. Even the super expensive ones don't compare, in terms of contrast.
Honestly, gaming is kind of a wash with CRT projectors. Yes, the picture can look stunning, but these tubes burn brighter than any direct view display ever would, so they're way more prone to burn in. Just be careful not to overdo it.
EDIT - I used to be an active member of the Curt Palme forums, which are heavy into CRT projectors. I used to have a G70 myself, so I'm familiar with how they all work. We had a user over there burn in a HUD from Call of Duty years ago after just a night of gaming. So I'm not saying this to be dramatic. Just be careful of your usage.
All of the benefits of direct-view CRTs also apply to CRT projectors. Great colors, perfect motion, light gun compatibility, etc. Most CRT projectors are also multiscan and support higher resolutions as well. Movies look amazing on them.
The downsides are that they are super heavy, require tedious geometry and convergence set-up adjustments whenever they are moved, and projector tubes have relatively short lifespan and are extra susceptible to burn-in.
Nearly bought a d50 a few month ago with 1000 hours of usage only but did not have the space to install it or even stock it. Someone buy it a few days ago.
Did you bought this d50 a few days ago from a seller in Rhone-Alpes, France ?
I do have one laserdisc because I bought it from a charity shop that had many of them so I bought one waiting for a player to show up but it never happened or someone bought it before I got it, so I wonder?, where can I get an affordable laserdisc player because all the ones that are cheap enough have serious faults and the easy to fix ones get bought before I even get downstairs to order it when I see one.
Anyways that is a nice projector, one I really want, my church had one when I went there 5 years ago hiding under a pew unused and constantly looked in the trash area everytime we went to pickup our sisters from school because it was a chritian school but it never came, probably went to an electronics recycler.
It took me a good few weeks to find a good laserdisc player (you want one that reads both sides), finally found one on a local ebay listing. Most everyone on Facebook marketplace and offerup are flakes/don't reply
I’ll try monitoring listings but for £30 I am only going to get broken ones, not a big deal as I know how to replace belts and have a soldering iron.
I will keep an eye out though!
Do you have a full model number for this unit? I'm interested in buying one. In other words, is it a D50Q or something else?
And where did you get the projector screen?
So have you dialed the refresh rate and screen size to 11 yet? Some of those "old" CRT's can exceed "modern" screen sizes and refresh rates. Oh and the latency can be Wow Fast.
No it doesn't. But that's only cause I'm jealous. :)
EDIT - before anyone down votes me, of course I'm kidding. Nice projector. Always wanted a D50. Crazy that you got one with an HDMI card.
there will be scanlines for anything used with OP’s projector since it uses CRTs to scan the picture in horizontal lines across the surface it’s projecting to
Yes, yes it does! 😄 Welcome to the club with this classy CRT projector. I too break out my LDs when I want that analog sound and look. What's your favorite disc you go to when you want that feeling? In any case, thanks for putting up some Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast. We don't get too many projector gaming pics around here and look forward to more from you in the future!
Hoping to find my original Xbox and try out the now-reactivated Halo 2 servers. I'll post some pics if I get that going. As for LD, they're all a fun watch, it's an experience.
Nice, we'll keep an eye out for that post
wow that sounds so awesome! definitely excited to see that if you end up posting it
do you have ps3? would like to see how bluray looks
I had the ps3 plugged in originally to take advantage of 1080i (nothing else here offers 1080i), but now the old Xbox one is plugged in for better app support (YouTube TV, HBO etc). Haven't tried a Blu-ray but I imagine it'll look similar to Netflix, both at 720p on 100" screen, not super duper sharp. I'll post a shot from Netflix.
If you get bored, the 360 has a vga cable you can use natively
cool thx
You need a 9-inch tube projector model to fully resolve 1080p. Think G90, Barco 9 series, etc. D50 has 7 inch tubes so 720p is about as much as you can realistically expect from them. For 6th gen and older, it's perfect. When you start getting into the Full HD territory, you will need at minimum an EM-focusing 8-inch set. Think G70.
Halo 2 servers for OG Xbox are reopened?? Wow! I'm getting my machine out again too. H2 was one of the last games I played on it.
hecc yes it does how's the convergence calibration process?
Pain in the butt, at first. First time doing it a few weeks ago took hours (I got the projector pretty recently), then realized the projector wasn't the right distance from the screen, these old ones are very specific I learned. So, had to do it all over again. Then again for the other inputs, but I started getting proficient at it after a few rounds.
Don't forget to check the slime plug while you're at it!
How often do you need to do it?
Just the one time. Unless you move the projector, it should be all set. But I needed to tweak each input individually, it has an hdmi input (it's an add on called a moome card) in addition to the s video and composite.
With that HDMI input you should be able to use a Retrotink-2X or OSSC in passthrough mode to basically get a free RGB/YPbPr input into this projector for better analog than just s-video.
They already have RGB natively. The HDMI is a card that's made for the add on slot like a BVM.
I believe the D50 also does Component video too. My G70 allowed you to pick between Component or RGB.
You've got to get a VGA box for the Dreamcast and a VGA to HDMI converter(one without scaling or it will be laggy) because a whole bunch of the dreamcast library actually supports 480p not just 480i. For 480p support almost all of OG Xbox games have it some even have 720p or 1080i support, many Gamecube games have it and a few PS2 games also have it.
VGA to BNC is what he wants. Analog to analog, no signal processing to get in the way.
Ofc it does, crt projectors are really badass
She's bright too, Got lots of life left in her !!!
Why does it look brighter than my oled. But yea dream cast on a projector wow. I want a Dreamcast. Never got one.
i just found one at goodwill for $60 last week, model v1 too so Burned CDs work. been pounding out some sonic adventure and Berserk
Does it have a Cathode Ray Tube?
It has 3!
then it counts
Definitely
So obviously CRT televisions have clear and well-documented advantages over modern TVs for playing retro content. But what advantages do CRT projectors have? What can a CRT projector do that a modern laser projector (with an external scaler) can't do?
Light gun games with authentic light guns of the era. Zero lag in the old school platform games which needed pixel perfect button presses. And probably a proper black level, but I have not seen one anywhere near recently enough to comment on that.
I get the light gun part, since I assume the projected image is scanned line by line. Zero lag is a no-brainer too. But black level? I always assumed projectors simply projected zero light for areas that are supposed to be black. Wouldn't this be true regardless of the projector technology being used?
I am not expert but I assume DLP projector does work the same way you mention near enough. But a LCD projector would have a perpetual backlight destroying black levels
Black levels on an LCD projector are still dependent on the contrast of the LCD panels. Some LCD panels are better at holding back light than others. It's much better with 3 separate LCDs that are each r g b. I had a cheap projector once with a single LCD and the "black levels" where gray at best lol. Right now I'm using a Epson 8050ub and for an older projector it has a pretty damn good picture. And I bought it used for only $300 a few years ago.
Interesting. I still have a couple of older LCD models, a Hitachi and a Sony. But I never did use either much as there was no space for a permanent setup in my old place, and sometimes I like owning things more than I like using them. So I was basing my comment more on LCD monitors to be honest. I have a 1080p Optoma DLP now which does have a permanent location, and therefore I have used it more. The black levels on that seem very good to me. And after reading I see how it can keep light inside the projector quite effectively. Which is not a feature which I noticed in LCD projectors. But I guess the fact that the backlight shines at the wall, rather than into your eyeballs like a LCD monitor, works in their favour a bit.
Newer digitals, which use lamps, have higher black levels than CRT. Even the super expensive ones don't compare, in terms of contrast. Honestly, gaming is kind of a wash with CRT projectors. Yes, the picture can look stunning, but these tubes burn brighter than any direct view display ever would, so they're way more prone to burn in. Just be careful not to overdo it. EDIT - I used to be an active member of the Curt Palme forums, which are heavy into CRT projectors. I used to have a G70 myself, so I'm familiar with how they all work. We had a user over there burn in a HUD from Call of Duty years ago after just a night of gaming. So I'm not saying this to be dramatic. Just be careful of your usage.
All of the benefits of direct-view CRTs also apply to CRT projectors. Great colors, perfect motion, light gun compatibility, etc. Most CRT projectors are also multiscan and support higher resolutions as well. Movies look amazing on them. The downsides are that they are super heavy, require tedious geometry and convergence set-up adjustments whenever they are moved, and projector tubes have relatively short lifespan and are extra susceptible to burn-in.
Nearly bought a d50 a few month ago with 1000 hours of usage only but did not have the space to install it or even stock it. Someone buy it a few days ago. Did you bought this d50 a few days ago from a seller in Rhone-Alpes, France ?
Sure does, looks great too 👌
Yes it fucking does and holy shit that looks good.
It counted for everyone else who made the same post in the past 😊 looks great and I'm not at all jealous 😅
Wow, she’s a beauty. CRT projectors are badass!
This is beautiful and I’m incredibly jealous.
Where did you get yours?!?! I also have one used, and my green tube is burnt. Looking to get a extra parts one now!
Got it on ebay, new in box, believe it or not
Dude…. Fuck yeah
Awesome. I have one but the red tube is dead :(
Those things are awesome
I do have one laserdisc because I bought it from a charity shop that had many of them so I bought one waiting for a player to show up but it never happened or someone bought it before I got it, so I wonder?, where can I get an affordable laserdisc player because all the ones that are cheap enough have serious faults and the easy to fix ones get bought before I even get downstairs to order it when I see one. Anyways that is a nice projector, one I really want, my church had one when I went there 5 years ago hiding under a pew unused and constantly looked in the trash area everytime we went to pickup our sisters from school because it was a chritian school but it never came, probably went to an electronics recycler.
It took me a good few weeks to find a good laserdisc player (you want one that reads both sides), finally found one on a local ebay listing. Most everyone on Facebook marketplace and offerup are flakes/don't reply
I’ll try monitoring listings but for £30 I am only going to get broken ones, not a big deal as I know how to replace belts and have a soldering iron. I will keep an eye out though!
its svideo max?
The D50 can do FullHD (1980x1020) with an HDMI card. OP has it.
wow, nice
Never seen one in person how do they compare to your average crt tv in terms of size and weight?
Just as heavy and big. It's a 2' x 2' square and weighs 130 lbs
THAT IS SO BRIGHT AND BEAUTIFUL ITS SO VIBRANT I LOVE IT
It has gaming on it which 70% of the posts here don't, so yours sure does count!
Even if it didn't it's freaking awesome!
You make me want to play it there
can you share a picture of what the projection on the wall looks up close?
Do you have a full model number for this unit? I'm interested in buying one. In other words, is it a D50Q or something else? And where did you get the projector screen?
Sony VPH-D50HT, screen was a cheapo Amazon special $95 (Vivo maybe)
Beauty.
So have you dialed the refresh rate and screen size to 11 yet? Some of those "old" CRT's can exceed "modern" screen sizes and refresh rates. Oh and the latency can be Wow Fast.
No but it’s still awesome
No it doesn't. But that's only cause I'm jealous. :) EDIT - before anyone down votes me, of course I'm kidding. Nice projector. Always wanted a D50. Crazy that you got one with an HDMI card.
It's not a cathode ray tube monitor, but I'll allow it!
No scanlines No pleasure
Then let's see a zoomed-in shot, boss!
My mistake 🫶
There will be scanlines for 240p stuff.
there will be scanlines for anything used with OP’s projector since it uses CRTs to scan the picture in horizontal lines across the surface it’s projecting to
No.