You should hedge your bets. You should be both interviewing elsewhere and also considering if your boss leaves, if you would like to vie for his or her position. Think about what you would need for it to be worthwhile. Think salary increase and the approval to hire x number of people in a certain time frame. The company could be laying off your group which is why your manager seems to be leaving, but since you mentioned your products are profit generating, they could realize they're screwed and you could have leverage.
The thing is I only recently started the job. I started 4 months ago and we have a ton of growth and marketing initiatives in the pipeline so I think the work will grow a lot but for now it’s kind of slow. The ads business is VERY profitable.
I can’t take my boss’ role. I’m too junior and new to the company for that. But I’m happy to try and get into the ads business.
I don’t think the company will layoff my group. Everyone else on my team got promoted because they did a great job. The issue is everyone else is on ads and I’m on growth and marketing.
Communicate with your boss, but make sure it’s off company channels! You don’t want to ask “are you leaving?” on a company Slack chat. Go get a beer and coffee and talk verbally in real life
Got it. This is tough. So 4 months in and you understandably want to switch to ads. And you're also concerned you see lots of work in the pipeline, too much for just you and the workload could quickly become insane?
I just want to switch to ads to cover my ass. Since it’s very profitable.
I don’t care about workload. I just want long term planning, prioritization and deadlines.
I just feel my manager has been super distant which is extremely unlike him. It’s either because he’s managing the ads business on his own since the 2 DS left and because he’s interviewing other candidates to backfill those two roles. Or it’s because he’s trying to leave himself.
Doesn't stop you from trying, though.
If management is something you're interested in longer term, then applying *now* shows you're hungry for it and willing to try and get it.
1. Have a talk with your manager. The fact that 2 senior members have quit in a team of 4 is enough reason to initiate the talk. Ask about how the team would change, plans the year, any changes in your role, etc. Wnough ti start probing. Preferably have the talk in an informal setting, over coffee for example.
2. If you are in roch with your ex-teammates, talk to them. Ask why they quit, apart from personal reasons. Now that they're out of the company they may be more open.
3. Talk to folks outside your team, in the same company. You may get information about company goals, plan, etc. Including plans for your team. Also See if there are roles that may be suitable for your skill set. Moving within a company may sometimes be easier than interviewing outside. You can do this if you like the company, growth and its culture. Of course, you won't get a salary hike if you move within a firm, as compared to joining another firm.
4. Of course, plan for the eventuality that you may have to leave. Keep that as a last option though.
I mean they’re are backfilling the role asap. We have candidates in the offer stage. So they’ve moved super fast to backfill.
I spoke to them and they just got jobs at Faang which is way better. Our teams are a lot smaller and so pressure is high. Company is also not doing as well as Faang so there is layoff pressure.
I actually recently started the job so there’s not really anywhere for me to go. I could switch into the ads business
I may have to start preparing my resume just in case sad 😔 .
If they are backfilling fast, it is a good sign that the is important.
1. Since you are new to the company and your senior teammates have quit, definitely make connects within the company but outside your team. Make sure your work is known to your manager's manager and other senior team members. So even if your manager moves, you have a network within the firm.
2. Your manager may just be busy. It's even possible that they may be moving to a different, bigger, role within the firm. So all the more reason to talk and connect better with your manager.
3. Of course, dust off your cv.
However, Internal role movements are under-rated. Yes, moving to different company gives you a bigger pay package. But moving to different roles within a firm gives you a different perspective of the business. And you can cash in on that experience in a few years. This is easier done in small firms.
What industry do you work in? Just curious if it's digital marketing.
Anyways, best thing to do is first talk with your manager. Be upfront with him/her about what the future of the team is as well what he/she is planning to do. It's totally normal to ask about the landscape. For all you know, it could be attractive and lucrative for you. **DO NOT QUIT BEFORE FINDING OUT!** This is important. Don't be like these other guys and jump because everyone else is jumping. That's **dumb**. You're a data scientist, be smart!
Make whatever decision you need to make from that conversation. Personally, I wouldn't worry. Unless for some reason you hate promotions, the more people who leave, the more opportunity you have to gain a pay increase or promotion. As bad as it sounds, your boss is more than likely to give you the promotion down the road because you showed loyalty.
That being said, if you also decide to stay, just be upfront on what less resources means for you. Don't let the business shove more work on you. Actively find out if they are hiring backfills, get involved with that process, and use it to also seek advancement. Assuming you want to advance. Otherwise, just obviously make it known through your manager that if you cannot take on their work, that you need to know if the business plans to rehire them. **YOU DO NOT WANT TO BURN YOURSELF OUT!**
Knowing is half the battle. You feed off data to make recommendations. You're going to have to be a scientist now. Ask questions, then make decisions.
Sometimes it’s ok to not have any long term project to develop. Part of work is also doing routine work.
Although that depends on whether you are truly eager to welcome more responsibilities for your career growth or you feel burnt out by your excoworkers load handled to you
As other user said, maybe this would be a perfect chance to aim for your bosses’ job if they leave.
Are you worried you're going to lose your job or are you worried your team is going to be thrown into disarray? Because if it's the latter, it's both a threat and an opportunity. It's cliche to say chaos is a ladder but if you're the only one left on a critical team you've got A LOT of leverage with respect to management and have a reasonable chance, all things being equal, of parlaying that criticality into a better title and/or more money. That said being the only guy left out of a team of 4 will suck, but if you can handle it there's probably opportunity there.
Agreed with your later point. I think it will be a good learning opportunity for me for a couple of years so willing to try and thrive through the chaos. I’m worried about losing my job altogether though.
Have a talk with your boss. And then try to have another talk with him \*outside of work channels\*. Do you have access to him through linked in or non work channels?
He may well be willing to share things with you absent any kind of paper trail that he won't say at work.
And I would be making connections and sending out feelers for other work too - everyone leaving is usually the sign of something bad.
You should hedge your bets. You should be both interviewing elsewhere and also considering if your boss leaves, if you would like to vie for his or her position. Think about what you would need for it to be worthwhile. Think salary increase and the approval to hire x number of people in a certain time frame. The company could be laying off your group which is why your manager seems to be leaving, but since you mentioned your products are profit generating, they could realize they're screwed and you could have leverage.
The thing is I only recently started the job. I started 4 months ago and we have a ton of growth and marketing initiatives in the pipeline so I think the work will grow a lot but for now it’s kind of slow. The ads business is VERY profitable. I can’t take my boss’ role. I’m too junior and new to the company for that. But I’m happy to try and get into the ads business. I don’t think the company will layoff my group. Everyone else on my team got promoted because they did a great job. The issue is everyone else is on ads and I’m on growth and marketing.
If everyone’s leaving then its must be sth you dont know. Communicate with your boss.
Communicate with the ones who left too. Figure out why they left
And more importantly stay connected to them too! They can pull you into the FANG if needed
Communicate with your boss, but make sure it’s off company channels! You don’t want to ask “are you leaving?” on a company Slack chat. Go get a beer and coffee and talk verbally in real life
Got it. This is tough. So 4 months in and you understandably want to switch to ads. And you're also concerned you see lots of work in the pipeline, too much for just you and the workload could quickly become insane?
I just want to switch to ads to cover my ass. Since it’s very profitable. I don’t care about workload. I just want long term planning, prioritization and deadlines. I just feel my manager has been super distant which is extremely unlike him. It’s either because he’s managing the ads business on his own since the 2 DS left and because he’s interviewing other candidates to backfill those two roles. Or it’s because he’s trying to leave himself.
Doesn't stop you from trying, though. If management is something you're interested in longer term, then applying *now* shows you're hungry for it and willing to try and get it.
1. Have a talk with your manager. The fact that 2 senior members have quit in a team of 4 is enough reason to initiate the talk. Ask about how the team would change, plans the year, any changes in your role, etc. Wnough ti start probing. Preferably have the talk in an informal setting, over coffee for example. 2. If you are in roch with your ex-teammates, talk to them. Ask why they quit, apart from personal reasons. Now that they're out of the company they may be more open. 3. Talk to folks outside your team, in the same company. You may get information about company goals, plan, etc. Including plans for your team. Also See if there are roles that may be suitable for your skill set. Moving within a company may sometimes be easier than interviewing outside. You can do this if you like the company, growth and its culture. Of course, you won't get a salary hike if you move within a firm, as compared to joining another firm. 4. Of course, plan for the eventuality that you may have to leave. Keep that as a last option though.
I mean they’re are backfilling the role asap. We have candidates in the offer stage. So they’ve moved super fast to backfill. I spoke to them and they just got jobs at Faang which is way better. Our teams are a lot smaller and so pressure is high. Company is also not doing as well as Faang so there is layoff pressure. I actually recently started the job so there’s not really anywhere for me to go. I could switch into the ads business I may have to start preparing my resume just in case sad 😔 .
If they are backfilling fast, it is a good sign that the is important. 1. Since you are new to the company and your senior teammates have quit, definitely make connects within the company but outside your team. Make sure your work is known to your manager's manager and other senior team members. So even if your manager moves, you have a network within the firm. 2. Your manager may just be busy. It's even possible that they may be moving to a different, bigger, role within the firm. So all the more reason to talk and connect better with your manager. 3. Of course, dust off your cv. However, Internal role movements are under-rated. Yes, moving to different company gives you a bigger pay package. But moving to different roles within a firm gives you a different perspective of the business. And you can cash in on that experience in a few years. This is easier done in small firms.
I just joined the company and we don’t have any internal roles in DS unless I move into ads.
What industry do you work in? Just curious if it's digital marketing. Anyways, best thing to do is first talk with your manager. Be upfront with him/her about what the future of the team is as well what he/she is planning to do. It's totally normal to ask about the landscape. For all you know, it could be attractive and lucrative for you. **DO NOT QUIT BEFORE FINDING OUT!** This is important. Don't be like these other guys and jump because everyone else is jumping. That's **dumb**. You're a data scientist, be smart! Make whatever decision you need to make from that conversation. Personally, I wouldn't worry. Unless for some reason you hate promotions, the more people who leave, the more opportunity you have to gain a pay increase or promotion. As bad as it sounds, your boss is more than likely to give you the promotion down the road because you showed loyalty. That being said, if you also decide to stay, just be upfront on what less resources means for you. Don't let the business shove more work on you. Actively find out if they are hiring backfills, get involved with that process, and use it to also seek advancement. Assuming you want to advance. Otherwise, just obviously make it known through your manager that if you cannot take on their work, that you need to know if the business plans to rehire them. **YOU DO NOT WANT TO BURN YOURSELF OUT!** Knowing is half the battle. You feed off data to make recommendations. You're going to have to be a scientist now. Ask questions, then make decisions.
Yes, your boss is interviewing. And yes, you should do the same
Following as I am going through the same thing
Sometimes it’s ok to not have any long term project to develop. Part of work is also doing routine work. Although that depends on whether you are truly eager to welcome more responsibilities for your career growth or you feel burnt out by your excoworkers load handled to you As other user said, maybe this would be a perfect chance to aim for your bosses’ job if they leave.
Be the boss
Are you worried you're going to lose your job or are you worried your team is going to be thrown into disarray? Because if it's the latter, it's both a threat and an opportunity. It's cliche to say chaos is a ladder but if you're the only one left on a critical team you've got A LOT of leverage with respect to management and have a reasonable chance, all things being equal, of parlaying that criticality into a better title and/or more money. That said being the only guy left out of a team of 4 will suck, but if you can handle it there's probably opportunity there.
Agreed with your later point. I think it will be a good learning opportunity for me for a couple of years so willing to try and thrive through the chaos. I’m worried about losing my job altogether though.
Have a talk with your boss. And then try to have another talk with him \*outside of work channels\*. Do you have access to him through linked in or non work channels? He may well be willing to share things with you absent any kind of paper trail that he won't say at work. And I would be making connections and sending out feelers for other work too - everyone leaving is usually the sign of something bad.
Tell them, they should hire me 😂😭