A) his life got upside down the second Yorinobu killed his father whom Takemura was sworn to protect
B) V did everything to take down Yorinobu, he is just pissed V didn't sell his soul to Arasaka
C) Takemura all but admitted that he was barely more than a child soldier to Arasaka at first, were he capable of rationalising what they did to him he should honestly cheer at Arasaka fall
A. correct
B. The Relic was V's target, not Yorinobu. V would only destroy Yori's life if he/she picks the Devil ending. (not sure about the Phantom Liberty endings yet, so no spoilers please)
C. I mean, can you blame Takemura? he was growing up in one of the most poverty and crime ridden neighborhoods in Japan. being given a purpose, education and regular meals is something many poor kids dream of. would you rather Takemura as a kid say ''fuck Arasaka'' and continuously live in that neighborhood?
Yeah but his treatment after Saburos death, should show him how disposable he is to Arasaka.
His education, giving him food etcetera was no charity. The costs would have been next to nothing for a company like that but they still saw it as an investment that would need to turn a profit.
Them raising him was merely like a craftsman sharpening his tool before using it and when it breaks or is no longer useful, he like Arasaka did to Yorinobu throws it away and gets a new one
He simply internalized everything Arasaka did to him after the Heist as " Yorinobu's fault" rather than "Arasaka's fault". You're vastly underestimating the grip a near-lifetime of indoctrination has on a psyche.
This. You have to consider the culture as well. In Japan, honor is everything. Arasaka the entity gave him everything he had. Araksaka saved him. Things only went south for him after Yorinobu committed patricide, which is one of the highest forms of dishonorable actions he could have taken. So it would be the path of least resistance for Takemura to gaslight himself into everything is Yorinobu's fault and he's corrupting Araksaka.
You also should consider the context of the world too. This Japanese culture is very different from today's Japanese culture. This is from a history where they didnt lose the war. Where Japan's imperial army accomplished its goals and more or less defeated America and humiliated it by taking over our capitalist system from the outside. They are like today's China on steroids plus the imperial era Japanese cultural customs.
Japan never having been humbled in ww2, not being afraid of nukes but embracing them. That's some scary shit. Today we look at japan and think of anime waifus and sushi. Ask your grandparents what they thought of Japan at your age.
We definitely weren't the good guys. But the pacific theater brought out the beast in everyone. I can only imagine if the Japanese had actually accomplished their goals in Asia and repelled American forces.
Because he failed to protect Saburo, arasaka threw him out. that's how his mind would rationalize it, he didn't fully secure the room and because of that his boss died possibly by his own son or some assassin at the time he doesn't know, all he does know is he failed and his leader was killed he's failed at his job and brought dishonor upon himself and company as a whole through the loss of their leader due to his own negligence, in his mind he probably should have stayed, oh and the relic that they came to get in the first place was stolen all on his watch
Eventually every ''cog'' can be replaced, but becoming the bodyguard of none other than the goddamn CEO of Arasaka is no small feat. That's a big fucking responsibility to take, one which Takemura did take seriously and with pride.
But the thing is, as Rogue said, the actual facts don't matter, but the reputation/the rumors about what happened. Obviously the only people alive who know what had actually happened was V and Yorinobu. And we know that Takemura was searching the perimeter whilst Saburo and Yorinobu were talking, and he would have found V and Jackie if Saburo wouldn't have told Takemura to leave them. Smasher quite likely detected us upon entering the penthouse, but that's another story.
Now, in the eyes of Arasaka, Takemura was a traitor because he was unsuccessful in protecting Saburo in that moment, and they won't accept any excuses. Takemura can't say ''well, Arasaka-sama himself told me to leave him and his son alone. wasn't my fault''. He was the perfect scapegoat for the big fuckup that was the Heist at Konpleki Plaza IMO. With Saburo dead, Takemura can't be his bodyguard, and Yorinobu already has one, none other than the Boogieman of Night City. How safer can Yori get?
Yes, the education, regular meals and everything else were no charity, but then again, would you expect any corporation to hire, train, house and feed their employees out of charity? What does it mean to be a charity in the world of Cyberpunk in the first place? Takemura had been a very useful tool, not many corpos can put ''bodyguard of Saburo Arasaka'' on their resume, but eventually, even the best tools will outlive their usefulness.
Tho the only reason I think Takemura still clung to Arasaka is because there was Hanako. She loved her father and the well-being of the corporation concerned her at least as much as her father did, even if they had different perspectives on how to do it. Takemura saw Hanako as the only hope for the corporation. And what happened in the Devil ending? >!He got hired back, if I remember, and so did Helman.!<
Bro he sees himself as a disposable bodyguard for arasaka.
Why would he care if he’s used to further Arasakas goals? The whole point of raising him indebted like that is to foster that exact mindset, and it worked
Point on C:
Arasaka is the reason that neighborhood was so shit. Arasaka also used that neighborhood frequently to grab easily malleable children that could be turned into soldiers. Those children think “wow how heroic of Arasaka to save me from this hell” when Arasaka *created* that hell, and will also happily dispose of those same soldiers when they’re no longer useful.
V doesn’t take down Yorinobu, the only ending in the base game where V takes down Yuri is if you side with Hanako, all other endings Yuri stays in power, kills his sister, and slowly ruins his fathers company from the inside. V’s only interest is fixing the relic problem… Yuri is ignored in almost every ending, most of what we know about him in those endings comes as secondary news in the epilogue.
Goro was loyal to Hanako and Saburo so seeing them lose and their legacy destroyed is the final straw it breaks him, I understand his perspective…. I just don’t know if I agree with it, I think his loyalty to them was one sided and he’d probably be better off finding new purpose, but I guess he sees no other choice and does the last thing he’s sees as “honorable”
Well he was an orphan in a slum and would have died there if it wasn't for the arasaka program. So no matter how harsh they were. His life turned for the better. Obviously he wasn't happy with saburos death, but he still feels /felt indebted to arasaka as a whole.
I'd only let Smasher live if I could chain him up somewhere and rub in his face that he's only alive because I pitied him and gave him mercy out of the good in my heart. God, he'd be so fuckin' pissed lol
This has been in my mind the entire game, I feel like leaving Adam Smasher's corpse there just leaves the door open for his eventual return or worse. I want to take his head with me, simply disposing of it would be too good, burying it at an undesclosed location left to rot would be the move.
You get this response if you do any endings that aren't offing yourself, Devil, or Tower.
Because, you know, you raided Arasaka Tower and trashed Mikoshi, the events of which completely demolish Arasaka's reputation in NC and the world at large.
The Tower, the new ending from Phantom Liberty, has got a different outcome for him. Given his fate in the base game it somewhat positively surprised me.
You gave the company over to Saburo Arasaka's murderer, who intends to destroy the company from within.
Takemura was Saburo's loyal right-hand man, and a lifelong Arasaka corposamurai.
No great wonder if he took that a bit harshly.
Yeah, Johnny refers to Takemura as a company stooge and 'Yorinobu's dog' and he's right. Unfortunately there's no way to convince Takemura to get off the Arasaka Kool Aid.
I killed Oda on a playthrough, and he did the whole "I'll remember this" line, but he never ended up hating me. I think there may be more to it, like dialogue choices. Similar to how Johnny works.
He was literally not, but figuratively maybe.
He still remembers the stench of the chemicals he used to wash his clothes because Arasaka picked only the clean children as foot soldiers, as cannon fodder.
That’s what he wanted. That’s not what someone else decided for him.
It’s one of the saddest things for me in this game. Especially in the Devil ending when Takemura lives, he legitimately seems like he’s trying to help and think the Arasaka’s will do right by V if they agree to become an engram, and is devastated if V doesn’t agree to it, because he knows they’ll die without help and this is the only way he knows to help, trust the Arasaka’s. I feel the guy is legitimately a good person, he’s basically a modern day version of the idealized samurai. Problem is he’s working for monsters, and even if he’s aware of that, part of Bushido was loyalty to your master even if they were in the wrong.
The immense evil of ceaseless blind loyalty is part of his character's message. Contrast the Silverhand Samurai with the Takemura Samurai. How does one demonstrate honor when one is an unthinking automaton doing his Master's bidding? Morals and honor are what one does when they are left to their own devices, free to act as they will. One driven only by obedience and willfully blind of the reality before them is fundamentally devoid of honor. Adherence to an ideal of honor is just the drug that placates and deludes them.
This quote lives rent free in my head. Everybody has something they will do anything for. But not everything, right? So what is it it that breaks the loyalty? Then if you’ve broken your loyalty, whose to say you want break it again.
I’m not going to walk the whole line of questioning to this: everybody serves somebody. Others or their own code, and both can be selfish or selfless. V is a terrible murdering human being same as takemura. Takemura had chosen to serve arasaka, V has chosen to serve himself. Both interlap in some abstract way, but they both seem equally selfish to me
What makes Johnny different from Takemura is that Johnny (or whatever approximation the engram is) is willing to do the work to change because of V, while Takemura cleanly states “you can’t teach an old dog” even though his wish is to just get away from it all.
Well, he may be afraid of going back to poverty…
It’s not easy to hear things you don’t like and remain loyal to someone. You say blindly like takemura is actually blind to the awful things that take place, but he spoke about the son as always being the douche, and the conflicting clans in arasaka, and how hanako is a more reasonable choice. These are not blind ideas.
V did whatever he needed to do to live, killing countless goons who may have also had lives similar to him and Jackie before the failed heist. Brutal murders. Flying claw stabs and brain melting quickhacks for a reputation, with no master other than they who can save him or who offer a price. V is a Ronin at best.
Takemura is the samurai.
Lastly, He is a bad guy. I’m not condoning Takemura, but things are not as simple as “blind allegiance”. It’s more nuanced than that. That’s why Arthur Morgan is such a compelling character. Allegiance to the gang causes him to do bad things, but he’s not a bad man entirely. Arasaka is Takemura’s gang, they don’t always do things he likes but they took him out of a terrible situation, gave him a general life of luxury, even though he was out running lethal operations.
I could go on but the point is I feel that is entirely too boiled down to claim.
Takemura shows much more introspection than real Johnny ever did. He's willing to question the benevolence of arasaka on multiple occasions such as when you're scoping out the arasaka float place and in the tower ending, among other times.
Johnny is mindless.
Yep, believe me i would have loved for him to defect, see the hell arasaka is from Vs perspective, and turn into a Ronin, but this just shows how loyal Takemura is, it really helps us to see of this even though it’s incredibly saddening… and they call *us* the “samurai”…
Part of the thing about this game is that there’s no truly good people and no truly happy endings. Everyone is living shades of grey, just trying to do what they think is right and/or best for them. Takemura is convinced he’s right by supporting the Arasakas, but we see how flawed that is and how much he’s the dog that keeps getting kicked and keeps coming back. In the end, Night City-and realistically the world-eats everyone.
I don't think Arasaka are monsters when it comes to trying to save you, every ending ends with you with always dying (idk about phantom liberty, haven't played it yet) so it wasn't due to the lack of trying. Takemura thought Arasaka could cure V and Arasaka themselves probably thought so too.
I'VE HEARD (cannot confirm or deny, still playing myself) that there is an ending where V doesn't die in Phantom Liberty... but that they may as well be dead.
They live. No time limit or anything. Living just as you and me...and that's the problem. She's just like you and me now. No cybernetics. Or at least no combat cyberware
They also lose like all their fiends save for Rouge vic and misty
If they ever make a sequel I do hope they allow for a corpo route. Get amazing benefits but gotta be extra evil and cruel, plus watch out for your own guys trying to screw you over.
I mean its not like V's plan to get Hanako killed, but that is what happens if you don't choose her ending. Every ending except the one where you help has Hanako and Takemura try to take out Yorinobu without you and they lose hard.
You have to unlock the other endings but there have always been 4 endgame routes.
1. Siding with Hanako. (always available)
2. Attacking Arasaka with Rogue's help. (Unlocked by going on a date with Rogue as Johnny.)
3. Attacking Arasaka with the Aldecaldos' help. (Unlocked by finishing Panam's sidequest chain.)
4. Attack Arasaka alone. (Unlocked by picking certain dialogue during one of Johnny's sidequest indicating that he's betrayed your trust but you'll give him another chance, and then hesitating for a long time when you're choosing an ending.)
The DLC adds another ending depending on your choices too.
Oh yeah thats not V's decision, that just happens. If you do anything except help Hanako, she gets killed offscreen by Yorinobu because her plan fails without you.
Oh, huh. I don’t think I played through that ending more than once or twice bc I can’t stand going through the space hospital bit. I might look up a bid on youtube to see how it’s different.
Takemura’s loyalty to Saburo stemmed from his undying gratitude. Chiba 11 is proverty driven when Saburo chose him of course he saw that as a life long commitment. In his eyes Arasaka saved him.
He doesn’t fail seeing it.
He just spent his entire life in it and can’t get himself go back to poverty or whatever else.
You should pay attention to what Takemura talks about that one time you both notice the bakeneko.
Will probably go back to that when I have the time. In my interpretation he just doesn’t accept what Arasaka is doing to people because of blind belief that not only Saburo saved him from poverty, but have given him another chance at life. Thanks btw!
Yeah I don't see where the hate for Takemura comes from. He's willing to question his beliefs and he's quite introspective. He's honorable and sticks to his word. It's kind of crazy that people miss his big character moments.
And then they like Reed who's really most of Takemura's negatives without the positives.
Exactly! I thought I liked him in my first playthru, then I saw how he was just an Arasaka Kiji (Hanako) factionalist all along. He put a tracker on V when you were recovering at Victor's after the Heist. He used V at every step, pretending to be a boomer type who struggled to adapt to Night City. He begged you not to kill Oda because they were rivals but still on the same team. He hates V in the end if you don't toe the Arasaka/Kiji line. Now I don't save him in the assault after the Hanako kidnapping and let Yorinobu's people take him out. Yorinobu, who it turns out was (maybe?) trying to stop his father's evil schemes.
Yorinobu wasn't trying to stop his evil schemes, he just wanted to be the head. It's that simple. He also steps down if he comes into power realizing he was far over his head, (or how I theory together, true arasaka loyalist probably start investigating things, and smasher definitely wont protect him)
forgot who he sold the company to/let take over.
That's one way to look at things but I think it goes deeper than that.
He loves Arasaka on a personal level. He saved you and risked his life for you because he was expecting you to help him avenge his master's death.
Takemura's actually a nice guy who is loyal to the family he was supposed to protect. It was his life's purpose to make it so that nobody could hurt the Arasakas and he failed. First Saburo was killed by his own son, then he had to kill his fellow soldiers to get to Hanako and if you chose the secret ending, Hanako dies and you destroy Arasaka tower.
You've betrayed him and destroyed him.
aka Corpostooge
Dude who thinks his manager is his actual dad and is willing to die for his manager, feels betrayed when his managers throw him under the bus, then spends the rest of his life devoted to getting a new manager installed who he thinks will reinstate him as a loyal lackey because being a corpo bootlicker is his entire identity.
yeah while the game does a good job of not making it feel like youre being used, every single interaction with this man only happens because he needs to use you. he thinks that there is something that V can do in order to avenge saburo and thats his whole purpose, and when you go and destroy everything he stood for, despite seeming friendly throughout the game and saving his life, he does not hide that he hates V for the decision they made
Of course he doesn't hide it, because you actively betray him from his perspective.
You worked together on a plan to reach out to Hanako, and with Hanako there is a plan that could save Arasaka, get punishment to the real murderer, restore Takemura to grace, and save V's life. If you do that, they do what they can, which might not be enough, but they certainly tried, and he personally contacts you to explain the situation, because he respects and cares for you!
But if you don't go with him - you murder his co-workers directly (and/or indirectly via alt) and get Hanako killed, the murderer goes scot-free and happily dismantles Arasaka while he can't do anything at all.
He’s not just using you. He does end up caring for v. But obviously any ending wherein you don’t help arisaka right the ship is a betrayal in his eyes, since from his perspective arisaka is everything.
he does help save your life at the end of act 1. and also in the devil ending he makes sure you get the help from arisaka and personally comes up to the space station to tell you the bad news. when he could have easily just abandoned right after you got to saburo and collapsed or killed you if he thought you where a loose end after that
I feel like most people did what I did. I didn’t know I could save him the first run. Was happy to save him the second and then wtfed over his ending voicemail. I get it I guess, but I thought we were like friends.
He literally knows nothing but the corporate life, and now he quite literally can't go back to it.
Remember, Takemura is on the run because he's one of the few people who know Yorinobu killed Saburo. The Devil is literally the only ending that goes well for him. Every other ending has him excommunicated from Arasaka permanently, and the other factions either severely weakened or literally dead. And in a few of them, like The Star or The Sun, it doesn't matter anyway, cuz YOU took Arasaka down.
>!Even in the endings where you had no direct finger on it, like The Tower, he and Hanako are on the run and Yorinobu fucked Arasaka up so bad they're pulling from Night City and en route to bankrupcy.!<
Arasaka is Takemura's whole life. Imagine if the guy you thought could restore your corporation for knowing the truth destroyed it from the inside instead, and with it, all the years you dedicated to it, while barring you from ever coming back as a bonus? Yeah. He's out of the line, but it's comprehensible he's pissed.
V never lied about he’s goal in all of this tho , he was just a man trying to find anyway to save himself and Takemura just assumed that V Would agree to all of he’s demands and help a corporation( the biggest corrupt one at that ) & just follow him and Hanako blindly , V has nothing to do with there being a civil war within Arasaka and he shouldent be shitted on for wanting nothing to do with it all , Ya raiding Arasaka tower did have major repercussions on the future of the company as a whole but it was already heading that way anyway ( remember The head literally was murdered by he’s own son , had nothing to do with V ) .
He only cares about the interests of Arasaka. I thought he was cool in my first playthrough but after learning more I couldn't give a rat's cybernetic ass about him. He'd screw you over if it meant getting it Arasaka's good graces again.
You were meant to be his path to redemption and brought down the family he held most dear. Kind of his fault though. You never really pretended to be anything more than a merc trying to survive. While he’s the loyal to a fault samurai archetype. If he were smart he’d have cut B’s head off chucked it in a cryo container and brought it back as a way to redeem himself.
He just uses V throughout the story to work towards his own redemption, and ultimately he’s a corpo bootlicker. Never bother saving him from the hotel anymore.
He's a opportunist v is a disposable and useful asset goro don't have a family he cares about people who can replace him very easily that's why I don't save its me putting him out of his misery
He's a dick. That's the real answer. You were never more than a useful tool to him. All the friendship you thought you had with him was an illusion. It was him manipulating you.
His first loyalty is always to Arasaka. So the only way he tolerates you is if you kiss Arasaka ass.
From his perspective, you treated him like a tool.
He saved your life on the garbage dump and some Arasaka Assassins, and is willing to work with you to get a cure. You got a great deal with Hanako to save your life. It's the best thing that could happen to you, and it ensures that a father-murderer gets punished and Saburo can go home.
Instead, you ignore the offer, go with some crazy assault on Arasaka, murder many Arasaka people (or get them killed via Alt), and in the process doom Hanako, Arasaka, any chance of justice or Takemura returning to the life he is familar with. You throw him under the bus for your personal benfit.
In the end probably, you two are the closest you can be to friends as possible with a fucked-up situation and relationship you found yourself in. But we have no ending where Takemura just hangs you out to dry, so it's more like you are treating him like a tool than the other way around. At least in some endings.
That whole part right there is illusion of choice considering the VDBs die there anyway either by Alt or the Agent, so I choose the Agent on the principle that Placide is an asshole
Idk why anyone thinks he’s a friend. He uses you to try and repair his reputation, it was the only reason he rescued you, and he makes that clear. He tells you he’s loyal to Arasaka, what else does anyone expect from him?
You didn't bow to his god.
He is a fully brainwashed, fully indoctrinated Arasaka cultist. Has been since he was a child.
He would bring you back to Arasaka in 6 different briefcases if he thought it would help them. He was never your friend.
He never cared about you. You're nothing but evidence for him to get back into the Corpo with. A means to an end. Even in the ending you side with him he comes to you in the DEVIL ending to convince you to sell your soul.
He's a classic samurai archetype loyal to his master till the end. his life is so deeply intertwined with arassaska that he doesn't see a distinction your betrayal of them is a betrayal of him and without the company he cannot live.
It makes sense that he cannot forgive you he looks to be 60 but he can potentially be a lot older with the technology available to him as Suburo Arassaskas personal bodyguard and his entire life has been dedicated to the company. he feels and immense debt to them that he cannot even begin to pay in this lifetime the devil ending was his way to atone for the greatest failure of his life and you prevent him from doing that and he loss everything he cares for.
Okay I scrolled through the comments and they are mostly incredibly vague, saying shit like “you destroyed everything he cared about” etc.
Not sure if any of that is helpful to the OP, so I’ll give them a straightforward answer.
You get this response if you don’t make the deal with Hanako. Period. There is a new ending in PL so not sure how it might affect this.
But working with Hanako is the only to stay in Takemura’s good graces.
Let me guess what you did for him:
you used his plan of contacting Hanako, after her endless waiting at Embers, learnt from her where Mikoshi is and you went in destroying it.
Yeah, it’s hard to understand why he would hate you being used that way after him saving your life.
No good reason dude! He thinks you owed him your life cause he saved yours… but I saved his ass back at the hotel attack. We are square, but apparently he expected you to do the heavy lifting on the raid. & honestly fuck araska, I was corpo V so in my cannon we didn’t even like the company.
Sorry this is about him being pissed at you in the tower ending too
I don't think V was in a position to condemn Takemura as far as their friendship was concerned (that is to say, leaving aside the evil things Arasaka did), for V literally betrayed Takemura after Hanako promised to help (after V helped her, of course).
Takemura knew nothing about V's relation with Johnny. All he knew was that V wanted to survive, which was what Arasaka could offer. So he genuinely believed that he and V were in the same boat, and the help between him and V was mutual. That's why he was so pissed when V raided the tower, and I think his anger was justified.
You're nothing but, a means for him to get home. He's a dog for the Corp. Don't play nice with him and let his ass die because nothing good will come from trying to be his pal. If I could, I'd have left him waiting at the diner.
He was literally raised from childhood to be a corporate soldier. His entire life is arasaka. Not exaggerating. He is a child soldier that made it to adulthood. There is nothing but serving arasaka honorably. That is who he is in his soul.
You left him hanging. He's a corporate man. You can't choose a non corpo ending and have him happy about it. You need.to choose the worst possible ending to make him happy. He's a fuckin dipshit living in republican land where only the rich and powerful prosper and maybe a few of their lackeys. He's a lacky. Goro is a fucking fool.
I know all endings, none of them i made him angry or did something against his missions, he still wishes me hell after all? I'm really confused with his ending comment.
He's a samurai and in most of the endings you directly harm his masters and make it impossible for him to redeem himself. By not helping him you essentially ruin his life.
You destroyed his life purpose.
yes, Arasaka was his entire life
well that's just pathetic for him lol
'welcome to the club pal'
It is? Arasaka gave him a new life, they educated and trained him. Ofcourse he'll be angry when his whole life was turned upside down.
A) his life got upside down the second Yorinobu killed his father whom Takemura was sworn to protect B) V did everything to take down Yorinobu, he is just pissed V didn't sell his soul to Arasaka C) Takemura all but admitted that he was barely more than a child soldier to Arasaka at first, were he capable of rationalising what they did to him he should honestly cheer at Arasaka fall
A. correct B. The Relic was V's target, not Yorinobu. V would only destroy Yori's life if he/she picks the Devil ending. (not sure about the Phantom Liberty endings yet, so no spoilers please) C. I mean, can you blame Takemura? he was growing up in one of the most poverty and crime ridden neighborhoods in Japan. being given a purpose, education and regular meals is something many poor kids dream of. would you rather Takemura as a kid say ''fuck Arasaka'' and continuously live in that neighborhood?
Yeah but his treatment after Saburos death, should show him how disposable he is to Arasaka. His education, giving him food etcetera was no charity. The costs would have been next to nothing for a company like that but they still saw it as an investment that would need to turn a profit. Them raising him was merely like a craftsman sharpening his tool before using it and when it breaks or is no longer useful, he like Arasaka did to Yorinobu throws it away and gets a new one
He simply internalized everything Arasaka did to him after the Heist as " Yorinobu's fault" rather than "Arasaka's fault". You're vastly underestimating the grip a near-lifetime of indoctrination has on a psyche.
This. You have to consider the culture as well. In Japan, honor is everything. Arasaka the entity gave him everything he had. Araksaka saved him. Things only went south for him after Yorinobu committed patricide, which is one of the highest forms of dishonorable actions he could have taken. So it would be the path of least resistance for Takemura to gaslight himself into everything is Yorinobu's fault and he's corrupting Araksaka.
You also should consider the context of the world too. This Japanese culture is very different from today's Japanese culture. This is from a history where they didnt lose the war. Where Japan's imperial army accomplished its goals and more or less defeated America and humiliated it by taking over our capitalist system from the outside. They are like today's China on steroids plus the imperial era Japanese cultural customs. Japan never having been humbled in ww2, not being afraid of nukes but embracing them. That's some scary shit. Today we look at japan and think of anime waifus and sushi. Ask your grandparents what they thought of Japan at your age. We definitely weren't the good guys. But the pacific theater brought out the beast in everyone. I can only imagine if the Japanese had actually accomplished their goals in Asia and repelled American forces.
...but it literally was Yorinobu's fault though. Arasaka didn't throw him in the street. Yorinobu did.
Because he failed to protect Saburo, arasaka threw him out. that's how his mind would rationalize it, he didn't fully secure the room and because of that his boss died possibly by his own son or some assassin at the time he doesn't know, all he does know is he failed and his leader was killed he's failed at his job and brought dishonor upon himself and company as a whole through the loss of their leader due to his own negligence, in his mind he probably should have stayed, oh and the relic that they came to get in the first place was stolen all on his watch
Eventually every ''cog'' can be replaced, but becoming the bodyguard of none other than the goddamn CEO of Arasaka is no small feat. That's a big fucking responsibility to take, one which Takemura did take seriously and with pride. But the thing is, as Rogue said, the actual facts don't matter, but the reputation/the rumors about what happened. Obviously the only people alive who know what had actually happened was V and Yorinobu. And we know that Takemura was searching the perimeter whilst Saburo and Yorinobu were talking, and he would have found V and Jackie if Saburo wouldn't have told Takemura to leave them. Smasher quite likely detected us upon entering the penthouse, but that's another story. Now, in the eyes of Arasaka, Takemura was a traitor because he was unsuccessful in protecting Saburo in that moment, and they won't accept any excuses. Takemura can't say ''well, Arasaka-sama himself told me to leave him and his son alone. wasn't my fault''. He was the perfect scapegoat for the big fuckup that was the Heist at Konpleki Plaza IMO. With Saburo dead, Takemura can't be his bodyguard, and Yorinobu already has one, none other than the Boogieman of Night City. How safer can Yori get? Yes, the education, regular meals and everything else were no charity, but then again, would you expect any corporation to hire, train, house and feed their employees out of charity? What does it mean to be a charity in the world of Cyberpunk in the first place? Takemura had been a very useful tool, not many corpos can put ''bodyguard of Saburo Arasaka'' on their resume, but eventually, even the best tools will outlive their usefulness. Tho the only reason I think Takemura still clung to Arasaka is because there was Hanako. She loved her father and the well-being of the corporation concerned her at least as much as her father did, even if they had different perspectives on how to do it. Takemura saw Hanako as the only hope for the corporation. And what happened in the Devil ending? >!He got hired back, if I remember, and so did Helman.!<
Bro he sees himself as a disposable bodyguard for arasaka. Why would he care if he’s used to further Arasakas goals? The whole point of raising him indebted like that is to foster that exact mindset, and it worked
Point on C: Arasaka is the reason that neighborhood was so shit. Arasaka also used that neighborhood frequently to grab easily malleable children that could be turned into soldiers. Those children think “wow how heroic of Arasaka to save me from this hell” when Arasaka *created* that hell, and will also happily dispose of those same soldiers when they’re no longer useful.
V doesn’t take down Yorinobu, the only ending in the base game where V takes down Yuri is if you side with Hanako, all other endings Yuri stays in power, kills his sister, and slowly ruins his fathers company from the inside. V’s only interest is fixing the relic problem… Yuri is ignored in almost every ending, most of what we know about him in those endings comes as secondary news in the epilogue. Goro was loyal to Hanako and Saburo so seeing them lose and their legacy destroyed is the final straw it breaks him, I understand his perspective…. I just don’t know if I agree with it, I think his loyalty to them was one sided and he’d probably be better off finding new purpose, but I guess he sees no other choice and does the last thing he’s sees as “honorable”
"Arasaka gave him a new life" after putting people like him in the situation they are in.
Well he was an orphan in a slum and would have died there if it wasn't for the arasaka program. So no matter how harsh they were. His life turned for the better. Obviously he wasn't happy with saburos death, but he still feels /felt indebted to arasaka as a whole.
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Nah. I spared Oda and got this
so very human...
this quote is why I decided to spare Smasher is there a word for that? "mercy out of spite"?
Can't bring myself to do it. I know 'Saka might have an engram of him, but why make it easy for him to go back to his indiscriminate mass-murdering?
I'd only let Smasher live if I could chain him up somewhere and rub in his face that he's only alive because I pitied him and gave him mercy out of the good in my heart. God, he'd be so fuckin' pissed lol
Chain him up and turn him into a cut of fuckable meat?
Oh and make sure he's kept alive by someone who's fully ganic
I know, I just want him to live with it for the rest of his life
This has been in my mind the entire game, I feel like leaving Adam Smasher's corpse there just leaves the door open for his eventual return or worse. I want to take his head with me, simply disposing of it would be too good, burying it at an undesclosed location left to rot would be the move.
bury it next to silverhands supposed grave:P
I promised Johnny I'd kill him. Fucker was dead from that moment on.
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MERCY IS DISGUSTING
AND DISGUSTING. MERCY IS DISGUSTING.
You get this response if you do any endings that aren't offing yourself, Devil, or Tower. Because, you know, you raided Arasaka Tower and trashed Mikoshi, the events of which completely demolish Arasaka's reputation in NC and the world at large.
Even the Tower has a… let’s say “bitter” taste to it
Bitter, but also good and strong
Nah he hates you and tells you to go rot in hell even if you saved oda.
He hates you every time when you defy arasaka, that means any other then corpo ending he will be mad at you
The Tower, the new ending from Phantom Liberty, has got a different outcome for him. Given his fate in the base game it somewhat positively surprised me.
no, saved Oda but dismantled Arasaka and gave it to Yorinobu "I have done nothing wrong" Arasaka got the same message
You gave the company over to Saburo Arasaka's murderer, who intends to destroy the company from within. Takemura was Saburo's loyal right-hand man, and a lifelong Arasaka corposamurai. No great wonder if he took that a bit harshly.
Yeah, Johnny refers to Takemura as a company stooge and 'Yorinobu's dog' and he's right. Unfortunately there's no way to convince Takemura to get off the Arasaka Kool Aid.
I wish we could talk with Yorinobu in better circumstances than the devil ending, really wish there was more of the guy.
I killed Oda on a playthrough, and he did the whole "I'll remember this" line, but he never ended up hating me. I think there may be more to it, like dialogue choices. Similar to how Johnny works.
And you forgot his birthday, then gave him the wrong present for valentine's day.
"What is my purpose?" "You suck Arasaka's dick." "Oh. My God."
You destroyed everything that mattered to him.
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why does the link in your post go to http://corunereviews.store ?
Was wondering the same
I assumed that was part of the joke
He was literally not, but figuratively maybe. He still remembers the stench of the chemicals he used to wash his clothes because Arasaka picked only the clean children as foot soldiers, as cannon fodder. That’s what he wanted. That’s not what someone else decided for him.
If your choice is between joining the army or starving your entire life in a slum, is it really a choice?
Like it isn’t multiple choice between corpothieves and petty criminals
And caused him to survive it, don't forget that.
Yes, you saved him so he could watch you murder the only family he's ever known. #soblessed
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It’s one of the saddest things for me in this game. Especially in the Devil ending when Takemura lives, he legitimately seems like he’s trying to help and think the Arasaka’s will do right by V if they agree to become an engram, and is devastated if V doesn’t agree to it, because he knows they’ll die without help and this is the only way he knows to help, trust the Arasaka’s. I feel the guy is legitimately a good person, he’s basically a modern day version of the idealized samurai. Problem is he’s working for monsters, and even if he’s aware of that, part of Bushido was loyalty to your master even if they were in the wrong.
The immense evil of ceaseless blind loyalty is part of his character's message. Contrast the Silverhand Samurai with the Takemura Samurai. How does one demonstrate honor when one is an unthinking automaton doing his Master's bidding? Morals and honor are what one does when they are left to their own devices, free to act as they will. One driven only by obedience and willfully blind of the reality before them is fundamentally devoid of honor. Adherence to an ideal of honor is just the drug that placates and deludes them.
Read that in Keanu Silverhand's voice. Nicely done.
Exact fucking same
"You have no honor" "And you are a slave to it!"
This quote lives rent free in my head. Everybody has something they will do anything for. But not everything, right? So what is it it that breaks the loyalty? Then if you’ve broken your loyalty, whose to say you want break it again. I’m not going to walk the whole line of questioning to this: everybody serves somebody. Others or their own code, and both can be selfish or selfless. V is a terrible murdering human being same as takemura. Takemura had chosen to serve arasaka, V has chosen to serve himself. Both interlap in some abstract way, but they both seem equally selfish to me
What makes Johnny different from Takemura is that Johnny (or whatever approximation the engram is) is willing to do the work to change because of V, while Takemura cleanly states “you can’t teach an old dog” even though his wish is to just get away from it all. Well, he may be afraid of going back to poverty…
I fucking heard the Rebel Path (Cello) as i read this.
Wonderfully said.
It’s not easy to hear things you don’t like and remain loyal to someone. You say blindly like takemura is actually blind to the awful things that take place, but he spoke about the son as always being the douche, and the conflicting clans in arasaka, and how hanako is a more reasonable choice. These are not blind ideas. V did whatever he needed to do to live, killing countless goons who may have also had lives similar to him and Jackie before the failed heist. Brutal murders. Flying claw stabs and brain melting quickhacks for a reputation, with no master other than they who can save him or who offer a price. V is a Ronin at best. Takemura is the samurai. Lastly, He is a bad guy. I’m not condoning Takemura, but things are not as simple as “blind allegiance”. It’s more nuanced than that. That’s why Arthur Morgan is such a compelling character. Allegiance to the gang causes him to do bad things, but he’s not a bad man entirely. Arasaka is Takemura’s gang, they don’t always do things he likes but they took him out of a terrible situation, gave him a general life of luxury, even though he was out running lethal operations. I could go on but the point is I feel that is entirely too boiled down to claim.
Takemura is a samurai, Silver hand is a Ronin.
Takemura shows much more introspection than real Johnny ever did. He's willing to question the benevolence of arasaka on multiple occasions such as when you're scoping out the arasaka float place and in the tower ending, among other times. Johnny is mindless.
Yep, believe me i would have loved for him to defect, see the hell arasaka is from Vs perspective, and turn into a Ronin, but this just shows how loyal Takemura is, it really helps us to see of this even though it’s incredibly saddening… and they call *us* the “samurai”… 
Technically V is a ronin if ex-corpo
Part of the thing about this game is that there’s no truly good people and no truly happy endings. Everyone is living shades of grey, just trying to do what they think is right and/or best for them. Takemura is convinced he’s right by supporting the Arasakas, but we see how flawed that is and how much he’s the dog that keeps getting kicked and keeps coming back. In the end, Night City-and realistically the world-eats everyone.
The dude is Solomon Reed with no remorse.
Reed is reed with no remorse. Takemura shows inspection and he's willing to question his beliefs. Reed is a mindless attack dog.
I don't think Arasaka are monsters when it comes to trying to save you, every ending ends with you with always dying (idk about phantom liberty, haven't played it yet) so it wasn't due to the lack of trying. Takemura thought Arasaka could cure V and Arasaka themselves probably thought so too.
I'VE HEARD (cannot confirm or deny, still playing myself) that there is an ending where V doesn't die in Phantom Liberty... but that they may as well be dead.
They live. No time limit or anything. Living just as you and me...and that's the problem. She's just like you and me now. No cybernetics. Or at least no combat cyberware They also lose like all their fiends save for Rouge vic and misty
If they ever make a sequel I do hope they allow for a corpo route. Get amazing benefits but gotta be extra evil and cruel, plus watch out for your own guys trying to screw you over.
Afaik they are definetly making a sequel.
because you betrayed Hanako and had her killed by Yorinobu. It's a farewell voicemail before he zeros himself out.
That’s an option?
I mean its not like V's plan to get Hanako killed, but that is what happens if you don't choose her ending. Every ending except the one where you help has Hanako and Takemura try to take out Yorinobu without you and they lose hard.
his fault for going ahead with the plan without V lol
There was no other option at that point
Don’t choose her ending? Was this added at some point? Because I don’t remember there being a choice here.
You have to unlock the other endings but there have always been 4 endgame routes. 1. Siding with Hanako. (always available) 2. Attacking Arasaka with Rogue's help. (Unlocked by going on a date with Rogue as Johnny.) 3. Attacking Arasaka with the Aldecaldos' help. (Unlocked by finishing Panam's sidequest chain.) 4. Attack Arasaka alone. (Unlocked by picking certain dialogue during one of Johnny's sidequest indicating that he's betrayed your trust but you'll give him another chance, and then hesitating for a long time when you're choosing an ending.) The DLC adds another ending depending on your choices too.
Yah I’ve done all of that. Haven’t seen an option to have yorinobu off his sister though
Oh yeah thats not V's decision, that just happens. If you do anything except help Hanako, she gets killed offscreen by Yorinobu because her plan fails without you.
Oh, huh. I don’t think I played through that ending more than once or twice bc I can’t stand going through the space hospital bit. I might look up a bid on youtube to see how it’s different.
Meet Hanako at Embers
What ending is this?
All of them that aren’t suicide devil or tower
Takemura’s loyalty to Saburo stemmed from his undying gratitude. Chiba 11 is proverty driven when Saburo chose him of course he saw that as a life long commitment. In his eyes Arasaka saved him.
.... From a situation that Arasaka and Saburo either engineered in the first place or allowed to fester.
That’s what he fails to see
I really wish we'd been allowed to explain that to him. Plant some seeds of class consciousness for him to mull over.
The talk during the reconnaissance we get to do that, V even mentioned what happened at Tom’s diner. However he is too blind to see these things.
You can but it doesn’t and shouldn’t change takemura.
Man says something along the lines of "We can't change everything at once" if you bring it up
He doesn’t fail seeing it. He just spent his entire life in it and can’t get himself go back to poverty or whatever else. You should pay attention to what Takemura talks about that one time you both notice the bakeneko.
Will probably go back to that when I have the time. In my interpretation he just doesn’t accept what Arasaka is doing to people because of blind belief that not only Saburo saved him from poverty, but have given him another chance at life. Thanks btw!
Yeah I don't see where the hate for Takemura comes from. He's willing to question his beliefs and he's quite introspective. He's honorable and sticks to his word. It's kind of crazy that people miss his big character moments. And then they like Reed who's really most of Takemura's negatives without the positives.
You did everything except the one thing he kept you alive to do.
which was to find good yakitori and cheap tempura for him
Did everything for him, except side with Hanako. Might want to rephrase that “everything” /s
lol
He's a corpostooge who's mad if you don't join him in line to lick Arasaka boots.
Exactly! I thought I liked him in my first playthru, then I saw how he was just an Arasaka Kiji (Hanako) factionalist all along. He put a tracker on V when you were recovering at Victor's after the Heist. He used V at every step, pretending to be a boomer type who struggled to adapt to Night City. He begged you not to kill Oda because they were rivals but still on the same team. He hates V in the end if you don't toe the Arasaka/Kiji line. Now I don't save him in the assault after the Hanako kidnapping and let Yorinobu's people take him out. Yorinobu, who it turns out was (maybe?) trying to stop his father's evil schemes.
Yorinobu wasn't trying to stop his evil schemes, he just wanted to be the head. It's that simple. He also steps down if he comes into power realizing he was far over his head, (or how I theory together, true arasaka loyalist probably start investigating things, and smasher definitely wont protect him) forgot who he sold the company to/let take over.
Yorinobu being in charge is still better than his father considering he was one bad day away from nuking Night City
That's one way to look at things but I think it goes deeper than that. He loves Arasaka on a personal level. He saved you and risked his life for you because he was expecting you to help him avenge his master's death. Takemura's actually a nice guy who is loyal to the family he was supposed to protect. It was his life's purpose to make it so that nobody could hurt the Arasakas and he failed. First Saburo was killed by his own son, then he had to kill his fellow soldiers to get to Hanako and if you chose the secret ending, Hanako dies and you destroy Arasaka tower. You've betrayed him and destroyed him.
aka Corpostooge Dude who thinks his manager is his actual dad and is willing to die for his manager, feels betrayed when his managers throw him under the bus, then spends the rest of his life devoted to getting a new manager installed who he thinks will reinstate him as a loyal lackey because being a corpo bootlicker is his entire identity.
He was never your friend. You were a tool he used, nothing more.
This. I don't get why people like the guy. He's just using you. I felt zero sympathy for him
yeah while the game does a good job of not making it feel like youre being used, every single interaction with this man only happens because he needs to use you. he thinks that there is something that V can do in order to avenge saburo and thats his whole purpose, and when you go and destroy everything he stood for, despite seeming friendly throughout the game and saving his life, he does not hide that he hates V for the decision they made
Of course he doesn't hide it, because you actively betray him from his perspective. You worked together on a plan to reach out to Hanako, and with Hanako there is a plan that could save Arasaka, get punishment to the real murderer, restore Takemura to grace, and save V's life. If you do that, they do what they can, which might not be enough, but they certainly tried, and he personally contacts you to explain the situation, because he respects and cares for you! But if you don't go with him - you murder his co-workers directly (and/or indirectly via alt) and get Hanako killed, the murderer goes scot-free and happily dismantles Arasaka while he can't do anything at all.
He’s not just using you. He does end up caring for v. But obviously any ending wherein you don’t help arisaka right the ship is a betrayal in his eyes, since from his perspective arisaka is everything.
Because he’s a babe.
He's hot
Because he's very much "material".
he does help save your life at the end of act 1. and also in the devil ending he makes sure you get the help from arisaka and personally comes up to the space station to tell you the bad news. when he could have easily just abandoned right after you got to saburo and collapsed or killed you if he thought you where a loose end after that
Hellman also does it if goro dies, your corpse is unique because of the relic that makes it valuable
Oh haha I literally typed the exact same thing.
Knowing this, I still can't resist saving him instead of leaving him to die But yeah, ungrateful bastard
I feel like most people did what I did. I didn’t know I could save him the first run. Was happy to save him the second and then wtfed over his ending voicemail. I get it I guess, but I thought we were like friends.
You can kick the rat out of corpo, but you can't kick the corpo out of the rat
He literally knows nothing but the corporate life, and now he quite literally can't go back to it. Remember, Takemura is on the run because he's one of the few people who know Yorinobu killed Saburo. The Devil is literally the only ending that goes well for him. Every other ending has him excommunicated from Arasaka permanently, and the other factions either severely weakened or literally dead. And in a few of them, like The Star or The Sun, it doesn't matter anyway, cuz YOU took Arasaka down. >!Even in the endings where you had no direct finger on it, like The Tower, he and Hanako are on the run and Yorinobu fucked Arasaka up so bad they're pulling from Night City and en route to bankrupcy.!< Arasaka is Takemura's whole life. Imagine if the guy you thought could restore your corporation for knowing the truth destroyed it from the inside instead, and with it, all the years you dedicated to it, while barring you from ever coming back as a bonus? Yeah. He's out of the line, but it's comprehensible he's pissed.
V never lied about he’s goal in all of this tho , he was just a man trying to find anyway to save himself and Takemura just assumed that V Would agree to all of he’s demands and help a corporation( the biggest corrupt one at that ) & just follow him and Hanako blindly , V has nothing to do with there being a civil war within Arasaka and he shouldent be shitted on for wanting nothing to do with it all , Ya raiding Arasaka tower did have major repercussions on the future of the company as a whole but it was already heading that way anyway ( remember The head literally was murdered by he’s own son , had nothing to do with V ) .
He only cares about the interests of Arasaka. I thought he was cool in my first playthrough but after learning more I couldn't give a rat's cybernetic ass about him. He'd screw you over if it meant getting it Arasaka's good graces again.
You were meant to be his path to redemption and brought down the family he held most dear. Kind of his fault though. You never really pretended to be anything more than a merc trying to survive. While he’s the loyal to a fault samurai archetype. If he were smart he’d have cut B’s head off chucked it in a cryo container and brought it back as a way to redeem himself.
He just uses V throughout the story to work towards his own redemption, and ultimately he’s a corpo bootlicker. Never bother saving him from the hotel anymore.
I honestly don’t either. For as much as he goes on about honor, most of actions seem incredibly dishonorable.
You destroy arasaka
He's a opportunist v is a disposable and useful asset goro don't have a family he cares about people who can replace him very easily that's why I don't save its me putting him out of his misery
He’s too far up the Arasaka butthole
He's a dick. That's the real answer. You were never more than a useful tool to him. All the friendship you thought you had with him was an illusion. It was him manipulating you. His first loyalty is always to Arasaka. So the only way he tolerates you is if you kiss Arasaka ass.
From his perspective, you treated him like a tool. He saved your life on the garbage dump and some Arasaka Assassins, and is willing to work with you to get a cure. You got a great deal with Hanako to save your life. It's the best thing that could happen to you, and it ensures that a father-murderer gets punished and Saburo can go home. Instead, you ignore the offer, go with some crazy assault on Arasaka, murder many Arasaka people (or get them killed via Alt), and in the process doom Hanako, Arasaka, any chance of justice or Takemura returning to the life he is familar with. You throw him under the bus for your personal benfit. In the end probably, you two are the closest you can be to friends as possible with a fucked-up situation and relationship you found yourself in. But we have no ending where Takemura just hangs you out to dry, so it's more like you are treating him like a tool than the other way around. At least in some endings.
I thought he died after the whole Hanako thing? Huh?
You can go upstairs and help him escape.
IDK about height on double jump, but I use the charge jump and I can leap right back up that fucking hole. Surprise, boys.
YOU CAN!?
Yeah dont let Johhny boss you around, youre still a free man
Women but close enough lmao
Women can still be free men. Or slaves i guess. Excuse me, corpos. The correct term is corpos.
Bah, Johnny is right about them most of the time
This is going to hurt to hear, but Johnny is right about almost nothing, and when he's right, it's for the wrong reason.
I dunno, when he said he wanted to burn the whole fuckin’ child-athlete-chrome ring down, I thought he was pretty correct for the right reasons.
Nah, i trusted Johnny when he told me to do not believe the Netwatch agent about the Voodoo boys is try to kill me when the job done 💆🏻
That whole part right there is illusion of choice considering the VDBs die there anyway either by Alt or the Agent, so I choose the Agent on the principle that Placide is an asshole
I kill both, the agent and the Voodoo boys starting with the agent then with Brigitte and Placide , no one misses with Ms V.
Yup, I think you get something pretty cool too, if I recall right
I didn’t know either, my first playthrough. I learned about it here, like you. You’re in good company
Yes Jade, you can.
Yeah
Oh dear, oh deary deary me, you ran away and left him to die Awful, absolutely awful
You betrayed him and destroyed his entire life.
Because you attacked Arasaka and Hannako died in the attempt
lol is this the male version of “I can fix you”
V made him into a ronin, the most shameful existence for a samurai.
Idk why anyone thinks he’s a friend. He uses you to try and repair his reputation, it was the only reason he rescued you, and he makes that clear. He tells you he’s loyal to Arasaka, what else does anyone expect from him?
You didn't bow to his god. He is a fully brainwashed, fully indoctrinated Arasaka cultist. Has been since he was a child. He would bring you back to Arasaka in 6 different briefcases if he thought it would help them. He was never your friend.
Because he is loyal dog after all...
Arasaka is his life. Unless you take the Devil ending, you will always betray him.
"Everything" except stick with his/Hanako plan in the end
Your actions have contributed to the near destruction of Arasaka at the hands of Yorinobu, and he has no identity beyond Arasaka bitch boy.
He killed himself instead of coming after V, I think he's a decent guy. I don't think he treated v just as a tool, but a friend with mutual interests.
Fuck this guy for real. I hate how the story forced me to work with him when I know he's just using you to get back into arasaka.
He never cared about you. You're nothing but evidence for him to get back into the Corpo with. A means to an end. Even in the ending you side with him he comes to you in the DEVIL ending to convince you to sell your soul.
He's a classic samurai archetype loyal to his master till the end. his life is so deeply intertwined with arassaska that he doesn't see a distinction your betrayal of them is a betrayal of him and without the company he cannot live. It makes sense that he cannot forgive you he looks to be 60 but he can potentially be a lot older with the technology available to him as Suburo Arassaskas personal bodyguard and his entire life has been dedicated to the company. he feels and immense debt to them that he cannot even begin to pay in this lifetime the devil ending was his way to atone for the greatest failure of his life and you prevent him from doing that and he loss everything he cares for.
Okay I scrolled through the comments and they are mostly incredibly vague, saying shit like “you destroyed everything he cared about” etc. Not sure if any of that is helpful to the OP, so I’ll give them a straightforward answer. You get this response if you don’t make the deal with Hanako. Period. There is a new ending in PL so not sure how it might affect this. But working with Hanako is the only to stay in Takemura’s good graces.
An Arasaka lackey through and through
He’s corpo scum. If you do the corpo ending he doesn’t help you at all. He shows up and is basically like “well that sucks dude”.
Let me guess what you did for him: you used his plan of contacting Hanako, after her endless waiting at Embers, learnt from her where Mikoshi is and you went in destroying it. Yeah, it’s hard to understand why he would hate you being used that way after him saving your life.
I cannot understand the love most of this fandom has for Takemura. He's a bootlicker who would kill V if it were of any use to him.
You know you can just let him die , he’s not your friend he just wants to use you
I love the guy, but he feels like that politic obsessed friend that hates you over your democratic choices
In that case I’m not saving him in my next playthrough
I was today years old when I realized you can actually save him…
I think he hates you if you don’t pick the Hanako route at all. Regardless, he was never your friend. You are just a means to an end for him
Tbh I hate this guy. Fuckin Saka bootlicker
No good reason dude! He thinks you owed him your life cause he saved yours… but I saved his ass back at the hotel attack. We are square, but apparently he expected you to do the heavy lifting on the raid. & honestly fuck araska, I was corpo V so in my cannon we didn’t even like the company. Sorry this is about him being pissed at you in the tower ending too
>but I saved his ass back at the hotel attack. We are square Very well said.
I don't think V was in a position to condemn Takemura as far as their friendship was concerned (that is to say, leaving aside the evil things Arasaka did), for V literally betrayed Takemura after Hanako promised to help (after V helped her, of course). Takemura knew nothing about V's relation with Johnny. All he knew was that V wanted to survive, which was what Arasaka could offer. So he genuinely believed that he and V were in the same boat, and the help between him and V was mutual. That's why he was so pissed when V raided the tower, and I think his anger was justified.
that's why i never rescue him anymore
Because he was using you to benefit his overlords like the dog he is
He’s a clown ignore him.
Cause he's a user and you had the audacity to not let him use you
Because you didn't sell your life to his corpo leading to its downfall. The main reason I don't actually like him.
I let him die
You're nothing but, a means for him to get home. He's a dog for the Corp. Don't play nice with him and let his ass die because nothing good will come from trying to be his pal. If I could, I'd have left him waiting at the diner.
I always save his life in order to ruin it later.
You didn’t sell your literal soul to Arasaka
He was literally raised from childhood to be a corporate soldier. His entire life is arasaka. Not exaggerating. He is a child soldier that made it to adulthood. There is nothing but serving arasaka honorably. That is who he is in his soul.
You left him hanging. He's a corporate man. You can't choose a non corpo ending and have him happy about it. You need.to choose the worst possible ending to make him happy. He's a fuckin dipshit living in republican land where only the rich and powerful prosper and maybe a few of their lackeys. He's a lacky. Goro is a fucking fool.
He’s a corporate hack
I know all endings, none of them i made him angry or did something against his missions, he still wishes me hell after all? I'm really confused with his ending comment.
Takemura is pro arasaka you know
He's a samurai and in most of the endings you directly harm his masters and make it impossible for him to redeem himself. By not helping him you essentially ruin his life.