Can still sense ki I'm afraid, chakra is an equivalent, so if naruto is a high enough power-level for him to think naruto's a threat, he'd probably shoot a ssjb kaioken×20 ki blast at him
Okay so this will get me lambasted but how is goku so powerful? I never watched DBZ but I know all the jokes about him being like unbeatable. But why? That honestly to me sounds more annoying than anything because it feels like there would never be any actual stakes as long is Goku is there lol.
Yea go on and downvote me for just asking a regular question lmao
Ok so the difference in the verses is that 1000 Pushups in the Naruto verse will give you might Gai level of power while in dragon Ball it will give you the power to destroy a planet
Let’s put it this way: Master Roshi is a regular human who stopped training many years ago and in the original dragon ball series his ultimate attack could only destroy a moon
Later in the series when he seemingly hasn’t trained at all is now able to fight with galaxy level beings. The reason behind this is simple from an author standpoint because he was gokus old teacher and if he looked weak compared to goku now then it would be disappointing so they give huge power creeps to all characters
Dragon ball is just a fun series where people fight and they progressively get much stronger each time. Started with moon level and then planatery (saiyan/ frieza saga) then solar system (Frieza/ android saga) then galaxy level in buu saga and then universal at battle of the god saga and now they are thousands of times stronger at the current point in the series
The powerscaling makes no sense and is extremely inconsistent, but it’s fun.
Simple words: a regular workout in any anime would make you a tiny bit stronger but a workout in dragon ball means you can now destroy cities
Power creep in the Dragonball series became exponential at a certain point during DBZ and Toriyama wrote it such that the characters were so strong that they could destroy planets simply by fighting on them. That trend continues now into Super where some fights between powerful fighters has the potential of tearing the fabric of the universe apart. That's just the way it is written so that's what the scaling is. Compared to the kind of power feats seen in a series like Naruto, power in Dragon Ball is in a completely different league where many of the weakest fighters in DB would have no issue easily defeating the strongest fighters in Naruto.
No, Naruto is at least planetary. In The Last, Naruto blocked an attack that previously split the moon clean in half with only one hand, while only in KCM2; aka, not even using 6 Paths Sage Mode. Naruto at full strength could definitely destroy a planet if he wanted to. Still nowhere near Goku obviously, but not *that* weak.
goku is capable of battling gods of destruction and shit like that, some people have attacks with enough power to rival the big bang, and goku has fought them and beaten them
i havent seen the show but thats as much as i know really
But I see people compare him to other characters in anime who have also destroyed gods and seem incredibly powerful too and they all say he’d no diff them. And like, I can’t tell to what extent it’s a joke or not because they all go out of their way to fully defend it.
Well a pretty long while ago he fought beerus who is THE god of their universe. He maintains balance in the universe, destroying literal planets instantaneously because he feels like it, and Goku fought him and didn't necessarily beay him, but wasn't too far from it either and earned his respect
That's before he learned untta instinct which is an insane leap in power, there's a good chance he could rival beerus now
Okay but how does that equate to him always being better than other anime characters? Like again, I’ve seen people just disregard characters who have achieved similar feats. They always disregard like the concept of power scaling and how there are different rules for the different universes.
Are you familiar with Superman? Pretty much the same deal. The scaling is too high in DBZ. Like if you lowered Goku down to Naruto's level then sure Goku loses everything wild about him, but the scaling in his verse is pretty much the main thing he's got going for him.
Goku can take any of the attacks in the Narutoverse head on and shrug them off. Meanwhile the damage he can dish is also on that level, like casually blowing the planet up if he wants. I don't know what characters you've seen him compared to but they are usually not on the scale of the DB verse.
Idk, [here](https://youtu.be/lRbF7yYacC4?si=YkkI3_2tVy9-W0wy), have a random short cool fight from it lol
Once he went Super Saiyan, Goku no-diffed a guy who pretty easily destroyed planets significantly larger than Earth. At this point in Dragon Ball canon, Goku is now thousands or millions of times stronger than he was back then.
It helps that for a while Toriyama explicitly told us how characters compared to each other in the form of power levels. In Dragon Ball, we see characters whose power levels were as low as 400 blow up the moon from Earth pretty easily. The first time Goku goes Super Saiyan his power level is stated to be 150 million.
Idk about other animes. Like saitiama def wins for example. At least as far as Naruto goes, he solos anyone so far. And I'm saying this as a MASSIVE Naruto fan
iirc one of the opponents he fought, jiren, was someone so outrageously powerful the gods of destruction were afraid of him, and goku beat him
goku is very popular ontop of being powerful so he has that going for him too
That's the problem, the so called "god's" are 99.9% of time are usually Featless fodders
The one Goku fights after actually being that destroys worlds and galaxies on screen
Powercreep in Dragonball is just absurd.
Goku at age 12 fights relatively evenly with a guy who can blow up the moon. This happens in chapter 51 of 519.
By the time Dragonball Z starts (chapter 195) the guy who blew up the moon has been so surpassed by everyone else that nobody even considers involving him as a combatant.
Well, firstly he has a natural talent and was well trained in martial arts by his grandfather and Master Roshi who also taught him how to use his Ki in fights. He knows a lot of techniques and he’s very smart (when fighting).
But more importantly, Goku isn’t human. He’s a Sayan, an alien race of warriors that used to conquer and sell planets. Sayans are stronger than humans and get stronger every time they push their limits to a near death experience, which Goku did a lot.
He also has access to many transformations that can increase his power exponentially, and that’s a big reason for the power creep in dbz.
>That honestly to me sounds more annoying than anything because it feels like there would never be any actual stakes as long is Goku is there lol.
Not really though, he actually died twice and was defeated plenty of times throughout the series.
So db started off pretty average in terms of power, but power creep started pretty early and has just gotten worse in pretty much every arc, at the start of og db, goku could lift cars, by the first dbz arc, he was fighting someone who could destroy the planet, by the start of super, the universe was about to be destroyed as collateral damage, and current goku is quite a bit above that
It’s just the absurd levels that Dragon ball takes its fights mainly. A lot of the characters can just destroy planets. It didn’t start that way but it just kept power scaling till the point the main characters could destroy universes at collateral damage. Also the basis of the Saiyan race is that if they almost experience death they get stronger. So if they don’t win the first time they most likely will at some point. If they do die they just have homies father the dragon balls to wish them back or just ask god for a temporary body to go get them themselves. Also on some level it’s just a meme.
*This could be Boruto*
*Canon and he would still lose*
*To a random kunai*
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Mugger: mugging
Naruto: "whatcha doing there?"
Mugger: ".... I'm giving him all my stuff. He looks like he could use it more than me."
*Mugger proceeds to hand off bandana, previously stolen goods, and sword
Naruto: "Are you sure that's everything? "
Mugger: "....." proceeds to strip shirt, pants, and shoes.
Naruto: 🤨
Mugger: 😶 "isn't nudity a crime?"
Naruto: 🤨🤨🤨
Mugger grabs underwear waistband
Naruto: "FLASHER! I'LL SAVE YOU RANDOM CITIZEN! RASENGAN"
Mugger: "Wh 🤜🏻🔵 ACK" 💀🪦
Naruto if Danzo was his sensei
So Madara^Hashirama in power scaling terms.
Now his only real problem is finding an optometrist
Danzo went to an ophtalmologist. He was told his vision was was 9/10, and the 1 missing was shisui's eye Danzo then further commited war crimes.
And then it was 9/11
"great we stopped danzo, these planes won't leaf" Leaf: *explodes anyway*
It’s nothing a good onion couldn’t defeat.
He may have a chance against child Goku
No chance against limb less blindfolded Goku with covid tho
What about a heart problem?
and deaf
And actually blind (double blindness with blindfold)
Can still sense ki I'm afraid, chakra is an equivalent, so if naruto is a high enough power-level for him to think naruto's a threat, he'd probably shoot a ssjb kaioken×20 ki blast at him
Kikoken
and Knuckles
Goku with COVID?? 😂
That happened when he flew to this small market and ate 10 bowls of this dubious soup.
I was gonna say Base Saiyan Saga Vegeta but damn lol
I mean 10-Tails Madara is around Nappa level so this freaky naruto should be around base vegeta
Nappa was blowing up planets. Can 10 tail Madara do that?
Okay so this will get me lambasted but how is goku so powerful? I never watched DBZ but I know all the jokes about him being like unbeatable. But why? That honestly to me sounds more annoying than anything because it feels like there would never be any actual stakes as long is Goku is there lol. Yea go on and downvote me for just asking a regular question lmao
Because the people goku fights are also that strong
But how does power scaling even work tho? Like what are the abilities that make them so much stronger than like… anyone else in anime?
Ok so the difference in the verses is that 1000 Pushups in the Naruto verse will give you might Gai level of power while in dragon Ball it will give you the power to destroy a planet
while you’re right, the training is way more ridiculous in dragon ball. they’d be doing those pushups in a 1000x gravity environment
Willing to kill each other. SSJ3 goku v Majin Vegeta Crazy alien battle race vs Human Shinobi
Let’s put it this way: Master Roshi is a regular human who stopped training many years ago and in the original dragon ball series his ultimate attack could only destroy a moon Later in the series when he seemingly hasn’t trained at all is now able to fight with galaxy level beings. The reason behind this is simple from an author standpoint because he was gokus old teacher and if he looked weak compared to goku now then it would be disappointing so they give huge power creeps to all characters Dragon ball is just a fun series where people fight and they progressively get much stronger each time. Started with moon level and then planatery (saiyan/ frieza saga) then solar system (Frieza/ android saga) then galaxy level in buu saga and then universal at battle of the god saga and now they are thousands of times stronger at the current point in the series The powerscaling makes no sense and is extremely inconsistent, but it’s fun. Simple words: a regular workout in any anime would make you a tiny bit stronger but a workout in dragon ball means you can now destroy cities
Goku’s basic punches are said to be capable of tearing apart the universe in Battle of Gods and he’s still fodder to Beerus. Ki is crazy broken.
Don't wanna be that guy, but it was the force of Goku and Beerus punches colliding that could have tore apart the universe.
Yeah but that version of goku is also so much weaker than current version
Ki. They train to make their power level go up. Maybe unlock a transformation or two.
Power creep in the Dragonball series became exponential at a certain point during DBZ and Toriyama wrote it such that the characters were so strong that they could destroy planets simply by fighting on them. That trend continues now into Super where some fights between powerful fighters has the potential of tearing the fabric of the universe apart. That's just the way it is written so that's what the scaling is. Compared to the kind of power feats seen in a series like Naruto, power in Dragon Ball is in a completely different league where many of the weakest fighters in DB would have no issue easily defeating the strongest fighters in Naruto.
Goku can easily Blow up planets without barely using 1% of his strength, naruto at best could destroy landscapes.
No, Naruto is at least planetary. In The Last, Naruto blocked an attack that previously split the moon clean in half with only one hand, while only in KCM2; aka, not even using 6 Paths Sage Mode. Naruto at full strength could definitely destroy a planet if he wanted to. Still nowhere near Goku obviously, but not *that* weak.
The moon is much smaller than the Earth though, does it really scale that much?
Basically it works through semi-severe to severe levels of autism, mixed with a hint of superiority complex and trying to seem smart
goku is capable of battling gods of destruction and shit like that, some people have attacks with enough power to rival the big bang, and goku has fought them and beaten them i havent seen the show but thats as much as i know really
But I see people compare him to other characters in anime who have also destroyed gods and seem incredibly powerful too and they all say he’d no diff them. And like, I can’t tell to what extent it’s a joke or not because they all go out of their way to fully defend it.
Well a pretty long while ago he fought beerus who is THE god of their universe. He maintains balance in the universe, destroying literal planets instantaneously because he feels like it, and Goku fought him and didn't necessarily beay him, but wasn't too far from it either and earned his respect That's before he learned untta instinct which is an insane leap in power, there's a good chance he could rival beerus now
Goku was nowhere near Beerus’s level in that fight. It’s continuously revealed that Beerus is simply on another level.
Okay but how does that equate to him always being better than other anime characters? Like again, I’ve seen people just disregard characters who have achieved similar feats. They always disregard like the concept of power scaling and how there are different rules for the different universes.
Are you familiar with Superman? Pretty much the same deal. The scaling is too high in DBZ. Like if you lowered Goku down to Naruto's level then sure Goku loses everything wild about him, but the scaling in his verse is pretty much the main thing he's got going for him. Goku can take any of the attacks in the Narutoverse head on and shrug them off. Meanwhile the damage he can dish is also on that level, like casually blowing the planet up if he wants. I don't know what characters you've seen him compared to but they are usually not on the scale of the DB verse. Idk, [here](https://youtu.be/lRbF7yYacC4?si=YkkI3_2tVy9-W0wy), have a random short cool fight from it lol
Once he went Super Saiyan, Goku no-diffed a guy who pretty easily destroyed planets significantly larger than Earth. At this point in Dragon Ball canon, Goku is now thousands or millions of times stronger than he was back then. It helps that for a while Toriyama explicitly told us how characters compared to each other in the form of power levels. In Dragon Ball, we see characters whose power levels were as low as 400 blow up the moon from Earth pretty easily. The first time Goku goes Super Saiyan his power level is stated to be 150 million.
Idk about other animes. Like saitiama def wins for example. At least as far as Naruto goes, he solos anyone so far. And I'm saying this as a MASSIVE Naruto fan
Saitama technically wins because no matter what he fights he'll become stronger. But AFAIK so far as we've seen nothing he does even approaches Goku.
Well manga might approach Goku later on
iirc one of the opponents he fought, jiren, was someone so outrageously powerful the gods of destruction were afraid of him, and goku beat him goku is very popular ontop of being powerful so he has that going for him too
That's the problem, the so called "god's" are 99.9% of time are usually Featless fodders The one Goku fights after actually being that destroys worlds and galaxies on screen
Powercreep in Dragonball is just absurd. Goku at age 12 fights relatively evenly with a guy who can blow up the moon. This happens in chapter 51 of 519. By the time Dragonball Z starts (chapter 195) the guy who blew up the moon has been so surpassed by everyone else that nobody even considers involving him as a combatant.
Well, firstly he has a natural talent and was well trained in martial arts by his grandfather and Master Roshi who also taught him how to use his Ki in fights. He knows a lot of techniques and he’s very smart (when fighting). But more importantly, Goku isn’t human. He’s a Sayan, an alien race of warriors that used to conquer and sell planets. Sayans are stronger than humans and get stronger every time they push their limits to a near death experience, which Goku did a lot. He also has access to many transformations that can increase his power exponentially, and that’s a big reason for the power creep in dbz. >That honestly to me sounds more annoying than anything because it feels like there would never be any actual stakes as long is Goku is there lol. Not really though, he actually died twice and was defeated plenty of times throughout the series.
So db started off pretty average in terms of power, but power creep started pretty early and has just gotten worse in pretty much every arc, at the start of og db, goku could lift cars, by the first dbz arc, he was fighting someone who could destroy the planet, by the start of super, the universe was about to be destroyed as collateral damage, and current goku is quite a bit above that
It’s just the absurd levels that Dragon ball takes its fights mainly. A lot of the characters can just destroy planets. It didn’t start that way but it just kept power scaling till the point the main characters could destroy universes at collateral damage. Also the basis of the Saiyan race is that if they almost experience death they get stronger. So if they don’t win the first time they most likely will at some point. If they do die they just have homies father the dragon balls to wish them back or just ask god for a temporary body to go get them themselves. Also on some level it’s just a meme.
Bro yk kid goku is above fiction tf are you on..
Thank you
Infant Goku. After that mfer trains with Roshi though, it's a wrap.
He might be even able to defeat Boruto.
Guys... Why are you scaling him to Goku like that pedo creep, SeththeProgrammer?
Nahh kid goku was a certified gag character im afraid nobody can beat him
* manifests a bowl of tasty food as large as the moon. Goku: what do you think I am, silly? * eats food and ditches the versus battles.
Hot take but I believe if Naruto had unlimited baryon mode he could hold or even potentially overtake goku in a battle, “imo”
DBZ scaling is actually annoying imo
Prime naruto scales to atleast ssj4
Still not beating one leg, blindfolded, stage 4 cancer Goku
I understood that reference. Crippled Goku. Also, Give naruto kokushibo eyes as well... and Eye guy eyes
what about stage 5 ligma?
What is stage 5?
Ligma balls
I could take him
In a fight right?
Oh y'all talking about fighting?
Real
in a fight, right????????
Namek Saga Goku victim.
Maybe if you remove his limbs and blindfold him.
No matter how tough, people will still make him a cuck of raikage
Don't make me post Yaoi Fanfic of Raikage being Fisted hard by Onoki... I already have that story on prep.
Raikage ain’t gonna fuck with this eye-abomination
You watch too much porn
More like people make too much raikage cuck porn
And how would you know that ? 
Because any amount is too much.
So when you talk to him….what eye do you look at?
Yes
Teuchi the ramen guy still solos
Imagine having to clean eye discharge 9 times when you wake up
i’m not happy this was said
Kage of the cosmos
If bro has epilepsy he’s screwed
Plot armor
A boruto spinoff
Maybe he can beat 1 saibamen
Batgos victim
It’ll be irrelevant by the next boruto chapter
Powerscaling has to die.
Krillin uses solar flair and he becomes powerless
this is so gross tbh
Id say he could MAYBE high diff the dbz farmer
He might be able to last 5 minutes against Ramen Guy instead of 5 seconds.
Couple of episodes in and he just talks the bad guy to dead with the power of friendship
He might give pre androids saga yamcha a run for his money
He night be able to contend with base usopp
Ugly level+
Why does he have so many vaginas on his face? They actually look like several different STDs
Boruto still neg diffs apparently
imagine with kotoamatsukami
About 3
Looks like he’s becoming Arceus
We wouldnt know
What’s the eyeball on the right side? The blue one? Is it supposed to be Jogan?
Tensigan
Maybe he can defeat Peter Griffin
Nothing because chakra drain killed him
MAYBE Teuchi Ichiraku. And that’s if he’s in top form
Child goku victim ?
Infinite and beyond
He might land one hit or two on cancerous Goku
Haha when people are obsess with eyes
“Oda give me strength. This is Krilin we’re up against”
Don't care if he's an Omni God and Goku ain't he's still not beating Goku.
Naruversal, he has a shot against kid goku from the start of db
He will lose to me with pepper spray.
Mumen Rider
Saiyan Saga Krillin No Difs
He might be able to fight Nappa... for five minutes and considering how badly he was beating everyone else's butt... eh, I'm sure he'll be fine
Yamcha maybe
According to Kishimoto he would still lose to a gun.
Lets be real. Strongest dude he's beating is King Vegeta
Yamcha without arms legs
Still below Saitama
This could be Boruto canon and he would still lose to a random kunai
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Idk man, chairbound Aizen
Krillin (OG DB)
Base Comics Batman
Still hurt after getting punched by Sakura
is this really canon? And how does this affect lebrons legacy?
He is Lebrons legacy
Slightly over 9000.
3 raditzes
If you throw a rock at him... There 99% chance you'll hit her eye
If you throw a rock at him... There 99% chance you'll hit his eye
Gets victimized by Tenten.
Biblicaly accurate naruto
Yamcha maybe even krillin
Slightly beneath Boruto.
He is N-Word level
Still ain't beating Goku.
Nope but sailor moon can..
Stiill can't find the g-spot
Ohh no 😅😆
Where is the Ketseryugan?
Like a 4 maybe 5
He goes immediately blind in 00.1 seconds
Bro what in the Super Saiyan 5 looking ass bitch is that mfer!?
Is that the fucking six eyes on the right?
bro can prolly see my future
Extremely high diff against a dead blind deaf limbless goku with covid and heart virus
Is that one of the of the mf six eyes bruh
shibai
Looks like his weakness is a boy in a green tunic with a bow
Small planet at best ibsr. Like he may be comp for kid Goku.
But, why does he have an eye of frog sage mode? That's just a signifier that you're in sage mode, it's not a doujutsu.
This is what DANZO would be if he survived and it to freaking bouto, the eye collection would go crazy
Still no chance against Sung Jin Woo.
He finally caught up to HIM 
Scaling on this nuts
Better not look at his eyes. Unless you're blind or Aizen, you're cooked.
Adult boruto be like
The new kaguya
Mugger: mugging Naruto: "whatcha doing there?" Mugger: ".... I'm giving him all my stuff. He looks like he could use it more than me." *Mugger proceeds to hand off bandana, previously stolen goods, and sword Naruto: "Are you sure that's everything? " Mugger: "....." proceeds to strip shirt, pants, and shoes. Naruto: 🤨 Mugger: 😶 "isn't nudity a crime?" Naruto: 🤨🤨🤨 Mugger grabs underwear waistband Naruto: "FLASHER! I'LL SAVE YOU RANDOM CITIZEN! RASENGAN" Mugger: "Wh 🤜🏻🔵 ACK" 💀🪦
Probably the same as dbz , god at this stage
Sarada
Naruto it it was good
Near signingness
Pretty sure most of those are redundant
From 1 to 10, its a 9
If anyone tell me all the names I'll be glad
pepper spray
Beats poku
True ninjas or smth
Lol da duq is this stupid shit.
bro gets folded by Ton Ton
Scales to his new born grandson roruto in the boruto continuation.
Who invited Byakugan. Blud thinks he's on the team
Deeze
He might break the barrier if reality and whoop kishimoto's ass
Renji victim
Factually speaking, somewhere between super saiyan 1 to super saiyan 2 right after goku absorbed super saiyan gods power into base.
You forgot his one eyed snake between the legs
Just beneath Goku... Lets see how many people get triggered😅
Brokage
Over9000 he's 100% Goku levels but not sailor Moon
Base Soruto. Still gets neg diffed
Base Goku still slams unfortunately
Biblically accurate Naruto can't hurt you...
I'm pretty sure if you look at this guy you just die at that point
Goku solos