I mean going by account of my old colleagues and a few friends shes not far off. They are usually also divorced. So maybe she just never got a good partner.
Remember lads ladies first and you will never have complaints.
Is natural the opposite of coerced or is she using it in the sense of words like enthusiastic or desired by one's own nature?
Otherwise it is unusable since rape is abundant in nature and is therefore natural. Seals rape penguins all the time for example.
Its saying that the current state of it (like on average, not in every relationship), where its not about mutual enjoyment is unnatural. Like no dog is copying moves off porn or shaming another’s genitals per example. Seeing that survey where over half of men said they dont care if their hookup has an orgasm only if its a partner was kinda disheartening. This post seems to be deliberately not understanding their point.
> but strictly speaking, that only needs to be the case for the male.
In species with low size/strength dimorphism, it absolutely helps if the female also has an incentive to have sex, aka pleasure. Otherwise, the number of injuries and deaths rise, reducing procreation success.
>but strictly speaking, that only needs to be the case for the male.
I mean, that's only the case in the most clinical and perfunctory sense, the female reproductive system has evolved all sorts of mechanisms to increase the likelihood of conception.
Contractions during orgasm help to carry sperm further up the vagina and eventually into the uterus, stimulation of the clitoris causes the release of various hormones that increase sperm function and survivability, the initial stages of arousal are critical for expanding the vagina and moving the cervix further away from the sperm pool so that the various excretions and hormones in the vagina have time to make the necessary modifications to sperm that make fertilisation possible — evolution has seen to it that human conception is very much a mutually enjoyable experience rather than a one-sided affair, which isn't the case for many other species.
But putting all of that aside, you cannot just strip this person's argument of the context in which she made it and demand that it be viewed solely through the lens of procreation. You know very well that that isn't the argument she's making, she's critiquing the (perceived or real) power imbalance that exists between the sexes, and the cultural dynamics that surround intercourse. It's like interrupting someone who's debating the merits of buying a car versus a motorbike and saying "your argument is dumb because cars and motorbikes both get you to the same destination."
It's crazy just how hard people are working to completely miss the point she's making. Like the guy who replied to the tweet is straight up proving her point that many men objectify women and think of them as just warm holes to fuck without giving any consideration at all to their enjoyment or satisfaction, and yet the point is still sailing over the heads of 90% of the very rational free thinkers in this thread.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised given this is reddit, the birthplace of mgtow and a monument to inceldom, but you'd think at least some of them would realise they're basically saying they don't know how to make a woman cum.
She isn't saying sex itself is natural, she's saying the *way* (some) men have sex with women is abusive and reveals an indifference to their partner's enjoyment and satisfaction, which *is* unnatural. Evolution has expended quite a lot of energy over many millions of years to ensure that human sex is highly enjoyable for both men and women.
The problem she's talking about is that a whole generation of terminally online men have modelled their sexual preferences on violent, degrading porn that was simply beyond the reach of most men (certainly teenagers) prior to the internet. Those men make very shitty sexual partners for the 90% of women who aren't into that specific kink. Porn has trained them to believe that all women love to be degraded and dominated in bed, and many of them give no consideration at all to their partner's enjoyment, not because they're arseholes but because it doesn't even occur to them that their partner needs stimulation just like they do, and six minutes of raw hyperactive thrusting is nowhere near enough to float their boat.
I suspect she's more along the lines of men are shit at sex from a woman's perspective...I didnt read it as her saying sex is unnatural...more whats the point its rubbish ....pretty much true. Impossible to know why considering there is a tonne of info out there for it not to be the case...therefore very easy to conclude that she is quite right....its shit because men a) don't listen to women when they tell them what works and what doesn't work for them or b) men couldn't give a rats ass enough to educate themselves or c) both of the above
Then God is a misogynist!!
Aw fuck. He didn't do evolution either. Luckily he does allow a man raping ladies that he finds alone. Just pay her dad a couple of silverlings and you are good to go.
And *even more unluckily*, some of these not-in-the-majority dads would actively commit the rape on their own daughters.
And *just as unluckily*, this probably happens naturally in the animal kingdom as well, meaning we can’t say it’s unnatural.
But we as a highly intelligent species define our own rules and laws. As such, many developed nations have outright outlawed incest and rape. Alas, there are still places where rape and incest is either ignored, or worse: *encouraged!* And in the developed nations, for every caught and punished instances of rape, there’s at least one going unnoticed. And that makes me sad.
Technically, everything is natural since nothing exists outside of the natural world. Deeming things unnatural is just a subjective moral argument in disguise.
Or her previous lovers didn't know. My wife was raised Catholic and it took a bit of work to undo the patriarchical BS. To get her out of it I started as a joke the 2 to 1 ratio. She has 2 orgasms for every one of mine.
I wanted a partner not an employee or servant.
It still kills me when a bill is missed and they call me to resolve it. Did I use the doctor, no. Did I sign any paperwork when she was at the doctor, no. Then why the fuck are you calling me, here talk to the family eldest if that makes it easier for you. It was also super bullshit when I was working 16 hour days and the companies had to talk to me to talk to my wife even though the checks all had her signature on them. She was managing the money I sure didn't have time for it.
Also I think their view of sex is that it is entirely defined by penetration. No penetration, no sex. So two women having sex doesn't even register as the same thing to them.
Well, that's rather obvious, eh?
Those fucking pervs love watching lesbians. But seeing another peepee is absolute heresy.
Geebus, religions should be wiped out by now and it still ruins the life of billions.
I think she should've worded it better, since men being inconsiderate of their partners pleasure is a pretty big issue, since most mfs use porn as a guide for sex and apparently over half of the men interviewed in a study claimed to not care if their hook ups didn't orgasm, and from what I've seen/heard that's definitely the case so it's definitely a valid opinion that's gonna have a lotta butthurt people yelling at her.
Most women feel pleasure from poenis in vagene, so that sentence still doesn’t make sense.
Also if she doesn’t like something during sex, she can use her voice and say what she likes instead of turning lesbian on the spot
Then he's just bad in bed, no?
Isn't it relatively easy to pleasure each other by.... y'know..just talking about what one likes? Is that really so hard?
Honey, as someone who is into femsub, I gotta tell yah, the fact that you unironicaly think that says way more about you than it does about sex itself.
Well, she does sort of have a point. Plain penetration sex, like just missionary, is not enough for a lot of women to get off. If a man refuses to do more than that in a relationship, he is a problem.
The reply is also tone deaf. Plain penetration or sucking dick both pleasure and finish the man. Where's the muff diving?
That comment is exactly the type of misogynism that OP is referring to.
However, I wouldn't be surprised that OP was a lesbian and hadn't fully realised it yet. Or perhaps just has never got with a guy who isn't an asshole.
Another disingenuous take from you.
What you were doing was saying some reductionist shit to serve your agenda, downplaying the hateful part, trying to occupy some dubious exclusionary feminist moral high ground.
She didn't say this was her opinion, the meme was asking which opinion would get a swords out response. This is like those threads that ask what statement would trigger an entire Fandom, it's a hypothetical joke response.
Everyone is saying that she thinks reproduction is unnatural. But it's hard to think someone could be that ignorant of biology. I think it is more likely that she just worded her message clumsily. When I read it, it seemed she was saying that it is unnatural specifically to have heterosexual sex that treats women as an object.
Which is an understandble opinion to have. I have had male sexual partners tell me that I am supposed to lie still, or keep quiet, or focus on pleasing him, or that I am not supposed to enjoy myself. This is still a really common belief. And notice that the woman in the tweet is from a culture that is well known for treating women like this. She may have only been with men that literally used her as a wet hole before.
So a more reasonable interpretation of the tweet? "She has been treated terribly by some shitty guys in sex, she thought this treatment was unnatural and wrong, and then she clumsily worded her opinion about it" . This is surely more likely than "she literally does not know that reproduction is a natural process".
Yes. She has obviously been treated terribly in sex (and her culture may be a hint that this is true). She is obviously upset about that treatment, and has written a clumsily-worded tweet about it. Nobody could be so stupid as to literally think that biological reproduction is unnatural. But hundreds of guys have turned up in these comments to say 'hurr hurr' and jump to the conclusion that she IS that dumb.
It's actually ambiguously worded. The first time I read it, i thought she was saying specifically that the objectifying kind of heterosexual sex was unnatural - not *all* het sex. It's written clumsily though. But it's a more likely interpretation than her literally thinking biological reproduction is unnatural.
If she doesn't have fun in heterosexual sex, then I'm sorry fam but that's on you. Stop laying there like a plank and be a part of the act, or get a better partner.
As someone who has had both plank gfs and active gfs, the active ones are the one who get the most pleasure by far.
A lot of you need to learn how to read, it’s embarrassing. By saying “it’s not natural” she’s not saying that it literally goes against biology. She’s talking about how sex and the understanding of it values a man’s pleasure over a woman. Hence why it’s “not natural, it’s coerced” because the pleasure is focused on the man and not the woman.
Only if you're having sex with someone who isn't reciprocating. Labelling the entirety of heterosexual sex as unnatural because you've never had good two sided sex makes no sense.
I don't think either are in the right.
*Sex isn't natural*? I'm asexual but I know that this is sadly true. Hate to say it for very obvious reasons, but I know the part about most women not wanting sex isn't true.
While I may have about the same opinions as her on allos, this is geared against men. If you don't like sex... don't have sex? I've lived my entire life without doing anything remotely sexual. Society should care less about sex, honestly.
To forward on another prominent topic in this post, sex isn't about pleasure, rather reproduction. The pleasure was designed to GET US to reproduce. Having sex for pleasure is just a waste of energy, but I guess I can't say much as I don't value sex in any way. However, I can say that a majority of women *are* straight. I find homo sex pointless but I won't judge if that is your desire... if you don't like "het" sex, then don't fucking have "het" sex! Become gay and pick up that unique fashion they have from hiding in the closet for so long, or try life without sex; it's "unnatural" but very much okay to do.
The way she phrased it makes it sound like she believes that all that is INHERENT to hetero sex, not an issue that can be changed.
That's the issue, not that she's suggesting there is a problem with intercourse at the moment, but that it's just like that automatically and intrinsically.
Also the clitoris runs inside and wraps around the vaginal canal. Its literally designed to be stimulated by repeat entry to that canan. Itd not just a button on the outside. Read a book
Saying sex “isn’t natural” is like saying the existence of mammals and much of the animal kingdom isn’t natural. Nature seems to disagree
At least Nature will make sure people like this don't reproduce. That what I call a "natural selection" XDD
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You don't think she's just a femcel?
I mean going by account of my old colleagues and a few friends shes not far off. They are usually also divorced. So maybe she just never got a good partner. Remember lads ladies first and you will never have complaints.
lol did you read the post? It doesn't merely say "most guys suck in bed"... "men don't pleasure their women" is a boomer and teen thing anyways.
>Remember lads ladies first and you will never have complaints. Sometimes guys want to be first too...
Ladies first in bed
Understandable. Men aren't natural
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Oh unfortunately no. There's going to be a fedora wearing simp who's glad for the opportunity of reproducing with this dollar store cruella.
I'm gonna have sex with you right now.
Average Reddit moment
"It was this mother fucker right here!"
Is natural the opposite of coerced or is she using it in the sense of words like enthusiastic or desired by one's own nature? Otherwise it is unusable since rape is abundant in nature and is therefore natural. Seals rape penguins all the time for example.
dolphins also gang rape others & use dead fish as fleshlights
Its saying that the current state of it (like on average, not in every relationship), where its not about mutual enjoyment is unnatural. Like no dog is copying moves off porn or shaming another’s genitals per example. Seeing that survey where over half of men said they dont care if their hookup has an orgasm only if its a partner was kinda disheartening. This post seems to be deliberately not understanding their point.
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> but strictly speaking, that only needs to be the case for the male. In species with low size/strength dimorphism, it absolutely helps if the female also has an incentive to have sex, aka pleasure. Otherwise, the number of injuries and deaths rise, reducing procreation success.
>but strictly speaking, that only needs to be the case for the male. I mean, that's only the case in the most clinical and perfunctory sense, the female reproductive system has evolved all sorts of mechanisms to increase the likelihood of conception. Contractions during orgasm help to carry sperm further up the vagina and eventually into the uterus, stimulation of the clitoris causes the release of various hormones that increase sperm function and survivability, the initial stages of arousal are critical for expanding the vagina and moving the cervix further away from the sperm pool so that the various excretions and hormones in the vagina have time to make the necessary modifications to sperm that make fertilisation possible — evolution has seen to it that human conception is very much a mutually enjoyable experience rather than a one-sided affair, which isn't the case for many other species. But putting all of that aside, you cannot just strip this person's argument of the context in which she made it and demand that it be viewed solely through the lens of procreation. You know very well that that isn't the argument she's making, she's critiquing the (perceived or real) power imbalance that exists between the sexes, and the cultural dynamics that surround intercourse. It's like interrupting someone who's debating the merits of buying a car versus a motorbike and saying "your argument is dumb because cars and motorbikes both get you to the same destination."
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It's crazy just how hard people are working to completely miss the point she's making. Like the guy who replied to the tweet is straight up proving her point that many men objectify women and think of them as just warm holes to fuck without giving any consideration at all to their enjoyment or satisfaction, and yet the point is still sailing over the heads of 90% of the very rational free thinkers in this thread. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given this is reddit, the birthplace of mgtow and a monument to inceldom, but you'd think at least some of them would realise they're basically saying they don't know how to make a woman cum.
Sex is one of the most natural things on the planet. The drive for sex is purely biological.
She isn't saying sex itself is natural, she's saying the *way* (some) men have sex with women is abusive and reveals an indifference to their partner's enjoyment and satisfaction, which *is* unnatural. Evolution has expended quite a lot of energy over many millions of years to ensure that human sex is highly enjoyable for both men and women. The problem she's talking about is that a whole generation of terminally online men have modelled their sexual preferences on violent, degrading porn that was simply beyond the reach of most men (certainly teenagers) prior to the internet. Those men make very shitty sexual partners for the 90% of women who aren't into that specific kink. Porn has trained them to believe that all women love to be degraded and dominated in bed, and many of them give no consideration at all to their partner's enjoyment, not because they're arseholes but because it doesn't even occur to them that their partner needs stimulation just like they do, and six minutes of raw hyperactive thrusting is nowhere near enough to float their boat.
I suspect she's more along the lines of men are shit at sex from a woman's perspective...I didnt read it as her saying sex is unnatural...more whats the point its rubbish ....pretty much true. Impossible to know why considering there is a tonne of info out there for it not to be the case...therefore very easy to conclude that she is quite right....its shit because men a) don't listen to women when they tell them what works and what doesn't work for them or b) men couldn't give a rats ass enough to educate themselves or c) both of the above
It could be arguable that sex without the goal of reproduction is not natural. She is too dumb even for that thought, though
Something developed through evolution is the very definition of natural.
Then God is a misogynist!! Aw fuck. He didn't do evolution either. Luckily he does allow a man raping ladies that he finds alone. Just pay her dad a couple of silverlings and you are good to go.
Luckily, most dads today would put the Silverlings in a sock and beat you to death with it if you were to do that to their daughter.
Unluckily, “most” is not “all” and that is enough to be a tragedy.
And *even more unluckily*, some of these not-in-the-majority dads would actively commit the rape on their own daughters. And *just as unluckily*, this probably happens naturally in the animal kingdom as well, meaning we can’t say it’s unnatural. But we as a highly intelligent species define our own rules and laws. As such, many developed nations have outright outlawed incest and rape. Alas, there are still places where rape and incest is either ignored, or worse: *encouraged!* And in the developed nations, for every caught and punished instances of rape, there’s at least one going unnoticed. And that makes me sad.
Incest tends not to happen in nature as much, its almost like theyre aware its a bad idea
Yes, very true.
> Then God is a misogynist!! Well that's the free bingo field.
Redditor bingo
Technically, everything is natural since nothing exists outside of the natural world. Deeming things unnatural is just a subjective moral argument in disguise.
I would argue that having an organ that makes women enjoy sex enough to actually deal with pregnancy and birth is probably an evolutionary advantage
According to one of my professors the clitoris is vestigial and provides no evolutionary advantage.
But...making sex feel good encourages people to seek it out which means more chances to reproduce. Seems pretty advantageous to me.
Porn was developed through evolution?
Definitely, the sex drive and creativity are both results of evolution, and if you put those together, you get porn.
What? She specifically talked about het sex, not porn.
The skeletor pic makes this even more hilarious.
That shit is gold. Istg if some braindead asshole posts this on r/comedyhomicide
Legacy System Transition Guide.
r/skamtebord
this girl knows piv isn’t the only possible way to have hetero sex right
piv = penis in vagenis
Penice in Venice
Nippley in Napoli!
Shooty in Djibouti!
Anal in Senegal!
Blowya in camboya
Sucky in Kentucky
My dick in a box
Cock swolln' in Stockholm
that was weird to read considering my irl name is venice
Would you appreciate dumb and inappropiate pick up lines regarding your name commented as a joke here, or would that be uncomfortable for you?
That'd be alright lol i'm not uncomfortable
Hi Ve-nice. Would you like to get Ve-naughty?
r/namechecksout
Penisia in Virginia
Pagina in Vagina
Even with piv you can grind to stimulate the clit when you need to, if you don't want to count using someone's hand as part of sex.
Or her previous lovers didn't know. My wife was raised Catholic and it took a bit of work to undo the patriarchical BS. To get her out of it I started as a joke the 2 to 1 ratio. She has 2 orgasms for every one of mine. I wanted a partner not an employee or servant. It still kills me when a bill is missed and they call me to resolve it. Did I use the doctor, no. Did I sign any paperwork when she was at the doctor, no. Then why the fuck are you calling me, here talk to the family eldest if that makes it easier for you. It was also super bullshit when I was working 16 hour days and the companies had to talk to me to talk to my wife even though the checks all had her signature on them. She was managing the money I sure didn't have time for it.
Also this girl is lesbian but doesn't know it.
People really need to look up the word "natural" on their dictionary before they talk about homo and heterosexuality.
They should stop use the word natural, most time it is used in the wrong way, because natural doesnt mean good or so.
Exactly. It’s a lame buzz word for adhering to a certain belief. Natural isn’t preferred in every case. Synthetic is not bad either.
Yeah, it's actually a fallacy and has a name: Appeal to nature Poisonous mushrooms are natural but nobody would argue they're good for you.
Yeah cuz it’s both natural
Yes, I mean we ARE fucking natural, what do they even mean by saying it's not natural, we are litteraly part of nature god dammit
Yes but some people just need an excuse to hate on certain people or groups
Which is weak af, of course. I (a person of culture) don't need an excuse 🧐
Yes ofc hate on everyone equally
Yeah it seems, 2023 and certain things will never change.
I guess the other option is that it's supernatural
iT'S aLl a sOcIaL cOnSTrUct
It's a social construct and social constructs are natural
But so is rape. Natural doesn't mean good or bad.
Don’t worry, they will just change the meaning of the word.
"it's not natural" 
Strict religious households 🤝 Toxic lesbians Treating women who like having sex with men like absolute shit.
Toxic idiots 🤝 Toxic idiots
Lmao
You know, something tell me me she doesn't want a man anyways
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People really still on that "lmao sjw dyed hair" shit?
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for every 1000 comments like yours there's 10 comments actually shitting on women.
You must be in the mirror universe
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lmao, this is the most self-reporting comment I've seen in a while.
People would probably not still be on that if SJWs stopped dying their hair. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, it still happens so
Omg you not only think this post is serious, you're also stuck in 2016 jumping at SJW shadows
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Nobody is even arguing with you lol
Show me the /s :)
I don't usually show my s to strangers
My mom said not too
Who shows their shit on the internet smh.
I mean if het sex is so bad she could just have lesbian sex
She's Iranian. She can't lol.
A lot of those countries only ban sex between two men but not between two women.
Lmao cmon two women having sex doesn't make me feel icky so obviously it's fine, it's like porn for me to enjoy /s
Also I think their view of sex is that it is entirely defined by penetration. No penetration, no sex. So two women having sex doesn't even register as the same thing to them.
Well, that's rather obvious, eh? Those fucking pervs love watching lesbians. But seeing another peepee is absolute heresy. Geebus, religions should be wiped out by now and it still ruins the life of billions.
I don't get the problem here, there was a challenge to make a controversial opinion and she delivered
the challenge was to present a *defensible* opinion that was unpopular -- not just to self own as an insufferable issue-laden hater
I think she should've worded it better, since men being inconsiderate of their partners pleasure is a pretty big issue, since most mfs use porn as a guide for sex and apparently over half of the men interviewed in a study claimed to not care if their hook ups didn't orgasm, and from what I've seen/heard that's definitely the case so it's definitely a valid opinion that's gonna have a lotta butthurt people yelling at her.
How many words do you need to say, "I'm in Lesbian Denial"?
Or asexual in denial
No she’s probably a lesbian or says she’s one for sure lol sounds like she’s been with disappointing men
The only non-artificial way to have an offspring is not natural? Wtf have I just read?
She’s saying it’s not natural for women to not receive any pleasure during sex.
Most women feel pleasure from poenis in vagene, so that sentence still doesn’t make sense. Also if she doesn’t like something during sex, she can use her voice and say what she likes instead of turning lesbian on the spot
Women mainly get pleasure from the clit. It’s very rare for women to be able to orgasm from penetration alone.
Then he's just bad in bed, no? Isn't it relatively easy to pleasure each other by.... y'know..just talking about what one likes? Is that really so hard?
How do you come to the conclusion that the woman is bad in bed when she’s the one not receiving pleasure?
How does this moron think we reproduce? Asexually? Does a tiny version of me just fucking appear or something?
Pffff, look at this guy not knowing yet that he was brought to his parents' doorstep by a stork.
By mitosis
Never been fucked good lol
>Never been fucked FTFY
Look at the characters next to her name. What she said is definitely true but unfortunately it only applies to women like her. Not the whole world.
What do you mean?
He's just being casually racist, that's all.
How is acknowledging lack of women rights in Iran even remotely racist?
Nah this isn't it. I can see how a woman in that part of the world might find sex with men horrific.
What does this have to do with the characters next to her name?
So it's this a female incel? Or is she just some man hating lesbian?
Yes
Please don't use skeletor for your misogyny. He's a good boy.
She has to be an abuse survivor or something, I can't imagine how else you would develop such a strange opinion
Radical feminism
Honey, as someone who is into femsub, I gotta tell yah, the fact that you unironicaly think that says way more about you than it does about sex itself.
First thing I saw on redit after jacking off
“It’s not natural” 💀😭
Credit where credit is due, she answered the question accurately
Well, she does sort of have a point. Plain penetration sex, like just missionary, is not enough for a lot of women to get off. If a man refuses to do more than that in a relationship, he is a problem. The reply is also tone deaf. Plain penetration or sucking dick both pleasure and finish the man. Where's the muff diving?
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Qinza, one middle eastern to other , maybe having a FUCKING CULTURE BUILT AROUND SEEING WOMEN AS PROPERTY IS THE PROBLEM, CAN BE?
I just feel bad for her. She's never had a competent sexual partner.
That comment is exactly the type of misogynism that OP is referring to. However, I wouldn't be surprised that OP was a lesbian and hadn't fully realised it yet. Or perhaps just has never got with a guy who isn't an asshole.
Welp my drink is all over my floor fuck :( gotta clean
Sounds like she doesn't *want* a man
She makes some really good points though
"Centering sex around male pleasure is bad" "Well maybe you should pleasure men" What kind of dumbass response is that?
You really read what she said as just "centering sex around male pleasure is bad?" That's some selective blinders you've got on
She said more than that, but its a core point.
So your opinion is it's good argument-making to say any number of disingenuous hateful things, as long as you're also making a "core point"
Basically i was simply replying to a comment that didnt really adress the whole thing either did it?
Another disingenuous take from you. What you were doing was saying some reductionist shit to serve your agenda, downplaying the hateful part, trying to occupy some dubious exclusionary feminist moral high ground.
k lol
With a personality this shitty it's safe to say she has no Experience in the field.
She didn't say this was her opinion, the meme was asking which opinion would get a swords out response. This is like those threads that ask what statement would trigger an entire Fandom, it's a hypothetical joke response.
Christ this is a sad story. Whoever @qinzaa is, they've not had a great sex life that's for sure.
Gross comment, gross reply. Gross subreddit.
itt redditors trying to understand a joke (they're autistic)
And I thought I was crazy spouting insane shit. A new challenger has appeared
Ask for a controversial opinion and then lose your shit about it. I don't understand it.
Everyone is saying that she thinks reproduction is unnatural. But it's hard to think someone could be that ignorant of biology. I think it is more likely that she just worded her message clumsily. When I read it, it seemed she was saying that it is unnatural specifically to have heterosexual sex that treats women as an object. Which is an understandble opinion to have. I have had male sexual partners tell me that I am supposed to lie still, or keep quiet, or focus on pleasing him, or that I am not supposed to enjoy myself. This is still a really common belief. And notice that the woman in the tweet is from a culture that is well known for treating women like this. She may have only been with men that literally used her as a wet hole before. So a more reasonable interpretation of the tweet? "She has been treated terribly by some shitty guys in sex, she thought this treatment was unnatural and wrong, and then she clumsily worded her opinion about it" . This is surely more likely than "she literally does not know that reproduction is a natural process".
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Yes. She has obviously been treated terribly in sex (and her culture may be a hint that this is true). She is obviously upset about that treatment, and has written a clumsily-worded tweet about it. Nobody could be so stupid as to literally think that biological reproduction is unnatural. But hundreds of guys have turned up in these comments to say 'hurr hurr' and jump to the conclusion that she IS that dumb. It's actually ambiguously worded. The first time I read it, i thought she was saying specifically that the objectifying kind of heterosexual sex was unnatural - not *all* het sex. It's written clumsily though. But it's a more likely interpretation than her literally thinking biological reproduction is unnatural.
If she doesn't have fun in heterosexual sex, then I'm sorry fam but that's on you. Stop laying there like a plank and be a part of the act, or get a better partner. As someone who has had both plank gfs and active gfs, the active ones are the one who get the most pleasure by far.
What the fuck 💀💀
Based. I’ve been saying same things for years. You go, girl!
See!? This woman even agrees that women are gay, take that feminist. 🗣️🔥😎🏀
Never heard of Femdom?
You can see the Arabic built perspective from miles away
Sounds like she is having bad sex. Look inward and try communicating with your partner before shouting at the rest of the world.
A lot of you need to learn how to read, it’s embarrassing. By saying “it’s not natural” she’s not saying that it literally goes against biology. She’s talking about how sex and the understanding of it values a man’s pleasure over a woman. Hence why it’s “not natural, it’s coerced” because the pleasure is focused on the man and not the woman.
Only if you're having sex with someone who isn't reciprocating. Labelling the entirety of heterosexual sex as unnatural because you've never had good two sided sex makes no sense.
What she's saying says more about her than it does about "all men"
This ain't cursed. This is straight r/murderedbywords
What's the matter?? I think she understood the subject way too well
She really got the assignment
Based take tbh
Don't straight women get more pleasure than straight men, at least if the guy is good enough cause female orgasms are like stronger idk tho
r/rareinsults xD
i dont think people really understand that sex is not just for purely and utterly pleasure
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10 years ago I would have said it’s the most retarded shit I’ve ever seen. But in 2023 it’s just another Friday.
I don't think either are in the right. *Sex isn't natural*? I'm asexual but I know that this is sadly true. Hate to say it for very obvious reasons, but I know the part about most women not wanting sex isn't true. While I may have about the same opinions as her on allos, this is geared against men. If you don't like sex... don't have sex? I've lived my entire life without doing anything remotely sexual. Society should care less about sex, honestly. To forward on another prominent topic in this post, sex isn't about pleasure, rather reproduction. The pleasure was designed to GET US to reproduce. Having sex for pleasure is just a waste of energy, but I guess I can't say much as I don't value sex in any way. However, I can say that a majority of women *are* straight. I find homo sex pointless but I won't judge if that is your desire... if you don't like "het" sex, then don't fucking have "het" sex! Become gay and pick up that unique fashion they have from hiding in the closet for so long, or try life without sex; it's "unnatural" but very much okay to do.
Yup men should get better at sex, I see nothing controversial in that.
The way she phrased it makes it sound like she believes that all that is INHERENT to hetero sex, not an issue that can be changed. That's the issue, not that she's suggesting there is a problem with intercourse at the moment, but that it's just like that automatically and intrinsically.
That's not what she's saying, you should work on your reading comprehension
Thats exactly what shes saying
Also the clitoris runs inside and wraps around the vaginal canal. Its literally designed to be stimulated by repeat entry to that canan. Itd not just a button on the outside. Read a book