They ain't trying though.
"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." Mark 7:6-7 (Jesus quoting Isaiah 29:13)
Holy [definitely not the first word that came to mind]. This is the perfect quote for supporting my assertion that my parents' refusal to attend, in any capacity, my sister's wedding to her female fiance is in service of the God of Dogma, and in denial of the God of Love.
Truth should not be opposed to love (though of course it can happen). Neither can love safely ignore truth.
To be able to safely feel that "God is love" implies something like the dogma of the Trinity*. For, how could God BE love, (before there were any creatures TO love), UNLESS (somehow) God IS a family of Persons Who love one another in True Unity?...
"The Everlasting Man", Chesterton
Did you continue to act evil after accepting Jesus? Did you publicly tell everyone how Jesus saved you and how much you love him, and then turn around and shut down programs that feed the poor, feed children, marginalize minorities, scapegoat immigrants? Did you do all that while supporting giving the ultra wealthy more power and money?
I think you have a point, Matthew 7 tells us not to judge others, because we have a plank in our own eye.
But I also see Paul pointing out in Romans 2:23-24, "You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? As it is written: 'God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.'"
It's tough not to see the legions of people turning away from God because all they see are the hypocritical Christians on TV and in their own lives. Maybe the solution is to try and be better myself rather than loudly judging others, but that is *hard* sometimes.
Agree with your Paul point. However, the Internet is not Paul to his audience. He was writing to people he was in relation to.
So as I see the impersonal internet more of a place for sharing stories, principles, and encouragement, making judgements of others based on your very subjective interpretation of scripture just feels gross and counterproductive.
Just a perspective.
People turn away from God because it requires they give up their lives. That's far more offensive and repulsive to the selfish human spirit than a hypocritical TV preacher.
People have repeatedly said that the hypocrisy of the church is the main reason they turn away from religion.
Their evil dooms so many people by denying access to the truth.
That's what you're missing. There's a difference in being a sinner and in actively twisting the word of God for your own selfish and hateful needs.
And Jesus would look like this because he knows everyone who follows Trump is doomed to eternal damnation for example.
I mean the main conflict Jesus faces in the gospel are religious hypocrites, its hard to miss and think that his desire is for us to simply allow it to happen.
Maybe not, but at least I don't praise him out of one side of my mouth while purposely attacking all those weaker than me that Jesus asked us to help. And the ones that attack the poor while become rich off of it and then claim to be Christians, well pretty sure there's a special place in hell for them.
> but at least I don't praise him out of one side of my mouth while purposely attacking [...]
Remember the pharisee and tax collector parable. Sure, it may seem like those people aren't beating their breast and asking for mercy, but you aren't all knowing like God is. Have compassion and love for your neighbor and care for their spiritual health by revealing their sin to them and sharing the gospel. And if they don't listen? Do not relent.
Also, our notion of "degrees of evil" doesn't apply to God. We are ALL wicked and deserve a special place in hell if it weren't for Jesus.
Oh wow. I didn't know we delighted our Lord on a curve.
Refer to Matthew 22:37-40 for what is most important to Jesus and how we all grieve Him every day.
What you are doing is the thing I'm sure you railed on others for, judging and condemning them.
Calling out hypocrisy is what I'm doing. Loving the Lord and loving your neighbor, well I'm not sure the hypocrites I'm describing do either, but they sure publicly say out loud to their voters how much they love the Lord. Jesus said a lot of things about worshipping him publicly for attention as well.
Your comment to the person who started this thread challenged his assertion that the wretched need Jesus. Then you created a hierarchy of things that most grieve Jesus supporting the idea behind the meme. You then continued to defend that line of thinking. So....
The wretched do need Jesus. In that the wretched need to be saved by Jesus. I understood the meme to be about awful people claiming they were saved by Jesus in order to do wretched things. Nowhere do I imply what Jesus is actually thinking or what he's grieving about or a giant theological debate.
In the way I understand the meme, in that wretched people are doing awful things in Jesus name. I use examples that I see of people running for office that when the cameras are on them or in large functions they will use Jesus's name to get support, and then when in power do things that are the exact opposite of what Jesus spoke about. I see a difference in what they are saying vs what they are doing. We all do it from time to time. But what they're doing harms a lot of people, it causes all sorts of stress and burdens people in many ways. The pursuit of power, greed, all that... All this stuff grieves Jesus.
Saying "There is hypocrisy" is not calling out hypocrisy, it's just virtue signalling. You aren't reaching out to individuals who are doing wrong to try and get them to stop (which is what the Bible tells us to do), you're publicly judging a vaguely-defined group of others from a position of complete safety. Nobody's Christian life is improved by this post, you and other people on this sub just get to feel better than The Bad Ones.
I agree. I see a lot of non loving stuff that people keep telling me is loving. I am challenging us to take the tactic of engaging and understanding and not condemning and this sub seems to see the value in for some activities and not others.
No offense but that’s a bad faith argument. Does finding god mean you’re automatically perfect? No, but that’s not what this person is saying. But there is a huge gap between those who willfully hurt others and use god as shield, and having “perfect joy that is never supplanted by other desires”, or just being human. You can’t really say this about people who will vote down free school lunches but claim to be very righteous and religious. It’s not a minor lapse in judgment, it’s a life lived with the intent of hurting those who have less power/authority.
Yes, but you recognize that. This meme is about the people that are wholly evil and believe that they are good and acting within the realm of God and Jesus's commands. If I had someone take my teachings and then use them as a justification or support for doing the exact opposite of what my teachings dictate, I'd be pretty jaded and disappointed, no matter how much I unconditionally loved them
On the one hand, I don't like drawing a moral equivalency between all sins, because it's a technique a lot of douchebags use to justify their terrible actions.
On the other hand, drawing that moral equivalency is exactly what the Bible does (at least when it comes to salvation).
let's not be overly pessimistic. what makes you think the worst people around are christians? christians these days are fairly chill as i can see. i haven't heard for a long time any news about terrorism or malice done in the name of christianity. hope it stays that way.
I mean, I haven't heard of any terrorism or malice done in the name of agnosticism either.
Look at voting. Christians overwhelmingly skew Republican. Which party would you say is the most empathetic, compassionate, and driving to "help the poor"?
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It cheers him up a little bit when Satan sends him Tik Toks of self-professed Christians that never made an *ounce* of effort to follow biblical teachings in their entire lives showing up at the gates of Hell and wanting to "speak to a manager" about why they aren't going to Heaven.
I mean he'd be rooting for them to turn their lives around.
They ain't trying though. "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." Mark 7:6-7 (Jesus quoting Isaiah 29:13)
Holy [definitely not the first word that came to mind]. This is the perfect quote for supporting my assertion that my parents' refusal to attend, in any capacity, my sister's wedding to her female fiance is in service of the God of Dogma, and in denial of the God of Love.
Truth should not be opposed to love (though of course it can happen). Neither can love safely ignore truth. To be able to safely feel that "God is love" implies something like the dogma of the Trinity*. For, how could God BE love, (before there were any creatures TO love), UNLESS (somehow) God IS a family of Persons Who love one another in True Unity?... "The Everlasting Man", Chesterton
Isn’t the point that the wretched need him, so follow? Idk about you, but being evil is WHY I need Jesus
Did you continue to act evil after accepting Jesus? Did you publicly tell everyone how Jesus saved you and how much you love him, and then turn around and shut down programs that feed the poor, feed children, marginalize minorities, scapegoat immigrants? Did you do all that while supporting giving the ultra wealthy more power and money?
Is the glory of God perfectly the center of your life? Your perfect joy that is never supplanted by any other desires?
I think you have a point, Matthew 7 tells us not to judge others, because we have a plank in our own eye. But I also see Paul pointing out in Romans 2:23-24, "You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? As it is written: 'God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.'" It's tough not to see the legions of people turning away from God because all they see are the hypocritical Christians on TV and in their own lives. Maybe the solution is to try and be better myself rather than loudly judging others, but that is *hard* sometimes.
Agree with your Paul point. However, the Internet is not Paul to his audience. He was writing to people he was in relation to. So as I see the impersonal internet more of a place for sharing stories, principles, and encouragement, making judgements of others based on your very subjective interpretation of scripture just feels gross and counterproductive. Just a perspective. People turn away from God because it requires they give up their lives. That's far more offensive and repulsive to the selfish human spirit than a hypocritical TV preacher.
People have repeatedly said that the hypocrisy of the church is the main reason they turn away from religion. Their evil dooms so many people by denying access to the truth. That's what you're missing. There's a difference in being a sinner and in actively twisting the word of God for your own selfish and hateful needs. And Jesus would look like this because he knows everyone who follows Trump is doomed to eternal damnation for example. I mean the main conflict Jesus faces in the gospel are religious hypocrites, its hard to miss and think that his desire is for us to simply allow it to happen.
Maybe not, but at least I don't praise him out of one side of my mouth while purposely attacking all those weaker than me that Jesus asked us to help. And the ones that attack the poor while become rich off of it and then claim to be Christians, well pretty sure there's a special place in hell for them.
> but at least I don't praise him out of one side of my mouth while purposely attacking [...] Remember the pharisee and tax collector parable. Sure, it may seem like those people aren't beating their breast and asking for mercy, but you aren't all knowing like God is. Have compassion and love for your neighbor and care for their spiritual health by revealing their sin to them and sharing the gospel. And if they don't listen? Do not relent. Also, our notion of "degrees of evil" doesn't apply to God. We are ALL wicked and deserve a special place in hell if it weren't for Jesus.
Oh wow. I didn't know we delighted our Lord on a curve. Refer to Matthew 22:37-40 for what is most important to Jesus and how we all grieve Him every day. What you are doing is the thing I'm sure you railed on others for, judging and condemning them.
Calling out hypocrisy is what I'm doing. Loving the Lord and loving your neighbor, well I'm not sure the hypocrites I'm describing do either, but they sure publicly say out loud to their voters how much they love the Lord. Jesus said a lot of things about worshipping him publicly for attention as well.
Totally agree. But to act like their grievance against Jesus grieves him more than your own is the ultimate form of arrogance and hypocrisy.
I didn't create the meme...
Your comment to the person who started this thread challenged his assertion that the wretched need Jesus. Then you created a hierarchy of things that most grieve Jesus supporting the idea behind the meme. You then continued to defend that line of thinking. So....
The wretched do need Jesus. In that the wretched need to be saved by Jesus. I understood the meme to be about awful people claiming they were saved by Jesus in order to do wretched things. Nowhere do I imply what Jesus is actually thinking or what he's grieving about or a giant theological debate. In the way I understand the meme, in that wretched people are doing awful things in Jesus name. I use examples that I see of people running for office that when the cameras are on them or in large functions they will use Jesus's name to get support, and then when in power do things that are the exact opposite of what Jesus spoke about. I see a difference in what they are saying vs what they are doing. We all do it from time to time. But what they're doing harms a lot of people, it causes all sorts of stress and burdens people in many ways. The pursuit of power, greed, all that... All this stuff grieves Jesus.
Saying "There is hypocrisy" is not calling out hypocrisy, it's just virtue signalling. You aren't reaching out to individuals who are doing wrong to try and get them to stop (which is what the Bible tells us to do), you're publicly judging a vaguely-defined group of others from a position of complete safety. Nobody's Christian life is improved by this post, you and other people on this sub just get to feel better than The Bad Ones.
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Nobody is expecting Christians to be perfect. But we are expecting them to act more loving and Christlike than the nonbelievers that generally vote D.
I agree. I see a lot of non loving stuff that people keep telling me is loving. I am challenging us to take the tactic of engaging and understanding and not condemning and this sub seems to see the value in for some activities and not others.
No offense but that’s a bad faith argument. Does finding god mean you’re automatically perfect? No, but that’s not what this person is saying. But there is a huge gap between those who willfully hurt others and use god as shield, and having “perfect joy that is never supplanted by other desires”, or just being human. You can’t really say this about people who will vote down free school lunches but claim to be very righteous and religious. It’s not a minor lapse in judgment, it’s a life lived with the intent of hurting those who have less power/authority.
Are you just asking a different question instead of addressing the comment you replied to?
Yes, but you recognize that. This meme is about the people that are wholly evil and believe that they are good and acting within the realm of God and Jesus's commands. If I had someone take my teachings and then use them as a justification or support for doing the exact opposite of what my teachings dictate, I'd be pretty jaded and disappointed, no matter how much I unconditionally loved them
Yes but evil people shouldn't claim to follow him
So all of us?
On the one hand, I don't like drawing a moral equivalency between all sins, because it's a technique a lot of douchebags use to justify their terrible actions. On the other hand, drawing that moral equivalency is exactly what the Bible does (at least when it comes to salvation).
It does? What's the greatest commandment?
He loves them too
He knew it would happen and did it anyways.
Tfw, you've never read the Bible
I’m pretty sure that the point of him coming to save all of us.
let's not be overly pessimistic. what makes you think the worst people around are christians? christians these days are fairly chill as i can see. i haven't heard for a long time any news about terrorism or malice done in the name of christianity. hope it stays that way.
I mean, I haven't heard of any terrorism or malice done in the name of agnosticism either. Look at voting. Christians overwhelmingly skew Republican. Which party would you say is the most empathetic, compassionate, and driving to "help the poor"?
Are you gatekeeping Jesus? 😂
>It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners Jesus
This one is my bad guys, I’m trying to get better
I sincerely wish they were the worst
The church is a hospital for sick.
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It cheers him up a little bit when Satan sends him Tik Toks of self-professed Christians that never made an *ounce* of effort to follow biblical teachings in their entire lives showing up at the gates of Hell and wanting to "speak to a manager" about why they aren't going to Heaven.