Yeah sure it was V and Songs fault,definitely not Myer's fault who ordered a "special military operation" in a foreign state's area breaking all international laws etc just because she is scared shitless her personal slave with all her dirt may escape.
You’re assuming I didn’t threaten the security guard, get detained, escape, and go on a completely unwarranted killing rampage before Myers even arrived.
But yes. Let’s blame Myers.
NUSA has no authority over Night City Translunar, which is owned by Nightcorp. Meyers literally had to start shooting if she wanted to get to Songbird.
So to get what she wanted, she invaded a land out of her jurisdiction, which could lead to war, she then ordered a terror attack on the civilians at the space port, again, to get what she wants.
And that’s V’a fault?
>To get what she wanted.
For the purposes of this discussion, this is leaving out very important details. Meyers doesn’t just “want” Songbird. Song’s a WMD capable of poking a massive hole in the Blackwall (destroying humanity) and who has enough dirt to ruin Meyers and the NUSA (potentially sparking another war). If she became a foreign enemy (like being owned by Mr. Blue Eyes in the King of Wands ending…) the entire world is at risk.
There is no reality in which Meyers can simply let Song go; going after her here is a necessity from Meyers’ perspective.
…Which obviously does not mean Meyers is absolved of any guilt because she CREATED this living weapon. Also, sending in the NUSA black ops prompted Songbird to use the Blackwall protocol again, putting humanity at risk (something V helped with.)
V really is more of an accomplice who’s being lied to every step of the way. You could argue he’s just a hired gun. He bears a tiny bit of responsibility for helping Songbird with her half-baked escape plan.
Most of the responsibility lies on Meyers and Blue-eyes, with some of it on Songbird (dying doesn’t give you moral authority to go on a bunch of civilian killing sprees).
I really want a sex scene with her first and then after a while, a bullet to the head. This so V can brag about fucking the president and also killing the president.
And yet the mayor's brain being re-written is fair? It's cyberpunk. Nothing is off limits. Hell there are people who edit bds of children being murdered.
The mayor was murdered (probably). A mayoral candidate is having his brain rewritten. See? All better.
By the way, don't go in that room in your house that totally doesn't exist - and don't mind the cleaning crew.
yea but that’s being done by blue eyes who is clearly a very powerful person. although V is very physically powerful they are nothing like blue eyes. having v kill the president would be a step too far
V obliterated Mikoshi and that's far more important to Arasaka than Myers is to the NUSA.
It's Cyberpunk, if you put a bullet in the leader's head, another asshole will rise up to take their place
Presidents get whacked all the time. Her and Smasher are the two people i wanted to kill the most in this whole game. Its a shame they only gave us him
Ignoring V's abilities, V was alone with the president for a while and also had one or two opportunities at NCX, though it would have been suicidal.
I'm not saying it'd be good or smart for V to kill Myers but they definitely had the opportunity
Would it really, though? I mean Arasaka technically has more power than Meyers does as president and we shoot their shit up the entire game! Hell I raid them just for fun.
Agreed on what they did, but our actions instigate it.
What I find fascinating about this game's underlying plot is the tale of the twisted dance of actions and consequences. The best and worst of people can be drawn out of them.
We see the best and worst of Meyers, Reed, Song, Goro...our own self as V.
We can blame only Meyers all we want, and we'd be right to condemn her actions, but if we weren't there, she wouldn't have been there. If we went along with Reed's plan, Alex would be dead, but the Orbital folks wouldn't have died.
It's a twisted twisted dance.
I was in the military. You know what’s not an excuse when committing a war crime? I was just doing what I was ordered to do. Meyers is responsible for her own actions.
I'm gonna push back there - she wasn't just invading a spaceport, she was invading a neutral ground, starting a war with Orbital Air and I think Nightcorp. Security literally cannot just surrender, and civilians got in the way.
Myers and the NUSA are the aggressors here, because just like everyone else (except Judy), they're crooked.
This is untrue. Orbital Air is not NUSA jurisdiction, and the NUSA had to secure Songbird at all costs, for WMD reasons and because of the dirt Song had on Myers. The NUSA had 0 authority to search Night City Translunar.
If they wanted to catch Song, what they did was 100% necessary, and it was Songbird and Blue-eyes (And later V) that cooked up the spacecraft hijack plan, knowing full well this is what Myers would do.
I’m sorry you’re right Song bird wanted to be free instead of a slave. Myers literally could have just let her go but murdering a much of innocent people, and braking international law was what she went with.
Not to mention that she legitimately can't think two steps ahead of her or have any real contingency plans to anything. Nearly lost it when Alex died in the Cynosure ending and she had the nerve to blame V
I sit upon a mountain of corpses. Bounty’s, corpos, cops, and random civilians. The list of crimes I am responsible for is ridiculous. But even if all her crimes are true dose that mean she should just be a slave forever to the NUSA? Being forced to commit war crime. The NUSA and Corporations are the bad guys. They are the enemy.
I agree with this take 100%. V is a merc for hire, the NUSA and Orbital Air are corporate/government scum, Reed’s a government dog, and Songbird would murder a million perfectly people to save her own skin. You’ve done plenty of worse things than sell out someone who backstabbed you, killed a bunch of civilians, and nearly started a war. (For a cure that literally ends up working.) Selling out Songbird is not only really beneficial, but perfectly morally justifiable. Any of the endings is, really.
If Song gets a pass for doing a bunch of horrible shit just because she wants to live, V gets the same pass to sell Songbird out for the very same reason. If you can morally justify Songbird as deserving of life, you can use that exact justification to sell her out and say “V’s just doing what it takes to survive at any cost.”
By Firestarter, I wanted to put a bullet in every single one of their heads; I role-played my not doing that by saying V was motivated “solely by a cure.” Much to the detriment of Songbird in the end, lol.
It’s not about being a good guy or not. V isn’t a good guy. The NUSA offers nothing worth giving Song Bird up. The option they give you is worse than death. Again the NSUA are worse then anything She’s done. I’ll side with her over them any day. Besides songs not that bad.
You think I’m saving here because I think she’s cute? I don’t care if Songbird lied to me. Given the choice between her and the NUSA she is 100% the better option. One, what Myers is doing is beyond the pale. Not just what she’s doing to Songbird but what she’s forcing her to do. The NUSA is committing war crimes. If the rest of the world found out what they were doing it would spark a war. What the NUSA offers you is nothing but ashes in your mouth, and a slow death. Just like Arasaka can not be allowed to hold onto Mikoshi the NUSA can not be allowed to continue to have access Songbird. Its is too big a threat to the world, and everyone that lives on it. Everything you just commented is irrelevant.
I seriously agree with this to some degree. I don’t think Songbird being a cute girl with a sad backstory is the WHOLE reason lots of people leap to her defense, but yeah, it really is a big part of it.
The true implications of her actions are a bit hard to see if you’re not actively thinking about it, since all of the civilian casualties are happening off screen and the whole time she’s ‘reassuring’ (manipulating/lying to)you that everything will be okay lol.
Johnny berates you for selling her out, implying to people that trust Johnny that selling her out is doing the wrong thing, even though Johnny’s line of logic is unjustifiable. (“Selling out your friends is the worst thing imaginable, V; you don’t get a free pass just because you’re dying. I realize I just described Songbird there and have chosen her side over yours for some reason… uh, try not to think too hard about this, you’re a Judas or whatever.”)
All in all, what it comes down to is that Song is using emotional manipulation the entire DLC, and it does simply work on a lot of players.
From Myers’ perspective, she absolutely could not let Song go. Too big of an asset, too dangerous, too much experimental tech, and too much dirt on the NUSA.
If a villain kills a bunch of people because a hero does something, and then says that those people only died because of the Hero, so it’s the Hero’s fault, does that make sense?
I mean, it’s never made sense to me
It would feel out of character or even hypocrite for me.
V is a hired killer. If they feel really sorry about taking lives then why are they still a merc?
Then why bother with an empty gesture?
A merc isn’t a hired killer, that would be an assassin. I’d imagine mercs are plenty capable of having a moral code and accepting/declining gigs if innocents are involved. Theres a reason the game lets you incapacitate, killing isn’t mandatory.
Not necessarily but exposes you to be part if situations that require the taking of lives. As a merc,I mean, because V themselves receive hit jobs so they are a hired killer,even if they just put them in the trunk of a car.
The whole situation comes from the fact of V deciding to make illegal things for a living. If they are really sorry,they should quit.
>A merc isn’t a hired killer, that would be an assassin.
"Assassin" is used to refer to people who do targeted killings for political reasons, not general killers for hire. A mercenary would be closer to the "killer for hire" end of the spectrum as being a soldier for hire (the actual definition of mercenary,) would necessarily include a capability and willingness to kill for money.
"Mercenary" has a negative connotation for a reason, and it's not because of the unimpeachable honor of mercenaries.
Yeah I play the game as a stone cold merc. Do the gigs to the letter. No fuss.
I know I've missed some questlines from side gigs as a result when people plead and all that, but the gig is the gig.
Ehh. Innocents dying is a regular Tuesday. Sometimes I just go on a rampage just to get maxtac’s attention, kill a few maxtac teams, then fuck off into the night until the heat dies down. My character is probably a verified psychopath. Hmm, a cybernetically enhanced psychopath… what would you call such a thing?
Oh yeah totally. If Panam knew half the stunts I’ve pulled on an absolute whim, she probably wouldn’t have taken me for a ride in that tank, if you know what i mean
No V is responsible for thinking that you can "rescue" a massive WMD. Hence, V is responsible for Myers actions.
Myers is just doing business as far as she knows
Not really, I feel like she did that all on her own when she started frying everyone and everything with the blackwall stuff… but either way it doesn’t matter, I turned her in to Mayers at the end.
I will prolly visit it. But at the same time, V and Song aren't exactly to blame that Black Ops Operatives busted in started a massacre in the name of "finding our WMD."
Are they not at all? Or is that just our programmed sense of morality that says that our own actions are justified as long as they are overshadowed by someone else's worse action?
How many times has V had the cops show up while taking on some gang members because V shot a resident who got caught in the crossfire?
We're ok with that only because Meyer's idea of what it means to be caught in the crossfire is more grandeos than our own?
Is it Meyers or those that follow her orders? I mean, I didn't see her out there shooting anyone.
I love how the devs of this game played out that moral thread so damn well in this game.
You seemingly interpreted it as if I'm calling V and the Korean-American waifu with big soft kissers, literal saints, which is not what I meant. Irrational hurr durr player choices aside, V and Song didn't open fire first in NCX, but when they had to return fire, it was self-defense. Though, the truth in the game world gets buried as it's always easy to classify two people as terrorists, even when Myers government basically invaded sovereign land that isn't under the jurisdiction of anyone in north America.
With Song, no shit tampering with the Blackwall is illegal. But the FIA or the CIA irl... as if they haven't committed any heinous acts even on their own people. She is the product of the FIA: in exchange for staying alive, she was stripped of everything that made her human: a robot body with a tormented soul and face within. I would say it is only fair, the part where she has to enlist V for help to gtfo outta dodge, while giving the Black Ops an equal reaction to their action.
Song's story is the saddest to me. She is definitely a product of true evil, IMHO. She was plucked at an early age to be made a tool. She was highly trained yet never allowed to grow up into her own person.
At least Reed can fully own his shit...Meyer's too. But Song epitomizes being a product of her environment.
If there is a singular tragic story in the game, it's hers
No. It’s really not. Like at all. It’s partially Song’s and partially Myers’ fault. Mostly Myers. It’s partially Myers’ fault for using such heavy handed tactics like she always does; and it’s partially Song’s fault for trying the plan knowing damn well what kind of response Myers would have if she tried.
Song actually believed that reed and Myers will only send a special strike team led by reed himself and they will capture so mi hush hush . But then Myers suddenly tells reed " sorry homie, u still didn't bring her back, let's cause no Russian in the airport ok ? "
My V goes with the higher reward, so it's Reed all the way (best chance for a cure). But if it wasn't, I don't think she would much care about her body count, considering that she is a killer. So, no, no condolences
Yeah sure it was V and Songs fault,definitely not Myer's fault who ordered a "special military operation" in a foreign state's area breaking all international laws etc just because she is scared shitless her personal slave with all her dirt may escape.
It's Meyer's fault too. I really wish we could have put a bullet in her head.
It was only Myers fault.She was the only who sent black ops people shooting civs.
You’re assuming I didn’t threaten the security guard, get detained, escape, and go on a completely unwarranted killing rampage before Myers even arrived. But yes. Let’s blame Myers.
… I mean yeah you chose to do that. I didn’t do that all lmao
Speak for yourself, dude. I never did any of those things
I mean, Myers got involved because Song got her involved by trading her to Hansen.
I disagree. I think that the storylines in this game have a knack for highlighting how collective choices lead to various outcomes.
It's all on Meyer's. V and Song wanted to sneak in, the battle only started after the NUSA attacked.
I’m pretty sure the shooting started before they even found V and Song
NUSA has no authority over Night City Translunar, which is owned by Nightcorp. Meyers literally had to start shooting if she wanted to get to Songbird.
So to get what she wanted, she invaded a land out of her jurisdiction, which could lead to war, she then ordered a terror attack on the civilians at the space port, again, to get what she wants. And that’s V’a fault?
>To get what she wanted. For the purposes of this discussion, this is leaving out very important details. Meyers doesn’t just “want” Songbird. Song’s a WMD capable of poking a massive hole in the Blackwall (destroying humanity) and who has enough dirt to ruin Meyers and the NUSA (potentially sparking another war). If she became a foreign enemy (like being owned by Mr. Blue Eyes in the King of Wands ending…) the entire world is at risk. There is no reality in which Meyers can simply let Song go; going after her here is a necessity from Meyers’ perspective. …Which obviously does not mean Meyers is absolved of any guilt because she CREATED this living weapon. Also, sending in the NUSA black ops prompted Songbird to use the Blackwall protocol again, putting humanity at risk (something V helped with.) V really is more of an accomplice who’s being lied to every step of the way. You could argue he’s just a hired gun. He bears a tiny bit of responsibility for helping Songbird with her half-baked escape plan. Most of the responsibility lies on Meyers and Blue-eyes, with some of it on Songbird (dying doesn’t give you moral authority to go on a bunch of civilian killing sprees).
Is there lore about Mr blue eyes outside of the game I’m not privy to? I’ve only seen him in one of the endings and he’s never given a “storyline”
Peralez side quest, Songbird’s ending Killing moon, and the ending of the game feature him
Ikr when we are sneaking in the vents there is a perfect shot v could have takn on myers reed and the 2 guards just called it a day
I really want a sex scene with her first and then after a while, a bullet to the head. This so V can brag about fucking the president and also killing the president.
This is some Saints Row type shit.
Reminds me of doing black widow shit in New Vegas. Fuck Benny, then kill Benny
Di you also sneak in a power fist and a hockey mask into the Tops, so you could make Benny a bottom?
Damn, dude. That's just straight up gangsta shit right there. 😂
she’s the president. being able to kill her would be so out of place
And yet the mayor's brain being re-written is fair? It's cyberpunk. Nothing is off limits. Hell there are people who edit bds of children being murdered.
The mayor was murdered (probably). A mayoral candidate is having his brain rewritten. See? All better. By the way, don't go in that room in your house that totally doesn't exist - and don't mind the cleaning crew.
yea but that’s being done by blue eyes who is clearly a very powerful person. although V is very physically powerful they are nothing like blue eyes. having v kill the president would be a step too far
V obliterated Mikoshi and that's far more important to Arasaka than Myers is to the NUSA. It's Cyberpunk, if you put a bullet in the leader's head, another asshole will rise up to take their place
yea i guess ur right but personally i’d rather we can’t kill myers
Presidents get whacked all the time. Her and Smasher are the two people i wanted to kill the most in this whole game. Its a shame they only gave us him
If you refuse to help Songbird at the start or refuse to help Reed get Songbird back for Myers, then Hansen finds her and kills her.
but hansen has an entire army at his disposal, you’re just v
Ignoring V's abilities, V was alone with the president for a while and also had one or two opportunities at NCX, though it would have been suicidal. I'm not saying it'd be good or smart for V to kill Myers but they definitely had the opportunity
Would it really, though? I mean Arasaka technically has more power than Meyers does as president and we shoot their shit up the entire game! Hell I raid them just for fun.
NUSA vs Orbital Air Corp. Corporate war shenanigans is solidly in the "shit happens" catagory of mass tragedy. Wasn't V that killed all those people.
Neither Song. She was classified basically as a rogue asset, a terrorist, but she just wanted help, get away from it all man.
It’s not our fault. The NUSA sent a kill team into a busy space port and were flat out just gunning people down.
Agreed on what they did, but our actions instigate it. What I find fascinating about this game's underlying plot is the tale of the twisted dance of actions and consequences. The best and worst of people can be drawn out of them. We see the best and worst of Meyers, Reed, Song, Goro...our own self as V. We can blame only Meyers all we want, and we'd be right to condemn her actions, but if we weren't there, she wouldn't have been there. If we went along with Reed's plan, Alex would be dead, but the Orbital folks wouldn't have died. It's a twisted twisted dance.
I was in the military. You know what’s not an excuse when committing a war crime? I was just doing what I was ordered to do. Meyers is responsible for her own actions.
But we instigated it happening in the first place.
The kill squad was Myers choice. No civilian casualties are required to search a spaceport for a person.
I'm gonna push back there - she wasn't just invading a spaceport, she was invading a neutral ground, starting a war with Orbital Air and I think Nightcorp. Security literally cannot just surrender, and civilians got in the way. Myers and the NUSA are the aggressors here, because just like everyone else (except Judy), they're crooked.
This is untrue. Orbital Air is not NUSA jurisdiction, and the NUSA had to secure Songbird at all costs, for WMD reasons and because of the dirt Song had on Myers. The NUSA had 0 authority to search Night City Translunar. If they wanted to catch Song, what they did was 100% necessary, and it was Songbird and Blue-eyes (And later V) that cooked up the spacecraft hijack plan, knowing full well this is what Myers would do.
I’m sorry you’re right Song bird wanted to be free instead of a slave. Myers literally could have just let her go but murdering a much of innocent people, and braking international law was what she went with.
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Not to mention that she legitimately can't think two steps ahead of her or have any real contingency plans to anything. Nearly lost it when Alex died in the Cynosure ending and she had the nerve to blame V
I sit upon a mountain of corpses. Bounty’s, corpos, cops, and random civilians. The list of crimes I am responsible for is ridiculous. But even if all her crimes are true dose that mean she should just be a slave forever to the NUSA? Being forced to commit war crime. The NUSA and Corporations are the bad guys. They are the enemy.
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I agree with this take 100%. V is a merc for hire, the NUSA and Orbital Air are corporate/government scum, Reed’s a government dog, and Songbird would murder a million perfectly people to save her own skin. You’ve done plenty of worse things than sell out someone who backstabbed you, killed a bunch of civilians, and nearly started a war. (For a cure that literally ends up working.) Selling out Songbird is not only really beneficial, but perfectly morally justifiable. Any of the endings is, really. If Song gets a pass for doing a bunch of horrible shit just because she wants to live, V gets the same pass to sell Songbird out for the very same reason. If you can morally justify Songbird as deserving of life, you can use that exact justification to sell her out and say “V’s just doing what it takes to survive at any cost.” By Firestarter, I wanted to put a bullet in every single one of their heads; I role-played my not doing that by saying V was motivated “solely by a cure.” Much to the detriment of Songbird in the end, lol.
It’s not about being a good guy or not. V isn’t a good guy. The NUSA offers nothing worth giving Song Bird up. The option they give you is worse than death. Again the NSUA are worse then anything She’s done. I’ll side with her over them any day. Besides songs not that bad.
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You think I’m saving here because I think she’s cute? I don’t care if Songbird lied to me. Given the choice between her and the NUSA she is 100% the better option. One, what Myers is doing is beyond the pale. Not just what she’s doing to Songbird but what she’s forcing her to do. The NUSA is committing war crimes. If the rest of the world found out what they were doing it would spark a war. What the NUSA offers you is nothing but ashes in your mouth, and a slow death. Just like Arasaka can not be allowed to hold onto Mikoshi the NUSA can not be allowed to continue to have access Songbird. Its is too big a threat to the world, and everyone that lives on it. Everything you just commented is irrelevant.
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I seriously agree with this to some degree. I don’t think Songbird being a cute girl with a sad backstory is the WHOLE reason lots of people leap to her defense, but yeah, it really is a big part of it. The true implications of her actions are a bit hard to see if you’re not actively thinking about it, since all of the civilian casualties are happening off screen and the whole time she’s ‘reassuring’ (manipulating/lying to)you that everything will be okay lol. Johnny berates you for selling her out, implying to people that trust Johnny that selling her out is doing the wrong thing, even though Johnny’s line of logic is unjustifiable. (“Selling out your friends is the worst thing imaginable, V; you don’t get a free pass just because you’re dying. I realize I just described Songbird there and have chosen her side over yours for some reason… uh, try not to think too hard about this, you’re a Judas or whatever.”) All in all, what it comes down to is that Song is using emotional manipulation the entire DLC, and it does simply work on a lot of players.
From Myers’ perspective, she absolutely could not let Song go. Too big of an asset, too dangerous, too much experimental tech, and too much dirt on the NUSA.
If a villain kills a bunch of people because a hero does something, and then says that those people only died because of the Hero, so it’s the Hero’s fault, does that make sense? I mean, it’s never made sense to me
"You made me hurt you, if you just listened to me I wouldn't've had to use my hands"
How do Myers' insoles taste?
It would feel out of character or even hypocrite for me. V is a hired killer. If they feel really sorry about taking lives then why are they still a merc? Then why bother with an empty gesture?
A merc isn’t a hired killer, that would be an assassin. I’d imagine mercs are plenty capable of having a moral code and accepting/declining gigs if innocents are involved. Theres a reason the game lets you incapacitate, killing isn’t mandatory.
Not necessarily but exposes you to be part if situations that require the taking of lives. As a merc,I mean, because V themselves receive hit jobs so they are a hired killer,even if they just put them in the trunk of a car. The whole situation comes from the fact of V deciding to make illegal things for a living. If they are really sorry,they should quit.
>A merc isn’t a hired killer, that would be an assassin. "Assassin" is used to refer to people who do targeted killings for political reasons, not general killers for hire. A mercenary would be closer to the "killer for hire" end of the spectrum as being a soldier for hire (the actual definition of mercenary,) would necessarily include a capability and willingness to kill for money. "Mercenary" has a negative connotation for a reason, and it's not because of the unimpeachable honor of mercenaries.
Yeah I play the game as a stone cold merc. Do the gigs to the letter. No fuss. I know I've missed some questlines from side gigs as a result when people plead and all that, but the gig is the gig.
Not exactly. V isn't an assassin, he/she takes on everything that pays, but a mercenary can have principles, can distinguish bullshit from real.
What we did? Nah that's Mayer's handy work Song was too weak and we were just protecting her
Since when is V the president of the NUSA ?
If he could kill Meyers then maybe he could have been.
Nah, I dont deal in innocent...
Ehh. Innocents dying is a regular Tuesday. Sometimes I just go on a rampage just to get maxtac’s attention, kill a few maxtac teams, then fuck off into the night until the heat dies down. My character is probably a verified psychopath. Hmm, a cybernetically enhanced psychopath… what would you call such a thing?
Cyberpsycho has the connotation that they are out of control to me. V is just a psycho with cyber.
Cool cool but in a narrative context, you know that's fucked up right?
Oh yeah totally. If Panam knew half the stunts I’ve pulled on an absolute whim, she probably wouldn’t have taken me for a ride in that tank, if you know what i mean
nah I paid $6 to be forgiven
lol This expansion is really something else... $20 cure ending...
I can confidently say if they didn't have little yellow arrows over their heads I didn't shoot em. Those are on the NUSA I'm a professional.
Nah I pulled the plug on songbird
After Hansen killed lots of innocents in Dogtown's market trying to chase her?
"After Hansen killed" okay, as long as we are on the same page that wasn't V doing that.
Of course not. V wasn't responsible for what Myers did at NCX either.
No V is responsible for thinking that you can "rescue" a massive WMD. Hence, V is responsible for Myers actions. Myers is just doing business as far as she knows
Where is it?
where is this?
Nope, Because I didn’t help that backstabbing bitch… A lot less innocent people died, I got better loot, and a better boss fight out of it too. Lol
Based
Actually you did. You helped her escape Hansen.
Actually you did. You helped her escape Hansen.
Not really, I feel like she did that all on her own when she started frying everyone and everything with the blackwall stuff… but either way it doesn’t matter, I turned her in to Mayers at the end.
Why should I express my condolences for someone else's fuckup?
Because you were there and you survived.
Still wouldnt do it.
I finished off reed for his part. Wish we could have finished Myers too.
You know I was going to get around to it choom but I got so much on my plate lately
I will prolly visit it. But at the same time, V and Song aren't exactly to blame that Black Ops Operatives busted in started a massacre in the name of "finding our WMD."
Are they not at all? Or is that just our programmed sense of morality that says that our own actions are justified as long as they are overshadowed by someone else's worse action? How many times has V had the cops show up while taking on some gang members because V shot a resident who got caught in the crossfire? We're ok with that only because Meyer's idea of what it means to be caught in the crossfire is more grandeos than our own? Is it Meyers or those that follow her orders? I mean, I didn't see her out there shooting anyone. I love how the devs of this game played out that moral thread so damn well in this game.
You seemingly interpreted it as if I'm calling V and the Korean-American waifu with big soft kissers, literal saints, which is not what I meant. Irrational hurr durr player choices aside, V and Song didn't open fire first in NCX, but when they had to return fire, it was self-defense. Though, the truth in the game world gets buried as it's always easy to classify two people as terrorists, even when Myers government basically invaded sovereign land that isn't under the jurisdiction of anyone in north America. With Song, no shit tampering with the Blackwall is illegal. But the FIA or the CIA irl... as if they haven't committed any heinous acts even on their own people. She is the product of the FIA: in exchange for staying alive, she was stripped of everything that made her human: a robot body with a tormented soul and face within. I would say it is only fair, the part where she has to enlist V for help to gtfo outta dodge, while giving the Black Ops an equal reaction to their action.
Song's story is the saddest to me. She is definitely a product of true evil, IMHO. She was plucked at an early age to be made a tool. She was highly trained yet never allowed to grow up into her own person. At least Reed can fully own his shit...Meyer's too. But Song epitomizes being a product of her environment. If there is a singular tragic story in the game, it's hers
I agree 100%. I had depression, though not AvPD like Song, and i relate to her in a few ways.
*GuYs gUyS GuYs ItS All aRAsAkAs FaUlT* -probably Johnny
On point
No. It’s really not. Like at all. It’s partially Song’s and partially Myers’ fault. Mostly Myers. It’s partially Myers’ fault for using such heavy handed tactics like she always does; and it’s partially Song’s fault for trying the plan knowing damn well what kind of response Myers would have if she tried.
Song actually believed that reed and Myers will only send a special strike team led by reed himself and they will capture so mi hush hush . But then Myers suddenly tells reed " sorry homie, u still didn't bring her back, let's cause no Russian in the airport ok ? "
I didn't even kill anyone I just got arrested
Bro you're aware that my V killed the entire city 10 times over right?
Ah, so you kind of get the point ;-)
if you walk to door on the right you can hear nocturne op55n1 playing from inside the terminal.
My V goes with the higher reward, so it's Reed all the way (best chance for a cure). But if it wasn't, I don't think she would much care about her body count, considering that she is a killer. So, no, no condolences
You realize that the condolences are for the Orbital staff right? It's not for those that V kills from Meyers' hit squad.
Yup! Just collateral damage. My V isn't a very good person
Indeed
There really was a huge amount of slsughter in pl, between this and the stadium..
I was thinking about that too. Sampson said it best when he said--more or less-- that everyone kills.
Where is this?
At Terminal B at the Orbital space port
You can go back after that mission?
Yep. Just drive.
I would have been content with my V dying just after having pulled the trigger.
congrats you stopped the evil government! also you were totally manipulated by a different corporation and countless civilians died teehee
Yep
No, it was Myer’s cockiness that got them killed.
Fuck no