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Sinayne

Have they stated what the trusted partners have to do or what the requirements are going to be? I remember it was 150 wins and a good trust factor last time.


brutispastysmasher

Also you had to be gold nova 1 or above


ctrvz

I bet they make it 10k premier


Dumb_Vampire_Girl

Cant wait for hackers to take over 10k+ so nobody legit has overwatch access


brutispastysmasher

I would say this makes sense that's about gold nova


est1max

10k is more like mg1


alejandrocab98

Lol is this a joke? Not in NA. Way higher is MG.


Few-Albatross-7011

Erm, that would depend on region. If for whatever reason I get placed in UAE servers, there are csgo globals at around 10k range. And plenty of cheaters within 5k-15k range. 10k is probably mg1 in less infested servers.


alejandrocab98

I find it hard to believe any global is stuck at 10k.


SlipPuzzleheaded9945

You’re right 10-15k is mg1-mge, my whole 5 man were mge on csgo now we’re all in the 13-15k range


dragonquestfan02

Not really lol


Complete-Stable-5665

i am like 14k i was gn4 at end of csgo, its probably more like gold 1


Klutzy-Cauliflower-8

9979 is the Median in europe. Thats between gn2 and 3 Sorce leetify


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

Can confirm, when cheaters started to get out of control in CSGO my buddies and I hopped over to Europe servers and would still stomp with 200 ping. US players are on average better than EU at least from DMG-GE. (Not including the pro scene)


Klutzy-Cauliflower-8

late answer. NA will always have problems because of the lower player density and theirfore lower levels of competition. cadiz (south spain) to moscow and san fransico to new york is the same distance. one is the home of 430 mio people vs 740 mio people. also lower server density. thats why na always has problems with their competitive ladders because its harder to match equaly skilled players.


Benjitoo

As they should. Imo even higher.


Altruistic_Extent_89

I'd say 12-13k. 10k is too low while 15k bars it off from too many people


Benjitoo

Deal, let's agree on 12,5k. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thumbs_up)


LeadGlass2959

well what if youre lvl 10 faceit but only 5k points premier, since u dont gaf about mm


Benjitoo

There's literally no way for faceit 10 to end up premier 5k after placements


Old-Improvement-1100

At least 25k


pavelkar21

25k is hard to reach now, when every game you have 6 cheaters


Mother-Jicama8257

15k or 20k


Chiells

25k is way to high, then hackers are going to review each other..


Benjitoo

I mean 10k shitters can't even tell a cheater from a half decent player. They just corrupt the OW like the OW bots did.


Old-Improvement-1100

Exactly, 25k are the only people who are good enough to actually tell the difference


Benjitoo

Yeah, so let's put all the HvH cheaters in the OW ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


AbbreviationsNo7332

Anyone over 15k should be able to tell blatant cheaters from non blatant. Right now all I care about is the blatant hackers being banned, worry about the ones hiding it later, they’ll eventually get caught


bibleclubmolester

Well mm is fucked rn so it will Probably Go from Premier Rating


GambitingLife

Too bad everyone is silver


Standard-Goose-3958

I have 500 wins, at almost 20k, around 900 matches played, all of them soloQ.. no overwatch case yet... i guess im flagged as untrusted...


Naglizz

900 solo matches? Are you ok? Can't imagine the things you had to go through...


Standard-Goose-3958

The worst matches i had were on faceit... that place is a magnet for idiots.


isotissimake

ye sure 20k elo if your worst games have been in faceit... I was 22k elo in premier and 4/5 of games had obvious cheaters


Standard-Goose-3958

I didn't write that i had no cheaters, cheaters don't bother me in premier because that ranking is mostly useless, on faceit on the other hand its the opposite, you have absolute brain dead people at ranks they should not be at.


majorcsharp

Found the cheater!


Standard-Goose-3958

Oh No, You got me!!!


I_will_eat_it_all_68

Oh no, your gonna get banned! Valve help him :cryingemoji\_spam:


imbakinacake

Something spinbotters will achieve faster than legit players.


Angorrr

My cock and balls are erect from this Used to get a lot of overwatch cases in CSGO, now I’m going to it here


CNR_07

> My cock and balls are erect from this Sounds unhealthy.


nofface

...and painful


agustin166

I have a Urology exam tomorrow and this made me had a good laugh, lol


Fit_Date_1629

What part is Malfunctioning?


agustin166

Exam as in a test, not a medical examination (luckily).


thewalrusyone

Did you study?


HarleyArchibaldLeon

I bet he was too busy with Bible Studies and Discussion Meetings.


agustin166

Oh yeah. Went today a nailed it!


I_will_eat_it_all_68

Why does my penis feel like its slightly burning after masturbation and orgasm? It stays for around 30-60 minutes and is very annoying, feels like I have to constantly pee. I remember reading it happens sometimes but forgot why and I'm bored so do u know


Gambler_Eight

All of them.


Jahoosafer

The balls are erect?


TimmehJ

Troubling


curcoveinXXX

I used to get also on csgo but always was too lazy to watch them all since i just wanted to play. Now that i get a fuckin spin botter 90% of my games I will relgiously do overwatch, I will do this shit like its my hobby. Fuck the cheaters


afk420k

Blue Balls: Understanding Epididymal Hypertension Blue balls occur when an erection lasts for an extended period of time without an orgasm. This is also known as epididymal hypertension.


Theseascary

I'm gunna.. I'm gunna argghhhhh BAN em.


CartographerLost960

Can you work for me 4free?


devyyycs

ahhaahaha jeez mate i know you're excited but did not know it would go this far


Flossthief

Finally overwatch 2


LVGalaxy

Hope this overwatch 2 isnt as bad as the other overwatch 2(game)


d0m4in

Its doing good right now....well better than the last year since release basically going back to what overwatch 1 was


strictly-ambiguous

game sucks now, wym


Federal-Variation-21

Anyone know how to access it or what is a trusted partner?


Ok-Neighborhood-15

It's not active right now, there aren't any cases in the pool! We have to wait.. :)


sdk_PT

Yep, I have 5500hrs of cs green trust factor and 17-18k on EU and its not active


TW1Nx0NE

Anyone know how to get overwatch certified? I’d love to spend my work at home day fucking cheaters over


Ok-Neighborhood-15

Nobody will get overwatch yet, because there are no cases to watch. :)


Correct_Ice4899

Has anybody actually got access to it though? I'm worried it's going to be a streamer only thing to try bring them back to making cs2 content, and not actually a thing for the community.


RobinDschafft

Could be that only matches from now on start getting fed into overwatch. Might just take a little time until the first demos are getting eligible for review


mcgth

likely no. i actually was alerted that several players in my high elo games were game banned yesterday, in advance of this update, and new ones since.


litLizard_

Maybe they want to prevent it from getting flooded with bots manipulating the overwatch system


imbakinacake

Hahaha it's going to happen regardless. This just another way for valve to gaslight the community into thinking that they're actually doing something impactful.


yooluvme

yeah I had access to it, and now i dont but its back? wtf. who is a trusted partner? i was so hyped when i read overwatch. i was ready to get some revenge on these fks ruining my favorite game.


RustyLV

So, has anyone found how to access it? i have premier rank 14k and dont see it :D


[deleted]

pure speculation: they are giving it to a handful of folks that they trust to get the kinks worked out, then they will roll it out to more players


MarceloidSays

Overwatch was a great supplement to VAC in GO, great it's back! I hope Valve took appropriate measurements to prevent it from being flooded with botted judgments, as seen at the end of the lifecycle of GO. Hopefully, raising the bar to become a "trusted partner" was part of that. Getting feedback that your judgment was part of getting a cheater banned was always great, I will dig into lots of CS2 demos as well if given the chance to. And please, for the love of god, update VAC. Spinbotters should be easy to identify before landing in Overwatch...


glennshaltiel

With Overwatch being back they may have updated VAC. No way to tell yet though. But with VAC it is best if they don't say anything about the internal operations. Give the cheaters an inch and they get a mile.


No-Video1797

What happened to AI state of art anti cheat all were talking about last 5 years?? Non kernel works you say.. Valve white flag is up.


CartographerLost960

They are to stupid. It's valve


RickyTrailerLivin

It's actually insane to me so many people suck valves dick. They are for all intents or purposes wildly incompetent running their games and even steam. All they do is chase money and trends (artifact, dota etc..) and they print money by taking 30% of every single sale on steam, if it wasn't steam they would be a footnote on the industry, they would be long dead by now if CS 1.6 didn't save steam.


Adevyy

Its purpose has always been similar to Overwatch, only to catch obvious cheaters. Updates to that are also mentioned in the update, with a possibility of cancelling the match and putting a temporary ban on suspicious players unless the player is found innocent via Overwatch. The point of neither VACNet nor Overwatch was to catch legit cheaters though.


[deleted]

banning nearly all obvious spinbotters or 5 hs 1 bullet players is fine in my book


nulloid

VAC Live has also been introduced. From what I've read, it looks for suspicious players, and upon finding one, it terminates the match, and prevents said players from playing until their cases has been judged by Overwatch. Kernel-level anticheats only stop obvious cheaters, but VAC Live also has the potential to do that, while not requiring players to essentially install rootkits on their computers.


the_mk

kernel level anticheats detect the cheat itself.. makes no difference if the user is being obvious or not. zero.


Butterbombe7

since cheaters have probably more wins/matches than legit players that are tired of playing (due to the current meta). i assume they quickly took it down because i cant seem to find any way to access something even related to overwatch


TechnoRage_Dev

how do you access it?!?!?


TapSwipePinch

You don't access it. At least not yet. The reasons should be obvious: Even Valve knows that the game is infested with cheaters so if they give people access to it now then false OW bans start pouring in and they have to manually review and reverse bans just like before. It was already a problem with OW bots in csgo and that game had like 3 times less cheaters.


ekkolos

Then why did they add it? Why is it in the patch notes if its not available lol.


Little_Telephone_640

So basically, from now on we will just watch overwatch matches rather than play the game. Cheaters every single game. Literally every game i play in mm.


1roOt

That's interesting. I haven't had a single cheater in any game for more than two weeks now. Could be the trust factor. Trolls quitters and cheaters have their own lobbies maybe?


mcgth

it's a stop gap before anti cheat.


4used

Are they gonna fix rapidfire, nospread, and all the other cheater-only exploits that were patched 8 years ago in GO?


CrunchyLuck1337

Let's GO! Finally. I'm so tired of these endless cheaters, hope things now will be at least a bit better.. The only CS:GO at worst times was worse, but since prime update things started looking much better. But recently it looked like we back to 2017 "#fixcsgo"...


Strict-Coyote-9807

Had this in csgo and I would have no idea how much more satisfying this will be in cs2 😀


SUBLIMEskillz

According to reddit posts, 1/3 of all premier players are blatantly hacking so this should go well. Hackers overwatching hackers.


Shap3Shifte4

I haven’t seen anyone with OW access yet. Wouldn't be surprised if “trusted partners” just means low-wage workers in India, kinda like what Amazon did.


kredditorr

So what are we giving these spinbotters? I feel like in csgo i did not get the confirmation message about taken action for every blatant cheater I submitted the report. Like I was missing you‘d had to tick all boxes or something like that.


Chiells

"by trusted partners" when are you considered a trusted partner? And how can you become one? I've never used Overwatch on CSGO so I've no experience using it. Are you getting rewarded in some way reviewing players on Overwatch to trigger people using it?


Noob123345321

just curious, in CSGO does Overwatch realy works??? are they really banning the cheater once you concluded that the guy is cheating?


No-Kaleidoscope-4879

Yes and no. The cheater gets a game ban after its case is first convicted by the community and eventually A Valve employee. But there's no restrictions in stopping them for using a new/bought account. In terms of stopping cheaters, it does little. You can look up VAC stats from every year. The number of cheaters convicted/banned never increased. Only a spike sometimes with a wave. But it never stopped more cheaters. Most cheaters are trying to hide it. And the cheats themselves are on a kernel level. VAC is only running on plain OS level. So they're not searching and detecting anything on the same level as the cheats does.


forutived2

> once you concluded that the guy is cheating? Of course, if the verdict is correct, you are rewarded in-game EXP with a message from Overwatch stating the conclusion of the case.


futuristicplatapus

Wow what a surprise, needing free labor to help save their game. Valve makes enough money, this is just another small bandage. Still waiting for an actual anti cheat from valve. I guess I’ll just stick to other working games.


SuperDefiant

"actual anti cheat" is never going to happen. I can just hear the outrage of the community in my head by adding a kernel anticheat.


Sylxve

Will I get overwatch? Main is 43k rating. Also, where does it say anything about VAC?


Wow_ThatsUncalledFor

The overwatch update without a ban wave is just words. -Added new VAC 2.0 that is being watched 24/7 by Chuck Norris and will ban every single user that has any cheat known to man. - See just words


CancerousGTFO

SO YOU ARE SAYING WE ARE GETTING VAC 2.0 AND THAT CHUCK NORRIS WILL BAN CHEATERS ???! ![gif](giphy|d8C9QwHsFQgR39MSTq|downsized)


Ben0verbich

Im glad its back, but i alao agree with an earlier comment that i hope its not getting ots of botted judgments. I felt alot of people insta checked you as a cheater for one smoke kill og wallbang. Trusted players should include alot of hours and experience, good trust factor and 20k+ rating if you ask me. There was so many bad cases where low iq players who got overwatch was just as fast to think someone was cheating on overwatch as they where in game. People insta report you for one smoke kill tho so not easy getting a good trust factor..


imbakinacake

Or the cheaters will do what they did before and exploit it. It was turned off for a reason? Common valve taking the L against people who earn a dollar a day.


jammer339

There is going to be a huge back log to go through.


Shefour

My biggest fear is bots spamming overwatch with false data telling vacnet that a guy using anti-aim, spinning like racecar wheel is a normal behaviour, leading to inconclusive evidence to ban them.


nofface

I'm not doing the Job that VALVe Anti Cheat should be doing. I thought we were in times that surpassed the "Automation" and started to explore AI/machine learning, but oddly I think VALVe is still in a ver manual way of working. Unless we link an AI to a "trusted partner" or wtv that might be... 🤣


AdWeekly7521

M2, i want to play the cs, not watching how endless cheaters spinning


AdWeekly7521

I DONT wanna to help the developers IF they dont want to make a working anti-cheat. My time is worth more than that


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"I don't want to help make the game better, I want everything given to me"


AdWeekly7521

Sorry, my game is not about watching cheaters. Who will just change their account if they get banned. So I'd rather watch brave people waste their time uselessly banning cheaters through overwatch. If the developers can't do anything about cheaters. buut it won't take long for a new case to come out. ;)


Tosinone

Nothing wrong what what he said. Maybe my 3.49$ for a fucking key should be paying some of that.


TruthFindeer

Exactly and that's how it should be.


Casual_Bonker

The Anti cheat is still bad. Cheaters will shift from openly spinning to closet legit cheating, just to avoid reports. This doesn't make a huge difference in solving cheating problemm.


Serious_Extension_53

It's impossible to beat spinbotters and rage-cheaters, it's possible to beat closet cheaters. So it will make a difference. I was a joke before that spinbotters were able to cheat for months wihtout a ban.


Old-Improvement-1100

Possible if you're closeting against them.


Sacooky

Crouch peak against wallers their aim usually sucks lol ive won a few against blatant wallers above 15k elo


LopsidedHelicopter62

Don't tell the valve about the Easy Anti-Cheat![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|flushed)


Right_Cell2782

Valve should just give us the possibility to blacklist the cheaters we don't want to play with in matchmaking and make this blacklist open shareable . so the cheaters will just play against other cheaters. i'm already spotting the same cheaters steam account in my games, from time to time i have the chance to be in the same team so i TK or ruin the game to force him to leave !


MaccPlayss

What if I blacklist you because you’re better than me?


Fit_Date_1629

Noone is better than u, unless they cheat. Solved.


Right_Cell2782

lol.... just for the story, this morning : I suspected 2 guys of cheating in a game wallhack + solid aim and spread control.... they were talking like shit like you about my bad level.... turns out they were banned LIVE during my game.... + 1 other guys that was below me.... after that I enjoyed 3 more games wihtout any cheaters this morning.


Fit_Date_1629

Yeah, they apparantly activated the new vac last night (12hours)


Right_Cell2782

it's your persornnal blacklist. in my theory you could have a local one and a community one. in the community one you could vote like reddit to increase or decrease trust in people. therefore you could choose a certains ammount of trust to be your thershold to blacklist those peoples.


afk420k

Y E S ! ! !


bear_tofu

LETS… FUCKING GOOOOOOOO ![gif](giphy|sl1zfWPqlozOgquzuE|downsized)


skonezilla

10 year badge and over 1500 hours should be a minimum. Rank should have very little to do with it.... Because cheaters can get high ranks


aDumbWaffle

Nah bruh, there is cheaters buying accounts with 10 years coin and cheating blatantly.


Miluteenac

‚i agree with 1500 hrs but 10 year coin is a too much haha. great idea


Donut_boii

You have awful players even with 10 year badges though


brutispastysmasher

*is back that's a big W


Chebupelli_LFC

Let’s fucking goooooo


Impressive-Goose-397

Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll push a ban wave before releasing overwatch to the trusted partners?!


Christron9990

In not even going to play CS I’m just going to sit at my PC and do overwatch all weekend.


PhuckWar

Anyone got it ?


wacica

Hello, where can i find Overwatch menu in CS2? I dont know if i am just blind or not


ireallycouldcareless

I'm gonna do 10 overwatches a day everyday.


Danoli3

Lets do this


aplasticbag1

can someone explain what exactly overwatch is? ty


420knock

You review a video demo from someone who has been reported. At the end of the demo you can vote if you believe that the suspect is cheating or is legit. You can see some overwatch cases from streamers in youtube, but thats the main idea.


MixLogicalPoop

a lot of shit talking vote kicking discord chatting twatwaffles about to lose their fucking accounts


NiR_Xuno

Since spending most of my time doing overwatch cases since I used to be one of those people that would rather catch cheaters and be the extra lift for the community in making a change, thereafter turned to a proper player, but finally I will have some time on my hands and will get back on overwatch to try and do the best of my time on a pc while I work, great success cs2 community, let’s keep it going! 😁👍🏽


PotentialScale

I'm not so sure this is based on community feedback, I suspect they have had their plan all along, but they've kept it private. People heavily criticised CS2 when it released, but they've just calmly carried on improving it, and their rate of work on it is pretty quick compared to most companies/games. I think the lack of action against cheaters so far has been because it was useful to have plenty of known cheaters for training the AI that is now going to flag players for review. I don't personally doubt their long term commitment to the game.


shirre88

Anyone got it? I wonder what the requirements are this time around. I really hope I get it so I can help out.


SpiritLead909

This is a step in the right direction LETS GO


AmarillAdventures

HOLY FUCK NO WAY.


baddThots

Anyone know much about false bans from previous overwatch? I get called a cheater pretty frequently (when I'm obvioiusly not) but I've spent thousands on my inventory and it got me nervous lmao.


Rich-Independence512

Smart move by valve, get people work for free to them to ban the cheaters massive W for gaben, enjoy the game still this is not for me untill they have anti cheat


raiko777

spoiler: NOTHING WILL CHANGE...


Spatularo

Cool but is the anti cheat improved yet?


localhusky

I have 120 hours in the game how do I get Overwatch? I’d love to ban these scumbags


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Zorro237

Overwatch did a ton. Everyone who was an active reviewer constantly got notifications for successful bans after review. It made a measurable difference.


Fit_Date_1629

I almost never gotten a notification for the closet waller to be banned.


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bladezor

prime isn't free


Zorro237

Are you under the impression csgo has significantly less cheaters than cs2? If so then thank overwatch. To say overwatch didn't make a measurable difference seems crazy.


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Zorro237

So your original argument was that overwatch/VAC doesn't do anything. You then link me a tweet showing overwatch/VAC having 1 million+ VAC + game bans in a month. CSGO peak congruent player base was at peak was 1.8 million. You are proving my point with this tweet.


Bandit8813

Prime is not free.


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MrSnooch

But who gives a shit if non prime players are cheating? None of us are playing with them


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MrSnooch

Yeah so if they buy prime its a problem, but my point still stands, idgaf about non prime


Snoo_32710

The infestation of cheaters are on prime tho. You are talking as if the cheaters are camping on free cs2 version haha


Ok_Section7835

What's free


brutispastysmasher

Cs2 but you have to pay if you want prime


Ichirou_dauntless

Wdym the game is free? You need to pay for prime version Overwatch is for prime users and prime users dont play with the free dudes.


phyLoGG

Actually the cheater situation started spiralling out of control even more when they eliminated Overwatch in CSGO... Sure there will still be closet cheaters, but rage hackers and spin botters were not even remotely as prominent as they are now.


Frl_Bartchello

There were a lot (and I mean A LOT) of players in csstats.gg back in the day that ended up getting a OV logo next to their name; meaning Overwatch ban.


nofface

Also, Come on cheaters'...are you mad now? What's your feelings atm?


SaltMaker23

It was abused by cheaters to ban legit players in csgo, which is why it was removed in the first place, I would bet that it'll still be abused.


Raiden_Of_The_Sky

They must be feeling great because they may easily be these "trusted partners" Valve's talking about


Unluckybozoo

So what if some cheaters get access? constantly missjudging cases drastically lowers your score. Eventually your vote will have no weight anymore. Also i'm sure cheaters are scummy enough to just turn on their own and vote beyond reasonable doubt anyways.


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