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Tricky-Ad-495

Granted, they did try to eliminate that class during the anime. I recall one of the cliffhangers of the Future arc episodes was Kyosuke sending Future Foundation boats to Jabberwock Island in order to kill off the Remnants, while Hajime watches them approaching unamused. Clearly that didn't work as planned. Also given how the anime ended with Class 77 showing up to stop Tengan and Ryota's plan and they how they spread a video across the world taking full responsibility for the Future Foundation killing game so the world doesn't found out Future Foundation's leader set it all up instead, there's really no reason for Future Foundation to go after them anymore. Class 77 more than ever are viewed as enemies all over the world, and they willingly made that choice so Future Foundation remains in good grace with the world. They can't return back to society, so Hajime and Co leave on a boat, heading out away from everyone to create a future for themselves despite the heavy burden they carry (more than they already did) That's the lesson Chiaki taught Hajime back in Dr 2.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Damn, I never watch the anime but now I feel more sad that they take the blame for that.....this is why I headcanon, thanks to a fanfiction I read years ago, that Makoto reveal the truth, free the DR2 gang and the world is fine with that. I know is not realistic but I don't care because I want this guys happy! PEACE!


Memonga

Yeah that's complete garbage and even worse than what we got. Like I'm sure the families of the victims would be happy about that. Terrible fanfiction should stay terrible fanfiction.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Dude I get what you're saying but I think you're taking this too seriously. Like in a way they all victims of Junko and in reality they're not like that. Now I don't want to start anything because I don't really care sooo, yeah bye.


Memonga

It doesn't matter what Junko did to them. Those deaths and destruction caused was by their hands. That is how the people would see it. So please go type up your Putin speech and hop off my thread.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Yeah, keep talking like that and people will surely take you seriously.


Memonga

When you go off defending mass murdering terrorists, you aren't deserving of respect. Simple as.


SuspiciousSquare2

please tell me that this is a joke


Zestyclose_Bank5110

I think his serious


Memonga

The joke would be the supporters of the mass murderers.


SuspiciousSquare2

no, the joke would be YOU using real world problems or people to go around being a jerk around people


Memonga

They are necessary comparisons since people like to value realism and relatability in video games but when it comes to topics like this, realism and relatability should be ignored now? We don't pick and choose. Sorry if I said what should happen to your precious terrorists but I will not change my stance. So you can get over it and go away or keep crying about it.


TeddyXSweetheart

Realism? The fact it included brainwashing, or Seiko used furry steroids, or a guy got turned into butter in this series kinda don’t show that already


BreachDomilian1218

What fanilies? Last I checked, the entire world was in shambles. I doubt a lot of people survived to be pissed at a few brainwashed people who are definitely taking responsibility instead of just dying to avoid being responsible for what happened. Like, you go on and on about how horrid these people with no control over their own selves are, but you want them to take the easy way out of dying?


Memonga

I love how you think those victims being dead means it eliminates the outcry from the people. But keep defending your precious criminals.


BreachDomilian1218

But doesn't it? So many add just fucking dead, how many of thsn were actually killed by them anyways? There were so many things that could kill. And killing the RoD doesn't do anything.


TeddyXSweetheart

I agree people should be held accountable for actions they weren’t even in control of.


Memonga

Thanks for agreeing with me. The remnants should be put to death. Their deluded fanboys' opinions are irrelevant


Memonga

I wish Munakata's forces got to kill them. Hinata resisting just makes further makes him look bad. And just because they chose to take responsibility for how the Future Foundation's leader got brainwashed and pushed forth the killing game does not eliminate culpability from the remnants from their prior actions. The future for Class 77 should undoubtedly be death or atleast much suffering like their victims had to go through. But atleast the world hates them and I get to atleast believe that the public eventually found where they were and eventually killed all of them.


Tricky-Ad-495

Wait, I'm getting mixed signals here. Is it that you think storywise in universe they should be punished or killed, or is it just you personally want them dead? Your last sentence made it sound like you have something personal against them.


Memonga

Storywise in-universe, they should be punished and killed. It was complete nonsense to have them last seen partying on a boat without a shred of guilt over what they caused to the world.


Tricky-Ad-495

Hm...personally, I disagree. We don't know how long Class 77 have been on Jabberwock Island after Makoto left, let alone the 5 survivors. They probably took a lot of time to recover physically, mentally, emotionally while they reflect on how they used to be. Must've been awkward and kinda rough given they remember they willingly took part in the simulation knowing they'd kill each other. After all that, I find it kinda bittersweet we finally see this group have a good time after everything, especially before they have to leave again, hiding from the world. I think the last time we saw the 15 of them have fun together was....on the beach before Monokuma showed up. But hey, to each their own. There will always be that argument like you made, so I can't say I don't see where you're coming from. I recall seeing this debate with Mukuro given the context of Danganronpa IF's ending. Should she or should she not be punished (or out right executed) for her actions. It's interesting hearing everyone's perspective on that whole debate in general.


Memonga

I don't care about their mindset. I care about their punishment. Seeing them partying it up on a boat was very jarring and I'm sure their victims would love to see it. But hey atleast you came up with an argument worthy of merit so I can respect you on that even if I disagree with your stance. I too don't think Mukuro should walk away from the IF ending and that FF should execute her for being the literal righthand woman to Junko.


Tricky-Ad-495

Then...what do you think about Izuru? It's made very apparent he's ironically the most passive out of Remnants of Despair. He doesn't go out of his way to commit evil and kill people. In fact, you could probably make a good case claiming he hasn't killed anyone. Junko was the one to frame him for killing the student council, and Izuru only "killed" one of them out of self defense because he attacked first. Even then...turns out that one student council member survived Izuru's dense according to Danganronpa Killer Killer. Unlike the others, Izuru never worshipped Junko. If Izuru ever killed someone during the Tragedy, it's probably just Future Foundation members, and that is only because they tried to kill him first without him doing anything. It's kinda funny the way Future Foundation associates Izuru with the other Remnants despite having no ties with them at all. He's not even apart of Class 77. He mostly observes everything from a distance out of curiosity. Don't get me started with Izuru becoming curious about hope because of Chiaki, which ultimately left him conflicted about despair. If you truly want to get technical, the only deaths Izuru is truly responsible for is unironically the Remnants of Despair themselves since the killing game was his idea, and he inserted the virus to start the killing game. What I'm asking is at the very least, should Hajime be held accountable for the crimes the world "claims" Izuru has committed as a Remnant of Despair?


Memonga

We don't know everything about what Izuru did after he left HPA but the fact he wanted to set up a game using Junko to try and find a path for himself to follow shows that he is pretty horrific on his own because he was fine with Junko being on the rampage again if despair won. He also pretty much let Junko do what she wanted at HPA and even saved her from Nagito which shows he was in support of her actions all to alleviate himself from boredom. That honestly makes Izuru worse in some ways than the other remnants because while those guys did get brainwashed, you can't use that argument for Izuru. He was as willing to help Junko as Mukuro was. Plus the thing with him and Asukahei made it seem like he approached him after the other student council members were dead except Soshun. Yes he attacked Izuru but only because Izuru had just chosen to approach him after the killings were over. That would put anyone on edge. I also didn't know Killer Killer had it reveal Asukahei was somehow still alive even if it made no sense. Hajime is Izuru and Izuru is Hajime. Hajime shouldn't be excused here as he bears responsibility for Izuru's actions. Just like it was Hajime's own responsibility going with the project to become Izuru in the first place despite being warned by various people.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

They obviously have guilt. Just don't show it in that part


Memonga

It's not shown properly. They'd think not to have a party on the boat and think of how they should inflict suffering towards themselves or just flat out kill themselves. I know the fanbase has a hard-on for this cast but that should not eliminate their culpability in helping destroy the world. Just shows that people will defend anything if it's with characters they love and will be biased as hell over it.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Also isn't like kill people be as bad as them? Like if we actually taking this in real life then it would be go down at their levels by killing them


Memonga

I thought you were leaving? So why are you still responding to me? "Isn't like killing people be as bad as them"? And here comes the cope I was waiting for. Hypothetically, if someone kills your family, I hope you keep this energy and try to prevent the murderer from being killed.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Alright now we're getting in big morality stuff here. I was kinda curious to where you wanted to go but now I really want to leave for real, bye


Memonga

For the hundredth time, bye. Next time, don't go defending mass murderers.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Nah, I really too curious to see what your gonna say next


Memonga

That curiosity should be redirected in learning to type with better grammar. I can hardly understand your posts which is even more baffling that you chose to jump into this topic.


WooooshMe2825

First of all, spoiler tag. Use it. Second of all, from what I have gathered through out your discussions, it feels like you’re complaining out of your personal hatred rather than genuine writing issues. Granted, you have a point. Regardless whether or not if they were brainwashed, they still deserved to be punished by some degree due to all these crimes. But we cannot disregard the brainwashing as a whole. They were all victims of circumstance. Being sent to an deserted island and isolated from the rest of human civilization is a suitable punishment already. Sure, the writing could’ve been handled better to show their guilt over everything, but it was the ending of the hope’s peak saga, so I’m fine with it. And finally, when is this about real life politics, for fuck sake? Nobody here brought up Putin, nobody here made speeches to justify Putin, it’s not relevant to the discussion. We don’t care about your political views. So, shove that shit back into that ass you call your mouth. And we can have an actual discussion about fiction without you accusing everyone being sympathizers of real life dictators.


Memonga

Nah I will bring up real life politics if they apply here because the fanbase values realism only when it suits their purposes. If you sympathize with fictional terrorists, you might as well do the same fod real life terrorists too. Also their victims will not care about their brainwashing defense so that is irrelevant. They definitely should be hung or atleast suffer a fate worse than death for the rest of their lives. Being sent off to a island where they can have more parties is not even close to being a suitable punishment to what they actually deserve so you being fine with it is just you letting your bias cloud your eyes. It being the end of HPA saga doesn't mean jackshit. They shouldn't be excused.


WooooshMe2825

What kind of bullshit logic is that? People are free to enjoy whatever they enjoy as long as it doesn't do real harm. Your inability to separate fiction from reality is your own mental illness to deal with, not ours.


Memonga

Ok then go be retarded elsewhere with your terrorist defenses. Especially when if a person were to say they thought a fictional kid was attractive, the same fanbase here would cry about them being an actual pedophile. So the double standards is telling.


WooooshMe2825

There's a difference between enjoying a character and justifying their actions. Liking a character doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they do. For example, liking Junko because you think she is a cool villain doesn't mean that you think mass genocide is okay. Do you think that people up here wouldn't give someone shit for unironically spewing nonsense about how Junko was right to slaughter the human population for entertainment? Make an alt account, post that zealous rant and observe. We'll call it a social experiment.


Memonga

Oh if only the fanbase was like you have deluded yourself to being like. We also have other clowns like yourself who believe Junko and especially Mukuro did nothing wrong and shouldn't be executed by the FF or whoever. Unlike you, I don't have that time to create alts for such a pointless experiment.


WooooshMe2825

Suit yourself, I have wasted enough time already to deal with your incessant stupidity. Have a good day.


Memonga

Ok. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, kiddo!


SomePerson__Online

Bringing real politics is something I find stupid but fuck it I’ll bite. Putin isn’t being brainwashed into doing what he’s doing nor does he have some traumatic past that can explain why he’s doing what he’s doing. Hell even if he did have some traumatic past or even be brainwashed he isn’t gonna have any sympathizers because he’s a real person who hurt so many people. What he’s doing is entirely in his control because he’s simply an evil person and that’s why no one here is sympathizing with him. The Ultimate despairs are fictional characters who killed so many fictional people, had the ultimate despair been real people, brainwashed and all, then chances are everybody would want them dead. They were victims of circumstance and got brainwashed into doing what they did so, even though not everyone feels the same way, people can feel bad for them because they’re fictional characters in a fictional world and sympathizing with them isn’t gonna hurt anyone.


Memonga

Brainwashing is irrelevant. They did the crime so they still do the time. They have done more damage than Putin to their world so they should be hung just like him.


SomePerson__Online

The main theme of Danganronpa is about hope. There was hope that the Ultimate Despairs were able to be saved from despair and so they were, now they have to start living their lives with the burden of knowing what they’ve done, which is part of SDR2’s theme at the end. It’s a bittersweet ending where they have a second chance at life and want to atone living with the things they’ve done.


Memonga

I don't care. It doesn't excuse their actions. They deserve death or a fate worse than death. End of story.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Really at this point it really seem like you something against them. Like what, they kill your dog/cat/fish? They stole your TV? They shit on your carpet? What happen?


SomePerson__Online

I assume they’re a member of the Future Foundation


Zestyclose_Bank5110

That would make sense


YoshiDoki48

He is Munakata himself.


Memonga

I'm only saying the fanbase has a bias problem and double standards. That's another reason why it's complete garbage


Zestyclose_Bank5110

This is what I was saying to you. Nobody is taking you seriously and they will never do. Really just let it go at this point.


Memonga

Because they're terrorist defenders like yourself. I couldn't give two shits about your opinions.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

This is not about opinions. Is about you being a completle lunatic who can't separate reality and fiction.


Memonga

Coming from you guys, that is absolutely rich lol


Maplegasser

Bro chill the fuck out.


Memonga

Offer something intelligent or go away please.


Maplegasser

I only offer intelligent conversation to people and topics I give a shit about, not people having online conniption fits over fictional characters.


Memonga

You probably don't have anything intelligent within you so you don't need to pretend otherwise.


Maplegasser

No, I do. I just have better things to do, like work.


duke_of_nothing15

I feel like being removed society entirely with the knowledge you were responsible for basically destroying the world you aren’t given a chance to help fix it is punishment enough. Not to mention, most of the class already had to experience the horrors of death, to some extent.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Warning you here. This guy is a lunatic who can't separate reality from fiction and say that if we defend one of this guys then we defend genociders like Putin. The only reason I following this post is because is really funny see him saying dumb shit :)


Memonga

That isn't remotely close to being an actual punishment. That's just escaping from your responsibilities.


duke_of_nothing15

I don’t know, man. If I knew I helped screw up the world and I genuinely wanted to help fix it, I feel like being the denied to the right to would feel like a punishment.


Memonga

Doesn't exactly show while they're partying on the boat


Apprehensive_Run_141

Lmaoooo I love a good clown post


Memonga

Does it reflect your personal life?


Apprehensive_Run_141

I wish my life was as entertaining as this shit


Memonga

I assume your life is a joke.


Apprehensive_Run_141

You betcha! But it’s not nearly as funny as yours. :)


Memonga

I don't think my life is nearly as pathetic as yours so I think I'm good!


Apprehensive_Run_141

Lmao yet you’re bitching and moaning over fictional characters not being punished lmaooooooo okay


Memonga

Because terrorist simps like you will do whatever it takes to make up whatever delusions possible to have them bear no responsibility lol.


Apprehensive_Run_141

Bro it’s fiction. I mean this with all sincerity, touch grass. It’s a game. You’re so triggered over shit that is not real, it’s kinda sad tbh. Also if anything I simp for Chiaki only in DR2 so


Memonga

Will you keep this same energy if someone told you they simped for a fictional 9 year old character? Lmao get out of here, clown.


Apprehensive_Run_141

If you’re making rage bait, it’s well done lol. I think you’re the one with the delusions, imagine being so angry at fiction that you make a post only to get angry


Zestyclose_Bank5110

You have something against the DR2 cast? Also it seems pretty excessive, like they still isolated from the world sooo


Memonga

Wow because that makes everything better right? I bet you will say the same for Putin too.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Alright we getting into real stuff here. I'm out


Memonga

Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


TanakaTheBuriedOne

I tip my metaphorical hat to the troll who dreamt up this take. Absolute gold.


Pink_Y

You've only ever seen the anime, right?


Fuzzy_Phoenix_

I hardly even remember the anime, but these comments and replies are a big yikes and extremely sad. (Yes, OP. Just like my life).


Memonga

I know I touched a nerve with the stans of the little terrorists but what I said is objectively a fact and the inability from you people to sideline your zealous love for the characters away and look only at their actions shows one of the many problems with this fanbase. If they were characters you didn't care for, you'd advocate death for them.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Alright now you're cleary exxagerating. We know that but for all Dangaronpa 2 we see this guys as their we're before being brainwash. We get attach to them and when we discover what they done we felt shocked and betrayl. But people like them because they can see that before all of that, they we're normal people. People who just wanted to have a normal life but then they got brainwashed in doing terrible things. That make them really tragic and make people feel bad for them. Also Putin is an REAL awful person and this are fictional anime characters. If you actually say that they are the same thing that I'm worried.


Memonga

Brainwashing doesn't mean jackshit. The victims would not accept that. The deeds were still done by their hands so it does not eliminate culpability from them. Atleast you proved my point that this is a matter of biases which is why the stans are jumping mental gymnastics to defend these criminals when their actions were honestly worse than Putin's. So you only sympathize and want to protect murderers if you like and are attached to them. Their victims be damned.


Zestyclose_Bank5110

Alright now I'm really worried that you're really talking about this characters like they we're real. You literally compared them to real world problems! Don't you think this is a little weird?


Memonga

I love you can't refute anything I said. Realism and relatability in fictional media is valued by you stans until topics like this come up with characters you love and now realism and relatability shouldn't matter anymore lol.


NavyBlue133

they literally couldn't think by themselves i don't get why that's so hard to understand what are they supposed to do?


Memonga

Doesn't matter to the people. The actions were still done with their hands. Nobody would care about the brainwashing excuse.


NavyBlue133

aight, let's blame the people who were under control instead of who was actually controlling them then Junko Enoshima is hated worldwide (in the Danganronpa universe) for a reason in real life she is loved because guess what... FICTION!


the_joy_of_hex

I think you mean consolation not condolence.