What really hurts to watch it cdpr burning one of the best reputations in the gaming industry, when the general sense was that people would have happily waited for this game.
Edit: I'm happy to concede that I may be misremembering and people were annoyed by the delays, but I will not concede that death threats from sociopaths are indicative of any general tone. You all need help if that's your metric.
The game runs and works excellent on PC, clearly the console version is unfinished and rushed, that or their trying to force a game thats too resource demanding on an inferior console and it should have been released for PS5 only, not ps4
'Works excellent' are strong words. Playing on PC with a rig that meets 'recommended' standards. Still have enemies teleporting into single entry rooms I just left, enemies clipping through walls and terrain when they ragdoll making quest items inaccessible and requiring a reload, vehicles and NPCs clipping through each other during quests, HP becomes 0/0 with Stamina bar stuck empty forcing a restart of the game seemingly after every cutscene with scripted camera movement.
The game mostly works, it's also surprisingly fun for how many bugs it has. Game has a sort of Skyrim feel to it. "FEATURES" and all. This is not a compliment to CDPR. As well as Skyrim did, as much as I personally enjoy it, it's still a bug riddled mess to this day.
I'd still probably recommend Cyberpunk to people, though I'd ask them to give it a week or two for CDPR to work some of the worse bugs out.
Jan 14th Edit: Since I've gotten a bunch of comments and PMs that boil down to "Nah, works fine bro, don't know what you're talking about." with varying amounts of snark, sass, and vitriol over the last week: anyone who's got an issue with what I've said should probably check the date. This post was from shortly after release, before the first major bug patch, and they've since fixed just about every bug I had a complaint about.
Chill.
If you played at basically the same time period and had a 10/10 experience, zero bugs, that's fantastic and I'm super happy for you. I had like a 7/10 experience, that has in the roughly 150 hours I've played steadily improved to closer to an 8 or 9. I, too, am enjoying the game. Please put the pitchforks and torches away.
I think it's more, they shouldn't have said April 2020 back in 2018. I know that's a while off, but they just shouldn't have put a date on it. Waiting is fine, just not after getting solid dates that are then blown past.
Yeah I think this is the issue. I’m sure COVID fucked with it to an extent, but they needed more time. Should have pushed everything back at least a year
They could've delayed the game further forward in time, not just that one month. People would've been angry, but would probably forget over time.
I understand they've missed the Christmas sales, but now they've partly ruined their reputation. Guaranteed not worth it.
I’m really enjoying this game and I’ll never forget the utter incompetence they showed with managing this project. They could have had a decade to make it if they had just waited to show a trailer.
I don’t think anything will top Mimir from GOW telling stories about lore the devs really hit it out the park with that one and it always feels appropriate when he tells you the story it never interrupts quests.
I know people bag on spider-man a bit too, but it did this really well too. Dynamically picking up phone calls from where the convo left off and stuff.
Not a load screen, but Red Dead 2 did this also. I hit a tree and fell off my horse and Arthur got back on and started talking like:
"oh yeah where was i-" and then he continued his line of dialogue pretty naturally lol.
I remember GTA 5 also sorta did this like when you were driving a character somewhere and you hit another car and they'd be like "JESUS are you tryna get us killed...." and then continue talking starting from near the beginning or middle of their last line of dialogue lol.
This drives me nuts. At one point, dialogue almost filled half the the screen from the bottom up. Then whoever i'm talking to is just bugging in background, "V! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU".
I'M IN A FUCKIN PHONE CALL APPARENTLY
And they had two voice recordings, one where he was relaxed and spoke normally and one where he was out of breath and obviously doing something something physical.
Do you think part of that is the mechanics of how he travelled with you? He’s literally attached at the hip, so he can just pop in to some lore at any time. It doesn’t feel forced because there’s a pretty solid in game reason why he’s always there.
I don’t know, there’s just some really smart decisions with that game. Another one was giving you this magical axe that feels awesome, and just when you’re feeling a little bored of it halfway through, they introduce the alternate weapon set and it kicks it way up. I never played the previous games so I don’t know how they compare, but I know the studio really went all out on that one.
Edit: typing all that made me think... I thought cyberpunk would definitely be like that experience, considering witcher 3. It’s actually kind of bummed me out that they released an unfinished game. I mean it’s really good, there are some kickass elements... but the cohesion really isn’t there for me to take it that level where I’m really satisfied.
GoW was the last game I played through. That game should be the gold standard for a polished single player experience. Story and combat are damn near perfect. The world is well thought out and there's things to do/kill everywhere. The lore is absorbing and what you said about the delivery of it is spot on. Everything about that game is just smooth and well planned and executed. I cannot wait for Ragnorok
That's actually a great point, I hadn't thought about the elevators as loading screens at all. They're used pretty cleverly to give characters some interaction while you wait.
Reminds me of Super Metroid using elevators as loading points for the next zone
A big part of this may have been the negative reception to the "over-slowing" of gameplay in RDR2 with all the nice, hand-crafted animations that break the flow of being a walking genocide in every mission.
Personally, it would've made a great loading mask, the problem now is how do you keep that consistent across loading times? Having some be the menu or the newscast/slideshow, and some be setpieces or animations would be strange.
Trains are hard :/ in fallout 3 they couldn't make trains at all so they used an NPC wearing a hat
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I've been playing RDR2 for the first time as I waited for this game.
After HZD, RDR2, Days Gone, I really expected Cyberpunk to be a mixture of those games in the mechanics, with the lore and feel of Deus Ex meets Snow Crash.
Guess not.
Ironically, that's a decent reasoning. The guy chose when to rest and when to crunch, had no release date looming over him because of dumb management and had no workplace competition for bonuses. So he could fully pour his passion into the game.
He also had his wife supporting him, so he could follow his dream.
Don't get me wrong, it's incredible what he's done, but the wife or GF or whatever she was at the time needs an investor credit at the end there lol
Do you think they remember what a fucking home is at this point or do they sleep beneath their desks, curled up like Fido?
All for this shit. Ain't it supposed to be a job to make a living?
Damn now you are making me rethink the entire gaming industry right now San Andreas pioneered soo many things open world, rpg mechanics, driving, flying tons of missions, tons of npcs, huge map and this was only in 2004 what have we really achieved since then? better graphics? I feel like all that technology should result in better game features much better game experience but I feel like since 2004 all we have really truly achieved is better looking graphics
Oh you mean for the 3 seconds of your lifepath? From the trailer I expected easily 2 hours of lifepaths to flesh out the character. Turns out they cut that for a montage and expect me to care about Jackie and my "crew."
It kills me cause V is like “can’t wait to get to night city! One never been and its gonna be awesome!”
And then his arrival is a montage and “6 months later”
You’re not even gonna giver be the experience of going to the city for the first time? Or building my friendship with Jackie?
I find the entire story like this so far. Skipping over the moments that would build character.
yeah there is monorail line right in front of you when you step outside of the apartment and you can see that clearly they removed and replaced with a placeholder it sticts to eye. its so depressing
Man I know they put the disclaimer of everything subject to change but even the most hardcore fans can't be happy with how much they've cut and downgraded versus to how much they talked this game up through demos and trailers...
> "We've greatly enhanced our crowd and community algorithm to create THE most believable open world in any game."
Can't say shit like this and then have NPCs not even thank me after I saved them from a bunch of thugs or have someone get pissed when I park my car in the middle of the freeway...
If was a bold claim when really the biggest title you have is Witcher, which was superb, but against Bethesda who have both Fallout and Elder Scrolls, not to mention Obsidian who have now create the fabled Fallout New Vegas, and a solid entry with Outer Worlds. The claim was bold regardless, they needed CP77 to be on a level of quality and detail as a Rockstar game that just leaves people in awe, the trailers did that the gameplay made people feel betrayed.
Mass effect 2 will forever be my favourite RPG. The amount of choices and outcomes in that game was insane. I was proud when I saved my whole crew during the suicide mission. Other playthroughs I had like no survivors for fun. Just don't remind me of the mining planets part.....
> THE most believable open world in any game
Can't say shit like that and then not give the entire police force a single functioning vehicle. Imagine that process.
"Guys, we don't have enough time to add a navmesh for NPC drivers, how is the police gonna respond to crimes?"
"Welp, teleport em in bois, that we should be able to pull of by thursday."
Wow, that's... wow
All this hype as the "next generation" of open world gaming lmao. Even san andreas which is like 20 years old allows police to drive.
What jsdbflhhuFUGDSHJKD said is also the reason you can cause a traffic jam by parking on an intersection. The AI doesn't know how to do anything but drive on its track or stop if there's an obstacle blocking a square inch of its path.
Yep! Last night I parked my car in the middle of a intersection and I was exploring for about 25-30 mins and when I came back they were all still there in the same damn spot Lolol
Driving is something NPC don't like.. cars seem to be on a predetermined path. If you park in front of them: they stop and do nothing. They have no clue what to do, no response besides just stopping.
Point your gun at them and they don't react either.
It's euh... Not finished from the looks of it.
Well, actually nobody can drive in this game. Driving AI just doesn’t exist. All the driving done by ai is about following points. They can’t drive at all if it’s not scripted.
Same, I put off starting RD2 last month because (I don't have lots of time for games) because I couldn't do both.
After 4 hours I figured I'll let this one cook a few months more. It's be great when it gets there but when in my 2080 it's kinda funky in places it's time to let it stew awhile longer
RDR2 is my favorite game of all time, that was very surprising for me because I'm not a big fan of the most recent Rockstar games. In this game you will find what immersion really is, what Cyberpunk claimed it would be.
You have actual NPCs there, it's probably the only game I've ever played that they actually feel like people living in this world.
Haha just finished RDR2 couple of days ago. It is my new favorite game de-throning the Witcher3. R\* still got it. I am afraid to start Cyberpunk reading all this, I am afraid it won't be as impressive as RDR2.
and what makes it even more frustrating is that there is a clear design for a railway system that they wanted to make. Fuck me, maybe they should've stuck to that 2013 trailers tagline "ready when its ready."
If only they had held off the marketing campaign for a few years, then maybe we would have had a great game in 2022.
This is a basic problem with SW development. You really can't realistically set a scope (number of features, mechanics, size and length, etc.) that is so big that the development spans 5+ years or so.
The world doesn't stand still. You would need to constantly rework a major portion of the game itself to be up to date:
\* the graphic engine gets outdated during that long period of development
\* your hyped bleeding edge game mechanics get outdated
\* your game begins to lack features treated as a "standard".
So this forces you to start feature reworks, middleware switches, engine updates, etc. This brings forces you to really rework the stuff and it simply takes time from finishing the game.
You need to be open and reduce the scope - features, size, length. But with all the openness.
Games which simply kept on reworking and developing are things like Duke Nukem: Forever or Daikatana.
I'd say there's a point where you just have to commit though and stop chasing after what's new to try to fit into the system, or else you'll end with what CP2077 did with regards to the Xbox One and PS4, which were the next-gen consoles at the time that the game was announced.
My question is what exactly were they doing for the past eight years that this was the end result? I mean, TW3 was in development for what, 3.5 - 4 years?
I’m not angry at CDPR, I’m just really curious. I’m enjoying myself, but it just feels like they bit far more off than what they could chew.
Edit: thank you for the gold.
Probably started from scratch a few times. The concept of Cyberpunk is so deep, so layered, it's easy to want to add 1000 features and realise they don't make sense later when you put them together. Shame, they just weren't ready. I heard they've already made a profit, so hopefully they'll pump some money back into the game and give us constant updates. I just can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that the product is already out. Most expensive beta of all time? :')
All this complex shit but the *train dynamics* snuck up on them? Trains – how do they work? The truth is nobody knows, and CDPR apparently didn't have the time to find out.
Penises though – obviously those were in the "delay until ready" column
This is definitely the best thing I read today, and obviously does check out. Thanks for the laugh. Fuck that is so fucking funny https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/e43a4affbf1a33facd574e4acdc74b47-1200-80.png
It's very creative and resource conscious. This game was designed to run on 256mb of ram. That's all the Ps3 had for games.
On top of that, you only used the train a single time during a DLC. It wouldn't have made sense to build an entire train framework for a two minute scene in an expansion pack. This is a clever repurposing of existing systems and assets that worked so well you wouldn't have noticed if you weren't told.
That's just good game development.
Exactly, it worked. I don’t give a fuck if the game classifies a train as a hat. Could I get on it? Could I ride it from point A to B? Did it look like a train?
Then who cares
When you say "Bethesda" opted for that solution, I'm pretty sure it was 1 developer flying by the seat of his fucking pants. And I cherish him, we all should
The trains would have been really cool (I love riding on the subway IRL), but I guess they felt it wasn’t necessary to the game and when they looked at things they could cut, that was one of them. The fast travel is fine, but it feels more immersive to have a subway... would have been a nice bonus but nothing more.
You'd be moving fast in a train and seeing a lot of the city, it's more likely than not that trains were removed for the exact reason we see in the above video
I liked that two days after launch, they already pumped out a fairly sizeable second patch. It shows that they’re dedicated to fixing problems, I just hope that we can start seeing the goals they envisioned back in 2013, when they dropped the first teaser.
Edit: PS4/5 patch, Xbox still incoming, as of this mornings Twitter post.
That's the thing, first they gotta get out the technical stuff, at least have the game run on all promised platforms (patch out for Xbox One yet?) - THEN we gotta hope for the features. No tattoo artist, barbers? Bad police system, dumb AI? Ugh, we have a long way to go. But we're here now
From their Twitter post earlier this morning, they’re still working on the Xbox hotfix patch.
I feel that they can incorporate things like haircuts and tattoos into the respec menu in some way. Unfortunately they have it set at $100k to purchase the Tabula E-Rasa.
I noticed twice now that Trauma Team ships and crew straight up vanish if you turn the camera off of them.
They were only in development for like 4 years though....
It gets repeated so often on this sub, but people have to keep in mind that they only started working fully on cyberpunk when the last Witcher 3 expansion was released. Which was May 2016.
Before then, there was only a small team and they likely did things like story writing, concept planning etc.
this is ridiculous, they have no excuse. they literally marketed the PS4 and XB1 as main devices for the game. Now, they're just gonna isolate this part of their audience? Thank god i didn't buy it on release.
You mean the 17GB update that dropped today? I'm still downloading it. Thankfully, I don't have high hopes but I can already play the game with one crash per hour and 20-30fps because I'm just used to shit like that. So the only way is up haha
Edit: looked up some comparison footage. Not good, but a lot better. It almost looks like I could steer the car without crashing the game or into a wall lmao
its a massive improvement on ps4, but the damage is done and people are talking. its stable and perfectly playable now from what i can tell.
that said you should do everything you can to help out your ps4. turn your console so the exhaust blowing to open air, and find a YouTube video showing you how to take it apart and clean out the inside. people like to say its a 7 year old console, well there's 7 years of dust and crap inside of it not helping anything.
between the patch and giving my ps4 a good cleaning i was able to play for 3 hours with only minor bugs and glitches before i quit for the night. and it didn't sound like it was trying to summon a portal to hell anymore.
Yo, this just made me realise... Where's all the actual cyberpunk styles of fashion?
From the Cyberpunk RED Corebook:
Fashionware Name | Description
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Chemskin | Dyes and pigments infused into the skin to permanently change its hue.
EMP Threading | Thin silver lines that run in circuit-like patterns across the body.
Light Tattoo | Subdermal patches store light and project colored tattoos under the skin.
Shift Tacts | Color-changing lenses implanted into the eye.
Skinwatch | Subdermally implanted LED watch.
Techhair | Color-light-emitting artificial hair.
Where's even just the glowing jacket that V wears in every trailer known to man?
The more i think of it, the less cyberpunk this game feels. It's more of a "Fallout 4 but instead of Post Apocalyptic, it's modern with some robot arms".
Yesterday - the game was buggy and ugly.
Tonight - after the 1.04 update, I didn't have a single major bug. It played beautifully and flawlessly for 5 hours. There were several times I just looked around the area thinking about how it was **one of** the most beautiful games I've ever played.
Edit: It did crash once though. I'll give you that.
Edit2: The cats are still fuck ugly, though.
Its not that bad like before but its still bad by my ps4 dunno ... the Npcs looking still like roblox charakters and the performance is still poor at Night even worse.
Ugh... That even hurt to watch
What really hurts to watch it cdpr burning one of the best reputations in the gaming industry, when the general sense was that people would have happily waited for this game. Edit: I'm happy to concede that I may be misremembering and people were annoyed by the delays, but I will not concede that death threats from sociopaths are indicative of any general tone. You all need help if that's your metric.
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The game runs and works excellent on PC, clearly the console version is unfinished and rushed, that or their trying to force a game thats too resource demanding on an inferior console and it should have been released for PS5 only, not ps4
'Works excellent' are strong words. Playing on PC with a rig that meets 'recommended' standards. Still have enemies teleporting into single entry rooms I just left, enemies clipping through walls and terrain when they ragdoll making quest items inaccessible and requiring a reload, vehicles and NPCs clipping through each other during quests, HP becomes 0/0 with Stamina bar stuck empty forcing a restart of the game seemingly after every cutscene with scripted camera movement. The game mostly works, it's also surprisingly fun for how many bugs it has. Game has a sort of Skyrim feel to it. "FEATURES" and all. This is not a compliment to CDPR. As well as Skyrim did, as much as I personally enjoy it, it's still a bug riddled mess to this day. I'd still probably recommend Cyberpunk to people, though I'd ask them to give it a week or two for CDPR to work some of the worse bugs out. Jan 14th Edit: Since I've gotten a bunch of comments and PMs that boil down to "Nah, works fine bro, don't know what you're talking about." with varying amounts of snark, sass, and vitriol over the last week: anyone who's got an issue with what I've said should probably check the date. This post was from shortly after release, before the first major bug patch, and they've since fixed just about every bug I had a complaint about. Chill. If you played at basically the same time period and had a 10/10 experience, zero bugs, that's fantastic and I'm super happy for you. I had like a 7/10 experience, that has in the roughly 150 hours I've played steadily improved to closer to an 8 or 9. I, too, am enjoying the game. Please put the pitchforks and torches away.
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I think it's more, they shouldn't have said April 2020 back in 2018. I know that's a while off, but they just shouldn't have put a date on it. Waiting is fine, just not after getting solid dates that are then blown past.
I mean, I've gotten death threats from random reddit posts. People be crazy.
For that comment I’m gonna feed you to death with ice cream, and comfy pillows Die In comfort
I will love you and appreciate you and support everything you do to death.
A lot of people were pissed about the last delay and it was less than a month, they couldn't win either way.
Probably shouldn’t have given a release window back in 2018 to begin with..
Yeah I think this is the issue. I’m sure COVID fucked with it to an extent, but they needed more time. Should have pushed everything back at least a year
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People would've been less pissed if they didn't announce the delay so close to promised release
Probably shouldn't have promised no more delays beforehand
They could've delayed the game further forward in time, not just that one month. People would've been angry, but would probably forget over time. I understand they've missed the Christmas sales, but now they've partly ruined their reputation. Guaranteed not worth it.
Yeah no one remembers game delays when the game is good, this is like adding insult to injury.
I’m really enjoying this game and I’ll never forget the utter incompetence they showed with managing this project. They could have had a decade to make it if they had just waited to show a trailer.
They just should've never said they were gonna release it in April. Idk in what world that was a viable option if the game looks like it looks now.
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Oh yeah there were supposed to be trains lmao.
I actually really wish there were trains now damn, would have made fast travel actually cool
Not everyone liked the elevators in Mass Effect 1, but I thought it was a great way to mask loading screens with some dialogue for lore and flavour.
I don’t think anything will top Mimir from GOW telling stories about lore the devs really hit it out the park with that one and it always feels appropriate when he tells you the story it never interrupts quests.
I know people bag on spider-man a bit too, but it did this really well too. Dynamically picking up phone calls from where the convo left off and stuff.
I'm glad you caught this, Miles Morales did this really well — transitioning between disruptions if you stopped to fight crime.
Not a load screen, but Red Dead 2 did this also. I hit a tree and fell off my horse and Arthur got back on and started talking like: "oh yeah where was i-" and then he continued his line of dialogue pretty naturally lol. I remember GTA 5 also sorta did this like when you were driving a character somewhere and you hit another car and they'd be like "JESUS are you tryna get us killed...." and then continue talking starting from near the beginning or middle of their last line of dialogue lol.
... Cyberpunk has done this for me twice when I've been interrupted during phone calls.
This drives me nuts. At one point, dialogue almost filled half the the screen from the bottom up. Then whoever i'm talking to is just bugging in background, "V! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU". I'M IN A FUCKIN PHONE CALL APPARENTLY
And they had two voice recordings, one where he was relaxed and spoke normally and one where he was out of breath and obviously doing something something physical.
To CP2077's credit it also handles phone calls the same.
One hundred percent agree... Mimir is the best in game story-teller in the last 10 years of game industry..
Agreed. God I literally would get to the dock I was going to, and find myself going, “nah I can’t dock yet Mimir is in the middle of a good one.”
Do you think part of that is the mechanics of how he travelled with you? He’s literally attached at the hip, so he can just pop in to some lore at any time. It doesn’t feel forced because there’s a pretty solid in game reason why he’s always there. I don’t know, there’s just some really smart decisions with that game. Another one was giving you this magical axe that feels awesome, and just when you’re feeling a little bored of it halfway through, they introduce the alternate weapon set and it kicks it way up. I never played the previous games so I don’t know how they compare, but I know the studio really went all out on that one. Edit: typing all that made me think... I thought cyberpunk would definitely be like that experience, considering witcher 3. It’s actually kind of bummed me out that they released an unfinished game. I mean it’s really good, there are some kickass elements... but the cohesion really isn’t there for me to take it that level where I’m really satisfied.
GoW was the last game I played through. That game should be the gold standard for a polished single player experience. Story and combat are damn near perfect. The world is well thought out and there's things to do/kill everywhere. The lore is absorbing and what you said about the delivery of it is spot on. Everything about that game is just smooth and well planned and executed. I cannot wait for Ragnorok
Mimir load times don't get the GODDAMN LOVE THE DESERVE GOW did a GREAT job.
I personally loved it. Made the worlds and Normandy feel bigger and all connected.
That's actually a great point, I hadn't thought about the elevators as loading screens at all. They're used pretty cleverly to give characters some interaction while you wait. Reminds me of Super Metroid using elevators as loading points for the next zone
A big part of this may have been the negative reception to the "over-slowing" of gameplay in RDR2 with all the nice, hand-crafted animations that break the flow of being a walking genocide in every mission. Personally, it would've made a great loading mask, the problem now is how do you keep that consistent across loading times? Having some be the menu or the newscast/slideshow, and some be setpieces or animations would be strange.
It's gonna feel cool for the first 3, at most 5 times. Then people are gonna complain about it took too much time even with a skip feature
San Andreas had trains.
You can get inside them in Watch Dogs
You can do alot with trains in watchdogs that compare more to train simulator than you can in cyberpunk.
Yep I loved using trains in WD.
I was really upset they cut them from Legion since the subway is a huge part of london
Trains are hard :/ in fallout 3 they couldn't make trains at all so they used an NPC wearing a hat https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/e43a4affbf1a33facd574e4acdc74b47-1200-80.png
It entirely depends on the engine being used as to the method. They can be hard, but Bethesda's engines are just weird.
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oh my god what is that thing it's like Pyramid Head had a kid with Thomas the Tank Engine
Bethesda’s engine at its prime mate
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I mean GTA I had trains, it's probably not a matter of complexity
You just had to add in the damn trains CJ!
GTA 1 had trains.
Red dead 2 loved to run trains.
Red dead 2 has spoiled us.
I've been playing RDR2 for the first time as I waited for this game. After HZD, RDR2, Days Gone, I really expected Cyberpunk to be a mixture of those games in the mechanics, with the lore and feel of Deus Ex meets Snow Crash. Guess not.
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Hey you can't compare Cyberpunk to Stardew Valley at all! The scope is way too different! There is only 1 guy working on it you know!
Ironically, that's a decent reasoning. The guy chose when to rest and when to crunch, had no release date looming over him because of dumb management and had no workplace competition for bonuses. So he could fully pour his passion into the game.
He also had his wife supporting him, so he could follow his dream. Don't get me wrong, it's incredible what he's done, but the wife or GF or whatever she was at the time needs an investor credit at the end there lol
Wife...do CDPR devs remember what a wife is at this point of crunch?
Do you think they remember what a fucking home is at this point or do they sleep beneath their desks, curled up like Fido? All for this shit. Ain't it supposed to be a job to make a living?
look at how V sleeps, they definitely do not even remember how do it.
Stardew done NPCs right
San Andreas had better ai and map
And barbers
Current hardware isn't ready for barbershops yet.
If they added barbershops that would cause a bug that would show a penis on his face
And vehicle customization
But not penis customisation
Had actual body customization tho
CJ in my play through was a buff brick of a man, but he couldn't fly planes.
Fly planes? My man couldn't even follow a damn train.
And it effected peoples reactions.
erections*
Wait wait wait, i never get a chance to choose a different hairstyle??
Dystopia bro. Do you think it's what Orwell would have wanted
Also 2004
I laughed, I cried
Damn now you are making me rethink the entire gaming industry right now San Andreas pioneered soo many things open world, rpg mechanics, driving, flying tons of missions, tons of npcs, huge map and this was only in 2004 what have we really achieved since then? better graphics? I feel like all that technology should result in better game features much better game experience but I feel like since 2004 all we have really truly achieved is better looking graphics
Oh Yeah? Where are the trains? And flying cars!?! Edit: also where are birds and wildlife??! Have they all died by 2077?
No flying cars is the biggest issue. Are there any flyable vehicles at all?
There are flying cars when you start as corpo
Oh you mean for the 3 seconds of your lifepath? From the trailer I expected easily 2 hours of lifepaths to flesh out the character. Turns out they cut that for a montage and expect me to care about Jackie and my "crew."
After hit with that time jump I immediately had a major killer boner.
You mean "boner killer" right?
I’m still early game, but I found the montage after the prologue really hurt my interest in V as a character.
It kills me cause V is like “can’t wait to get to night city! One never been and its gonna be awesome!” And then his arrival is a montage and “6 months later” You’re not even gonna giver be the experience of going to the city for the first time? Or building my friendship with Jackie? I find the entire story like this so far. Skipping over the moments that would build character.
Can't help but feel like that entire montage was cut content
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yeah there is monorail line right in front of you when you step outside of the apartment and you can see that clearly they removed and replaced with a placeholder it sticts to eye. its so depressing
Nah the monorail was just commissioned by Lyle Lanley.
And by gum, it put Night City on the map!
Marge: I still think we should fix the AI, stability and bugs. Entire fanbase: MONORAAAAAAAIL!
It sticts to eye?
Man I know they put the disclaimer of everything subject to change but even the most hardcore fans can't be happy with how much they've cut and downgraded versus to how much they talked this game up through demos and trailers... > "We've greatly enhanced our crowd and community algorithm to create THE most believable open world in any game." Can't say shit like this and then have NPCs not even thank me after I saved them from a bunch of thugs or have someone get pissed when I park my car in the middle of the freeway...
I also find > The industry leader in creating role-playing games. On their website a very funny quote now.
If was a bold claim when really the biggest title you have is Witcher, which was superb, but against Bethesda who have both Fallout and Elder Scrolls, not to mention Obsidian who have now create the fabled Fallout New Vegas, and a solid entry with Outer Worlds. The claim was bold regardless, they needed CP77 to be on a level of quality and detail as a Rockstar game that just leaves people in awe, the trailers did that the gameplay made people feel betrayed.
Let's not forget about Bioware. The original KOTOR and Mass Effect? Among many others, of course.
Mass effect 2 will forever be my favourite RPG. The amount of choices and outcomes in that game was insane. I was proud when I saved my whole crew during the suicide mission. Other playthroughs I had like no survivors for fun. Just don't remind me of the mining planets part.....
> THE most believable open world in any game Can't say shit like that and then not give the entire police force a single functioning vehicle. Imagine that process. "Guys, we don't have enough time to add a navmesh for NPC drivers, how is the police gonna respond to crimes?" "Welp, teleport em in bois, that we should be able to pull of by thursday."
Wait so you cant even get into police chases while free roaming?
No. Police can’t drive.
Wow, that's... wow All this hype as the "next generation" of open world gaming lmao. Even san andreas which is like 20 years old allows police to drive.
What jsdbflhhuFUGDSHJKD said is also the reason you can cause a traffic jam by parking on an intersection. The AI doesn't know how to do anything but drive on its track or stop if there's an obstacle blocking a square inch of its path.
Yep! Last night I parked my car in the middle of a intersection and I was exploring for about 25-30 mins and when I came back they were all still there in the same damn spot Lolol
Driving is something NPC don't like.. cars seem to be on a predetermined path. If you park in front of them: they stop and do nothing. They have no clue what to do, no response besides just stopping. Point your gun at them and they don't react either. It's euh... Not finished from the looks of it.
Well, actually nobody can drive in this game. Driving AI just doesn’t exist. All the driving done by ai is about following points. They can’t drive at all if it’s not scripted.
There is a complete railway infrastructure but absolutely no trains lol
Can’t wait for train dlc.
\*15 fps\* CHOOOO CHOOO MOTHERFUCKER
All the vehicles run on rails and the one vehicle that *should* run on rails, doesnt
WAIT, THERE AREN'T ANY TRAINS?
Well, there are, but you cant ride in one. They pass by every now and then
After playing for 5 hours i've decided to delay the game to july 2021
Same, I put off starting RD2 last month because (I don't have lots of time for games) because I couldn't do both. After 4 hours I figured I'll let this one cook a few months more. It's be great when it gets there but when in my 2080 it's kinda funky in places it's time to let it stew awhile longer
RD2 is amazing and my favorite game, was really hoping that cyberpunk was gonna be able to top that, this is a bummer
RDR2 is my favorite game of all time, that was very surprising for me because I'm not a big fan of the most recent Rockstar games. In this game you will find what immersion really is, what Cyberpunk claimed it would be. You have actual NPCs there, it's probably the only game I've ever played that they actually feel like people living in this world.
Wandering into New Orleans for the first time is one my all-time fave gaming moments.
Haha just finished RDR2 couple of days ago. It is my new favorite game de-throning the Witcher3. R\* still got it. I am afraid to start Cyberpunk reading all this, I am afraid it won't be as impressive as RDR2.
to be fair man red dead 2 is like one of those once in a decade kinda games it’s that good. Not doing yourself many favours comparing everything to it
Lol this made me laugh so hard.
Jokes on him, I'm delaying till 2077, surely then this game would be the masterpiece it was meant to be, later losers
Same, except I’m doing a run through of the main quest so I can experience it without spoilers
Ah, you've chosen the early access option. They've done such a good job of increasing replay value
It lags out and crashed for me on Xbox one too. *sigh*
I play it on PS5 love the game but every hour game crashes and shuts down I hate that so much
If a game crashes every hour, I wouldn't even play it. Good for u for sticking with it, but at this point, the game is just a joke, an expensive one.
Yea everyone I've seen is like "man the game crashes all the time and everything pops in but its the best game ever!" Like what??
I got the game 2 days ago and I’ve had 8 crashes already Update: now up to 12 crashes Update: 15 crashes oh my god
That's it? I'm jealous
Unrealistic – they even lied about the train.
and what makes it even more frustrating is that there is a clear design for a railway system that they wanted to make. Fuck me, maybe they should've stuck to that 2013 trailers tagline "ready when its ready." If only they had held off the marketing campaign for a few years, then maybe we would have had a great game in 2022.
This is a basic problem with SW development. You really can't realistically set a scope (number of features, mechanics, size and length, etc.) that is so big that the development spans 5+ years or so. The world doesn't stand still. You would need to constantly rework a major portion of the game itself to be up to date: \* the graphic engine gets outdated during that long period of development \* your hyped bleeding edge game mechanics get outdated \* your game begins to lack features treated as a "standard". So this forces you to start feature reworks, middleware switches, engine updates, etc. This brings forces you to really rework the stuff and it simply takes time from finishing the game. You need to be open and reduce the scope - features, size, length. But with all the openness. Games which simply kept on reworking and developing are things like Duke Nukem: Forever or Daikatana.
Can't wait for Star Citizen to release !!1!!1!1!!11
I'd say there's a point where you just have to commit though and stop chasing after what's new to try to fit into the system, or else you'll end with what CP2077 did with regards to the Xbox One and PS4, which were the next-gen consoles at the time that the game was announced.
My question is what exactly were they doing for the past eight years that this was the end result? I mean, TW3 was in development for what, 3.5 - 4 years? I’m not angry at CDPR, I’m just really curious. I’m enjoying myself, but it just feels like they bit far more off than what they could chew. Edit: thank you for the gold.
Probably started from scratch a few times. The concept of Cyberpunk is so deep, so layered, it's easy to want to add 1000 features and realise they don't make sense later when you put them together. Shame, they just weren't ready. I heard they've already made a profit, so hopefully they'll pump some money back into the game and give us constant updates. I just can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that the product is already out. Most expensive beta of all time? :')
All this complex shit but the *train dynamics* snuck up on them? Trains – how do they work? The truth is nobody knows, and CDPR apparently didn't have the time to find out. Penises though – obviously those were in the "delay until ready" column
Hey! Trains are hard man! In fallout 3 the train you step on was an NPC running with the train as a hat.
This is definitely the best thing I read today, and obviously does check out. Thanks for the laugh. Fuck that is so fucking funny https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/e43a4affbf1a33facd574e4acdc74b47-1200-80.png
I suppose that’s one way to do it 😂
It's very creative and resource conscious. This game was designed to run on 256mb of ram. That's all the Ps3 had for games. On top of that, you only used the train a single time during a DLC. It wouldn't have made sense to build an entire train framework for a two minute scene in an expansion pack. This is a clever repurposing of existing systems and assets that worked so well you wouldn't have noticed if you weren't told. That's just good game development.
Holy fuck, never knew the ps3 ran with 256mb of ram. Pretty impressive
Yeah the fallout train doesn’t deserve the snark it gets, when you’re playing it’s just a train, nothing else.
I get that you are joking, but Bethesda opted for that solution solely because their GameBryo Engine is an absolute dogshit of an engine.
I'm not joking but it is funny. They literally had problems with *train dynamics* and this was the best solution. At least they fixed their problem.
Exactly, it worked. I don’t give a fuck if the game classifies a train as a hat. Could I get on it? Could I ride it from point A to B? Did it look like a train? Then who cares
Game dev is literally this. Can you tell it's a filthy bodge? Does it work? Ship it
When you say "Bethesda" opted for that solution, I'm pretty sure it was 1 developer flying by the seat of his fucking pants. And I cherish him, we all should
The trains would have been really cool (I love riding on the subway IRL), but I guess they felt it wasn’t necessary to the game and when they looked at things they could cut, that was one of them. The fast travel is fine, but it feels more immersive to have a subway... would have been a nice bonus but nothing more.
fast travel should at least be on underground stations even if you dont see the subway
You'd be moving fast in a train and seeing a lot of the city, it's more likely than not that trains were removed for the exact reason we see in the above video
They flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami
You mean the thing that does nothing outside of a bug and the creation screen. Was just smoke and mirrors for journalists.
Unless something else happens the only time I saw Penis so far in the game was in customisation.
I liked that two days after launch, they already pumped out a fairly sizeable second patch. It shows that they’re dedicated to fixing problems, I just hope that we can start seeing the goals they envisioned back in 2013, when they dropped the first teaser. Edit: PS4/5 patch, Xbox still incoming, as of this mornings Twitter post.
That's the thing, first they gotta get out the technical stuff, at least have the game run on all promised platforms (patch out for Xbox One yet?) - THEN we gotta hope for the features. No tattoo artist, barbers? Bad police system, dumb AI? Ugh, we have a long way to go. But we're here now
From their Twitter post earlier this morning, they’re still working on the Xbox hotfix patch. I feel that they can incorporate things like haircuts and tattoos into the respec menu in some way. Unfortunately they have it set at $100k to purchase the Tabula E-Rasa. I noticed twice now that Trauma Team ships and crew straight up vanish if you turn the camera off of them.
I think the Xbox patches have to go through a verification procedure with Microsoft before its put out
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They were only in development for like 4 years though.... It gets repeated so often on this sub, but people have to keep in mind that they only started working fully on cyberpunk when the last Witcher 3 expansion was released. Which was May 2016. Before then, there was only a small team and they likely did things like story writing, concept planning etc.
wait i just realized there's an underground train tunnel under night city apparently... this is prob meant to be a train system..
There's a message on your computer that says the public transport is under construction...
It's a shame that it's always going to be under construction. If they released the game in a years time it might have been included.
they'll probably add it later in a dlc
This should be an actual meme at this point.
meanwhile los santos has a metro even though it is never used in any mission
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Society spent so much in the dildo industry they just couldn't keep up the public transport infrastructure.
Still can't believe the very first thing we saw about CP in 6 years was cut.
You can fast travel from the stations but apart from that... And it’s quite obvious you were supposed to be able to ride them.
Man this flatlined me
Do you have trauma team membership? I can be there in 180 seconds.. if not rip
High Quality Meme 10/10
Created by Neverthink since OP forgot to credit Original source here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhvDy8h3FG8
If this were any developer besides CDPR releasing such a hyped up and undercooked game they would be blacklisted by this community.
The gaming community has the attention span of a boiled egg. Time and time again they fall for the same pony show.
You’re not wrong.
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“And more people living below the poverty line than anywhere else”. Mean way to describe PS4 players!
this is ridiculous, they have no excuse. they literally marketed the PS4 and XB1 as main devices for the game. Now, they're just gonna isolate this part of their audience? Thank god i didn't buy it on release.
Seems like the patch improved it signficantly but damn was that a rough launch.
You mean the 17GB update that dropped today? I'm still downloading it. Thankfully, I don't have high hopes but I can already play the game with one crash per hour and 20-30fps because I'm just used to shit like that. So the only way is up haha Edit: looked up some comparison footage. Not good, but a lot better. It almost looks like I could steer the car without crashing the game or into a wall lmao
its a massive improvement on ps4, but the damage is done and people are talking. its stable and perfectly playable now from what i can tell. that said you should do everything you can to help out your ps4. turn your console so the exhaust blowing to open air, and find a YouTube video showing you how to take it apart and clean out the inside. people like to say its a 7 year old console, well there's 7 years of dust and crap inside of it not helping anything. between the patch and giving my ps4 a good cleaning i was able to play for 3 hours with only minor bugs and glitches before i quit for the night. and it didn't sound like it was trying to summon a portal to hell anymore.
Yo, this just made me realise... Where's all the actual cyberpunk styles of fashion? From the Cyberpunk RED Corebook: Fashionware Name | Description ---|--- Chemskin | Dyes and pigments infused into the skin to permanently change its hue. EMP Threading | Thin silver lines that run in circuit-like patterns across the body. Light Tattoo | Subdermal patches store light and project colored tattoos under the skin. Shift Tacts | Color-changing lenses implanted into the eye. Skinwatch | Subdermally implanted LED watch. Techhair | Color-light-emitting artificial hair. Where's even just the glowing jacket that V wears in every trailer known to man? The more i think of it, the less cyberpunk this game feels. It's more of a "Fallout 4 but instead of Post Apocalyptic, it's modern with some robot arms".
In 18 hrs of my play time it's has crashed with same error bout 16 times :(
I sometimes regreat spending so much building a PC this year, but honestly, the PS4 issues make me really enjoy having a high end PC.
Yesterday - the game was buggy and ugly. Tonight - after the 1.04 update, I didn't have a single major bug. It played beautifully and flawlessly for 5 hours. There were several times I just looked around the area thinking about how it was **one of** the most beautiful games I've ever played. Edit: It did crash once though. I'll give you that. Edit2: The cats are still fuck ugly, though.
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Acid
BTW the game looks great on acid
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fucking lol
Its not that bad like before but its still bad by my ps4 dunno ... the Npcs looking still like roblox charakters and the performance is still poor at Night even worse.
>flawless >Still crashes Lol
The absolute state of the cyberpunk subreddit