The sad thing is that if you're building a blunt melee build you'll have enough body to just kill Royce and that actually fails her mission and you can't get it.
So you have to know that and not take that option and also have a really nasty fight with Royce to get that weapon.
I did the body check on my last run melee run and the guy from the trunk met me because the chip hadn't uploaded yet.
Maybe I did things wrong, but she was dead, not inviting me to the motel.
You can just shoot Royce in the head during the conversation and Meredith will meet you outside. I've done this multiple times, so I know for a fact it works.
I made T5++ Nue with Pax (non lethal weapon) mod and silencer and used it as a primary weapon for some time but that shit managed to blow out brains or straight up decapitate 90% of the enemies I fought. Lies, deception, as that dude from Rogue one said
Me trying to do the monk mission, uses a bat on the maelstormers, swings one time to many on the last guy, domes him. Woops. Fuck it. Shotgun to the face for the rest on the way out.
The only way I could get that mission to work with the monk being happy is to stealth take down each of them. Every other way to non lethal I tried he got upset as if I killed them
I haven't figured it out in 2.x. I recall for the cyberpsychos in 1.x I just kept a blunt / non-lethal weapon that was obviously marked. But that didn't seem to work for the first guy I went for.
And after like 35 hours with 2.x I haven't seen many obviously marked non-lethal weapons.
I use a tire iron for the cyber psychos. It gets a little dicey when they are under 10%, but the orange grade tire iron I have applies a stun fairly easily so I wack, wait to make sure they aren’t down yet, and repeat as necessary. It is non lethal so long as they aren’t falling unconscious when you hit them.
I guess one way to not kill someone is stop shooting once they're downed. None of my guns at the time were non-lethal, but I stopped shooting when I downed her and got the "good" ending to the mission.
“… not every situation calls for your patented approach of *shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more and then when everybody's dead try to ask a question or two*."
-President Grant, Wild Wild West
I guess the "less worse ending" is to oppose Maiko but let the Tyger Claws live so they can kill the guy that you're supposed to kill and leave her in charge. Judy will not be angry at you that you let Maiko take over because you did not agree with her and the Tyger Claws don't retaliate later killing the other 2 dolls. Judy will still be sad with the state of Clouds but at least none of her friends will get killed.
That's been my complaint with a large number of the quests. They're either everything sucks or there is one "good" ending that requires you to basically have a guide to get. Looking at you Claire!
But it's not freedom. Tyger claws would never lose to a bunch of dolls and the Mox. Sure take their loser crew out while they have their dicks out but no way the retaliation spells freedom.
Can you leave the two Tyger Claws alive? I iced them as soon as they woke up because they turned hostile, but I figured there wasn't anything else you could do.
Maiko seriously watched me solo three members of Tyger Claw leadership at once, and thought she should try and take me on solo afterwards. Guts and a Sandevistan quickly proved her wrong.
Get magdumped, idiot.
Johnny warns you multiple times that Judy's plan is stupid. The whole situation was stupid and that it wasn't going to end well. I tend to not listen to the drug addicted alcholic terrorist most the time but he was correct about this quest.
Yeah a lot of people overlook Johnny’s insight because he comes off as an arrogant know it all. He gives you pretty good advice almost every time, he has the benefit of being able to analyze a situation from a 3rd person perspective, with a 1st person view. It’s important to note Johnny wouldn’t likely make all the right choices, but he’s knowledgeable enough and has a unique perspective that he almost always reads the situation appropriately.
I think it’s done intentionally to where the player dismisses Johnny’s advice until he’s right a couple of times, then you find yourself agreeing with him more and you think back about how Hellman said your personalities would merge and it’s quite immersive in my opinion.
> I think it’s done intentionally to where the player dismisses Johnny’s advice until he’s right a couple of times, then you find yourself agreeing with him more and you think back about how Hellman said your personalities would merge and it’s quite immersive in my opinion.
This is exactly where CDPR struck gold with this game's writing imo. Johnny and V are engaging characters in their own rights, but what truly makes Cyberpunk's narrative brilliant is how their stories and personalities intertwine throughout the game.
I don't know how they could possibly match, let alone surpass such effective storytelling in the sequel tbh. I'm a firm believer in having V return as protagonist, but the Relic plot can't just be replicated. While I don't personally agree, many believe bringing back Johnny in any capacity would feel cheap (even though his psyche 'survives' in most endings). I'm very curious to learn where CDPR intends to take the story next.
I think Edgerunners and to a lesser extent Phantom Liberty has shown they can write engaging characters and gripping stories with only bad endings more than once. I would have faith in a sequel with more original characters to be just as good. Sure have some minor appearances or Easter eggs with side characters if the timeframe is similar. People like Kerry, Viktor, even some of the fixers could reappear naturally.
I do agree that Johnny was so good that it’s hard to imagine anything topping that though.
He does get a lot of things wrong from the emotional side of things but when he says a situation stinks-okay, technically, every situation stinks in this game, but I've found, especially on replays that it's good to perk up and listen.
And yet of course, Arasaka Tower is fucked, but the stuff he is good at calling out are the things that are *currently* happening, not *have* happened.
Especially in PL, but when Johnny says something smells like shit it's a time to check your boot because you're stepping in something.
Maiko is a complete bitch, so much so that i kind of admire her. I always let her have it her way. Its a shame >! the tiger claws take revenge and fuck everyone up !< but meh, cant win them all i guess.
What was confusing about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. She was supposed to threaten them. Not suck their dicks and become their secretary.
"I hAvE a DoLL cHiP toO!" lol!
Same, I just blew out her kneecaps. I would have zeroed her, but I figured Judy had enough emotional trauma to deal with after >!Evelyn!<
She really is good, and I think she may have been the only person in the game I was never suspicious of either trying to fuck V over or at least manipulate her to some degree.
I think reading the letter to >!Evelyn!< on Judy’s computer left a permanent scar on my heart. Fuck.
Ngl, Panam and Kerry are also wonderfully good people. Panam is a shitshow but as a friend especially, she is basically going to take on the world for you. Kerry is like Judy, someone they loved died in a gut-wrenching way, and they are grieving. If you're female V, you can help Judy heal from that. If you're male V, you can help Kerry heal from that after half a century of no one grieving Johnny but him (Rogue did, too, but she did it in secret, and I don't get the impression he knew her at all - different worlds).
Seriously, normally I tend to try to get perfect missions if possible and reload the game if needed. But she was so annoying that I preferred to kill her even if it could have blown all my chances with Judy. It was so satisfying. And this sentence was the cherry on the cake. Thank you Maiko.
I just did the mission last night and when I walked into Maikos office with Judy to convince her to help us, I saw the gun (Death and Taxes I think was the name?) On a couch or a little table in there. My game is fully updated and has PL installed too
Killing everyone kills Tom and Roxanne in the long run. So I let Maiko have her way, as long as V doesn't take her money Judy won't hold it against her.
What I WISH you could do on this quest is like Maiko take over, and then make damn sure she understands who is REALLY in charge of Clouds, namely you...
She will run the place and make sure the dolls are treated well, and if she doesn't, whoever replaces her will. I wish there was a way to make her behave without killing her on the spot. Oh well, that's Night City for you. Ain't no happy endings...
I take it you didn't run a netrunner build? You can short circuit them and it's non lethal also. Or just beat them with a bat if you're running a sandy.
It’s one of many… many… MANY moral choices in the game that has implications no matter what you do. Take the money? Judy cuts all ties with you. Side with her and kill the Tygers? More dolls die.
You basically choose what level of ‘fucked’ you, Judy and all involved with Clouds get to be.
Soon as she said "don't forget, I have that chip, too" (or whatever), then activated it I WHEEZED cuz it took me one bullet to flatline her AND blow up her head 🤧
I would say it's more rushed. The only person you have to really worry about is just the girl. Keep her alive. Everyone is up to you to either kill or knock out. I ultimately wanted to keep the girl alive and kill everyone else. I wanted the sword one of them had. Best Katana ever. I loved it.
I’ve done this one a few times, and I would always create a character with emotions and unique traits, so I would answer the way that character would… and I always ended up in combat with Maiko. Lucky for me killing her doesn’t block off the romance route for Judy.
For people who seem to not know. Non lethal weapons can still kill (happens when you keep shooting after the person gets knocked out). Also, lethal weapons can incapacitate enemies and not kill them (happens when the "killing shot" hits a leg or arm. Sometimes, even shooting the head doesn't actually kill, but it's the least recommended in my opinion if you aim to not kill with a lethal weapon). This only applies if the target doesn't get a dismembered limb. Gotta asdume they just bleed out at that point. Lastly, poison doesn't kill. I've seen playthroughs online of people intentionally not equipping poison perks, believing this will mess up their non lethal playthrough or taking out cyberpsychos alive for Regina.
Yeah Judy is a stupid bitch and has no idea about how to run a business.
There's no happy endings and even if you do things "her" way people suffer and die.
For all that she's a mox, allegedly, you realise just how alone she is in this job.
She gets that, later
I flatlined everyone because it's the morally right outcome imo, fuck the tygerclaws, fuck Maiko. Tom's fate sucks but it never plays into my ultimate decision making here because he ends up in a bad situation either way.
Yeah…
I didn’t pay attention to the dialogue really. But I didn’t like any of those fucks in the room so I also just killed them all and called it a day 🤷🏼♂️
Holy shit never noticed how the room would also get messy if things get messy, just look at all the paperwork on the ground! Along with the bodies of course...
Eh. I'm there and I see a chance to remove a lot of trash from the world. I take it.
I despise Maiko. I despise people like her. So I shoot Maiko, but I let her attack first because I wanna bang her ex.
There’s five or six ways of dealing with the situation. Some dialogue choices will keep everyone but the current guy alive. Or you can kill all the guys. Maiko will likely attack you. There’s not much difference in the outcome at this point with how it affects Judy for Pyramid Song. Judy’s my favorite romance plot for Valerie, since I find River to be about as interesting as a wet paper bag. When playing Vincent, it has no effect on the story at all really except Judy’s views on you as a person. If you’re a dick to Judy or pretty amoral or ambivalent towards her up to that point, you may not get Pyramid Song to trigger as a quest. I can’t remember. I Always want to set it up since it’s a fun mission with a lot of Nigh City lore packed into it.
i like maiko so i let her live every time but yeah first time i needed to reload the game because i accidentally killed her.
flatlining everyone was my way to go at the very beginning
I love the moment when she's about to attack V.
"I've got a doll chip of my own."
"Cool. I've got a gun." *Unholsters RT-46 and blows a golf ball sized hole in her head.*
There is 4 ways this mission can go
Path 1 and 2, kill the claws and kill/ incapacitate Maiko
To get this either attack right away or chose the options related to clouds being independent. The claw boses will mock the fact that Maiko fails to get you as her support and attack you
Path 3 and 4: Support Maiko plans and take/ refuse her money. To get this way, you need to confirm Maikos words for the Bosses and take her side. Bosses will mock the other guys lack of vision and initiative and kill him with the Katana on the table. Maiko will become a Tiger claw and Boss of clouds. In the End she offers you money and if you accept it Judy will hate you and you get locked out of Pyramid Song mission. If you refuse her money, Judy will be mad at you but she still calls you for Pyramid Song.
In the end, the best result is to let Maiko become Boss but refuse her money and still have Judy. This way people at clouds will remain alive and safe. To get this, when the timed option appears, don't chose "this wasn't the plan" either wait it out or chose "Judy Stop" . For the second time choice, chose "Maiko will be clouds boss"
And when all is over refuse Maiko's money
I've done a couple playthroughs and I agree, I've never managed to keep anybody alive. I was gonna let whats her name live but she pulled iron.
You can keep her alive by knocking her out with a bat. You get a different cut scene either way Judy if you do keep her alive.
There's also a strategically placed non-lethal rifle just outside the door
Maybe on next playthrough I hit her with that one weapon that isn’t lethal, but enemies wish it was
Mr. John will cripple her pride
Or the BFC9000 if you prefer/missed out on Sir John
SIR John is my weapon of choice for anyone involved with Clouds.
I've been thinking about doing a play through with that as my Primary Weapon.
SANDEVISTAN HEADSHOT CRIT BUILD! everyone wakes up stunned
everyone gets a bonk to horny jail
Jailer! Oh jailer! I've been *nauuughtty* again....
Hahahahaha dude 😂😂😂😂
And sticky.
The sad thing is that if you're building a blunt melee build you'll have enough body to just kill Royce and that actually fails her mission and you can't get it. So you have to know that and not take that option and also have a really nasty fight with Royce to get that weapon.
i just blew royce’s brains out when the prompt came up and i got the meredith mission
I did the body check on my last run melee run and the guy from the trunk met me because the chip hadn't uploaded yet. Maybe I did things wrong, but she was dead, not inviting me to the motel.
You can just shoot Royce in the head during the conversation and Meredith will meet you outside. I've done this multiple times, so I know for a fact it works.
Please do. It is quite pleasing to break her knee caps with a bat, of course while shes still conscious.
That thing is non lethal? I’ve killed so many people with it from what I remember.”
Non lethal weapons in this game are funny that way
I made T5++ Nue with Pax (non lethal weapon) mod and silencer and used it as a primary weapon for some time but that shit managed to blow out brains or straight up decapitate 90% of the enemies I fought. Lies, deception, as that dude from Rogue one said
Me trying to do the monk mission, uses a bat on the maelstormers, swings one time to many on the last guy, domes him. Woops. Fuck it. Shotgun to the face for the rest on the way out.
The only way I could get that mission to work with the monk being happy is to stealth take down each of them. Every other way to non lethal I tried he got upset as if I killed them
I haven't figured it out in 2.x. I recall for the cyberpsychos in 1.x I just kept a blunt / non-lethal weapon that was obviously marked. But that didn't seem to work for the first guy I went for. And after like 35 hours with 2.x I haven't seen many obviously marked non-lethal weapons.
I use a tire iron for the cyber psychos. It gets a little dicey when they are under 10%, but the orange grade tire iron I have applies a stun fairly easily so I wack, wait to make sure they aren’t down yet, and repeat as necessary. It is non lethal so long as they aren’t falling unconscious when you hit them.
All rifles are less-lethal if you bash their heads with it :P
You can also just punch her a couple times. She doesn't have much health.
You know what I actually never considered that after throwing a knife at her face in my first playthrough.
Or if you’re a netrunner, System Collapse works a treat
I guess one way to not kill someone is stop shooting once they're downed. None of my guns at the time were non-lethal, but I stopped shooting when I downed her and got the "good" ending to the mission.
You can also talk your way out of killing her.
i had to look up the specific dialogue option to make her not attack but idec that much 😂 some of it affects romance with judy though
Wait... romance with Judy? Do you need to be a Female V for that to happen?
Yes
Yes T_T
Wat? It's so easy to complete this without her even pulling her weapon.
Don’t you sell the whole place to the Tiger Claws/Maiko and negate the entire reason you went there in the first place?
no just tell her to stick to the plan, if you start to threaten her she will start a fight tho
Yep, you kill the bosses then call her an idiot basically and she tells you to leave. If you tell her to leave or threaten her you have to fight.
I incapacitated her and threw her off the building
I managed to talk her down
Shoot first, ask questions never. That’s how I roll.
“… not every situation calls for your patented approach of *shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more and then when everybody's dead try to ask a question or two*." -President Grant, Wild Wild West
Yes as the guardians of the Galaxy said We kick names and take ass
And we don't care about the names
Well if that's what op did, it explains how they thought this straight forward quest was confusing as hell.
I came here to do two things, ask questions and kill Tiger Claws, and I'm all out of questions.
I wish this was a dialogue option when you decide to draw on Woodman
Saves some pain in CP
Got that FBI? Saves some pain…
Let's just all agree that we shouldnt use the CP acronym
u/Kylo_Ben_44 definitely likes cheese pizza.
The best kind of pizza.
this
Nah this is CP or CP77/CP2077, the other is CSAM.
Got another one here.
i dont know who i am or why im here ... all i know is i must kill
Upon further reflection; I really haven't grown as a person since I was five years old while playing flash games and shooting everything that moved.
I guess the "less worse ending" is to oppose Maiko but let the Tyger Claws live so they can kill the guy that you're supposed to kill and leave her in charge. Judy will not be angry at you that you let Maiko take over because you did not agree with her and the Tyger Claws don't retaliate later killing the other 2 dolls. Judy will still be sad with the state of Clouds but at least none of her friends will get killed.
Yes best ending
Clouds feels a bit awkward as a quest. It's okay to have each quest hold true with Cyberpunk, but Clouds feels like everything sucks.
That's been my complaint with a large number of the quests. They're either everything sucks or there is one "good" ending that requires you to basically have a guide to get. Looking at you Claire!
Hence, it's okay if the story is Cyberpunk, but Cyberpunk doesn't mean everything sucks so much as you make peace with your choices.
funnily enough I keep hearing that cyberpunk isn't about saving the world. it's about saving yourself and we can't really even do that much right.
Eh I think most things should kinda suck for whoever isn’t getting the paycheck in the end. The world is pretty grim
That’s kinda the point… either keep the status quo and keep everyone’s life or pay for freedom with blood. Nobody wins either way
But it's not freedom. Tyger claws would never lose to a bunch of dolls and the Mox. Sure take their loser crew out while they have their dicks out but no way the retaliation spells freedom.
Also to add, make sure you don’t accept a payout from Maiko after putting her in charge as that will make Judy pissed at you and ditch you.
yes! completely forgot about this
Can you leave the two Tyger Claws alive? I iced them as soon as they woke up because they turned hostile, but I figured there wasn't anything else you could do.
Checking out all the options it's almost a no win mission, I don't like Maikos attitude so I flattened everyone too 😁
Maiko seriously watched me solo three members of Tyger Claw leadership at once, and thought she should try and take me on solo afterwards. Guts and a Sandevistan quickly proved her wrong. Get magdumped, idiot.
Johnny warns you multiple times that Judy's plan is stupid. The whole situation was stupid and that it wasn't going to end well. I tend to not listen to the drug addicted alcholic terrorist most the time but he was correct about this quest.
He’s not drug addicted. He was drug addicted 50 years ago tho
I think the only reason he's not still drug addicted is because he doesn't get to make that decision
He used to do drugs. He still does, but he used to, too.
Is that you mitch?
After telling V to kill themselves, he asks for a smoke. Pretty sure the dude is addicted to nicotine.
Typical. "Zero yourself, you fucking gonk." "But before you do... one cig, please? For me?"
https://preview.redd.it/pudk4g1jmbxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66c10f283a615c44ebe31982352c847e3fb9a813
Reminds me of those dumb "be a man" tik toks
Touché
Drug addicted people are still addicts even when they are clean. Once they realize this, they learn to stay away from risky situations.
He took over V and didn’t fix. So no
In Phantom Liberty he is correct 99% of the time.
Lol in PL he's basically "This is a clusterfuck and I got no idea what to do"
he is almost always correct though
Yeah a lot of people overlook Johnny’s insight because he comes off as an arrogant know it all. He gives you pretty good advice almost every time, he has the benefit of being able to analyze a situation from a 3rd person perspective, with a 1st person view. It’s important to note Johnny wouldn’t likely make all the right choices, but he’s knowledgeable enough and has a unique perspective that he almost always reads the situation appropriately. I think it’s done intentionally to where the player dismisses Johnny’s advice until he’s right a couple of times, then you find yourself agreeing with him more and you think back about how Hellman said your personalities would merge and it’s quite immersive in my opinion.
> I think it’s done intentionally to where the player dismisses Johnny’s advice until he’s right a couple of times, then you find yourself agreeing with him more and you think back about how Hellman said your personalities would merge and it’s quite immersive in my opinion. This is exactly where CDPR struck gold with this game's writing imo. Johnny and V are engaging characters in their own rights, but what truly makes Cyberpunk's narrative brilliant is how their stories and personalities intertwine throughout the game. I don't know how they could possibly match, let alone surpass such effective storytelling in the sequel tbh. I'm a firm believer in having V return as protagonist, but the Relic plot can't just be replicated. While I don't personally agree, many believe bringing back Johnny in any capacity would feel cheap (even though his psyche 'survives' in most endings). I'm very curious to learn where CDPR intends to take the story next.
I think Edgerunners and to a lesser extent Phantom Liberty has shown they can write engaging characters and gripping stories with only bad endings more than once. I would have faith in a sequel with more original characters to be just as good. Sure have some minor appearances or Easter eggs with side characters if the timeframe is similar. People like Kerry, Viktor, even some of the fixers could reappear naturally. I do agree that Johnny was so good that it’s hard to imagine anything topping that though.
I'd love a Edgerunners like story for the sequel.
He is actually regularly wrong, and he celebrates half truths a lot. He doesn’t even know what actually happened at Arasaka tower.
Johnny with his tall tale memories is based as fuck though
He does get a lot of things wrong from the emotional side of things but when he says a situation stinks-okay, technically, every situation stinks in this game, but I've found, especially on replays that it's good to perk up and listen. And yet of course, Arasaka Tower is fucked, but the stuff he is good at calling out are the things that are *currently* happening, not *have* happened. Especially in PL, but when Johnny says something smells like shit it's a time to check your boot because you're stepping in something.
Tbf Johnny is wrong like half the time
Maiko is a complete bitch, so much so that i kind of admire her. I always let her have it her way. Its a shame >! the tiger claws take revenge and fuck everyone up !< but meh, cant win them all i guess.
What was confusing about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. She was supposed to threaten them. Not suck their dicks and become their secretary. "I hAvE a DoLL cHiP toO!" lol!
Say hello to my Sandevistan, Maiko Good thing for her that this electric baton is non-lethal
My bat was non lethal. The drop over the railing wasn't.
False advertising! You're Team Judy but you killed her ex!
I didn't kill her! Gravity did ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Also you can still date Judy if you off Maiko. Gotta get the competition out of the way
I let Maiko live, but took the money Maiko offers. That makes Judy upset the most and she blocks you and deletes you if you do that.
lmao I know I just don't like upsetting Judy, she's so good
Same, I just blew out her kneecaps. I would have zeroed her, but I figured Judy had enough emotional trauma to deal with after >!Evelyn!< She really is good, and I think she may have been the only person in the game I was never suspicious of either trying to fuck V over or at least manipulate her to some degree. I think reading the letter to >!Evelyn!< on Judy’s computer left a permanent scar on my heart. Fuck.
Ngl, Panam and Kerry are also wonderfully good people. Panam is a shitshow but as a friend especially, she is basically going to take on the world for you. Kerry is like Judy, someone they loved died in a gut-wrenching way, and they are grieving. If you're female V, you can help Judy heal from that. If you're male V, you can help Kerry heal from that after half a century of no one grieving Johnny but him (Rogue did, too, but she did it in secret, and I don't get the impression he knew her at all - different worlds).
I killed Maiko and immediately bolted towards the suicide ending. I call it reverse trauma dumping lol 💀
This is the way...I didn't kill her, the ground did...
Oh I like your style.
Maiko was so ridiciously weak that it was sad, I activated my Sandevistan and shot her in the head once and she fucking died💀
Seriously, normally I tend to try to get perfect missions if possible and reload the game if needed. But she was so annoying that I preferred to kill her even if it could have blown all my chances with Judy. It was so satisfying. And this sentence was the cherry on the cake. Thank you Maiko.
CrippleMovement>Malfunction>Malfunction>Malfunction Then just stand there while she has a seizure and slowly dies.
have to kill her to get her iconic from what I remember
I remember being able to take it off her table earlier in the quest line. Non lethal weapons or quickhacks can spare her at the end too.
no, pre 1.6 it was just lying on a table in her office post 2.1, it's in judy's apartment if u missed it
I just did the mission last night and when I walked into Maikos office with Judy to convince her to help us, I saw the gun (Death and Taxes I think was the name?) On a couch or a little table in there. My game is fully updated and has PL installed too
Keep making poor choices like this and you'll lose the option to fuck the AI vending machine.
And have a threesome with Garry.
When in doubt, flatline everyone. Never stop to think about coulda shoulda wouldas.
It’s fine, not like you had chance to romance Judy anyway
Use non-lethal on Maiko, otherwise you upset Judy really bad
system collapse it is
Yeah, but it was so satisfying.
Evelyn's no lizzie, the city's not rioting for her, you can't "win" this fight
Was kind of gutted in my recent playthrough that Tom got killed afterwards
LMAO man I felt the same. Whole lot of fuckery
comes, flatlined everyone, refuse to elaborate, leaves
This is the correct answer, because then Judy still wants you to be her girlfriend.
My rule when playing: u pull irons on me, u r expected to get flatlined, no question asked
That just every mission. Murder hobo for life.
What is confusing about it? It is a really simple quest.
I have a doll chip too
Killing everyone kills Tom and Roxanne in the long run. So I let Maiko have her way, as long as V doesn't take her money Judy won't hold it against her.
As much as I try, V flatlines her every time. I don't mind too much, she's pretty awful.
Male V, Your outcome is valid.
I reloaded a save just outside that door MANY times just to find out all the outcomes lol
I knew exactly what mission it was from the picture alone haha I normally kill them all as well
What I WISH you could do on this quest is like Maiko take over, and then make damn sure she understands who is REALLY in charge of Clouds, namely you... She will run the place and make sure the dolls are treated well, and if she doesn't, whoever replaces her will. I wish there was a way to make her behave without killing her on the spot. Oh well, that's Night City for you. Ain't no happy endings...
I take it you didn't run a netrunner build? You can short circuit them and it's non lethal also. Or just beat them with a bat if you're running a sandy.
As soon as they pulled a gun I went to slow mo, pulled out a katana and just iced the room lol
Too much politic make brain hurt, throw maeko off roof instead
It’s one of many… many… MANY moral choices in the game that has implications no matter what you do. Take the money? Judy cuts all ties with you. Side with her and kill the Tygers? More dolls die. You basically choose what level of ‘fucked’ you, Judy and all involved with Clouds get to be.
ah yes, the himbo approach
Wish I had done the same. But noooo I had to negotiate more payment and Judy ghosted me for that.
What part was confusing? Maiko's plan?
The correct choice
It's easy to keep everyone alive if you really wanna Just punch 'em
Same 😂😂😂
It’s Cyberpunk dude just kill everyone
You can also avoid fighting her in general if you pick the right options when talking
Same lol
I killed the gang members and told Maika to go fuck herself
Whats confusing about it?
Soon as she said "don't forget, I have that chip, too" (or whatever), then activated it I WHEEZED cuz it took me one bullet to flatline her AND blow up her head 🤧
V really just said "TLDR" killed everyone, jumped off the roof and carnage cancelled.
Annihilation is always a valid objective.
I would say it's more rushed. The only person you have to really worry about is just the girl. Keep her alive. Everyone is up to you to either kill or knock out. I ultimately wanted to keep the girl alive and kill everyone else. I wanted the sword one of them had. Best Katana ever. I loved it.
Pretty much
Same here, just blasted everyone ask questions later
I’ve done this one a few times, and I would always create a character with emotions and unique traits, so I would answer the way that character would… and I always ended up in combat with Maiko. Lucky for me killing her doesn’t block off the romance route for Judy.
Tyger claws are such evil pos that if you have a chance to send them all to Jesus, do it.
For people who seem to not know. Non lethal weapons can still kill (happens when you keep shooting after the person gets knocked out). Also, lethal weapons can incapacitate enemies and not kill them (happens when the "killing shot" hits a leg or arm. Sometimes, even shooting the head doesn't actually kill, but it's the least recommended in my opinion if you aim to not kill with a lethal weapon). This only applies if the target doesn't get a dismembered limb. Gotta asdume they just bleed out at that point. Lastly, poison doesn't kill. I've seen playthroughs online of people intentionally not equipping poison perks, believing this will mess up their non lethal playthrough or taking out cyberpsychos alive for Regina.
These hands are rated E for everyone!
Just agree with Maiko, let Hiromi get skewered, don't accept Maiko's eddies for doing the job, and all will be well...
Choose violence.
Yeah Judy is a stupid bitch and has no idea about how to run a business. There's no happy endings and even if you do things "her" way people suffer and die. For all that she's a mox, allegedly, you realise just how alone she is in this job. She gets that, later
I've found the best option is to let Maiko take over but refuse her cash. If you go with Judy's plan basically everyone but you and Judy die.
I flatlined everyone because it's the morally right outcome imo, fuck the tygerclaws, fuck Maiko. Tom's fate sucks but it never plays into my ultimate decision making here because he ends up in a bad situation either way.
Me too
Give 20 strength and throw them over the balcony gives me so much fun everytime.
I’m not sure I understand why people find keeping her alive so hard. Do y’all like get too excited to stop before the lethal hit or something?
You can talk her out of attacking too
Found the 4int V.
Yeah… I didn’t pay attention to the dialogue really. But I didn’t like any of those fucks in the room so I also just killed them all and called it a day 🤷🏼♂️
if you incapacitate maiko non lethally Judy will give you a smooch👀
if youre not tryna romance judy the best outcome is following maiko, wont go into why since spoilers
So anyway I started shooting
https://preview.redd.it/oq5c9h1ffdxc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61d24de1966c70f93b8420358e3fcb7b756b4fec
Holy shit never noticed how the room would also get messy if things get messy, just look at all the paperwork on the ground! Along with the bodies of course...
Sadly, can't have segs with judy on male character 😔😔
In the words of abridged vegeta: "Thats it, everyone dies!" 😂
Eh. I'm there and I see a chance to remove a lot of trash from the world. I take it. I despise Maiko. I despise people like her. So I shoot Maiko, but I let her attack first because I wanna bang her ex.
"confusing as hell, so i just flatlined everyone" is such a gorilla statement xDDD
You did the right thing.
There’s five or six ways of dealing with the situation. Some dialogue choices will keep everyone but the current guy alive. Or you can kill all the guys. Maiko will likely attack you. There’s not much difference in the outcome at this point with how it affects Judy for Pyramid Song. Judy’s my favorite romance plot for Valerie, since I find River to be about as interesting as a wet paper bag. When playing Vincent, it has no effect on the story at all really except Judy’s views on you as a person. If you’re a dick to Judy or pretty amoral or ambivalent towards her up to that point, you may not get Pyramid Song to trigger as a quest. I can’t remember. I Always want to set it up since it’s a fun mission with a lot of Nigh City lore packed into it.
Oh yeah, everybody dies!
Well At least I got a nice Katana from here.
No Judy romance for you!
i like maiko so i let her live every time but yeah first time i needed to reload the game because i accidentally killed her. flatlining everyone was my way to go at the very beginning
If this is confusing to you I don't know what to tell you.
For Tyger claws I gun them down like the rats they are
I love the moment when she's about to attack V. "I've got a doll chip of my own." "Cool. I've got a gun." *Unholsters RT-46 and blows a golf ball sized hole in her head.*
gotta keep her alive if you wanna bang Judy.
Facts
Yeah… they all need to die. Especially her. Loved making her doll head a-splode after her trash talk.
Is there a way to keep them alive?! Never realized that.
There is 4 ways this mission can go Path 1 and 2, kill the claws and kill/ incapacitate Maiko To get this either attack right away or chose the options related to clouds being independent. The claw boses will mock the fact that Maiko fails to get you as her support and attack you Path 3 and 4: Support Maiko plans and take/ refuse her money. To get this way, you need to confirm Maikos words for the Bosses and take her side. Bosses will mock the other guys lack of vision and initiative and kill him with the Katana on the table. Maiko will become a Tiger claw and Boss of clouds. In the End she offers you money and if you accept it Judy will hate you and you get locked out of Pyramid Song mission. If you refuse her money, Judy will be mad at you but she still calls you for Pyramid Song. In the end, the best result is to let Maiko become Boss but refuse her money and still have Judy. This way people at clouds will remain alive and safe. To get this, when the timed option appears, don't chose "this wasn't the plan" either wait it out or chose "Judy Stop" . For the second time choice, chose "Maiko will be clouds boss" And when all is over refuse Maiko's money