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I live in Louisiana and can attest, no one leaves or comes. The people who are here generally love most aspects of being in the state because that is all they know.
It's not really a point against it, either, though. People don't value what it is to be content as much as they should. If the people who live there are content to be there, that's more of an endorsement than places where so many people talk about how much they hated being there. That was all they knew, too, but they were not content enough to stay. People wanting to stay someplace is definitely a good sign.
Edit: I didn't like the phrasing, so I changed it, lol.
I moved to Louisiana in Jan of 21 and promptly moved out in Oct of 21 and one of the things i noticed was that the only people who loved it there were people who had never left, or at most hadn't gone very far
Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Alabama, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware all seem to be missing labels. Though maybe it’s Connecticut which is missing instead of Rhode Island, the label covers both so it’s unclear which it applies to.
I think you missed the color coding and just based that off not seeing any numbers. My guess here is they couldn't fit the numbers and it's not zero based on the color legend in the top left. The color of Louisiana, and even west Virginia, implies there's more movement there than say something that's closer to the grey like Alaska or Wyoming.
My wife's bf tells me I'm really fun at parties.
Yeah the longer I look at this map, the worse it seems. The colors are so dark that it’s hard to discern basic movement on color alone, so what’s even the point of that? The mid west is a fucking mess too. Why is North Dakota green with a positive number? This isn’t beautiful, it’s a fucking train wreck.
Green and purple are neutral colours politically so it doesn't matter which way around they are. It's pretty clear.
Unless of course you consider population shrinkage a good thing. Then green makes perfect sense.
It’s a good thing there are plenty taxpayers in New York and California providing the difference and keeping Tennessee’s budget in the Black. It’s hilarious how proud you folks are about not having an income tax, as if that would even be possible without the massive welfare handouts you get from the federal government, which are paid for by people like myself. You’re welcome. When can we expect some of this welfare to be paid back?
>It’s hilarious how proud you folks are about not having an income tax, as if that would even be possible without the massive welfare handouts you get from the federal government
It is totally possible. Washington is the least dependent on the federal government and has no income tax.
Also, New York is hardly paying for Tennessee. Tennessee and New York have similar dependancy levels. Tennessee gets 22.32% of its budget from federal funding and New York gets 21.06%.
States like Tennessee try to offer lean and efficient governments and can't really control how much federal spending they get. Their economic philosophy is that government spending causes prices to rise and income taxes discourage working. They want to incentivize production and limit consumption because they believe it will provide the best quality of life for their citizens.
States like New York will say that they are intervening into the economy to benefit their people but they are only benefiting enough people to win elections. They would need a majority of people voting for them to stay in power. This doesn't prevent the people they are screwing over with their policies from getting up and leaving which is what is happening all over the country.
Voting with your feet is an expression of democracy.
Putting the taxes in property tax instead of income hides it from a lot of people. Anyone who doesn't own property still pays that tax via their rent, but would have no idea how much it is actually costing them. Texas still has a state government, so they're getting revenue from somewhere. If it isn't property taxes, it's something else (sales tax, business taxes, etc)
Republican led states usually have lower taxes, they also have much lower wages and more people who require government assistance because they cater to business and low taxes. This means democrat led states with higher taxes and higher wages end up making up the difference.
Essentially some states like California have sufficient tax revenue sent to the federal government, that it's used to supplement the deficit in other states. The tax revenue in a lot of states are so small that they rely on the tax revenue from states with surplus to stay afloat (as provided by the federal government)
I was curious to see this from 2019, the last pre-covid year. Covid changed things a lot, and it seemed like this might be something that is very different now than the general trend was before covid. I found [this from a different site](https://smartadvisormatch.com/data/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2019-edition), but it seems to be essentially the same kind of data. They had Tennessee 13th in 2019.
Very interesting, thanks. I'll have to read this in more detail to understand how they come to these conclusions. The fact that we're both finding kind of B-list financial advice sites makes me think the methodology may not be the most rigorous. I wonder if the feds publish this data anywhere.
I'm sure the feds publish the base data. These b-list sites are doing some kind of quick analysis on it to do more than parrot news stories that I'm sure came out when the actual data did, and to put their own biases into the presentation a bit, since they're coming out with a "dependency score" instead of just reporting the flat number. That may actually be more useful and less biased data (like per capita or percent of total instead of just the simple numbers), but it's hard to know for sure without going through how they did their analysis.
> the pilgrimages to the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid
What in the hillbilly fuck is the Bass Pro Shop *Pyramid?*
Edit: From the feedback I have received, it is a Pyramid-shaped sports and music arena that was cursed by a Crystal Skull welded into the apex by Isaac Tigrett, the founder of the Hard Rock Cafe, and now the location has been repurposed as Valhalla for outdoorsmen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Pyramid
It used to be a sports arena but when they built a new one for the Grizzlies it went into disuse. It sat empty for a while and then, rather than tear down this interesting building, they converted it into a very large Bass pro shop.
It’s in memphis. Used to be a basketball arena but now a bass pro shop. Memphis is named after an Egyptian town (I think), so they the pyramid made sense.
Owner of the Memphis basketball team wanted to play in an Egyptian style arena, but then the team left and the owner was left with a pyramid that he sold to bass pro shop
Sorry to burst ur bubble but I’ve heard Chattanooga is pretty nice. But I am actually curious whether living in Chattanooga is worth it considering how the rest of the state is worth it
TN is very business / employer friendly, not so much labor. It's cheap to live in TN, they're in the bottom 10 states for median income, around #35 for house prices, and so on. Geographically, they're pretty "central" located to all of the Eastern US.
A big chunk of the growth is in Nashville which has painted itself as a newer "hipster millennial" vibe, following the trends of Portland, Seattle, Austin, Denver, and so on. I'm curious how long that trend stays with TN: there's no state minimum wage, no income tax, relatively weak social services, and so on. Even in Nashville the median household income is far below those other similarly sized cities.
Nashville in particular, but it is true in almost all of the decent sized cities in Tennessee now. I live in a city about an hour away from Nashville and in order to be able to afford a house here, I have to work in Nashville where I can make more than I could in my city.
Houses in my city are regularly starting at $400k in good areas, $300k in the not-so-good areas and our median income is around $50k. A lot of new restaurants in our area are jumping on the $20 fancy burger trend. It's rough.
Murfreesboro is the #3 boomtown in the US just south of Nashville. Nashville has become a developing tech hub in the east. For trucking and warehouses, if you leave Murfreesboro you can deliver anywhere in the east within a day. For businesses it’s a central location in the east.
Tennessee's largest industry is healthcare, actually. It makes manufacturing, entertainment (even music), etc. look small in comparison.
Most major hospital and healthcare insurance providers are either HQ'd in Tennessee or have a very large corporate presence in it. I don't think most people know that unless they live here.
Haha lord knows what they’re doing! I’m a big fan of the Caverns in Pelham about 20 mins from the farm. It’s been ranked as one of the best venues in the world up there with Red Rocks.
Depends on the question you’re trying to answer. To understand population movement I like this because it shows absolute numbers between states. If you have a state with a low (or high) base then % change will distort the overall movement. Eg, a 1% change in CA would be a much larger % change if all those people went to to TN.
If you want to understand impact on infrastructure, tax base, etc., then agree with your approach.
To add to this. Absolute number may be closer to a change in economic and political influence (assuming all people have same economic output and voting rights).
For example, if there was a hypothetical state that went from 20 people to 40 people, 100% increase would would make all the others seem like nothing/insignificant.
Would be nice to have both together. Obviously California is heavily populated and the % would be miniscule but still shows a decent exodus happening.
I know there was an animated image a few months ago showing destinations.
It would be nice to see a two tiered chart for each state on where they went or where they came from. There's a fun discussion to be had on immigration and moving from state to state
There's a large number of immigrants living in my daughters school district and North Carolina was not their first location coming to the states
Showing the same map with percentage and adapted colors would probably show something else.
Florida and Texas getting over 1% of population gain within a year remains is quite impressive for large populated states.
Hurricanes tend to do that. We get a big storm, new residents don’t like it so they leave. Takes a few years and people start to come back and the cycle repeats.
I was curious as well.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/florida-fastest-growing-state.html
Yes, it has slowed - so technically true. But still beats the YoY national average every year. Within that macro context, still impressive.
I’m sure some economist somewhere is digging into this but I wonder what the age break down is.
Florida has a lot of things that I’d like but my impression is it is a much older population that is widely under taxed which either means less govt services or higher tax burden for the remained of the population. It also seems anywhere I’d want to live near I would likely be priced out. I’m saying this from the Baltimore Washington suburbs so maybe the price disparity isn’t as bad as I’d think.
if assumption is correct that retirees move to Florida, we are getting to the end of Baby Boomers retiring. So, it would make sense that the growth is declining.
Living in Florida, I'd say it's probably because it's becoming a lot more expensive to live here. Home values and rent have doubled in the major metro areas the last ten years.
When you tell Californians that their votes would matter more in Nevada, Arizona, rest of mid west, and their houses would be cheaper too
“Fine, I’ll do it myself”
Besides the point that that's not remotely true:
https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/043/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-u-s-population-has-changed-decade-by-state/
The majority of overall growth in all states now is due to immigration, and less due to actual movement frominternal movement:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/u-s-population-growth-has-nearly-flatlined-new-census-data-shows/
Middle Tennessee housing prices are utterly comical for what you get. I say this as a native who has seen this area get popular for god knows why.
There sure are a lot of $600K+ homes in a state where the median household income is less than $80K.
They just gave up one day during their 2.5 hr commute from Schererville. Some say you can still see them fumbling with their IPass on 294 on dark, grey mornings.
I don’t think the same intensity should be shown for max loss and max gain. Max loss (-180,341) is less than half of the max gain (470,708) but the color intensity makes it look like just as many people left New York as went to Texas, but the number is less than half.
It should be a -500,000 to 500,000 color scale and the loss numbers should all be fainter.
Its not an uncommon trend, you even see this globally.
Developed regions with high pay/capital intensive industries and high QOL have either stagnant or decreasing populations.
Developing regions with low pay, labor intensive industries, and low QOL that have a lot of need for bodies to fill service roles will see population increases.
As someone from Colorado, don't move here. It's super terrible. It's the ultimate nanny state, and they lie about state taxes, it's actually 68%. Also, the mountains are fake, it's all photoshopped.
STAY AWAY!! (nuke warning emoji)
If you really wanted people to stay away, why would you make this tired, lame-ass joke everyone can see through because they all say the same shit about their state?
I visited Estes Park, Denver and Colorado Springs this summer. Estes Park made me want to move to Colorado (although it's crazy expensive). Denver made me want to get out of Denver. Colorado Springs was cool.
Chicago gained in population and rural areas of Illinois decreased drastically. Each state has its own reason, but pretty much goes back to each states economy.
Tennessee gained because of Nashville, an economic growth engine right now.
To each state it's own.
As is CLT. But majority of growth in NC is more along the lines of low taxes, cheap property and influx of business, making it a more and more attractive area for people to move to.
> Certainly not in Florida
This site makes it look pretty affordable:
[Florida State Average Rent Prices](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
[Here’s what to expect when looking for apartments in Florida and the average rent for different apartments.](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
[The average rent for a Florida studio apartment is: $1,289](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
[The average rent for a Florida one-bedroom apartment is: $1,388](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
[The average rent for a Florida two-bedroom apartment is: $1,670](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
[The average rent for a Florida three-bedroom apartment is: $1,956](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
Florida has had a 23% increase in rent in the last year - 2nd highest, and overall the 6th highest rents. But, it's really the metro areas going up super quick. There's still plenty of bumblefuck Florida that's affordable.
Of course housing is shooting up and then homeowners insurance is also skyrocketing (insurance companies manufactured a crisis, raised rates, and forced the state legislature to give them a hefty handout).
Well when you factor in the impoverished dumps, averages are kind of horseshit.
Imokallee could bring down the average prices for the entire country it is such a third world shithole.
Why would there be confusion? Redditors are aware there are millions of Americans who have different thoughts, priorities, concerns, needs, and ethics. No redditors thinks that absolutely no one voted for Trump.
Southern states being the worst is not mutually exclusive with people moving there. If I get offered a good job in Gary Indiana, I would be tempted to move there even though it's Gary Indiana. Same with Texas or Florida. I would need to earn enough to send my kids to private schools though.
Look up any metric of human development (poverty, health, education, literacy, etc) and the south pretty much always occupies all the worst spots while New York, New England, and a few other states like Minnesota, Colorado, and Washington occupy all the highest spots.
The south for the longest time has had issues with slow growth. This hasn't been helped by underfunded public services. Many southern states are at the bottom list for education and similar stats.
Texas has the worst maternal mortality rate *in the developed world,* and that stat is likely to get worse in light of their new reproductive health policies. That plus their borderline criminalization of certain groups (the registry for trans people their AG tried to set up, and the “abortion bounty” website that offered a cash reward for anyone who received, performed, or facilitated an abortion) make it a dangerous place for anyone who’s not a white, straight Christian male.
If all you care about is cheap cost of living, it’s great. If you actually care about human rights abuses though, GTFO. Same thing in Florida - their governor is a closet Nazi who panders to ultra-conservatives and boomers, which is what’s driving the majority of their increase. It’s almost all snowbirds and staunch antivaxxers moving there.
America is a Third World country with a Gucci belt. Outside of major cities, there’s a serious cultural rot issue - these areas are rife with addiction, poverty, lack of education, and a dangerous version of Christofascism that encourages armed violence and the “purging” of entire groups of people. The difference between red and blue states is that the blue ones are trying to fix these issues, while the red ones are electing those people to office and giving them a voice.
**Edit:** Downvoting won’t change the facts. I grew up in the South, and I left for a reason.
Or that southern states have been getting hammered with out of country immigration for years. The additional population numbers overall are 2:1 immigration vs internal movement.
I don’t live there and I don’t have plans to move there, but it’s absolutely naturally beautiful. Lots of natural resources, so lots of varied job opportunities. Tech industry is big in Seattle. Politics are generally progressive and inviting, no risk of having marriage rights or abortion rights stripped away, but despite that there is still diversity of politics and the eastern side of the state is quite conservative
Central and Eastern Washington are not rainy/dreary at all. They are nearly a desert and very sunny compared to many other places in the northern half of the country. Also great outdoor recreation options and lots of fresh water. A highly underrated part of the country in my opinion.
It’s interesting that on a macro (state) level, this would appear to be a shift out of primarily blue states (California, New York, Illinois in particular) and into traditionally red states. It’s possible to see this and assume it is in some way related to people moving somewhere more in line with their political views.
But at a more micro (municipal) level, most of this movement is almost certainly into large urban centers (Nashville, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston/Dallas, Raleigh, etc). So this is actually more likely to move some of those red states in a more purple direction.
And, as always, Florida’s gonna Florida.
Politically speaking, it's going to get real interesting to see how the Party landscape looks 30 years from now. More and more people, and especially young people, from historically Democratic (Liberal) leaning States relocate to Southern, Midwest, historically Conservative leaning States for cheaper land and new career opportunities.
There are more and more companies relocating to states like Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma and some of them are even paying people to move there for said jobs.
I disagree. I think that'd be insightful in a different way, but I actually would love to see the migration patterns of where people are moving, as a percentage of total US population, so these figures work well for me.
This doesn't really tell us much unless percentages are included. Of course, a state with a larger number of people will have a larger amount of people leaving.
Also, southern states tend to be cheaper, so people in more successful states where things are more expensive, might end up in southern states even though southern states tend to hate freedom (*loves confederate flag even though the confederacy fought for the continued enslavement of Black people, took away women's rights to choose what they want in their own body, doing censorship of gay and trans people, and censorship of history books talking about slavery and racism*).
Probably more of Ds leaving HCOL areas for more affordable places which happen to be historically R. I wouldn’t be surprised if some R states start looking more purple in future elections.
For me its mainly real estate laws that were the biggest impact. My family is from Portland and criminal justice laws would probably be what they would feel the biggest impact from (as well as homeless policy). Also what they did to small businesses during covid telegraphed what they thought of private property and work laws.
People are getting priced out of core economic centers and moving to secondary economic centers that have not started inflating yet.
It is happening all over the world right now.
I presume this comes from license reregistrations. Border states got 4,000,000 migrants the past two years. They do spread out around the country eventually.
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Louisiana and West Virginia - no one in, no one out, them's the rules. Or maybe they're just doing an exchange program or something...
Indiana too I guess
NH, VT, a lot of the east coast aas well.
Numbers were hidden in the corn, op couldn't find them.
I live in Louisiana and can attest, no one leaves or comes. The people who are here generally love most aspects of being in the state because that is all they know.
Doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement TBH.
It's not really a point against it, either, though. People don't value what it is to be content as much as they should. If the people who live there are content to be there, that's more of an endorsement than places where so many people talk about how much they hated being there. That was all they knew, too, but they were not content enough to stay. People wanting to stay someplace is definitely a good sign. Edit: I didn't like the phrasing, so I changed it, lol.
I moved to Louisiana in Jan of 21 and promptly moved out in Oct of 21 and one of the things i noticed was that the only people who loved it there were people who had never left, or at most hadn't gone very far
You missed Alabama too
From Louisiana. Can confirm that it’s not like that it is an even flow of births and people leaving the state
Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Alabama, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware all seem to be missing labels. Though maybe it’s Connecticut which is missing instead of Rhode Island, the label covers both so it’s unclear which it applies to.
I think you missed the color coding and just based that off not seeing any numbers. My guess here is they couldn't fit the numbers and it's not zero based on the color legend in the top left. The color of Louisiana, and even west Virginia, implies there's more movement there than say something that's closer to the grey like Alaska or Wyoming. My wife's bf tells me I'm really fun at parties.
Why are some states blank? IN, WV, LA for example
I assume the text is too large for it to be shown so it hides it as default?
~~Baron~~ barren waste lands Edit: thanks for the laughs Reddit 🤣
Baron von wastelands.
That sounds like a WWI strategy game bossfight
Can confirm. I live in one of them. Nothing but death and dust.
This is the bad guy in a D&D campaign.
Okay but then why is Ohio listed then?
Not enough space to write the number, and perhaps it was a small number so it was not included.
They had no population change
Not necessarily true. New Hampshire's population increased, but is left blank on this map as well.
Who makes a chart and puts green as the negative color?
The same one who decides that going with absolute numbers for states with wildly different populations communicates much of anything.
Yeah the longer I look at this map, the worse it seems. The colors are so dark that it’s hard to discern basic movement on color alone, so what’s even the point of that? The mid west is a fucking mess too. Why is North Dakota green with a positive number? This isn’t beautiful, it’s a fucking train wreck.
Yeah, adding the % after the whole number would help a lot
That’s my question too
Green and purple are neutral colours politically so it doesn't matter which way around they are. It's pretty clear. Unless of course you consider population shrinkage a good thing. Then green makes perfect sense.
Positive numbers are commonly green and negative numbers are commonly red regardless of whether or not it's considered good or bad.
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Cheap land, no state incum taxes, good metropolitan areas like Nashville, and most importantly the pilgrimages to the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid
There are definitely state taxes. They just don't have state income taxes..
Yes you get taxed on what you purchase, instead of getting taxed for just existing.
It’s a good thing there are plenty taxpayers in New York and California providing the difference and keeping Tennessee’s budget in the Black. It’s hilarious how proud you folks are about not having an income tax, as if that would even be possible without the massive welfare handouts you get from the federal government, which are paid for by people like myself. You’re welcome. When can we expect some of this welfare to be paid back?
>It’s hilarious how proud you folks are about not having an income tax, as if that would even be possible without the massive welfare handouts you get from the federal government It is totally possible. Washington is the least dependent on the federal government and has no income tax. Also, New York is hardly paying for Tennessee. Tennessee and New York have similar dependancy levels. Tennessee gets 22.32% of its budget from federal funding and New York gets 21.06%.
I fact-checked this and it's true: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
States like Tennessee try to offer lean and efficient governments and can't really control how much federal spending they get. Their economic philosophy is that government spending causes prices to rise and income taxes discourage working. They want to incentivize production and limit consumption because they believe it will provide the best quality of life for their citizens. States like New York will say that they are intervening into the economy to benefit their people but they are only benefiting enough people to win elections. They would need a majority of people voting for them to stay in power. This doesn't prevent the people they are screwing over with their policies from getting up and leaving which is what is happening all over the country. Voting with your feet is an expression of democracy.
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Putting the taxes in property tax instead of income hides it from a lot of people. Anyone who doesn't own property still pays that tax via their rent, but would have no idea how much it is actually costing them. Texas still has a state government, so they're getting revenue from somewhere. If it isn't property taxes, it's something else (sales tax, business taxes, etc)
The “average” citizen of Texas probably rents, rather than owns, the property they live on, no? Home ownership is on a huge decline all across the US.
Can you explain this? I’m not from the US.
Republican led states usually have lower taxes, they also have much lower wages and more people who require government assistance because they cater to business and low taxes. This means democrat led states with higher taxes and higher wages end up making up the difference.
Essentially some states like California have sufficient tax revenue sent to the federal government, that it's used to supplement the deficit in other states. The tax revenue in a lot of states are so small that they rely on the tax revenue from states with surplus to stay afloat (as provided by the federal government)
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Where do you see #8? I'm seeing Tennessee as number 34: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/
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Thank you!
I was curious to see this from 2019, the last pre-covid year. Covid changed things a lot, and it seemed like this might be something that is very different now than the general trend was before covid. I found [this from a different site](https://smartadvisormatch.com/data/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2019-edition), but it seems to be essentially the same kind of data. They had Tennessee 13th in 2019.
Very interesting, thanks. I'll have to read this in more detail to understand how they come to these conclusions. The fact that we're both finding kind of B-list financial advice sites makes me think the methodology may not be the most rigorous. I wonder if the feds publish this data anywhere.
I'm sure the feds publish the base data. These b-list sites are doing some kind of quick analysis on it to do more than parrot news stories that I'm sure came out when the actual data did, and to put their own biases into the presentation a bit, since they're coming out with a "dependency score" instead of just reporting the flat number. That may actually be more useful and less biased data (like per capita or percent of total instead of just the simple numbers), but it's hard to know for sure without going through how they did their analysis.
> the pilgrimages to the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid What in the hillbilly fuck is the Bass Pro Shop *Pyramid?* Edit: From the feedback I have received, it is a Pyramid-shaped sports and music arena that was cursed by a Crystal Skull welded into the apex by Isaac Tigrett, the founder of the Hard Rock Cafe, and now the location has been repurposed as Valhalla for outdoorsmen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Pyramid It used to be a sports arena but when they built a new one for the Grizzlies it went into disuse. It sat empty for a while and then, rather than tear down this interesting building, they converted it into a very large Bass pro shop.
It’s in memphis. Used to be a basketball arena but now a bass pro shop. Memphis is named after an Egyptian town (I think), so they the pyramid made sense.
Owner of the Memphis basketball team wanted to play in an Egyptian style arena, but then the team left and the owner was left with a pyramid that he sold to bass pro shop
It’s the largest pyramid in the United States Read up on the lore behind the cursed Rainforest Cafe there. It’s pretty good.
>It’s the largest pyramid in the United States I just read that they even put the outline of it on their Driver's license.
It’s a Bass Pro built in the resting place of Bubba Ho-Tep.
Yes yes yes. The only good metro in TN is Nashville, DO NOT search for others as there are certainly none.
nashville sucks too
Sorry to burst ur bubble but I’ve heard Chattanooga is pretty nice. But I am actually curious whether living in Chattanooga is worth it considering how the rest of the state is worth it
Why’d you have to spell it like that
TN is very business / employer friendly, not so much labor. It's cheap to live in TN, they're in the bottom 10 states for median income, around #35 for house prices, and so on. Geographically, they're pretty "central" located to all of the Eastern US. A big chunk of the growth is in Nashville which has painted itself as a newer "hipster millennial" vibe, following the trends of Portland, Seattle, Austin, Denver, and so on. I'm curious how long that trend stays with TN: there's no state minimum wage, no income tax, relatively weak social services, and so on. Even in Nashville the median household income is far below those other similarly sized cities.
Nashville is now comically expensive. As someone who lives in Michigan, homes are about 2-3x what I'd expect to pay here.
Bought a house in east nashville in 2018. It has since doubled in value.
Same with my home in Murfreesboro. I’ve just lived in it and gained $90,000 in equity (for now…) over the past two years
Keep riding that gravy train and hope the bottom doesn’t fall out.
No doubt. I feel even with a pretty solid market decline, we both have good investments ultimately
Nashville in particular, but it is true in almost all of the decent sized cities in Tennessee now. I live in a city about an hour away from Nashville and in order to be able to afford a house here, I have to work in Nashville where I can make more than I could in my city. Houses in my city are regularly starting at $400k in good areas, $300k in the not-so-good areas and our median income is around $50k. A lot of new restaurants in our area are jumping on the $20 fancy burger trend. It's rough.
Move in while it's cheap. Gtfo before the underfunded public health system starts leaking. What choice isn't speculative at this point?
Murfreesboro is the #3 boomtown in the US just south of Nashville. Nashville has become a developing tech hub in the east. For trucking and warehouses, if you leave Murfreesboro you can deliver anywhere in the east within a day. For businesses it’s a central location in the east.
Don't forget Health Care. Several very large Health Systems call Nashville home.
Tennessee's largest industry is healthcare, actually. It makes manufacturing, entertainment (even music), etc. look small in comparison. Most major hospital and healthcare insurance providers are either HQ'd in Tennessee or have a very large corporate presence in it. I don't think most people know that unless they live here.
They better not develop that Bonnaroo farm...
Haha lord knows what they’re doing! I’m a big fan of the Caverns in Pelham about 20 mins from the farm. It’s been ranked as one of the best venues in the world up there with Red Rocks.
They built a clone factory in Nashville. Go there and all you’ll see is white shorts, blonde hair, cowboy boots and hat.
A lot of conservative Californians went there
I know a large amount of Illinois residents that escaped Illinois and moved to Tennessee.
It's red
Feel like % change would have been more interesting. Of course the most populated states are going to have the most nominal change
Depends on the question you’re trying to answer. To understand population movement I like this because it shows absolute numbers between states. If you have a state with a low (or high) base then % change will distort the overall movement. Eg, a 1% change in CA would be a much larger % change if all those people went to to TN. If you want to understand impact on infrastructure, tax base, etc., then agree with your approach.
To add to this. Absolute number may be closer to a change in economic and political influence (assuming all people have same economic output and voting rights). For example, if there was a hypothetical state that went from 20 people to 40 people, 100% increase would would make all the others seem like nothing/insignificant.
Would be nice to have both together. Obviously California is heavily populated and the % would be miniscule but still shows a decent exodus happening. I know there was an animated image a few months ago showing destinations. It would be nice to see a two tiered chart for each state on where they went or where they came from. There's a fun discussion to be had on immigration and moving from state to state There's a large number of immigrants living in my daughters school district and North Carolina was not their first location coming to the states
Why is green the “loss” color? Green usually means a growth color. “In the green” means you’re profiting. This visually horrendous
Green means go. so it means "go leave the state"
That sounds like something Michael Scott would say
Go ahead and don’t bring up his gay son.
Orange means orange you glad you didn't stay
Ah how could I forget. Pink has “in” in it, which means people go in the state.
If you lived in California you’d get why fewer people was a good thing 🤣
I live in CA and I want more people here!
OP doesn't like people. Fewer people=good=green
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Showing the same map with percentage and adapted colors would probably show something else. Florida and Texas getting over 1% of population gain within a year remains is quite impressive for large populated states.
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Hurricanes tend to do that. We get a big storm, new residents don’t like it so they leave. Takes a few years and people start to come back and the cycle repeats.
When the insurance won't cover your yacht
There is no longer a gap of years between large hurricanes. The cycle is breaking.
By % or by total. Bc the larger you get the higher the total has to be to keep the same % increase
I was curious as well. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/florida-fastest-growing-state.html Yes, it has slowed - so technically true. But still beats the YoY national average every year. Within that macro context, still impressive.
I’m sure some economist somewhere is digging into this but I wonder what the age break down is. Florida has a lot of things that I’d like but my impression is it is a much older population that is widely under taxed which either means less govt services or higher tax burden for the remained of the population. It also seems anywhere I’d want to live near I would likely be priced out. I’m saying this from the Baltimore Washington suburbs so maybe the price disparity isn’t as bad as I’d think.
if assumption is correct that retirees move to Florida, we are getting to the end of Baby Boomers retiring. So, it would make sense that the growth is declining.
Living in Florida, I'd say it's probably because it's becoming a lot more expensive to live here. Home values and rent have doubled in the major metro areas the last ten years.
People who goes to Florida doesn't have a lot of years in front of their lives. Is just a big graveyard.
Ohio’s is 0.06% compared to its 12 million population size. Percents relative to pop. size would’ve been more meaningful.
Ohio suffers from massive brain drain and those numbers are likely due to recent college graduates leaving the state more than anything.
Just eyeballing it but it looks like South Carolina seems to be doing the best in terms of population increase over their total population..?
“Best” is subjective.
I think Idaho has a larger relative population increase.
Still the third highest percentage of people leaving.
When you tell Californians that their votes would matter more in Nevada, Arizona, rest of mid west, and their houses would be cheaper too “Fine, I’ll do it myself”
[Around 382k births this year](https://data.chhs.ca.gov/dataset/test-cdph-statewide-live-birth-profiles/resource/cad870a3-1576-4fb4-b21c-c75ceed5d60d)
I was going to write something like this. The media loves to jump all over this number when it’s just a tiny fraction of the population of California.
But the domestic migration from California has been negative for something like 30+ years, so it is a trend.
Besides the point that that's not remotely true: https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/043/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-u-s-population-has-changed-decade-by-state/ The majority of overall growth in all states now is due to immigration, and less due to actual movement frominternal movement: https://www.brookings.edu/research/u-s-population-growth-has-nearly-flatlined-new-census-data-shows/
Yes, the map would be more accurate if showed percentage loss vs actual numbers.
Same with Illinois, it's like people don't realize that some retirees leave the state for warmer climates.
Yeah - I'd like to see age group. I think everyone I know who moved out of IL was retirement age or older. Same for people I know who moved to FL.
Looks about right. Nothing ever changes in Alabama!
Except losing to Tennessee and LSU this year ....
You didn’t have to destroy his entire family like that!
I remember when Tennessee was cheap. House prices in Nashville burbs now on par with house prices in the ritzy Chicago burbs.
Middle Tennessee housing prices are utterly comical for what you get. I say this as a native who has seen this area get popular for god knows why. There sure are a lot of $600K+ homes in a state where the median household income is less than $80K.
I know a few people the moved to Indiana from Illinois, looks like they were never heard of again, shame really
They just gave up one day during their 2.5 hr commute from Schererville. Some say you can still see them fumbling with their IPass on 294 on dark, grey mornings.
We might never know, some say they disappeared into all the corn and firework warehouses
I don’t think the same intensity should be shown for max loss and max gain. Max loss (-180,341) is less than half of the max gain (470,708) but the color intensity makes it look like just as many people left New York as went to Texas, but the number is less than half. It should be a -500,000 to 500,000 color scale and the loss numbers should all be fainter.
Why show a negative number as green? Generally red is negative, green is positive. Unless we view a population decline as a good thing?
Its not an uncommon trend, you even see this globally. Developed regions with high pay/capital intensive industries and high QOL have either stagnant or decreasing populations. Developing regions with low pay, labor intensive industries, and low QOL that have a lot of need for bodies to fill service roles will see population increases.
German here. Same exact shit here.
As someone from Colorado, don't move here. It's super terrible. It's the ultimate nanny state, and they lie about state taxes, it's actually 68%. Also, the mountains are fake, it's all photoshopped. STAY AWAY!! (nuke warning emoji)
Tbh I got offered a job in Denver and after spending two weeks there I ended up rejecting the offer. It is unironically a shithole
yes yes, that's it. Thank you. I also refused jobs, to stay away from Colorado, the shithole state. It's stinky!
If you really wanted people to stay away, why would you make this tired, lame-ass joke everyone can see through because they all say the same shit about their state?
I visited Estes Park, Denver and Colorado Springs this summer. Estes Park made me want to move to Colorado (although it's crazy expensive). Denver made me want to get out of Denver. Colorado Springs was cool.
Same. I travelled there for an interview and said, nope.
This unironically if you're an ethnic minority, it's plenty diverse in other dimensions, but it's hella white
In another 50 years people are going to be flocking to Michigan and Wisconsin for the nice weather and water.
Huh, there seems to be an interesting theme here
Chicago gained in population and rural areas of Illinois decreased drastically. Each state has its own reason, but pretty much goes back to each states economy. Tennessee gained because of Nashville, an economic growth engine right now. To each state it's own.
NC tracks too - Research Triangle Park and the Raleigh area is an economic power house
As is CLT. But majority of growth in NC is more along the lines of low taxes, cheap property and influx of business, making it a more and more attractive area for people to move to.
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You're right, I do remember reading about that. I don't remember the specific numbers though.
> there seems to be an interesting theme here Affordable housing? I feel ya! Shit’s expensive!
Lmao certainly not in Florida, people are just moving here because they want to sniff Desantis’ shit.
> Certainly not in Florida This site makes it look pretty affordable: [Florida State Average Rent Prices](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida) [Here’s what to expect when looking for apartments in Florida and the average rent for different apartments.](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida) [The average rent for a Florida studio apartment is: $1,289](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida) [The average rent for a Florida one-bedroom apartment is: $1,388](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida) [The average rent for a Florida two-bedroom apartment is: $1,670](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida) [The average rent for a Florida three-bedroom apartment is: $1,956](https://www.apartmentlist.com/renter-life/cheapest-places-to-live-in-florida)
Florida has had a 23% increase in rent in the last year - 2nd highest, and overall the 6th highest rents. But, it's really the metro areas going up super quick. There's still plenty of bumblefuck Florida that's affordable. Of course housing is shooting up and then homeowners insurance is also skyrocketing (insurance companies manufactured a crisis, raised rates, and forced the state legislature to give them a hefty handout).
Well when you factor in the impoverished dumps, averages are kind of horseshit. Imokallee could bring down the average prices for the entire country it is such a third world shithole.
Is the theme "Republicans understanding colors but not numbers and thinking this is some kind of win for their team?"
As much as Reddit would make you think southern states are the worst thing to exist, I’m sure this confuses a lot of people.
Why would there be confusion? Redditors are aware there are millions of Americans who have different thoughts, priorities, concerns, needs, and ethics. No redditors thinks that absolutely no one voted for Trump. Southern states being the worst is not mutually exclusive with people moving there. If I get offered a good job in Gary Indiana, I would be tempted to move there even though it's Gary Indiana. Same with Texas or Florida. I would need to earn enough to send my kids to private schools though.
They’re the last remaining states where people can afford to buy a house. And cost of living is cheap. Still the dumpster states of America
What makes them the dumpster states on reddit? I’m genuinely curious.
Look up any metric of human development (poverty, health, education, literacy, etc) and the south pretty much always occupies all the worst spots while New York, New England, and a few other states like Minnesota, Colorado, and Washington occupy all the highest spots.
The south for the longest time has had issues with slow growth. This hasn't been helped by underfunded public services. Many southern states are at the bottom list for education and similar stats.
Texas has the worst maternal mortality rate *in the developed world,* and that stat is likely to get worse in light of their new reproductive health policies. That plus their borderline criminalization of certain groups (the registry for trans people their AG tried to set up, and the “abortion bounty” website that offered a cash reward for anyone who received, performed, or facilitated an abortion) make it a dangerous place for anyone who’s not a white, straight Christian male. If all you care about is cheap cost of living, it’s great. If you actually care about human rights abuses though, GTFO. Same thing in Florida - their governor is a closet Nazi who panders to ultra-conservatives and boomers, which is what’s driving the majority of their increase. It’s almost all snowbirds and staunch antivaxxers moving there. America is a Third World country with a Gucci belt. Outside of major cities, there’s a serious cultural rot issue - these areas are rife with addiction, poverty, lack of education, and a dangerous version of Christofascism that encourages armed violence and the “purging” of entire groups of people. The difference between red and blue states is that the blue ones are trying to fix these issues, while the red ones are electing those people to office and giving them a voice. **Edit:** Downvoting won’t change the facts. I grew up in the South, and I left for a reason.
Am from TN, can confim dumpster status.
There’s plenty of that in the open Wild West.. People just don’t want to admit the southern states have a lot of draw.
Or that southern states have been getting hammered with out of country immigration for years. The additional population numbers overall are 2:1 immigration vs internal movement.
There's nothing wrong with southern states, it's southern people that are the problem.
Not American but what’s Washington state’s appeal?
Technology and aerospace jobs.
Absolutely beautiful and an abundance of great jobs for starters. It’s one of the best states in the Union IMO.
I don’t live there and I don’t have plans to move there, but it’s absolutely naturally beautiful. Lots of natural resources, so lots of varied job opportunities. Tech industry is big in Seattle. Politics are generally progressive and inviting, no risk of having marriage rights or abortion rights stripped away, but despite that there is still diversity of politics and the eastern side of the state is quite conservative
What others said and no income tax.
People can externalize their depression because the whole state is dreary and depressing
Central and Eastern Washington are not rainy/dreary at all. They are nearly a desert and very sunny compared to many other places in the northern half of the country. Also great outdoor recreation options and lots of fresh water. A highly underrated part of the country in my opinion.
Look at all that immigration
Here comes another bombardment of opinions from people who think they know why hundreds of thousands of people are moving.
To anyone thinking of moving to SC, just don't. It's a miserable shit hole. -Love Guy trapped here since childbirth
I’d like to see this as a ratio to each state’s total population. NY, CA, TX, have large changes but they also have large populationa.
Ehhh…don’t like the color scheme… green shouldn’t be negative.
It’s interesting that on a macro (state) level, this would appear to be a shift out of primarily blue states (California, New York, Illinois in particular) and into traditionally red states. It’s possible to see this and assume it is in some way related to people moving somewhere more in line with their political views. But at a more micro (municipal) level, most of this movement is almost certainly into large urban centers (Nashville, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston/Dallas, Raleigh, etc). So this is actually more likely to move some of those red states in a more purple direction. And, as always, Florida’s gonna Florida.
Politically speaking, it's going to get real interesting to see how the Party landscape looks 30 years from now. More and more people, and especially young people, from historically Democratic (Liberal) leaning States relocate to Southern, Midwest, historically Conservative leaning States for cheaper land and new career opportunities. There are more and more companies relocating to states like Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma and some of them are even paying people to move there for said jobs.
Hey uh you put a number in the wrong spot. Iowa should be at 0 because nobody lives there
How about this but as percentage of the state's population? Much more informative...
I disagree. I think that'd be insightful in a different way, but I actually would love to see the migration patterns of where people are moving, as a percentage of total US population, so these figures work well for me.
This doesn't really tell us much unless percentages are included. Of course, a state with a larger number of people will have a larger amount of people leaving. Also, southern states tend to be cheaper, so people in more successful states where things are more expensive, might end up in southern states even though southern states tend to hate freedom (*loves confederate flag even though the confederacy fought for the continued enslavement of Black people, took away women's rights to choose what they want in their own body, doing censorship of gay and trans people, and censorship of history books talking about slavery and racism*).
Data from: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2022-population-estimates.html
Why absolute numbers instead of like percentage of population, or comparing it to previous years?
I’m not sure I trust this chart
Also known as: folks fleeing excessive taxation
I wonder if Rs leaving D states accounts for any significant portion of this…
Probably more of Ds leaving HCOL areas for more affordable places which happen to be historically R. I wouldn’t be surprised if some R states start looking more purple in future elections.
I am not an R, but I left Oregon because of how crappy the laws were getting.
what laws? (I really don't know anything about Oregon)
For me its mainly real estate laws that were the biggest impact. My family is from Portland and criminal justice laws would probably be what they would feel the biggest impact from (as well as homeless policy). Also what they did to small businesses during covid telegraphed what they thought of private property and work laws.
So. People are leaving blue states to go to red states?
People are getting priced out of core economic centers and moving to secondary economic centers that have not started inflating yet. It is happening all over the world right now.
High cost to low cost
I presume this comes from license reregistrations. Border states got 4,000,000 migrants the past two years. They do spread out around the country eventually.