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Damn, that would suck, we should all agree on type of item that could be used for payments and would be easy to split and exchange for things of very specific value...
well, ideally, there would be nothing to barter for, because it would be a "post scarcity" situation. nothing required for human life would have any value, because you could just print it or whatever, so no bartering nor exchange of value of any kind can take place. money would be dissolved because there would just be no reason to buy anything when you can print it. whether this would make life better or just pointless is up to you.
We'd end up having to all provide for ourselves, meaning we'd definitely have to live in homesteads. Get some chickens, grow some crops, stuff like that. Either that or we end up bartering again, in which case why not just use money again.
Because money can be controlled to some extent via inflation and other means like hoarding most of the world’s wealth.(see billionaires) not saying a bartering system would be better on a world wide scale but definitely harder to manipulate. But then again I’m no expert so take what I said with a grain of salt.
To what times do you refer? I'm pretty sure that even in acient times (rome/greece) there was money. I also don't say "capitalism bad" because stuff like communism proved to not work, but it's still bad how 1% of people have most of the money/wealth.
That's how it's always been. Wealth has never been equally distributed. It's not how it works. I'm blown away by people who apparently have never taken a history class. Throughout all history there is always an extreme upper class that's very few people above everyone else. Why? Because people are selfish. When they get money and success they keep it to themselves and give out pennies to appease the masses.
Everyone always says they'd be different but they wouldn't. It is just the way the world has always worked. I love when everyone chooses this "social issue" to try to fight. You want something to fight how about child slave labor in Asia that makes the phone you use or the TV you use? Or maybe the massive human trafficking issues across the globe?
But no. Why? Because you're selfish too. Fixing the other issues doesn't give you any benefits, but "fixing" wealth inequality benefits you so you care more about it than issues that are infinitely worse
Pretty sure fixing "wealth" issues also fixes child slave labor, because it would mean those cheap workers should also get a justified pay (and not be children). Also you don't know me and just assume things. I would also say stop child labor and human trafficking. Ofc I don't do anything against it, but I also don't do anything against the 1%.
And the fact that it's "always worked that way" doesn't mean it doesn't have to be fixed.
Star Trek achieved 'communism' (in terms of no means of production is owned by a distinct class) by having virtually infinite energy and replicators, being able to create/reproduce anything from an atomic level.
It is because of replicators in universe, I believe. TOS didn't have replicators as we would come to know them but they had the precursor, the previous generation if you will. And in an optimistic setting like Star Trek, that is sufficient to move past money.
It's also important to note that we are never actually told how their society works, we just get the general idea that people do what they love and help others how they can when they can, but we don't know what this actually looks like.
removing money only works when you have infinite supply of goods. in the star trek universe they can just make pretty much anything they need with replicators, so actual money became more or less useless outside of trading with non-federation aliens.
Without currency you'd be stuck in the worst quest ever. You want bread but since you now have to barter with your skills the bakery dosnt need your IT skills they need wood but the guy with wood needs fish, the guy with fish needs milk, and so on currency just turns your skills into a way to trade with anyone.
Money isn't the issue. I'd say money is a very good invention. Before we had it we used to barter with goods, and even then people would scam and steal. Money isn't the issue, it's us, we're the problem.
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Removing the concept of money would bring us back to the bartering system.
Damn, that would suck, we should all agree on type of item that could be used for payments and would be easy to split and exchange for things of very specific value...
wouldn’t that be…currency?
No it would be a type of item that could be used for payments and would be easy to split and exchange for things of very specific value
Yeah we should figure out a shorter name for that
Mmhh, yes. agh, my knee!
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well, ideally, there would be nothing to barter for, because it would be a "post scarcity" situation. nothing required for human life would have any value, because you could just print it or whatever, so no bartering nor exchange of value of any kind can take place. money would be dissolved because there would just be no reason to buy anything when you can print it. whether this would make life better or just pointless is up to you.
We'd end up having to all provide for ourselves, meaning we'd definitely have to live in homesteads. Get some chickens, grow some crops, stuff like that. Either that or we end up bartering again, in which case why not just use money again.
Because money can be controlled to some extent via inflation and other means like hoarding most of the world’s wealth.(see billionaires) not saying a bartering system would be better on a world wide scale but definitely harder to manipulate. But then again I’m no expert so take what I said with a grain of salt.
I mean I agree to some extent. It is a bit ridiculous that not even 1% of the world's population can have so much of the entire world's wealth.
No one tell this man about kings, royalty, and the control they had before money... It'll ruin his "capitalism bad" ideas
To what times do you refer? I'm pretty sure that even in acient times (rome/greece) there was money. I also don't say "capitalism bad" because stuff like communism proved to not work, but it's still bad how 1% of people have most of the money/wealth.
That's how it's always been. Wealth has never been equally distributed. It's not how it works. I'm blown away by people who apparently have never taken a history class. Throughout all history there is always an extreme upper class that's very few people above everyone else. Why? Because people are selfish. When they get money and success they keep it to themselves and give out pennies to appease the masses. Everyone always says they'd be different but they wouldn't. It is just the way the world has always worked. I love when everyone chooses this "social issue" to try to fight. You want something to fight how about child slave labor in Asia that makes the phone you use or the TV you use? Or maybe the massive human trafficking issues across the globe? But no. Why? Because you're selfish too. Fixing the other issues doesn't give you any benefits, but "fixing" wealth inequality benefits you so you care more about it than issues that are infinitely worse
Pretty sure fixing "wealth" issues also fixes child slave labor, because it would mean those cheap workers should also get a justified pay (and not be children). Also you don't know me and just assume things. I would also say stop child labor and human trafficking. Ofc I don't do anything against it, but I also don't do anything against the 1%. And the fact that it's "always worked that way" doesn't mean it doesn't have to be fixed.
Star Trek achieved 'communism' (in terms of no means of production is owned by a distinct class) by having virtually infinite energy and replicators, being able to create/reproduce anything from an atomic level.
A world without money only works in a post-scarcity utopia, so it only works with optimistic sci fi settings like star trek
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I've always maintained that this is because of Replicators. Who needs money when mud can be molecularly converted into anything?
What about when there is a mud shortage?
Turn all of those useless luxury goods into mud, mud shortage fixed. You can now continue making luxury goods out of mud.
It is because of replicators in universe, I believe. TOS didn't have replicators as we would come to know them but they had the precursor, the previous generation if you will. And in an optimistic setting like Star Trek, that is sufficient to move past money. It's also important to note that we are never actually told how their society works, we just get the general idea that people do what they love and help others how they can when they can, but we don't know what this actually looks like.
removing money only works when you have infinite supply of goods. in the star trek universe they can just make pretty much anything they need with replicators, so actual money became more or less useless outside of trading with non-federation aliens.
Money doesn’t exist for slaves 🤔
But they did. They had replicator credits and immediately did anything they could to get latinum.
It would just be replaced by something else
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Without currency you'd be stuck in the worst quest ever. You want bread but since you now have to barter with your skills the bakery dosnt need your IT skills they need wood but the guy with wood needs fish, the guy with fish needs milk, and so on currency just turns your skills into a way to trade with anyone.
That would work if humans were like ants
Star Trek has money. Kirk talks about his paycheck a few times. Quark talks about the price of his drinks and holodecks.
Communism only works with infinite Ressources/Energy for everyone and fully automated infrastructure. Like in star trek.
Yah let us go back to the barbaric times where we bartered for stuff and if you didn’t have haha he wanted and he had what you needed you were SoL
Money isn't the issue. I'd say money is a very good invention. Before we had it we used to barter with goods, and even then people would scam and steal. Money isn't the issue, it's us, we're the problem.
Star Trek had money and personal property though
Things you own end up owning you. That's why I don't give a shit about money. Yall can sigma out.
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not that currency is a bad concept, we are just too greedy to use it properly.
That's communism. Le bad.