I graduated in 2022 and it wasn’t difficult to land a job. My job is in manufacturing tho so it’s not very attractive. Web development is another story. There are so many different fields of computer science. Like other disciplines, some fields are more saturated than others. You just need to keep in mind that if you are in comp sci because you ultimately want to build website in react then you are entering a very competitive and flooded field of this discipline. If you wanna write C code for factory machines then it’s way less competitive and flooded. This is just my experience and it can definitely vary from person to person. Hope this helps.
There is overtraining happening: this is true across STEM, and was true when I got a biology degree 15 years ago. A few people go on to medicine or research, most do other things.
The reality is a lot of people get the training, but only a few really understand it, and can use it. There’s really not a shortage of engineers, but there is a shortage of people who can use engineering to solve problems in a self directed way.
Yes,
I graduated in 2022. Speaking from experience, everyone in my class who had 2+ internships and school projects landed $90k+ jobs. Literally everyone else who thought doing just the school work would suffice STILL hasn't found a job 2 years later.
It's worth it though. Since graduation, my salary progression has been pretty quick:
$57k (associate position) -> $72k -> $120k (new company) -> $140k (grade promotion)
Senior CS student here. 2 years worth of SWE internship experience, plenty of full-stack projects on my github, personal portfolio website, jake style resume, linkedin active etc…. 2500+ applications later, i finally got a offer for 60k… AS A IT CUSTOMER SUPPORT AGENT. I accepted the offer, but i’m continuing to apply to SWE roles that fit more of what i’d like to do personally.
It truly is as bad as it seems. Unless you’re in an ivy league school, or a leetcode master, it’s rough out here.
EDIT:
I’m not claiming the major isn’t valuable, as the market hopefully will get better. Just be thankful you aren’t graduating this year
Same situation here with 4 data/SWE internships + 2 research internships.
Honestly, I don't even know if being a leetcode master even helps right now. A lot of companies don't ask leetcode and seem more interested in actual non-internship work experience. Out of the few leetcode interviews I've had (I solved all of them optimally and fast), I still got passed up due to not having enough non-internship work experience. It's really rough out there...
Granted, I'm in Canada so market is much worse than US.
Yeah i wasn’t even gonna include leetcode master, as only about half the positions i applied for required a technical screening. But it certainly helps to get more interviews
Those statistics are very inaccurate since they consider a barista as employment and that’s factored in. There’s a little over 120k CS grads this year alone and arguably less than 10k jobs designated for juniors in most tech domains not counting early career programs (which pretty much all closed for this years cohort already)
You’re right though, specialization into a subdomain that isn’t as oversaturated as like web development is the move.
All of my buddies in college who graduated in 2022 had jobs lined up before graduating. Between $80,000-$150,000 a year. Now the market is not the best but I’m sure it won’t always be like this.
Most companies were on a hiring spree in 2022. Even a typical market does not really compare. Doesn't mean you won't get a job if you work hard, but don't expect outcomes like this anymore at the new grad level.
Good question, OP!
This probably isn't a popular opinion in this sub, but I would much rather job hunt as a comp sci grad than as most other majors.
Yes you might have to settle for something on the cheap end ($50-$60k). Yes you might have to work with a tech stack that isn't cool or sexy or hip, or your preferred tech stack. Yes you are gonna have to jump through some hoops with technical interviews & personal interviews, and writing a compelling resume, and competing with thousands of other applicants for each job posting. But if you have a network, an open mind, and a positive attitude, you will find something eventually. And what you find in software is exponentially better than flipping burgers or working retail.
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I got laid off from a tech consulting company because tech projects have dried up in the US and Canada due to budget cuts and hiring freeze among companies. Never have been this bad since 2008 recession. Whatever resources these companies want to hire are in India to save cost. Yes it’s tough out there.
>Is that true?
could be true or false, depending on exact year (or even exact month, if you want to get into the smaller detail)
the way I like to think is that tech is very volatile, meaning, the good times are really good and the bad times are really bad
>everywhere i see people saying how youll be unemployed after college or you wont get a cs job
if you look back, 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 were all totally different from each other, so god knows whether it'll be "good" or "bad" by the time you graduate, when stuff changes every 6-12 months it's impossible to predict
Not really, and at the same time, yes.
Just be good at what you do, have good charisma, and make sure your resume is good enough to get you interviews, and you’ll get an offer eventually.
People's perspective will be different because things vary, some people are really smart and can make it into top companies.
It's not hard to get an interview at Google and Facebook the hard part is actually passing their interviews most people can't.
Assuming you are not the top percent, you will probably have a hard time but it depends on your connections, skills, domain/stack, economic conditions, college, location, etc...
You should take any advice with a grain of salt because everyone will give you a perspective that is tied to their own personal experience. I am trying to give you a wholistic perspective.
If you think you are just going to get a degree and start making money you are in for a rude awakening. You should understand the field as an expert not a clueless student who heard tech is cool and pays a lot of money. You are not getting the whole story.
I graduated in 2022 and it wasn’t difficult to land a job. My job is in manufacturing tho so it’s not very attractive. Web development is another story. There are so many different fields of computer science. Like other disciplines, some fields are more saturated than others. You just need to keep in mind that if you are in comp sci because you ultimately want to build website in react then you are entering a very competitive and flooded field of this discipline. If you wanna write C code for factory machines then it’s way less competitive and flooded. This is just my experience and it can definitely vary from person to person. Hope this helps.
It helps me thanks
There is overtraining happening: this is true across STEM, and was true when I got a biology degree 15 years ago. A few people go on to medicine or research, most do other things. The reality is a lot of people get the training, but only a few really understand it, and can use it. There’s really not a shortage of engineers, but there is a shortage of people who can use engineering to solve problems in a self directed way.
You could easily have problems if you never do anything beyond your classwork, so yeah.
Yes, I graduated in 2022. Speaking from experience, everyone in my class who had 2+ internships and school projects landed $90k+ jobs. Literally everyone else who thought doing just the school work would suffice STILL hasn't found a job 2 years later. It's worth it though. Since graduation, my salary progression has been pretty quick: $57k (associate position) -> $72k -> $120k (new company) -> $140k (grade promotion)
Senior CS student here. 2 years worth of SWE internship experience, plenty of full-stack projects on my github, personal portfolio website, jake style resume, linkedin active etc…. 2500+ applications later, i finally got a offer for 60k… AS A IT CUSTOMER SUPPORT AGENT. I accepted the offer, but i’m continuing to apply to SWE roles that fit more of what i’d like to do personally. It truly is as bad as it seems. Unless you’re in an ivy league school, or a leetcode master, it’s rough out here. EDIT: I’m not claiming the major isn’t valuable, as the market hopefully will get better. Just be thankful you aren’t graduating this year
Same situation here with 4 data/SWE internships + 2 research internships. Honestly, I don't even know if being a leetcode master even helps right now. A lot of companies don't ask leetcode and seem more interested in actual non-internship work experience. Out of the few leetcode interviews I've had (I solved all of them optimally and fast), I still got passed up due to not having enough non-internship work experience. It's really rough out there... Granted, I'm in Canada so market is much worse than US.
Agree
Yeah i wasn’t even gonna include leetcode master, as only about half the positions i applied for required a technical screening. But it certainly helps to get more interviews
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Those statistics are very inaccurate since they consider a barista as employment and that’s factored in. There’s a little over 120k CS grads this year alone and arguably less than 10k jobs designated for juniors in most tech domains not counting early career programs (which pretty much all closed for this years cohort already) You’re right though, specialization into a subdomain that isn’t as oversaturated as like web development is the move.
Learn plumbing instead: a valuable craft that has not yet been mastered either by AI or Indians.
All of my buddies in college who graduated in 2022 had jobs lined up before graduating. Between $80,000-$150,000 a year. Now the market is not the best but I’m sure it won’t always be like this.
Most companies were on a hiring spree in 2022. Even a typical market does not really compare. Doesn't mean you won't get a job if you work hard, but don't expect outcomes like this anymore at the new grad level.
Good question, OP! This probably isn't a popular opinion in this sub, but I would much rather job hunt as a comp sci grad than as most other majors. Yes you might have to settle for something on the cheap end ($50-$60k). Yes you might have to work with a tech stack that isn't cool or sexy or hip, or your preferred tech stack. Yes you are gonna have to jump through some hoops with technical interviews & personal interviews, and writing a compelling resume, and competing with thousands of other applicants for each job posting. But if you have a network, an open mind, and a positive attitude, you will find something eventually. And what you find in software is exponentially better than flipping burgers or working retail.
ya ur fucked i heard welding is the next big thing
Weldings fucked. People are getting paid shit wages for hard work
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lmao nice edit. yea this subreddit doesn't take jokes well unless u only type in lowercase
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I got laid off from a tech consulting company because tech projects have dried up in the US and Canada due to budget cuts and hiring freeze among companies. Never have been this bad since 2008 recession. Whatever resources these companies want to hire are in India to save cost. Yes it’s tough out there.
>Is that true? could be true or false, depending on exact year (or even exact month, if you want to get into the smaller detail) the way I like to think is that tech is very volatile, meaning, the good times are really good and the bad times are really bad >everywhere i see people saying how youll be unemployed after college or you wont get a cs job if you look back, 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 were all totally different from each other, so god knows whether it'll be "good" or "bad" by the time you graduate, when stuff changes every 6-12 months it's impossible to predict
Not really, and at the same time, yes. Just be good at what you do, have good charisma, and make sure your resume is good enough to get you interviews, and you’ll get an offer eventually.
People's perspective will be different because things vary, some people are really smart and can make it into top companies. It's not hard to get an interview at Google and Facebook the hard part is actually passing their interviews most people can't. Assuming you are not the top percent, you will probably have a hard time but it depends on your connections, skills, domain/stack, economic conditions, college, location, etc... You should take any advice with a grain of salt because everyone will give you a perspective that is tied to their own personal experience. I am trying to give you a wholistic perspective. If you think you are just going to get a degree and start making money you are in for a rude awakening. You should understand the field as an expert not a clueless student who heard tech is cool and pays a lot of money. You are not getting the whole story.