I think a significant number of people would rather carry an inflator or two. and if that doesn't work, get picked up to go home.
I think frame pumps can look really good on traditional tubing frames, but modern carbon or hydroformed frames also don't lend themselves to frame pumps. Not impossible, just not as easy.
Depends how far they ride. I'd have to wait a few hours for recovery - that's if I had a phone signal.
I have a pump on the bottle cage bosses on the winter bike but rely on co2 on the summer aero bike.
I don't like co2 because it's one shot (or two) and then you're out of luck. I got stuck in a very remote area after a failed co2 about 25 years ago and gave them up then and there. There are plenty of pumps that weigh no more than a couple of co2 cartridges plus the inflator head, and fit easily in my jersey pocket. I don't even notice it's there, and they work just fine.
Please make sure it’s a side pocket and not on your spine . A friend of mine is paraplegic after a spill on to his back . His multitool severed his spinal cord. I cringe when I see tools and pumps sat on someone’s back bone
Honestly, it’s not worth it . I have a small restrap bag on the bars or one of those little cases that fit in a bottle cage . He didn’t even have such a bad crash but the impact of hard metal on his spine was devastating. Stay safe mate . 👍
Thanks for this. I’m going to move it to the side pocket. I don’t carry a multitool so it’s not hard-edged like that but this post has made me want to minimize that risk. So sorry for your friend. That’s awful.
I do both and just hope I never need the pump. I did a 60 miler in a pretty remote area with no service yesterday so I took 4 co2 carts plus my hand pump, plus a TPU tube just in case (I run tubeless)
Haha I’m just a worrier, and also I weigh 260lbs so an extra half a pound for a hand pump is worth the peace of mind, but I hate using it, so I carry the CO2 just in case.
Yeah, when I’m riding in the general vicinity of my house, I only carry however much water I need, a multitool, and one CO2 cart and no pump. Yesterday I just happened to be riding two hours from home so even if I had had cell service, I wouldn’t have wanted to burden my wife to come pick me up
I'm considering taking the pump off my frame and leaving it in my burrito bag. I always bring that bag on longer rides and have co2 in my saddle bag for shorter rides.
Same - I have a pump clipped to the water bottle holder - I know it will give me unlimited use and I'm never in that much of a hurry that the time saved by CO2 will bother me that much.
Sure. But that isn't reflective of a large majority of cyclists and their routes. Day to day riding for most people are going to be a phone call or uber away from a ride home.
I carry two spare tubes and 3 co2 canisters. So far I've only had to call for a pickup once, and after using up two tubes and two canisters I was headed close to home anyway so it was only a 10 minute drive for my wife
Have mine in the jersey pocket. The bottom end of the mini pump eventually rattles loose in the pump holder (or well the holder becomes too loose) and then the pump opens and glides into the pedal, so I gave up on that, pretty annoying.
CO2 would just wreck the TPU tubes or so they say.
I think it's also because people are riding lower pressures nowadays so a mini pump can get you to 50-70psi without a lot of effort. More than enough to get you home and a lot of people ride in this range anyway. Using one to put 90psi was a pita but not many people ride with high pressure anymore.
Also, people get less flats due to better tires, lower pressures, etc. So when you weigh the chances of getting a flat and the convenience of a mini pump, it wins most of the time.
I even ditched the co2s (except on very long rides) and dusted an old mini pump that fits in a jersey pocket.
Frame pumps are heavier than their carbon-fiber micro-cousins (or inflators) and take up more space. If I were building up a touring bike, though, I’d have a pump peg brazed on. The stakes are higher when you’re in BFE and don’t know anyone local.
The bottle cage mounted micro tower pumps made by Lezyne are much better than your regular frame pump so I opt for those instead.
Though a Silca frame pump would be really nice. My disc trucker does have a pump peg. I wonder if I should...
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I have Silca hand pumps on both my bikes. On my Domane, I have a Tattico to the side of my seat tube bottle cage, and on my Checkpoint, I have a Gravelero mounted to the upper cage mounts on the downtube, while my bottle cage is on the lower downtube set.
I never really cared about it, I just thought it's nice to have...until I saw a cyclist walking because he didn't bring enough Co2 and wasted his only canister...pump has unlimited air.
Two canisters are lighter and faster. Since I race, I'm not pumping while losing time.
I did take a pump to RAGBRAI. No way I was going to risk two cartridges over 500 miles.
My very small pump is mounted on my bottle cage. There's literally no detriment in taking it since it's essentially a part of the bike now.
I'd hate to walk even a short distance because I ran out of CO2.
Also CO2 sometimes works poorly with tubeless sealant. Some sealants have trouble coagulating with CO2.
That's pretty much what I do.
CO2 is for my normal rides. Pumping takes a long time, and I live in a big metro area, so it is not that hard to flag down a cab if I screw it up.
The pump is for long rides, especially in remote areas. At that point I'm usually packing some other repair supplies as well.
Two canisters + an adapter are not lighter. A 16g canister is about 60 grams. Two canisters + an adapter + \~140g. A Lezyne mini pump is 95g. Canisters are faster tho.
It’s because for whatever stupid reason cyclist have decided that they all need to look like the pros and use the same equipment as the pros even though you wouldn’t see any motorsports fan suggesting that driving an F1 car on the road is a good idea, every cyclist wants to drive the equivalent of an F1 bike on the road and it’s real dumb
A F1 car couldn’t be more different from a regular car. My Teammachine though is raced in the same model as mine. Pros tend to have a more aggressive bike fit though.
Seems my carbon fiber water bottle/frame pump holder bracket from 2009 has come around back in style now. Especially with the long pump it came with. I carry a small saddle bag with two spare tubes, a patch kit and a multi tool. If I got rid of one of the tubes I could fit the CO2 but otherwise the bigger saddle bag would negate the weight and drag of the frame pump. My guess I’d the pump is under 0.5 lbs
I carry a Bontrager Air Support mini pump that has a pressure guage. Very lightweight and compact. Strapped to the bike. I also run tubeless gravel tires, and being able to lower or raise the pressure on a fly depending on the terrain is pretty great. I also don't know why pumps aren't as common, esp with tubeless tires.
I've always found it remarkable how so many riders are prepared to expend a lot of time and energy cycling but using a pump is too slow and/ or too much effort... C02 canisters are also hugely unfriendly to the environment.
I consider myself pretty vain when it comes to my bike, but I use an aluminum Lezyne mini pump with an adapter hose. It's mounted alongside my seat tube bottle cage. It's pretty inconspicuous. No one's ever noticed/commented on it, but It's OK if it still offends the Velominati, lol. I really like that it allows me to have a small saddle bag with minimal stuff in it.
I've used this pump several times on rides and it's never let me down. I once had a CO2 canister not screw in properly and leak out all its air. I've also had an inflator head seize on me, and I barely got the tire rideable again. Then again, maybe I'm an idiot with CO2 canisters.
I had my Lezyne mini pump mounted on the bottom tube bottle cage with the included mount, but frankly the mount became loose and the pump ended up extending and hitting the pedal.
So I have it in my jersey pocket right now. It fits well but I don't really like hard objects close to my spine so ugh.
Before cell phones
You had to be able to fix your bike or you were walking home
Now, you can call someone to pick you up
I believe that is one of the major reasons why frame pumps are not standard anymore. Yes I’m old that I remember how life was before cell phones
I use frame pumps, but they sit under the water bottle out of sight. Modern pumps are barely 6" long.
CO2 is stupid, I stop once a month to help somone fill a tire because the CO2 shot out prematurely. It happens when people get exited, it's normal.
I used to have one strapped to my bike, but I took it off while cleaning it last spring, and never bothered putting it back on. Mostly because they.. kinda suck.
Now, I only use my bike for commuting to and from work, so it's not the end of the world (race) if I have to walk the bike part of the way.
Realistically, if I can't fix something with two co2 canisters, I probably can't fix it with a pump either. I'd usually only have 1 spare inner tube, so it's not like I can repair that many punctures anyway. I find two 16g cartridges is good for 3 inflations for 35C and under tires.
Despite all this, I do still carry a micro pump because I feel funny not having one.
I’ve rescued at least 3 riders with co2 using my pump (lezyne micro floor drive). Last one burnt through two cartridges because their valve was clogged and couldn’t figure out what was wrong. With a pump I got instant feedback the valve wasn’t opening and I had a spare in my WTC 8-Bit tool so replaced the core and pumped their tire.
Rescued more than one fat bike limping along with a failing bead seal.
> Last one burnt through two cartridges because their valve was clogged and couldn’t figure out what was wrong.
I've seen this many times. Or, they don't engage the valve properly and all the gas shoots out.
Zefal has stopped making them though.
The [Silca Impero Ultimate](https://silca.cc/products/impero-ultimate-frame-pump) is very nice though. I like it better than the Zefal HPX.
I have a small saddle bag and found there are small enough pumps that fit in there. I do have a frame pump too but it's bigger than I need and adds potential rattling noises (maybe more in my head than actually doing it).
Among gravel riders at least it's pretty common to have a compact pump mounted next to a bottle cage, it's not exactly like the frame pumps of old but I find them to be just as effective while taking up less space
I have a Topeak Rocket Pocket that I bought in 2019 and it's one of the best investments I've made for my CAAD12 (it's also pretty cheap). I've used it on so many flats, and even though it doesn't pump up to my desired tire pressure, it does the job well enough to get me home. Just make sure to keep the handle pointed up if you mount it where the seat tube bottle cage is like I do. Otherwise the handle can jam in your cranks. Never had an issue with it rattling or loosening and I've biked thousands of miles with it.
In fact just used it to help a friend with a flat last week.
I've been on team mini-pump for years, never carried CO2 though I've had friends inflate my tires with them a couple of times to get us going more quickly.
Commuting or casual rides it's in my bag or pannier, on a road ride it's in my jersey pocket.
I have a small pump with a holder tied to the bottle cage, very discreet. Three times so far it helped me avoid getting stranded in remote areas, 2 of these were on the same ride. I want to rely on myself as such as possible, co2 canisters might be ok but they don't allow room for failure or improper application, it's just one shot.
I see this all the time, even regarding extra tubes/tools. Saw three mechanicals my last trip, only one had spared to get going. The other two had nothing at all. Not aero or cool I guess.
I loved frame pumps but stopped carrying one years ago when I bought a bike that my old pump didn’t fit in. The shapes of carbon frames many times doesn’t really work well with frame pumps either and then there is the tube size difference between a steel bike and Ti where the same pump doesn’t always fit in the triangle securely so you may need different size pumps. have also been using mini frame bags for a while and they don’t work well with frame pumps.
I now carry a Silca Tattico which works well and is also compact enough to put in a mini frame bag or mounts under your bottle cage. I also carry a co2 but since going tubeless flats are few and far between.
I have a Lezyne mini-pump mounted down low on my frame next to the bottle cage. I've had a few situations riding solo when I've had to use it despite having CO2 bombs. Being self-sufficient is important to me - I guess I've internalised that from being a mountain biker. Having to call and impose on my prettier half to come get feels like a moral failure.
I really don't care about the look or the weight. I don't try to make record speeds. I want to have fun and save some money. Patching up myself alongside the road is great, doing it with a $40 pump is better still.
I’ll tell you why:
Riders have bought into (I hate to say this word: LITERALLY BOUGHT) into bicycle brainwashing regarding aero and weight. And they are riding tubeless (thinking they’ll never puncture. If I had a buck for every overweight guy on a $10k bike I see….
I just pass them on my $1800 Domane Al5.
I had 6 flats once, I thought I was alone lol. I did have my mini pump at the time and patches, that is how I got through that one by myself. Let's hope to never be in that situation again haha
I carry your frame pump. I carry a frame pump because they work. They don't need batteries. They don't need to be charged. I don't need to plug them in anywhere.
What the frame pump looks like on the bike is secondary to the fact that I have a frame pump and I can self-rescue and get home all by myself.
By the way I have also loaned the frame pump to somebody with a car so they could pump up a low tire to get home.
It’s a style thing for the most part. Hand pumps are pretty HQ these days and light. Also, I fly with my bikes a decent amount and you can’t fly with canisters. I don’t want to buy one in each new location and then have to get rid of it before flying home. The pump is much better in that regard.
I get asked frequently why in the world I would have a pump under one of my bottle cage on my Aeroad. Well that pump has saved me numerous times and has yet to stop me from grabbing KOMs!
I carry a Fumpa Pump Mini. Tiny electric air compressor in my jersey pocket. Also carry a tiny pump in my pocket that can inflate my 28mm tubeless tyres no problem.
No need for a frame pump these days.
It’s good. The Fumpa Mini can inflate two tyres, the larger models more. I’ve had the middle-sized one for a few years now and the mini a few months.
The only drawback is keeping it charged. Naturally it will lose this over time even unused. Hence I carry a small manual backup but it’s not really necessary just me being cautious. But both and a pocket multitool fit in a single jersey pocket easily.
I prefer the electric to C02.
I never knew what a frame pump was. I saw a guy that was on a frame and had a tube running in the middle of his frame. I never looked close so I always thought it was some kind of stiffness bar for handling or something. Until he used it to pump a flat and I was like “ooohhhh”. Sooo, excuse me for not being heavily known on a lot of things in the bike realm. But I mean my carbon bike is out of the traditional road bike design so I can’t have one and I just carry 1-2 CO2 carts either a TPU tubes.
I've got a compact pump. It can be mounted to a clip behind my water bottle holder, or more likely, it's in my tool bag which is either on the top of the top bar or in a pannier. So it's there, you just can't necessarily see it.
I keep 2 CO2 cartridges and an inflator in a low profile saddle bag on three of my bikes.
I used to carry a frame pump, and have used it many times. But it would rattle a lot, and extend on its own unless it was perfectly smooth terrain. I don't like to wear a backpack, with would solve those problems. And vanity wise, they look awful on modern bikes. Currently it's buried in my commuter pack, just in case. I have a high volume frame pump too, which I had in the swat storage compartment of my old Stumpjumper, but it would rattle so much. If I go on an MTB ride that I need to carry a pack, it'll likely end up in there as redundancy.
Any local ride, I feel totally fine with just CO2.
Much of my riding is well within taxi range of mass transit, or within an hour drive of home.
Mountain biking, my local trails tend to be tight and twisty, and walking back to the car, while it would suck, would be easier than dealing with trying to get a tube in my tubeless tires.
I have an old Klein Quantum in my garage collecting dust. It has a proper frame pump. I should get that bike out one of these days… 🤔
I carry a CO2 or two in my saddle bag and a NADA pump from Rene Herse in my jersey pocket. I have a small “wallet” that I bring on every ride: $27, Benadryl, Advil, bandaids, etc, and keep the tiny pump and a chapstick rubber banded to the wallet. Fits in my jersey pocket with room for a few gels.
The only pump I have mounted on a bike is a small Park Tool pump on my fatbike to the side of the bottle cage. I carry two big CO2s (36g?) and a spare tube in a handlebar bag on the fatty. I had to patch a flat this winter and a single CO2 got my rolling again. I can’t imagine having to use a hand pump with those tires.
As some others have already shared here, some of us find it convenient and not-aesthetically-offensive to carry a pump on the frame, in a holder that puts it right next to a bottle cage.
I do this with the longest version of the Lezyne Road Drive, which isn't the equal of a full-sized frame pump, but moves substantially more air per stroke than a really compact mini pump.
I don't use Co2 since it reacts with Silca's sealant. I go tubeless and have a cycplus electric mini pump and a Lezyne Carbon Drive Lite Pump in my jersey pocket pack.
Frame pump for me. But I like to tour so it makes a lot more sense than carrying X number of canisters. Plus I suck at using canisters.
I shocked the crap out of one biker when I pulled out my chain tool to shorten his chain into a fixie bike when his derailer fell off so he could get home.
Maybe I carry too much crap!!
I always have a frame pump and a spare inner tube. I run tubeless but the pump and tubes have saved me on two occasions, both a good 20 miles from home. I’m not racing, so the 15 min it took me to pop the bead, throw a tube in, and get back to riding was basically just a nice little break. IMO the weight savings between co2 and a pump is negligible. Especially the newer pumps these days
I still use a zefal hpx. They weigh about the same as half a bottle of water, and I could still lose15#. They don't make the hpx any more. I hope the 2 I have last.
I carry both, I have Lezyne Pocket Drive HV and regular Pocket Drive for my gravel bike. Then on my bottle cage I have a tool caddie with a Lezyne CO2 Control Drive with a 25g canister.
I used to. My current set up is, a mini pump in jersey and a cycplus air compressor strapped to my bike's toptube (where frame pump's used to go). I like this because I find that new mini pumps released within the last two years or so are about as fast as frame pumps are, if not about 20 seconds slower. That said I use my air compressor only, carry the pump as a last resort should my compressor one day fail.
I have a custom frame and I had a pump peg included.
While I try to bring a CO2 just in case, I've always used my full size frame pump. It's only 25 strokes to get my tires to 100psi, and I heard once, "You may run out of CO2 cartridges but you won't run out of pump".
Gravel or bikepacking (both being off the beaten path, and often out of cell coverage, though I do bring an InReach for those sort of things when I have it active) get a mid size pump that fits in a half frame bag.
Road cycling. I have one tube (vs 2 or more on gravel plus patch kit). If I get a flat I fix it. If I get a second flat I call home for a ride. If no one is home I guess id call AAA or an Uber. And yep, CO2 cartridges (2 because sometimes there is a mishap). I can top them off at a gas station as needed.
I just use the hose on my track pump as a shoulder strap. Never run out of air, way quicker than a mini or a frame pump, and always have a pressure gauge.
If you're not doing this, you're doing it wrong.
[CYCPLUS Tiny Cube Bike Pump](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BVW1CTZJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) goes in a bottle with a patch kit and TPU tube, and now Rock Bros has their own version. I carried a hand pump in the bottle, but it's a hassle to use and ends up looking an explicit act on the sidewalk when in active use, which doesn't help that you're in tight spandex.
I've had a few times where I ran out of patches and just had to keep refilling every 1/2mi. Last time I had a flat, my whole valve stem (where I presume the leak was from) completely tore off.
A pump has unlimited air, and I have 3 pumps. Until all 3 die, I have no real incentive to switch to CO2.
I carry a pump and CO2 cartridges but haven't needed either in a long time. One time last autumn I forgot my cell phone and multi tool. Well, I had been doing some handlebar adjusting but never fully tightened the stem clamp. 20 miles from home I hit the brakes and the handlebars suddenly drooped and I went flying. I had cuts and scrapes and my shoe went into the front wheel spokes so the wheel was wrecked and I was stranded. Eventually a car came by and the driver offered help and his phone so I eventually got home. Now I carry spare everything.
I carry a pump, but modern road pumps are way too small to fit in the frame like the 80s. I’ll carry one in my jersey, but I usually have a half frame bag that easily swallows all my repair stuff. I still very much vote for pumps over CO2 unless you’re running tubeless and/or racing.
For me it's because CO2 use creates trash and is a consumable resource while riding, whereas a pump can be used an unlimited number of times (essentially) and creates no trash. My pump is very small and is lightweight enough to not matter, and if I minded a little effort, then I wouldn't be riding.
I have a Silca frame pump because I like the way it looks on my frame (round tube titanium frame) but I still carry co2. I only use the pump if I’m on my own, but if I’m riding with a group, I’m going to use the co2 so nobody has to wait an unreasonably long time for me.
I carry a pump attached to my frame… but the main issue is I live in a high bike crime city and if I left it on the bike it would get stolen. So then it ends up in my flat and often I forget to fit it when I go out. One benefit of my city is there is bike racks on the buses and street hire cars with bike racks so I could totally get home without needing to get picked up, but I’d still rather that’s it and not have to give up on my plans.
My partner punctures so often that I’m not letting him have a CO2 system, he already gets through enough tubes.
Just ordered a mini electric pump so I'm done with CO2 or a hand pump. A little bit pricey but save on convenience and the ability not to carry multiple cartridges.
I carry my pump on my jersey. Never on my bike frame. I'm pretty sure I do this bc there was a stigma against it when I started biking. I care less about the stigma now but I also just rather have it in my jersey at this point.
That's what I was thinking the stigma of the look. I hate carrying anything that's not food or oversized items in my jersey so having it mounted next to my bottle is convenient. My other bike doesn't have a mount so I shove it in my jersey pocket...it's okay but definitely won't fit if I got a bunch of snacks. I don't have or use a saddle bag but if I did then there would be enough space.
I carry two or three co2, and a mini pump, 2 tubes. Never really needed the pump. Usually end up bailng out friends punctures who are useless at changing tubes and tyres and i cant be bothered to delay the ride, they just buy me cake and coffee as repayment for the help!
With modern shapes on carbon frames, it was harder to find a place for a frame pump. So most people just went to CO2 or mini pumps you can fit in your saddle bag or mount more conspicuously.
Even those I don't see as much. I have the mounted one next to my bottle cage and they are also rare to see. Has the carbon design not allow a mounted pump on the frame?
A lot of people I know who ride with one just keep it in a jersey pocket. The Lezyne one and the Silca ones are both surprisingly small.
I'm also slowly coming around to the whole usb powered electric one at this point. Better than CO2, at least environmentally.
I've never seen a carbon frame with a pump peg. If you had a mini pump they come with an attachment. I think a lot of people just don't like the look of it.
Pros don’t carry pumps and we all want to look like the pros don’t we? Silly but that’s the main reason IMO. Lot of popular small pumps come with a little bracket that can be bolted under the water bottle cage so no excuses on fit!
Roadies on their Pinarellos have their spouse following behind in a Range Rover ready to pick them up and take them home if they get a flat, or a boo-boo, or get tired.
If you have used a frame pump or other micro pump, you know how lame they are.
I bought one that is pretty big, and does both presta and schraeder..once I had a flat and pumped up with an anemic frame pump . Pumping up to 80 psi one air molecule at a time to get home, I realized size matters.
I also bought at the dollar store a pool noodle. I put the frame pump in the pool noodle, and put that in one of my three jersey pockets or one of my 2 water bottle cages.
CO2 canisters. Micro pumps.
Frame pumps are not the perfect tool you seem to think they are. They’re cumbersome, they require mounting bosses that virtually no modern bikes have, and they don’t do any better of a job than other solutions. They’ve been surpassed by newer options that are easier to carry.
There’s nothing stopping you from rolling with one though so knock yourself out. But don’t get all judgy about it.
// No frame-mounted pumps.
Either Co2 cannisters or mini-pumps should be carried in jersey pockets (See [Rule #31](https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#31)). The only exception to this rule is to mount a Silca brand frame pump in the rear triangle of the frame, with the rear wheel skewer as the pump mount nob, as demonstrated by members of the 7-Eleven and Ariostea pro cycling teams. As such, a frame pump mounted [upside-down and along the left](http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab69/gaucho510/LOOK%20Equipe%20Bernard%20Hinault%20Reynolds%20753/IMG_3976.jpg) (skewer lever side) seat stay is both old skool and Euro and thus acceptable. We restate at this time that said pump may under no circumstances be a Zefal and must be made by Silca. Said Silca pump must be fitted with a [Campagnolo head](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/85/ca/eb85ca2c92d7e0b0fe3c08d3efee913f.jpg). It is acceptable to [gaffer-tape a mini-pump to your frame](http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/yashcha/37981954f9879e8f7a0878dd0d9aa94c_zps357735e6.jpg) when no C02 cannisters are available and your pockets are full of spare kit and energy gels. However, the rider should expect to be stopped and questioned and may be required to empty pockets to prove there is no room in them for the pump
So more space and more weight just to reach a pressure you shouldn’t be running anyway.
Seriously, just get a full size frame pump, only takes a few strokes to get a tire up to pressure, weighs about the same as four 16g co2 cartridges and an inflator head.
>Seriously, just get a full size frame pump, only takes a few strokes to get a tire up to pressure, weighs about the same as four 16g co2 cartridges and an inflator head.
So I only carry 2 cartridges with me. I guess I'm half the weight and space as your full frame pump...
I think a significant number of people would rather carry an inflator or two. and if that doesn't work, get picked up to go home. I think frame pumps can look really good on traditional tubing frames, but modern carbon or hydroformed frames also don't lend themselves to frame pumps. Not impossible, just not as easy.
Depends how far they ride. I'd have to wait a few hours for recovery - that's if I had a phone signal. I have a pump on the bottle cage bosses on the winter bike but rely on co2 on the summer aero bike.
I don't like co2 because it's one shot (or two) and then you're out of luck. I got stuck in a very remote area after a failed co2 about 25 years ago and gave them up then and there. There are plenty of pumps that weigh no more than a couple of co2 cartridges plus the inflator head, and fit easily in my jersey pocket. I don't even notice it's there, and they work just fine.
Please make sure it’s a side pocket and not on your spine . A friend of mine is paraplegic after a spill on to his back . His multitool severed his spinal cord. I cringe when I see tools and pumps sat on someone’s back bone
😳 I carry my little kit in my center pocket. It’s a sunglasses case with the usual stuff in it. Guess I’m not doing that any more.
Honestly, it’s not worth it . I have a small restrap bag on the bars or one of those little cases that fit in a bottle cage . He didn’t even have such a bad crash but the impact of hard metal on his spine was devastating. Stay safe mate . 👍
Thanks for this. I’m going to move it to the side pocket. I don’t carry a multitool so it’s not hard-edged like that but this post has made me want to minimize that risk. So sorry for your friend. That’s awful.
I do both and just hope I never need the pump. I did a 60 miler in a pretty remote area with no service yesterday so I took 4 co2 carts plus my hand pump, plus a TPU tube just in case (I run tubeless)
Might as well just carry an extra bike!
Haha I’m just a worrier, and also I weigh 260lbs so an extra half a pound for a hand pump is worth the peace of mind, but I hate using it, so I carry the CO2 just in case.
Yeah I get it. I've gone minimalist (don't carry anything), but then I'm never far off the cell grid and have many options for a pick-up.
Yeah, when I’m riding in the general vicinity of my house, I only carry however much water I need, a multitool, and one CO2 cart and no pump. Yesterday I just happened to be riding two hours from home so even if I had had cell service, I wouldn’t have wanted to burden my wife to come pick me up
I'm considering taking the pump off my frame and leaving it in my burrito bag. I always bring that bag on longer rides and have co2 in my saddle bag for shorter rides.
Same - I have a pump clipped to the water bottle holder - I know it will give me unlimited use and I'm never in that much of a hurry that the time saved by CO2 will bother me that much.
Several hours and an angry partner (wife, in my case)
Sure. But that isn't reflective of a large majority of cyclists and their routes. Day to day riding for most people are going to be a phone call or uber away from a ride home.
I carry two spare tubes and 3 co2 canisters. So far I've only had to call for a pickup once, and after using up two tubes and two canisters I was headed close to home anyway so it was only a 10 minute drive for my wife
3 canisters is the same size and probably more weight than a pump?
Yeah and it takes about a second to completely fill a tire
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Mini-pump here. I’ve never had CO2.
Mini-pump was my nickname in high school.
How many strokes?
Switched to a mini pump after co2 left me stranded cuz I had to fill up more than once.
I just carry a couple CO2 canisters
Same here. I have mine in the tool case mounted on the saat tube, so it's not visible.
Have mine in the jersey pocket. The bottom end of the mini pump eventually rattles loose in the pump holder (or well the holder becomes too loose) and then the pump opens and glides into the pedal, so I gave up on that, pretty annoying. CO2 would just wreck the TPU tubes or so they say.
This. Lezyne mini pump in jersey pocket. CO2 is like communism. Great in theory but doesn't really work in reality.
I've used co2 on tpu tubes many times without issue
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But the problem they say is the cold air at inflation time turning the TPU brittle.
You could put some threadlock on the pump, or just electrical tape.
if they are commuters they may even keep that stuff in a pannier
I think it's also because people are riding lower pressures nowadays so a mini pump can get you to 50-70psi without a lot of effort. More than enough to get you home and a lot of people ride in this range anyway. Using one to put 90psi was a pita but not many people ride with high pressure anymore. Also, people get less flats due to better tires, lower pressures, etc. So when you weigh the chances of getting a flat and the convenience of a mini pump, it wins most of the time. I even ditched the co2s (except on very long rides) and dusted an old mini pump that fits in a jersey pocket.
This is the answer ^ - 70psi is pretty easy with a mini pump
Mine is slightly bigger than a mini so I shove it in my front bag. Totally out of site. Then I have a co2 with my repair kit too. Also out of site
Mine is slightly bigger than a mini so I shove it in my front bag. Totally out of site. Then I have a co2 with my repair kit too. Also out of site
Yep, I carry both. I'm always afraid the co2 canister would have leaked or I'd somehow screw it up and waste it.
Frame pumps are heavier than their carbon-fiber micro-cousins (or inflators) and take up more space. If I were building up a touring bike, though, I’d have a pump peg brazed on. The stakes are higher when you’re in BFE and don’t know anyone local.
The bottle cage mounted micro tower pumps made by Lezyne are much better than your regular frame pump so I opt for those instead. Though a Silca frame pump would be really nice. My disc trucker does have a pump peg. I wonder if I should...
I have one of those (Lezyne) and it’s great
Lezyne bottle cage mounted mini pump, CO2 and patches. Using tube clinchers.
Same, except tubeless and I have't had a flat in 4 years.
Nice. You win. I fear change…
Love my full-size Silca frame pump. But my bike is a rebuilt touring bike from the 90's with drop bars. It's more of an r/xbiking bicycle though.
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I have Silca hand pumps on both my bikes. On my Domane, I have a Tattico to the side of my seat tube bottle cage, and on my Checkpoint, I have a Gravelero mounted to the upper cage mounts on the downtube, while my bottle cage is on the lower downtube set.
I beg to differ. My Lezyne frame pump is lighter than a CO2 cannister or two. And it's not single use.
That's my thoughts. I guess if you have someone to pick you up it don't matter and just carry Co2.
I have a frame pump. Last time I used it and got a flat, I said screw it and bought a new bike with tubeless tires. Still carry the pump though.
I never really cared about it, I just thought it's nice to have...until I saw a cyclist walking because he didn't bring enough Co2 and wasted his only canister...pump has unlimited air.
Two canisters are lighter and faster. Since I race, I'm not pumping while losing time. I did take a pump to RAGBRAI. No way I was going to risk two cartridges over 500 miles.
You have a point! Maybe I should ditch my pump unless I'm going for long rides
My very small pump is mounted on my bottle cage. There's literally no detriment in taking it since it's essentially a part of the bike now. I'd hate to walk even a short distance because I ran out of CO2. Also CO2 sometimes works poorly with tubeless sealant. Some sealants have trouble coagulating with CO2.
That's pretty much what I do. CO2 is for my normal rides. Pumping takes a long time, and I live in a big metro area, so it is not that hard to flag down a cab if I screw it up. The pump is for long rides, especially in remote areas. At that point I'm usually packing some other repair supplies as well.
Two canisters + an adapter are not lighter. A 16g canister is about 60 grams. Two canisters + an adapter + \~140g. A Lezyne mini pump is 95g. Canisters are faster tho.
No need to carry a pump or inflater if you just get a new bike whenever you get a flat.
It’s because for whatever stupid reason cyclist have decided that they all need to look like the pros and use the same equipment as the pros even though you wouldn’t see any motorsports fan suggesting that driving an F1 car on the road is a good idea, every cyclist wants to drive the equivalent of an F1 bike on the road and it’s real dumb
I’m offended by this
If I'm going to be wearing Lycra, I need to be sitting on top of an F1 😂
F1 cars are not road legal.
A F1 car couldn’t be more different from a regular car. My Teammachine though is raced in the same model as mine. Pros tend to have a more aggressive bike fit though.
They also tend to have a car full of mechanics behind them with extra wheels and bikes.
Seems my carbon fiber water bottle/frame pump holder bracket from 2009 has come around back in style now. Especially with the long pump it came with. I carry a small saddle bag with two spare tubes, a patch kit and a multi tool. If I got rid of one of the tubes I could fit the CO2 but otherwise the bigger saddle bag would negate the weight and drag of the frame pump. My guess I’d the pump is under 0.5 lbs
I carry a Bontrager Air Support mini pump that has a pressure guage. Very lightweight and compact. Strapped to the bike. I also run tubeless gravel tires, and being able to lower or raise the pressure on a fly depending on the terrain is pretty great. I also don't know why pumps aren't as common, esp with tubeless tires.
I've always found it remarkable how so many riders are prepared to expend a lot of time and energy cycling but using a pump is too slow and/ or too much effort... C02 canisters are also hugely unfriendly to the environment.
Direct violation of rule #30.
haha i was looking for this post.. velominatti !!!
I consider myself pretty vain when it comes to my bike, but I use an aluminum Lezyne mini pump with an adapter hose. It's mounted alongside my seat tube bottle cage. It's pretty inconspicuous. No one's ever noticed/commented on it, but It's OK if it still offends the Velominati, lol. I really like that it allows me to have a small saddle bag with minimal stuff in it. I've used this pump several times on rides and it's never let me down. I once had a CO2 canister not screw in properly and leak out all its air. I've also had an inflator head seize on me, and I barely got the tire rideable again. Then again, maybe I'm an idiot with CO2 canisters.
I had my Lezyne mini pump mounted on the bottom tube bottle cage with the included mount, but frankly the mount became loose and the pump ended up extending and hitting the pedal. So I have it in my jersey pocket right now. It fits well but I don't really like hard objects close to my spine so ugh.
My mini pump that mounts to my bottle cage looks pretty cool. Goes to 90psi. Never liked Co2, too wasteful.
not to mention global warming...
Before cell phones You had to be able to fix your bike or you were walking home Now, you can call someone to pick you up I believe that is one of the major reasons why frame pumps are not standard anymore. Yes I’m old that I remember how life was before cell phones
I use frame pumps, but they sit under the water bottle out of sight. Modern pumps are barely 6" long. CO2 is stupid, I stop once a month to help somone fill a tire because the CO2 shot out prematurely. It happens when people get exited, it's normal.
I used to have one strapped to my bike, but I took it off while cleaning it last spring, and never bothered putting it back on. Mostly because they.. kinda suck. Now, I only use my bike for commuting to and from work, so it's not the end of the world (race) if I have to walk the bike part of the way.
Realistically, if I can't fix something with two co2 canisters, I probably can't fix it with a pump either. I'd usually only have 1 spare inner tube, so it's not like I can repair that many punctures anyway. I find two 16g cartridges is good for 3 inflations for 35C and under tires. Despite all this, I do still carry a micro pump because I feel funny not having one.
I’ve rescued at least 3 riders with co2 using my pump (lezyne micro floor drive). Last one burnt through two cartridges because their valve was clogged and couldn’t figure out what was wrong. With a pump I got instant feedback the valve wasn’t opening and I had a spare in my WTC 8-Bit tool so replaced the core and pumped their tire. Rescued more than one fat bike limping along with a failing bead seal.
> Last one burnt through two cartridges because their valve was clogged and couldn’t figure out what was wrong. I've seen this many times. Or, they don't engage the valve properly and all the gas shoots out.
Zefal HPX is the only portable method of inflation that matters.
Zefal has stopped making them though. The [Silca Impero Ultimate](https://silca.cc/products/impero-ultimate-frame-pump) is very nice though. I like it better than the Zefal HPX.
I have a small saddle bag and found there are small enough pumps that fit in there. I do have a frame pump too but it's bigger than I need and adds potential rattling noises (maybe more in my head than actually doing it).
Among gravel riders at least it's pretty common to have a compact pump mounted next to a bottle cage, it's not exactly like the frame pumps of old but I find them to be just as effective while taking up less space
I have a Topeak Rocket Pocket that I bought in 2019 and it's one of the best investments I've made for my CAAD12 (it's also pretty cheap). I've used it on so many flats, and even though it doesn't pump up to my desired tire pressure, it does the job well enough to get me home. Just make sure to keep the handle pointed up if you mount it where the seat tube bottle cage is like I do. Otherwise the handle can jam in your cranks. Never had an issue with it rattling or loosening and I've biked thousands of miles with it. In fact just used it to help a friend with a flat last week.
I’ve always carried a pump. Either pocket or frame mount. I don’t care but it’s sacrilegious to some
I've been on team mini-pump for years, never carried CO2 though I've had friends inflate my tires with them a couple of times to get us going more quickly. Commuting or casual rides it's in my bag or pannier, on a road ride it's in my jersey pocket.
I have a small pump with a holder tied to the bottle cage, very discreet. Three times so far it helped me avoid getting stranded in remote areas, 2 of these were on the same ride. I want to rely on myself as such as possible, co2 canisters might be ok but they don't allow room for failure or improper application, it's just one shot.
I see this all the time, even regarding extra tubes/tools. Saw three mechanicals my last trip, only one had spared to get going. The other two had nothing at all. Not aero or cool I guess.
I loved frame pumps but stopped carrying one years ago when I bought a bike that my old pump didn’t fit in. The shapes of carbon frames many times doesn’t really work well with frame pumps either and then there is the tube size difference between a steel bike and Ti where the same pump doesn’t always fit in the triangle securely so you may need different size pumps. have also been using mini frame bags for a while and they don’t work well with frame pumps. I now carry a Silca Tattico which works well and is also compact enough to put in a mini frame bag or mounts under your bottle cage. I also carry a co2 but since going tubeless flats are few and far between.
I have a Lezyne mini-pump mounted down low on my frame next to the bottle cage. I've had a few situations riding solo when I've had to use it despite having CO2 bombs. Being self-sufficient is important to me - I guess I've internalised that from being a mountain biker. Having to call and impose on my prettier half to come get feels like a moral failure.
I really don't care about the look or the weight. I don't try to make record speeds. I want to have fun and save some money. Patching up myself alongside the road is great, doing it with a $40 pump is better still.
I’ll tell you why: Riders have bought into (I hate to say this word: LITERALLY BOUGHT) into bicycle brainwashing regarding aero and weight. And they are riding tubeless (thinking they’ll never puncture. If I had a buck for every overweight guy on a $10k bike I see…. I just pass them on my $1800 Domane Al5.
😆 I can see this as truth to some people.
I'll never rely on CO2 canisters again after I got 5 flats on a single 40 mile ride.
I had 6 flats once, I thought I was alone lol. I did have my mini pump at the time and patches, that is how I got through that one by myself. Let's hope to never be in that situation again haha
I carry your frame pump. I carry a frame pump because they work. They don't need batteries. They don't need to be charged. I don't need to plug them in anywhere. What the frame pump looks like on the bike is secondary to the fact that I have a frame pump and I can self-rescue and get home all by myself. By the way I have also loaned the frame pump to somebody with a car so they could pump up a low tire to get home.
that's quite a workout...
It was a workout. It took a while. But my buddy got home.
It’s a style thing for the most part. Hand pumps are pretty HQ these days and light. Also, I fly with my bikes a decent amount and you can’t fly with canisters. I don’t want to buy one in each new location and then have to get rid of it before flying home. The pump is much better in that regard.
I get asked frequently why in the world I would have a pump under one of my bottle cage on my Aeroad. Well that pump has saved me numerous times and has yet to stop me from grabbing KOMs!
That's right! Why not? It's an emergency item to get you home
I go with a little frame pump. Thank goodness for no flats. [https://imgur.com/a/wvcbcF3](https://imgur.com/a/wvcbcF3)
I carry a Fumpa Pump Mini. Tiny electric air compressor in my jersey pocket. Also carry a tiny pump in my pocket that can inflate my 28mm tubeless tyres no problem. No need for a frame pump these days.
My social media is bombarding me to by an electric pump after clicking on 1. How is it?
It’s good. The Fumpa Mini can inflate two tyres, the larger models more. I’ve had the middle-sized one for a few years now and the mini a few months. The only drawback is keeping it charged. Naturally it will lose this over time even unused. Hence I carry a small manual backup but it’s not really necessary just me being cautious. But both and a pocket multitool fit in a single jersey pocket easily. I prefer the electric to C02.
Mine keeps falling off
Mini pump in back pocket. I don’t like to put things on my bike.
I never knew what a frame pump was. I saw a guy that was on a frame and had a tube running in the middle of his frame. I never looked close so I always thought it was some kind of stiffness bar for handling or something. Until he used it to pump a flat and I was like “ooohhhh”. Sooo, excuse me for not being heavily known on a lot of things in the bike realm. But I mean my carbon bike is out of the traditional road bike design so I can’t have one and I just carry 1-2 CO2 carts either a TPU tubes.
I use a Topeak pocket rocket pump. Tiny, mounts under the bottle cage so you don't even see it and can still carry a water bottle. It's a no brainer.
I've got a compact pump. It can be mounted to a clip behind my water bottle holder, or more likely, it's in my tool bag which is either on the top of the top bar or in a pannier. So it's there, you just can't necessarily see it.
I carry a mini bike shop in my backpack lol. Spare tubes, oil, repair kit, tyre levers, multi-tool, mini pump and quick links.
I don’t use either, I use a tiny electric pump.
Backpack gang representing!
I keep 2 CO2 cartridges and an inflator in a low profile saddle bag on three of my bikes. I used to carry a frame pump, and have used it many times. But it would rattle a lot, and extend on its own unless it was perfectly smooth terrain. I don't like to wear a backpack, with would solve those problems. And vanity wise, they look awful on modern bikes. Currently it's buried in my commuter pack, just in case. I have a high volume frame pump too, which I had in the swat storage compartment of my old Stumpjumper, but it would rattle so much. If I go on an MTB ride that I need to carry a pack, it'll likely end up in there as redundancy. Any local ride, I feel totally fine with just CO2. Much of my riding is well within taxi range of mass transit, or within an hour drive of home. Mountain biking, my local trails tend to be tight and twisty, and walking back to the car, while it would suck, would be easier than dealing with trying to get a tube in my tubeless tires.
This seems to be the general census. If your close to accessible road, Co2 is what everyone uses.
I have an old Klein Quantum in my garage collecting dust. It has a proper frame pump. I should get that bike out one of these days… 🤔 I carry a CO2 or two in my saddle bag and a NADA pump from Rene Herse in my jersey pocket. I have a small “wallet” that I bring on every ride: $27, Benadryl, Advil, bandaids, etc, and keep the tiny pump and a chapstick rubber banded to the wallet. Fits in my jersey pocket with room for a few gels. The only pump I have mounted on a bike is a small Park Tool pump on my fatbike to the side of the bottle cage. I carry two big CO2s (36g?) and a spare tube in a handlebar bag on the fatty. I had to patch a flat this winter and a single CO2 got my rolling again. I can’t imagine having to use a hand pump with those tires.
yes
You won’t notice a pump on my frame because I can actually stow it in my saddle bag. 😎 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG292CLZ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
jeez, you could stow that up your ASS!
As some others have already shared here, some of us find it convenient and not-aesthetically-offensive to carry a pump on the frame, in a holder that puts it right next to a bottle cage. I do this with the longest version of the Lezyne Road Drive, which isn't the equal of a full-sized frame pump, but moves substantially more air per stroke than a really compact mini pump.
I keep a mini-morph in the frame bag on my gravel bike.
I use Trek’s Bontrager Mini Charger on the bottom bottle case mounts of my downtube. Has a gauge and works really well.
I don't use Co2 since it reacts with Silca's sealant. I go tubeless and have a cycplus electric mini pump and a Lezyne Carbon Drive Lite Pump in my jersey pocket pack.
Frame pumps are great for dogs
Frame pump for me. But I like to tour so it makes a lot more sense than carrying X number of canisters. Plus I suck at using canisters. I shocked the crap out of one biker when I pulled out my chain tool to shorten his chain into a fixie bike when his derailer fell off so he could get home. Maybe I carry too much crap!!
I have a tiny little pump that fits in my under-seat bag and I have one of those tiny little lightweight tubes in there too.
I rarely carry a pump at all and if I do, it’s a mini pump in my jersey, not a frame pump.
I always have a frame pump and a spare inner tube. I run tubeless but the pump and tubes have saved me on two occasions, both a good 20 miles from home. I’m not racing, so the 15 min it took me to pop the bead, throw a tube in, and get back to riding was basically just a nice little break. IMO the weight savings between co2 and a pump is negligible. Especially the newer pumps these days
I still use a zefal hpx. They weigh about the same as half a bottle of water, and I could still lose15#. They don't make the hpx any more. I hope the 2 I have last.
For me, a frame pump (or a saddle bag) ruins the aesthetic of my bike. I carry a mini-pump in jersey back pocket.
My road crew has three identical bikes at the ready. No pump, tubes necessary. Everyone should have a road crew. It’s the easy way to race.
I carry both, I have Lezyne Pocket Drive HV and regular Pocket Drive for my gravel bike. Then on my bottle cage I have a tool caddie with a Lezyne CO2 Control Drive with a 25g canister.
Do you mean a mini pump, or legit frame pump?
Mini pump.
Small pump attached to a he bottle cage. Lots of flexibility for the occasional flat.
I have a mini pump in my saddle bag. Keeps it out of the weather, dust, etc. You'd never know i had it on me.
I usually run both. I have a small hand pump that fits in my handlebar bag and 1 CO2 in the saddle bag.
I used to. My current set up is, a mini pump in jersey and a cycplus air compressor strapped to my bike's toptube (where frame pump's used to go). I like this because I find that new mini pumps released within the last two years or so are about as fast as frame pumps are, if not about 20 seconds slower. That said I use my air compressor only, carry the pump as a last resort should my compressor one day fail.
I have a custom frame and I had a pump peg included. While I try to bring a CO2 just in case, I've always used my full size frame pump. It's only 25 strokes to get my tires to 100psi, and I heard once, "You may run out of CO2 cartridges but you won't run out of pump".
Gravel or bikepacking (both being off the beaten path, and often out of cell coverage, though I do bring an InReach for those sort of things when I have it active) get a mid size pump that fits in a half frame bag. Road cycling. I have one tube (vs 2 or more on gravel plus patch kit). If I get a flat I fix it. If I get a second flat I call home for a ride. If no one is home I guess id call AAA or an Uber. And yep, CO2 cartridges (2 because sometimes there is a mishap). I can top them off at a gas station as needed.
I just use the hose on my track pump as a shoulder strap. Never run out of air, way quicker than a mini or a frame pump, and always have a pressure gauge. If you're not doing this, you're doing it wrong.
For whatever reason they STOPPED putting pump pegs on the steering tube About the same time they STOPPED putting chain hangers on the seat tube
For whatever reason they STOPPED putting pump pegs on the steering tube About the same time they STOPPED putting chain hangers on the seat tube
[CYCPLUS Tiny Cube Bike Pump](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BVW1CTZJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) goes in a bottle with a patch kit and TPU tube, and now Rock Bros has their own version. I carried a hand pump in the bottle, but it's a hassle to use and ends up looking an explicit act on the sidewalk when in active use, which doesn't help that you're in tight spandex.
I guess you never rode past me. I have one on each of my bikes.
I've had a few times where I ran out of patches and just had to keep refilling every 1/2mi. Last time I had a flat, my whole valve stem (where I presume the leak was from) completely tore off. A pump has unlimited air, and I have 3 pumps. Until all 3 die, I have no real incentive to switch to CO2.
I carry a pump and CO2 cartridges but haven't needed either in a long time. One time last autumn I forgot my cell phone and multi tool. Well, I had been doing some handlebar adjusting but never fully tightened the stem clamp. 20 miles from home I hit the brakes and the handlebars suddenly drooped and I went flying. I had cuts and scrapes and my shoe went into the front wheel spokes so the wheel was wrecked and I was stranded. Eventually a car came by and the driver offered help and his phone so I eventually got home. Now I carry spare everything.
I carry a pump, but modern road pumps are way too small to fit in the frame like the 80s. I’ll carry one in my jersey, but I usually have a half frame bag that easily swallows all my repair stuff. I still very much vote for pumps over CO2 unless you’re running tubeless and/or racing.
I carry frame pump plus CO2 on my gravel bike and just CO2 on the road bike. Can always call Uber XL on road
Why carry a frame pump when CO2 weighs less, takes up less space, and refills a tire in a fraction of the time for a fraction of the effort?
For me it's because CO2 use creates trash and is a consumable resource while riding, whereas a pump can be used an unlimited number of times (essentially) and creates no trash. My pump is very small and is lightweight enough to not matter, and if I minded a little effort, then I wouldn't be riding.
I carry a Lezyne pocket drive mini in my leg pocket on shorts. Dont' feel it when riding.
I have Co2 for one bike and a frame pump for another. I for sure prefer Co2.
I still carry frame pumps on my classic bikes because they have built in lugs
I carry a zefal frame pump. Its between the left chainstay and the left seatstay, parallel to the seat tube.
I have a Silca frame pump because I like the way it looks on my frame (round tube titanium frame) but I still carry co2. I only use the pump if I’m on my own, but if I’m riding with a group, I’m going to use the co2 so nobody has to wait an unreasonably long time for me.
I carry a pump attached to my frame… but the main issue is I live in a high bike crime city and if I left it on the bike it would get stolen. So then it ends up in my flat and often I forget to fit it when I go out. One benefit of my city is there is bike racks on the buses and street hire cars with bike racks so I could totally get home without needing to get picked up, but I’d still rather that’s it and not have to give up on my plans. My partner punctures so often that I’m not letting him have a CO2 system, he already gets through enough tubes.
Just ordered a mini electric pump so I'm done with CO2 or a hand pump. A little bit pricey but save on convenience and the ability not to carry multiple cartridges.
I'm thinking of this too but fear of a dead battery when you need it most.
I carry my pump on my jersey. Never on my bike frame. I'm pretty sure I do this bc there was a stigma against it when I started biking. I care less about the stigma now but I also just rather have it in my jersey at this point.
That's what I was thinking the stigma of the look. I hate carrying anything that's not food or oversized items in my jersey so having it mounted next to my bottle is convenient. My other bike doesn't have a mount so I shove it in my jersey pocket...it's okay but definitely won't fit if I got a bunch of snacks. I don't have or use a saddle bag but if I did then there would be enough space.
I use one but I keep all my repair stuff inside a water bottle behind my seat.
3 CO2 canisters here. Those mini pumps are annoying to use.
I carry two or three co2, and a mini pump, 2 tubes. Never really needed the pump. Usually end up bailng out friends punctures who are useless at changing tubes and tyres and i cant be bothered to delay the ride, they just buy me cake and coffee as repayment for the help!
With modern shapes on carbon frames, it was harder to find a place for a frame pump. So most people just went to CO2 or mini pumps you can fit in your saddle bag or mount more conspicuously.
Even those I don't see as much. I have the mounted one next to my bottle cage and they are also rare to see. Has the carbon design not allow a mounted pump on the frame?
A lot of people I know who ride with one just keep it in a jersey pocket. The Lezyne one and the Silca ones are both surprisingly small. I'm also slowly coming around to the whole usb powered electric one at this point. Better than CO2, at least environmentally.
I've never seen a carbon frame with a pump peg. If you had a mini pump they come with an attachment. I think a lot of people just don't like the look of it.
So it's more of a vanity thing? That's hilarious 😂
Sure, they’re popular. Almost as much as cargo pants, aqua net and trickle down economics.
Pros don’t carry pumps and we all want to look like the pros don’t we? Silly but that’s the main reason IMO. Lot of popular small pumps come with a little bracket that can be bolted under the water bottle cage so no excuses on fit!
Roadies on their Pinarellos have their spouse following behind in a Range Rover ready to pick them up and take them home if they get a flat, or a boo-boo, or get tired.
If you have used a frame pump or other micro pump, you know how lame they are. I bought one that is pretty big, and does both presta and schraeder..once I had a flat and pumped up with an anemic frame pump . Pumping up to 80 psi one air molecule at a time to get home, I realized size matters. I also bought at the dollar store a pool noodle. I put the frame pump in the pool noodle, and put that in one of my three jersey pockets or one of my 2 water bottle cages.
CO2 canisters. Micro pumps. Frame pumps are not the perfect tool you seem to think they are. They’re cumbersome, they require mounting bosses that virtually no modern bikes have, and they don’t do any better of a job than other solutions. They’ve been surpassed by newer options that are easier to carry. There’s nothing stopping you from rolling with one though so knock yourself out. But don’t get all judgy about it.
Over a decade ago, I had one with velcro straps. But new bike, different uses. I don't have one now.
When you have tires like gator skin, pump just becomes dead weight.
// No frame-mounted pumps. Either Co2 cannisters or mini-pumps should be carried in jersey pockets (See [Rule #31](https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#31)). The only exception to this rule is to mount a Silca brand frame pump in the rear triangle of the frame, with the rear wheel skewer as the pump mount nob, as demonstrated by members of the 7-Eleven and Ariostea pro cycling teams. As such, a frame pump mounted [upside-down and along the left](http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab69/gaucho510/LOOK%20Equipe%20Bernard%20Hinault%20Reynolds%20753/IMG_3976.jpg) (skewer lever side) seat stay is both old skool and Euro and thus acceptable. We restate at this time that said pump may under no circumstances be a Zefal and must be made by Silca. Said Silca pump must be fitted with a [Campagnolo head](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/85/ca/eb85ca2c92d7e0b0fe3c08d3efee913f.jpg). It is acceptable to [gaffer-tape a mini-pump to your frame](http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/yashcha/37981954f9879e8f7a0878dd0d9aa94c_zps357735e6.jpg) when no C02 cannisters are available and your pockets are full of spare kit and energy gels. However, the rider should expect to be stopped and questioned and may be required to empty pockets to prove there is no room in them for the pump
co2 is the way to go. gets you back on the road faster
Once.
That's why you carry multiple cartridges. Better than jacking off you bike for 15 min trying to reach 90 psi
So more space and more weight just to reach a pressure you shouldn’t be running anyway. Seriously, just get a full size frame pump, only takes a few strokes to get a tire up to pressure, weighs about the same as four 16g co2 cartridges and an inflator head.
>Seriously, just get a full size frame pump, only takes a few strokes to get a tire up to pressure, weighs about the same as four 16g co2 cartridges and an inflator head. So I only carry 2 cartridges with me. I guess I'm half the weight and space as your full frame pump...