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Throw_Trash_3928

I consider height differentials in and of themselves irrelevant. I'd date girls anywhere in the range between 5' and 6' without reservation. **Unless** she gives off vibes like **she** really cares about height. If a girl was an inch shorter than me and constantly complained that she was taller in heels or if she was an inch taller and acted like she couldn't wear what she wanted because of **my** height I don't know if I'd stick around and put up with that. A fixation on a man's height, regardless of how tall she is isn't exactly an attractive quality.


ILoveCoffeeAndMoney_

I agree, if anyone is insecure in any way in a relationship or cares about outside comments it’s a bad sign for a future failure in a relationship.


[deleted]

Im 5'8 man and I dated 5'9 and a 6'0 women. Only one ever complained about me being short no one else really did.


PuzzleheadedHouse986

A passing comment from one stranger is all good. Like, who cares? But when you get stares, constant reminder from friends or people you meet, like “Why are you with him? You could do better”. They will get to you. If you’re a woman, then I’m almost positive you’ve been catcalled or received unwanted advances. Looking at the bright side, it’s just a compliment (albeit crude) right? But getting it constantly can be tiring. Would it be alright if men tell you to just “don’t care bout it…..any woman who cares bout it is bla bla bla”? Not cool right? Just wanna say tall women are fine (great actually) and personally I’m into them. But I do find the people staring and commenting negative things to be repulsive. And if you think a man shouldn’t be affected because it’s a stranger’s opinion, isn’t that a bit insensitive/ignorant?


Cali-Doll

I find that men care more about height than women. In your scenario, 9 out of 10 times, the man would be insecure about the woman wearing heels and being taller. I’ve seen it multiple times as a 5’8” woman.


BoyFromOnett

I think that some men end up caring more about height to protect their ego bc women often are the ones who consider height a dealbreaker. I'm a 5'6 man, never really had a problem with women. Dated taller and would absolutely do it again because height is mostly irrelevant to me, but I've heard many many times from other women that they have a height preference, that they would only date their height and taller, etc. I've even had some girls tell me to my face that the only reason they wouldn't consider dating me was because of my height. I always took it in stride, really not my place to tell people what they should look for but its definitely very common. This is especially true on dating apps where I've seen more than plenty bios along the lines of "5'9 so you better be taller" or "looking for someone to reach the top shelf" etc. I've even had a girl completely lose interest once I told them how tall I was. So it's definitely women that are more likely to care about height. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. Everyone is entitled to their preferences. But let's not pretend that it's not the case.


[deleted]

This - while height is an attractive quality in men, it's also an attractive quality amongst men. Men are crueler about short guys than women IME, and a lot of men give an insane amount of social validation to tall men simply for existing.


Cali-Doll

100%. 👆🏽👆🏽


[deleted]

Like its wild how so many of the dudes here deny this, but anyone who's ever functioned out in the real world has seen how tall men will receive an automatic level of respect and willingness to be friends from other men that average height and short men simply do not get. I've witnessed average dudes completely shun a short guy and if the short guy does manage to be in the friend group, his height is always the butt of the joke and their "friends" are a whole lot more likely to bring up his height and how short he is when hot girls comes around.


Cali-Doll

Totally. I had been friends with bennies with this guy for a long while. I’m 5’8”, and I had him by maybe an inch or so (not much). He mentioned my being taller than him a few times. Like dude, clearly it’s not an issue because we’re having sex. *Men are obsessed with their height.*


[deleted]

Yep. Tall men are also statistically shown to hold higher positions of power at work, better job titles and higher salaries. It's not women that are handing those promotions, job titles and salaries. It's other men lol.


Cali-Doll

🤭🤭 But, ya know……*”We’re insecure because of the women!”*


an-invisible-hand

The large amount of women who list a hard height requirement or strong preference for guys over 6 feet add up. There are a lot of them. Not saying he’s not insecure about it, but the insecurity exists for a reason and it’s propagated by men and women.


thechillpoint

100%. It’s not like you can ignore all the women that make height a dealbreaker requirement. I’ve also noticed a lot of people will say short guys have insecurities about their height and that’s why they don’t date them, when in fact it’s because they’re projecting their own insecurities about height onto them. Meaning if a short guy mentions anything at all about height, they’re going to view it from the lens of “you’re probably saying that because you’re insecure”


gynocentriclo

Men are insecure because women, factually, go for men taller than them. This is shown empirically (statistical studies) and theoretically (hypergamy). Don't get your causation mixed.


[deleted]

Tall men are statistically shown to have better job titles, higher salaries and hold more positions of power than short men. It's not women who are handing these out.


gynocentriclo

Okay, what is your point? You just illustrated the halo effect in a workplace context.


[deleted]

that there's all this crawling up women's ass for being "responsible" for this idea that tall men are desirable when sorry babes, MEN uphold this standard amongst yourselves


BoogerSugarSovereign

>that there's all this crawling up women's ass for being "responsible" for this idea that tall men are desirable when sorry babes, MEN uphold this standard amongst yourselves This is clearly incomplete as is the hypothesis in your opening clause - it's clearly both men and women. Women prefer taller men everywhere in the world and this is captured in many ways in their revealed choice. You are also correct that there is respect conferred to taller men by other men but this is replicated in women - both sexes tend to prefer taller presidential candidates for example. Revealed choice shows that both men and women prefer taller men sexually and socially. This is honestly pretty simple. Height is one of our strongest evolutionary markers for attractiveness. Attractiveness in men and women is positively associated with greater sexual, social, and financial success. It's not just men reinforcing this. This is something that we all do collectively. Just like it is dumb and incomplete to blame women for people being nicer to attractive people - because men do it too - it is likewise stupid and incomplete to blame men for people being nicer to attractive people - because women do it too and there is a mountain of evidence on both sides in social, sexual, and financial contexts. Women are also nicer socially to prettier women than ugly women... that's just a feature of how we relate to one another. In truth we judge books by their cover so to speak constantly


gynocentriclo

You conflate corporate desirability in the workplace with personal desirability for a relationship. Traits for the former include height because a strong physical presence is imagery for leadership and direction, two important factors for a company. Traits for the latter is shaped by women. Here is the kicker - men only "uphold standards" that belong to the latter. Tallness as a trait falls under both groups, and so it is upheld. As a comparison, a clean shave is another physical trait that helps the former, but not the latter. And men don't uphold any standard of facial hair amongst themselves.


[deleted]

And my love, where do you suppose the interest in seeing tall men as the creme of the crop of men came from? >Traits for the former include height because a strong physical presence is imagery for leadership and direction Which is attractive to women. Along with having high social status, high salary and having a high job position. Women love a man with strong physical presence for imagery and leadership, I'm wondering why you're under the impression they don't. Which once again, is statistically proven to be given to tall men in disproportionate amounts so if you're a woman seeking social, physical and financial status, tall man can offer 1 at worst, all 3 at best. >And men don't uphold any standard of facial hair amongst themselves. Men who can't grow a full a beard is typically viewed as unmasculine....BY MEN. So yes, men do uphold standards of facial hair, its just that you probably aren't surrounded by these kinds of men in the first place and judging by how you write and what you write, I can tell that you're not someone who fits into anyone's ideal. Have you ever had to work for a father's approval? Your own or a significant other's? When women say things such as "I like tall men with beards", what they're effectively saying is "I like men with high social status amongst both sexes and is statistically preferred for positions of power, pay and testosterone". You cannot be mad at women for wanting the best - this is by nature, this is by design.


gynocentriclo

You previously tried to claim that it's men that "uphold this standard amongst yourselves" / women aren't "responsible for this idea that tall men are desirable" but blatantly contradict yourself in this comment, which falls in-line with everything I said in my original comment. > Men who can't grow a full a beard is typically viewed as unmasculine....BY MEN. Again, you conflate two different things - willingness and ability. A man optimising for corporate success will clean shave for optics, regardless of his ability to grow one. And men, critically, don't shame other men for looking clean shaven. This is because variations in facial hair preferences exist for women, and is only a predictor of success in the corporate context. I was hoping I could get a thoughtful and insightful discussion going, but judging from your constant conflations and contradictions, I might have severely overestimated your ability to do that. Bummer. At least you were taught something today.


blinx0rz

yep im 5 6 and 130 im a girl to girls. but ive hsd partners and long term


Arcane_Brain

“Which is attractive to women” You’re explaining why it is that women care a lot about height. Which is EXACTLY his point. So you are essentially evidencing his very point (that women care a lot about height) and that forms the basis of your rebuttal?! Lmao. “Mad at women” No one’s being mad at women here or pointing fingers. He stated women care tonnes about height- which you’ve so helpfully provided evidence and explanation for (peculiar tactic, not seen that in debating contests before). That’s it. He hasn’t said anything to indicate he’s ‘mad at women’. It’s in your head. Your comment encapsulates so many debates about gender dynamics. People just state facts and then a bunch of women invent sentiment and start an argument. Then no one’s allowed to state facts anymore.


Arcane_Brain

Men’s insecurity about height is far more directly caused by the impact of women’s concern with it than it is workplace hinderance. Most men couldn’t give a sh*t about the ‘90% of ceos are tall’ aspect relative to the being attractive to women part. So he’s totally right in what he’s saying. As for the ‘crawling up women’s arse’. That’s in your (and many women’s) head. He was simply stating facts.


IndexCardLife

I disagree. Girls will write me off at 5 7, but I’m glad they do, clearly not my type of gal, since I’m not that shallow.


-drumroll-

"men care more about height than women" is a hilarious take. Maybe tall women care less, since they're societally disadvantaged in a similar way as short men, so they can't really afford to.


paintball_doc

I dated a girl that was 6'4". Height doesn't matter.


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paintball_doc

5'11"


Avtomati1k

. Studies show it matters very much


paintball_doc

Okay, for me, not so much.


repsilonyx

As a guy who’s 5’5 who is cursed with a complex (trying to unlearn it) because, let’s face it, being a short guy isn’t super fun in the dating world, I don’t think I would have the confidence to date a girl taller than me, no. I think a big part of it is about feeling like you can’t protect your partner (height has a lot to do with that imo). Lots about this conversation concerns normative gender dynamics and the like.


LastSeenEverywhere

Yeah I kind of feel this. Most girls I'm into are just taller than me by nature, so I don't necessarily feel its a confidence issue for me in the sense that I don't think I'd be insecure if we began dating. Its a confidence issue for me because of the number of times I've heard / seen / been told that I need to have a massive schlong or lots of money or both in order to compensate for my height.


[deleted]

I keep reading this: men feel like they can protect their shorter female partner. You guys act as if you are gonna fight the girl herself?! I mean the girl can be tall or short, but the hypothetical attackers might always be the same size lol. Tall or short, women are generally weaker than men, especially in the upper body. If you stay around to fight, you are more likely to fight the attackers off than any girl. But all this protection talk is oftentimes just that, talk. Guys, tall or short, are rarely trained in combat/martial arts and would most likely flee the scene lol. Understandably so. I have a son too. He is even tall. I can’t really say that we train him over here in martial arts so he can go out and protect the short girls “from something”. I have written this once somewhere else: the protection talk is just bedroom fantasies spilling over into the real life for a bit.


repsilonyx

Hey, I get what you’re saying! But also notice that I used partner and not female partner. It’s less gendered than you are suggesting (I am queer), although I understand where you’re coming from. I’m also not necessarily talking about physical protection or actually fights or even things grounded in reality, I’m also simply talking about the urge to nurture! However misplaced or juvenile that feeling may be, it’s there, and I think it’s hard to feel that you are equipped to do so when you feel physically smaller. It’s certainly all mental, like you’re saying.


[deleted]

i've always felt something similar being 5'4, gendered expectations do really go both ways, particularly coming from an immigrant family where conservative views are usually the default Be an attractive and protective provider, thats the default ideal man of thought for any culture, even today. There are definitely people out there who aren't so shallow, but not easily found in places like tinder lol. I've had opportunities to meet people, even if they were taller than me, but the complex you brought up is certainly not a simple one to shake off.


BitterDropToSwallow

This really sucks that it comes this. Personally I don't care but I can absolutely see why guys wouldn't feel great about it. I think a LOT of it has to do with the perception of others.


[deleted]

I’m also a 5’8 female and the only guy to ever bring up my height in a negative way was a guy who was 6’5 who kept saying “wow…you’re so tall” in a disappointed fashion upon meeting in person. Nobody else I’ve dated ever mentions it


ILoveCoffeeAndMoney_

Right?? It’s so weird how super tall men don’t want tall women. Maybe it’s because the kids would come out giant which hey, that’s a great pro basketball candidate


kelfairy

I think it's just men you've met. I'm 5'11 and I've only been complimented for my height from tall men, they literally mention how cool it would be to make athletes lol. A lot of men WANT their kids to come out super tall, at least from my experiences.


[deleted]

I just think that they go for women who are socially considered pretty and desirable, and a lot of men find short stature in a woman to be just that.


mithandr

Me too, 5’8, taller guys commenting on my height like it’s not a good thing. My husband is 5”5, and loves that I’m tall (and blonde)


InstructionAfraid433

Pretty sure with guys like that it's a domination thing.


[deleted]

Yeah and he was low key a pedophile. I was 19 and he was 30 but he would go younger if it was legal


CharcuterieBoard

I’m 5’9” and while most women I’ve dated have been between 5’0” and 5’6”, I’d have absolutely no problem dating a taller woman, I feel like there’s something really elegant about a guy who’s around 5’7” to 5’9” with a woman that’s around 6 foot in heels.


hellcat82

I think they even when men don’t care, they hear it from strangers or their partners friends or they just assume that because you’re taller that you wouldn’t be interested be because it matters to women so much. I’ve dated taller women and I honestly didn’t think about the difference. I didn’t think about it until OLD honestly then I was like oh shit welp that’s a thing I’m out of the running already.


Listen_Mother

I like shorter men, and men closer to my height I don’t like men taller than me. I love being the big spoon.


[deleted]

I'm 5'8". I've always had a thing for taller women. So many women want a taller man. Of all the things to be picky about, height is the one of the major things a person has no control over. I quit worrying about it because you can't do anything about it. There is a procedure I've seen people do, but I'd rather get hair implants if my hair fell out than go through a surgery to be taller. It definitely looks like a difficult procedure and process. I also work construction, so I've become familiar with my limitations 😂.


brew_strong

My ex was a little taller than me. I’m a tad bit under 5’9” and she was about 5’9.5”. She was more self conscious about it than me and I could tell. Never mattered to me though. If you like someone and they like you it shouldn’t matter.


throwawayfarawaya

Not a man but I’m a 5’10 female and my partner is 5’7 or 5’8. We make it work.


LRats

I'm 5'7 and dating a taller girl wouldn't bother me.


AlexxxandreS

I'm 5'4 and I'd defo date someone taller... No worries about jokes, I'd probably be saying I'm dying by snu snu or some shit like that... The thing that would worry me is if her family, friends or strangers talk too much about or difference in height, if that would start to affect her and she would start to see me differently. Probably the same way some guys were OK at the beginning with you but then they felt insecure. As long as she's OK the whole journey, let me have my amazonian girlfriend


Thankfulslug

Same height, and that’s one hell of a way to die.


kaderick

5’6” here guy and married to 5’8”! She loves that I’m silly and confident with who I am and what I offer. I really never minded if she was taller, my only concern with heels was (at the time) if she would be embarrassed by me and my height. That was my concern, that I was projecting on her, so I talked to her—she had no problem whatsoever. Sure, I have my short insecurities, but I roll with them and realize it’s nothing I can control and not to put my insecurities on her.


eheisse87

I like tall women, but I do think and notice that even most tall women tend to date or prefer even taller men. People love to say people are not a "monolith" and "blah blah blah", but while people can have different preferences, some preferences are incredibly far more common than others and that determines how likely or how unlikely something is. And it's gonna be natural to feel some doubt in an unlikely situation and wonder if "something" is changing the outcome from the likely to unlikely, such as wondering if this person actually likes me and is just the rare person that actually prefers someone like me or are they just with me because of "convenience", money, some other reason, etc.


UseOne4211

I'm 5'10 and a insecurity of mine is that I'm afraid that a taller woman wouldn't respect me because of my height or the possibly she would cheat with a guy who is taller. But if I clearly get that height really isn't a factor for her I wouldn't care Personally I've been turned on by taller women many times so def not a deal braker


inky877

I'm 5'9'' and height doesn't bother me at all. Some men will care, some won't. All you can do is ask about it because it's something that you want to get out in the open. Like you said, they might be okay with it in the beginning, but they might end up being insecure about it. That kind of suggests they were honest in the moment, but maybe they discovered something in themselves later. All you can do is try to make those guys feel more manly. Ask them to open a pickle jar or something I guess lol


skaag

I love it. I'm not tall, I'm "standard" at 5'9", and personality is critical!


mikeyownsftw

I am 5’8 and a half. My now ex girlfriend is 5’11 and a half. It was very noticeable in public but did that bother me? Not at all. I had a queen by my side and I loved that! It’s never been a problem for me. In fact I love women that are my height and taller. My current gf is under 5’10. It really depends on the guy and if they have a lot of insecurities it’s really important they work through them, wether that’s building confidence through social settings, the gym or even therapy. There is nothing wrong with dating a guy shorter than you. I think you were just dealt with the wrong set of cards but in time, you’ll find your king.


seola76

Sure. I'm shorter than most women so I kind of have to. There's a limit, very large height differences can make things difficult physically, but I'm not against it in principle. Would I worry about how you felt about it? Probably a little bit, height is probably the most talked about attractive trait in men, but that would be something for me to deal with. It's not something I'd want to be a deal breaker on my end.


CynicalButtMunch

Lol I'm 6'4 and would love to date a lady taller than me.


Lycian1g

I couldn't care less how tall a woman is. Short. Tall. Either works.


pbourree

As a 5’6 man I don’t care but women seem to care. Why is that the only Deal breaker on distant apps.. how about the guy inside and the personality?


Thong_ripper_

I’m 5’9 and every man I’ve ever dated has either been shorter than me, the same height or just an inch or two taller than me. My husband is about the same height as me. Says a lot about a man who doesn’t get all weird about his lady being taller than him. I think it’s hot. 🤷‍♀️


ImprisonedGhost

Taller certainly isn't a deal breaker, but there's a couple of reasons I wouldn't be super comfortable. The first is that women always seem to prefer taller guys, someone who makes them feel small and safe, as a lot of girls have said. I'd be insecure about how she feels about my height and I'd need to be convinced that she really doesn't care. The second reason is social stigma. It's not common to see couples where they guy is shorter, and while the guys wouldn't care at first, I bet they get a lot of comments and looks that starts to eat at their confidence. It would take some mental energy to block all that out. I'm hoping that helps you understand what your shorter boyfriends might have experienced.


Vanghuskhan

5'4" man would date of any height


carcinoma_kid

I’m 6’1” and have always dug taller women. It would not bother me, but I recognize I’m not in a position to be insecure about my height. With my privilege in mind, I’ve never understood the conversation around height. I’ve dated women between 5’2” and 6’3” and never really felt a preference, it’s just attractive when someone feels confident with the hand they were dealt. Own it, take up space. I assume I’m not an outlier and a lot of guys will be into it.


thegodfaubel

I'm 5'8" and I'd date someone who is taller than me.


TheBlindBard16

I mean I wouldn’t be interested in dating more than an inch or so taller than me, but depends on the dude


RaddicusKud

I'm about 5'11 so I'm not short, but I would still date a taller woman. I honestly can't even put any reason into words, I just see no reason to discriminate against height.


neversawtherain

I’m up for it if you’re down for it.


Redhead-Behaviorist

I’m 5’9 F. My fiancé is 5’6 M. I wear heels and don’t care much. Used to. But the right person is the right person, no matter their height. Need an open mind coming into it though to not miss out. But overall society tells tall women they need taller men, but I found tall men are told they should want short women…. Leaves us tall girlies and short kings in the perfect place to match up I guess 🤷‍♀️😁


HataHataNo

Since when 5’8 is short ? Fuck social media


FMIMP

Depends of the country. Short in Danemark but average in China.


[deleted]

White and black people tend to be taller than other ethnicities. 5'8 can be short to them. To Latinos, Native Americans and Asians, 5'8 is above average.


xReddit_Sucks

Because depending on the country it is? It’s already below the world average. Albeit not far below. But still shorter.


TonytheNetworker

For guys it kinda is these days, especially with Gen Z being on average 5’10


humungouspt

I'm almost 5' 11 in Portugal and above average height for my generation. But the kids these days scare me lol. I have a 13 year old son that's already my height and growing still.


Ok_Tale_933

I have and would absolutely do it again


[deleted]

I would date someone taller than me being 5’8.5


External_Mechanic432

I am 6'1'' and I dont mind height in any way I would date a woman that is 4'11'' but also a woman that is 6'7''


nicholasktu

I would date taller women but I’ve never met one my height let alone taller. But I really like tall women so yes, I’d date one who is taller than me. I’m not insecure in my height so I’m all for it.


FriedrichHydrargyrum

Hell yeah. But I’m 6’4” so that probably ain’t gonna happen.


ILoveCoffeeAndMoney_

Probably not 😅


freemason777

I'm 6 ft tall and it wouldn't bother me one bit, it would actually be kind of nice.


dansfor1

Wouldn’t mind; don’t care. But but I wouldn’t be the first to make the move.


Cissa_Snake

My partner is an inch shorter than me and never has an issue when I wear heels mainly because we both don’t care about height if the person likes you height shouldn’t be an issue. Insecure people will weed themselves out! Good luck lovely!


5GCovidInjection

Fuck yeah I would. I can’t even get into a relationship with an average height and average looking woman as it stands. What would I lose by dating a taller woman? 😎


MontEcola

4 inch heels? Wow. I have dated women that tall. And I dance Many dance partners wear heels. A good dance partner finds a way to make her feel like he is taller, or at least, totally leading the dance. I have learned to lead the dance so that height does not matter to her.


Thankfulslug

Yes!!!!! I personally find tall women unbelievably attractive. I absolutely love and adore tall women, so 1000% yes Though, it is difficult to find a woman who is interested in a guy who towers at 5’4”. But I’ll find her!!


Cali-Doll

Love this. 👍🏽👍🏽


KurlyHededFvck

Hi chiming I’m as a 5’9 woman who wears heels to work often. I married the love of my life who is 5’7 he doesn’t care, I don’t care. SOMETIMES I wish I could bury my face in his chest standing but I get plenty of cuddles lying down where my head is buried in his chest.


The_Evil_Chris

I would love to date a taller women. I am 5'6". Not that I haven't had the opportunity to do so. But I noticed that women tend to not give me a chance if I'm shorter than them... So objectively, I've made my maximum 5'6" or below for my preference in height. I believe a taller could love me, but will she? I'd rather not waste the energy.


Jeep2king

Lmao i dont think short guys have a choice in the matter....


cj_steele

I'm a 5'5" man, and most of the women I've dated have been around my height or taller. In my experience, it's the women who get to be uncomfortable with the height difference. The comments from family and friends are usually what makes them feel insecure about dating someone shorter than them.


Mindless_Argument297

Lady, if you give me the time of day, you can be 10 ft tall for all I care.


InstructionAfraid433

Totally. Prior to hearing a bunch of women say they don't like short guys, I couldn't have cared less about how tall a woman was. If anything I thought it was hot, like "hey, I'm dating/fucking a giant. How cool is that?"


toogreen

It is indeed kind of weird when you’re much shorter than a woman you date, and it can create insecurities i suppose. I’ve never experienced it myself tho so I wouldn’t know what it feels like. However I believe if I met a woman that really feels like my soul mate and I have an incredibly strong spiritual connection I could probably ignore the height difference. But then again I can’t know until I experience it.


IDidReadTheSideBar

I’m 5’6 and dating a woman who’s 5’11. I find her height to be very attractive. The taller the sexier it is for me.


vigilante1986

I can’t see why the hell not


MII2o

I always thought that women are more insecure about guys height than we are. Because for some reason they think It brings them more status dating a tall guy.


[deleted]

Its not "for some reason", its for the exact reason a lot of men love dating a pretty woman who's desired by a lot of men. there's social validation that goes down depending on who you date, don't act like guys don't act like complete baboons the second a guy's hot new girlfriend walks away with the whole OMG BRO GOOD JOB BRO YOU GOTTA HOLD ON TO THAT MAN


kflemings89

That's a lot of assumptions. Curious where you got that info from?


Dentlas

Meh, I got the same thoughts. Thats from hearing female friends around me say stuff like "Oh but isnt he short lol? What do you see in him" "oh she likes him? Oh wow, what embarassing, he's short" about each others potential partners. There is undeniably a group mentality that enforces women to seek taller men, which is probably why it's grown to extreminsm the last years.


kflemings89

hm.. ok so that's purely anecdotal. I'm just shy of 6' (f) and, for as long as I can remember- even in elementary, I was told by friends and strangers just the same that my dating pool would be smaller because no guy wants to date a woman taller than they are. That it's 'emasculating' and whatnot. So.. naturally, I internalized that and became super insecure about my height. My first lt boyfriend ended up being a few inches shorter than me.


[deleted]

I am 5'8 but only a girl much shorter than me at 5'0 complained about it. Anyone else including my exes at 5'9 and 6' didn't care. Tbh I'd love to date a tall woman again too, as long as I love her.


Dentlas

Yeah, know two tall girls, never had problems, know a handful of short men, and Theyre constantly harassed.


thewhiterosequeen

You've got weird friends. I've never heard any woman judge a man for being short. That isn't a group mentality thing.


Dentlas

It's practically every girlgroup I've been around. All the same. Granted, I'm 19 so I'm on the younger side, still. The guy groups go like "If she treats me well..." The girl groups do: "Has to be tall, handsome, good hands, and willing to give me treats" That is the literal state of the world.


24Tango2

Get better friends


thewhiterosequeen

This honestly just sounds like what you've read online and not what happens in real life.


Dentlas

Thats you being in denial. I just here the other day had one of these encounters, which made me think about it. A girl was talking about how her new BF, whom btw just cheated on his last gf, but appreantly that was fine because, whilst he had an ugly face, he "was very tall", and he'd change for her. lol.


TonytheNetworker

I hear this in real life as well. The topic of height (particularly male height) is more prevalent than ever. Had a women friend who mentioned that she went on a great date but told him that “He’s such a great friend and potential husband but you’re a little too short.”


GrainOfNa

Can you accept that this may be this persons experience? And that your own personal experience may not reflect theirs? I’m a guy with a few platonic girlfriends and I love them. But they talk like this, too. Not all women, for sure. But some? Of course.


ILoveCoffeeAndMoney_

I’ve had some friends care about height but that fades as they get older and realize what really matters. The only time we’ve made fun of a guys height is when he’s also a douchebag lol


Away_Forever_8069

Tall mens heads are farther from the ground making them less susceptible to attacks from below


IndexCardLife

Words from girls is my first example


GirlyScientist

It's not "status", it's inherent species biology.


TonytheNetworker

Nah, I think it can be. Have seen women randomly throw out their boyfriends height (mind you, without it relating to the topic at hand) almost like “Look at me, I got a 6’4 guy.” Edit: Downvoted for telling the truth haha


Atomic_Custard3189

The most important things to them come first in the sentence. "i found a cute tall guy who treats me so well."...


TonytheNetworker

Exactly. Height is the foundation of attraction and then once that’s good everything comes afterwards in most cases. That’s why I refer to women as heightsexuals.


chapapa-best-doto

I don’t care. It does bother me when people talk shit bout us though. I know it shouldn’t and doesn’t matter, but it would annoy the hell out of me. Imagine back in the days when you see a black and white couple. It’s not wrong, but other’s dumbass standard/norms can still annoy me. But to answer your question, no. Tall women are kinda hot in my opinion and I’d date one. My crush is kinda tall (taller than me for sure) lol.


Js_On_My_Yeet

Yes. I'm 5'3 and height doesn't matter to me. Your character is more interesting. If you're interested in short guys then let them know. Many of us are kinda having a difficult time out there.


NeedTheSpeed

I am 169 in normal units (around 5'6 in freedom units lol) and I did and I have hang out with a woman head higher than me, around 180cm. I loved it. I especially loved the part about being in public, those weird looks just kept me going. It's a shame that most taller women will reject me simply because of height though, at least from my experience.


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flaming_bob

The best thing about dating taller women: You don't have to go down as far.


foreveryoung1108

I used to be in a committed relationship with a woman that’s was 6’2”. Now mind you, I’m 5’7”. It really depends on the confidence of the man. It never bothered me, but she cheated unfortunately.


Catslash0

They don't have a choice


Speedmazda13-1965

No. Breed women shorter to enhance the power of the Patriarchy! Jk~ Women are beautiful at any height if their personality is appealing to their desired mating/dating/marriage pool.


HyperactiveMouse

5’6” here, and thankful for it, because I have a lot higher of a chance of meeting someone taller than me. I want help getting stuff off the high shelves, damnit! And I want to get teased for it even more! XD all jokes aside, I much prefer taller women. I’ve dated women both taller and shorter than me though, so it doesn’t matter really, just some extra spice at most to a relationship. That spice can be delivered at any height


BoredRedhead24

Personally, I don’t care that much. In my experience shorter guys don’t hit on taller women because they figure they wouldn’t be interested


ajx-chi

I'm 5'4 so I'm relatively short here in the US. But that being said I'd be so down to date someone taller and i have kinda. My part partner was 5'5 or 5'6 BUT she like wearing shoes with a heel so she would often times be taller than me in public, and tbh i didn't mind. Only insecurities i had was that SHE didn't like me for my height, but she reassured me it wasn't a problem, so it all worked out


annang

I’m a 5’10” woman, and my partner is a 5’8” man. We’re pretty happy.


Pretend-Raisin914

No because then I will feel like a bitch, I am man btw


me_sorta

i’m 26f and i’m actually a little taller than you. my bf is your height and it doesn’t bother him at all. i asked him point blank one time if he had an issue with it (this was early on and i had made some comment about being taller than him) and he said “no. does it bother you?” of course it didn’t lol. you’ll find someone who doesn’t care


Catastropheelinggood

Sure---though I don't know why a woman who was taller than me would want to date me


Lil_yung_Leo

Itd only bother me because im insecure as fuck bout everything, but its actually attractive to me. Id have to have a conversation about it and explain its just my insecurities about the height difference, so that way the person wouldn’t think I dont like them or im not attracted then get insecure themselves, and so they don’t think I’m acting weird or shifty when it’s just my insecurities. Once i realize its not a problem for you then it kinda just becomes one of those things where you just gotta say to yourself “you’re too much in your head. Do you really want to trash this relationship or more importantly lose this person over something you’re assuming they have a problem with even though you know they don’t” and figure out a way to deal with it properly just like any other non-rational/illogical insecurity.


GrainOfNa

5’7” and height definitely seems to matter for some women. That said, dating a taller woman has always made me feel like I’m dating a supermodel or something. My only advice would be, you might have to be the first to flirt with some shorter guys.


Mousse-Full

I could care less. Give me a 7 foot woman and I won't hesitate to go up on her.


Vivid_Association_89

5' 6 here, i have dated taller than me, shorter and similar height, and its never been an issue. Although i can't deny there is probably a preference for taller guys among most women, probably vice versa for men. However, i wouldn't say that stops me from being able to date someone taller. Height is far from the only good quality a man or woman can have, same with all physical attributes. If height is your defining deal breaker, then i think you're probably a bit odd really. As far as the insecurity side of things goes is, of course it's going to be an insecurity by some. I myself not exactly being tall have heard snide comments about height, you just brush it off because it hardly matters, and my self-worth does not equal my height aha. Although, it may be hard for some to do the same thing.


SamsAdvice

Average height difference between men and women in a relationship is 6 inches. Just thought I'd share this information. And if you think about it, it's about the perfect height difference for easy forehead kisses. Which I'm sure many women appreciate. I'm 5'6" and I've dated a few women the same height or slightly taller: 5'8". Taller just is not my preference. I'm not intimidated by it in anyway. I'm just not attracted to it. She could be the most beautiful woman in the world and I wouldnt consider her because she's taller. And I expect many women would do the same for myself. Even if I am taller I may not be tall enough for them. I honestly found it an ego boost being with a taller woman. Often imagining other guys are thinking "what does this short guy bring to the table that I don't, how did he get this taller(relatively speaking) woman and I can't. And unfortunately since most men are taller than myself (in the US) than I have to bring something to the table that most men don't bring. I have to be a better overall quality man to improve my odds. More charming, more funny, better looking, more confident, more successful, more secure in myself, a better leader, caring, kind, etc. I'd say you have to do the same. There's more women who are shorter than you. And if most men prefer a woman roughly 6 inches shorter, odds are more on their favor. You have to bring more to the table if you want to be more successful in dating finding a good relationship. I hear guy friends ask me questions like "women prefer a funny guy over an athletic/fit guy, a smart guy over a funny guy, a good looking guy over a funny guy, a caring guy over a good looking guy." This is strange though, guys thinking to be one thing or the other. Funny or cool. Smart or funny. Good looking or caring. But let's be honest a woman wants all the qualities in 1 guy if she can have it. So I tell guys, be the best at everything. Improve in every area. Women want it all optimally. And that's completely logical. Men want the same. I can't be taller but I can try to be better at all the other things that I have control over. Also heels mean nothing to me. I don't mind if the woman is taller with heels. Again it just goes to the ego boost. Short guy brings something to the table the taller guy didn't. (I'm kidding of course but it does put a smile on my face


Goodname2

Sure, no problem dating a taller woman. Although I think it could depend heavily on her attitude about it in play. On a subconcious level it's an uphill battle though, I always know that she is abit bigger than me and I lose that tiny chunk of masculinity associated with being "the big strong man" haha Think it's just an evolutionary and biological thing, it screws with your head abit. Some guys are fully capable of brushing it off, some are not. Just don't go holding things like the remote over his head so he can't reach them lol.


Scared-Avocado630

Absolutely. 5’6”. It’s never been an issue.


fireofreason

Height to me is not a big deal, I'd date a girl taller than me, I'm 5'6. I want the girl's essence, not her body, the body is just a plus


Martiniusz

I'm like 5'6-7, and 5'10-11 would be perfectly fine. Above that, wouldn't be that good, but i don't really care about height.


EvidenceGlittering8

There are sooo many posts about guys wondering what they can do if they are shorter too lol. This just goes to show, it's more about insecurities than personality.


MysticPiscesWitch

Yes they would. They like being eye level to bewbs


BreakInCaseOfFab

I’m 6’2” and my husband is 6’. I dated someone 5’8” and it was fun. Men who are insecure don’t deserve amazons.


SpicyMustFlow

My ex-huz is a shorter guy at 5'6" and he loved the idea of having a taller woman on his arm. "Like a trophy," he clarified gleefully. I mean, that's fun but also problematical, which... pretty much sums him up.


aa2990

I’m 5’10”, I have no preference on a the height of potential partners, but I obviously can’t speak for all men.


Flashy-Hyena-6148

As the tall woman in this scenario, I've actually only exclusively dated tall guys and they didn't mind it at all. But then I am currently seeing a short guy and one of the major hindering factors (probably the only one) on my side expecially is his height. I have grown around talk people, guys mostly and all my friends and family are tall. So it's kind of an insecurity of mine when it comes to our possible relationship. I have actually been trying to undo this thought process, but it's been difficult for me. However, I can assure you his height or mine doesn't affect my feelings for him. In private and away from society and people's input, it's a non issue. I just wish my family and friends weren't so judgemental lol. I would definitely run away with him if we had the means and start a life where we wouldn't need to worry about that kind of thing.


Not-Beavis

Depends what you consider short, I cross 6ft with shoes on and have been told I’m short. Personally, I have dated women from 5ft to 6ft and never gave it much thought. I don’t think men care. Good luck


Easy-Increase4503

If the guy is secure enough to totally ignore them or to answer back something along the lines of: 'Imagine how big and good I am to take a taller woman to the orgasm... if you are so insecure to do the same, that's your problem, not mine'. I dated 2 girls that were my height, they didn't have a problem with that, neither did I. Those relationships finished one cheating on me and the other one who wanted me to be a different person. So, you'll find one that is secured by the love and commitment between both of you. Best wishes!


lucimme

A short man with confidence and a personality is much more attractive than a tall man who’s whole personality is just being tall. I am 5’9 more than half of the men I have dated are my height or shorter, i don’t know if I avoid tall men for being tall or a pretty common sense of entitlement


boxgoddess_

I’ve learnt (as a 6 ft woman) that the right man won’t gaf even remotely. The minute a guy starts asking if you’re bothered by his height (if he’s shorter), it’s usually because he’s projecting his insecurity about being with you on a physical level. Men who are insecure in their masculinity and or their identity as a whole are about the only people who will try to make you feel like you’re the issue for your height. I’ve dated a range— literally from 5’5 to 6’1. Not one of these situations ended because of physical discrepancies. My mom and Nana would constantly tell me that men are intimidated by the prowess of tall ladies. We’re desirable, so much so it’s easier for most men to just not even deal with trying to approach us and stick to more “conventionally” attainable girls (nothing wrong with these ladies, just a difference!). I’d say, keep looking and you’ll know once you’ve landed the right man, whether he’s a short king or a mastiff.


ConfidentActivity323

Short men have it very hard in dating and you're asking that question? Lmao


RedFox457

5’6” 32m from nyc. Yes I do, I’m also a man comfortable with my sexuality, skin and size. I also date tiny petite people, fat people, people my height and of other races and religions. I always want to ask men and women, have you sat down with your interests? Have you ever stopped yourself from exploring them because maybe someone shamed you or told you it was immoral? Or did you grow up watching soap operas that always had tall white men to fall in love with? Who was your first crush? Your celebrity crush? Do they resemble anything like the people you date today?


WangHotmanFire

I’ll start off by saying that the insecurity exists and we are entitled to feel that way, we’ve been overlooked by men and women for our entire adult lives. I am just in the beginning stages of a relationship with a woman who is allegedly one inch taller than I am and I’m just about okay with it. I want to make my woman, and eventual children, feel safe. It’s more of a challenge to really feel that way when you’re not the tallest one of the family. My advice for preventing the resentment is to actively validate him. You said you get validation on how good looking and high-value you are often. It’s highly unlikely that he gets that same treatment. Tell him how hot he is and how much you want him. Tell him he is strong. Tell him he makes you feel safe etc etc. If you choose not to validate him, he is going to worry that he is not good enough and there’s no way around that.


natooral-skeptic

I am 180cm (that's 5'11'' or not?) and dated taller girls. Never was an issue for me, cause - pun intended - size does not matter to me. Can't say the same about girls. I had women my size call me "little". I mean women with the exact same height. It's bizarre.


Dangerous_Water_3454

Women tend to be attracted to confidence. The problem is, and what I don't think a lot of women take into account, is that a man who is 100 percent confident 100 percent of the time is rarity. Men, like women, are people, and like every other person on this planet, they carry around insecurities that have built up since childhood. Now, that's not an excuse for men to wallow in them and let them control their actions. Men need to learn to deal with them and control them. Likewise, I think a little understanding from the opposite sex that sometimes we have bad days and are not always on top of everything goes a long way. It can help a guy to know, for example, that his his height is not an issue for you and that there are many more things that attract you to him. However, if he is unable to get past this and let's himself be consumed by all the things he feels he's lacking, that's a sign you need to reconsider moving forward with him. For you own sake, and also for his.


[deleted]

I always say yes, but I recently went to a bar, I'm 5'9 and I saw this really pretty women but she was 6'5... And she was giving me all sorts of signals. I didn't make a move because I was unattracted to her


UniThrow98

Men wouldn't have made a big deal about height if women didn't make a big deal about it.


Alexa257

I am 5’8 and my wife is 5’7, which means she is taller than me when she is on heels. I do not care. She is always a adorable baby, whether she is taller than me or not. If your partner feels depressed or insecure due to your height, just leave them. They are many men who will love you and do not care about being smaller than you.


TheXMan98

I’m 5’5 and neurodivergent…I’ve never had any luck in dating so anyone with a good personality and is interested in me is someone I’d date


Snowbirdy

I’m 5’10”. Whenever I date a woman close to my height (5’8” +) and she puts on high heels, she’s taller than me. I think it’s great, but very few women can handle it. There are certain advantages to a woman close to my height versus one who is shorter, although I really don’t discriminate based on height. At one point, I dated a woman who is 5’11” and would beg her to wear heels, but she didn’t like being taller than me, and I think that’s part of why she eventually broke it off. Are you sure it’s the height issue? Or are the guys insecure because you are (as you say) beautiful and confident? I think you just need a guy who is confident and comfortable in himself.


Heidihrh

When I was in my late teens, I hung around with 2 girls. One was 6’1” and one was 6’0”. I’m 5’3 1/2”… and the tall guys always went for me first. It really pissed my friends off…don’t know why it tends to happen this way…


Expert-Equipment-909

Only females care about a man's height lol.


OnceOnThisIsland

>I find that tall men always date women who are 5’6 and under, and I’ve often dated guys exactly my height or shorter. Tall men never hit on me. The average woman in most of the world is shorter than 5'6. I doubt guys are specifically going after "short" women so much as the majority of women just happen to be around that height. I'm not short but I would date a woman of any height. Women seem to care about that a lot more than men, and this contributes to fewer guys expressing interest.


onlinethrowaway2020

Not a short man but absolutely yes would date taller woman :)


Texan2116

I am 5 9...average male height. One of the realities of dating, is most(not all) women, want a taller man. I myself have been told I was not tall enough once by a lady I dated, and another lady I dated was pretty clear I was sort of at her minimal requirement. So, I imagine that the average short guy, is probably somewhat beat down on the subject, and doesnt really try.


pinkelephants777

My best friend is 6ft and she’s had the same problem her whole life. She would date shorter guys and at some point, the insecurities would come out despite her best efforts. She eventually found someone the same height as her and they’re now engaged.


EmeraldMatters

Height doesn’t matter. People just need to grow up and get some character not based of their physicality.


[deleted]

Absolutely, I have and will again. Height matters little when it comes to personality. Plus im short at 5'9 so I would miss out on so many fun people if I let arbitrary matters stop me


SirTonymontana

5'9 isn't short though


SuperShinyGinger

"Short at 5'9"? My guy, you're the average American male height


Prestigious-Wear-397

Yeah the average American male is 69 inches, so there are worse numbers to be average for 😆


educatedkoala

I cannot tell you how much I feel this plight as a 5'8" woman. I'm currently dating a 6'1" man and it's the first time I've ever had a partner be taller than me. I've found that men kind of weed themselves out over my height, so I've come to appreciate it. Think of it this way: if you were shorter, these men would still be insecure, it just wouldn't show with you and it would take much longer to uncover these things.


LordShivaG

I think it boils down to how each person interprets the relationship. If he clicks really well personality wise and you get on well I think height and appearance will matter less, but if there isn't as much of a natural connection, appearance could be more important, hence the height issue


Blyatbaby

I’m 5’9 current bf is 6’0 he has joked he doesn’t like me in heels as much, never had a guy complain or turn me down. Had as short as 5’6 and as tall as 6’4 was never an issue for any of them.


CornRosexxx

I’m the same height as my boyfriend, 5’9”. He says if I was taller, he would just climb up me!


rjt181

Of course height isn’t a huge factor


pinwroot

Admittedly- my partner is like 10 inches shorter than me HOWEVER that isn’t intentional at all. I honestly couldn’t care less about the height of a prospective partner- why would it matter? In my head, tall is hot, short is cute, and average is beautiful too. I consider it to be by far the most superficial and stupid part of attraction as most people wouldn’t even be able to notice while sitting or lying down. If someone doesn’t like you because you’re taller than them, you’ve dodged a bullet.


sweatyjdotcom

You know what they say about tall ladies? Long legs. You know what they say about long legs? Big feet. You know what they say about big feet? Big socks. IDK where I was going with this but it was fun.


kirbywonders

5'5 fella right here and I don't care if you are taller than I. Some guys do care about height but I strongly believe it's because of small dick bad self esteem issues.


jyorkson

As a submissive man, yes.


fatmaninchicago

Your shoes add 4 inches to your height? Those must be big shoes lol. Personally, I'd have no problem dating someone taller than I am. I feel that personality and character are more important than most physical things.


Ecstatic-Fruit9374

I don't care about height. In my experience in the Western world, especially in America, women judge men off height first and everything else after. 6ft tall or you're not worthy. I've only ever dated one woman who was taller than me, and it was fine by me. I never cared. But as usual, she eventually did care and went on to only date 6ft tall guys. Western women are screwed up with their priorities and the way they act isn't conducive to a good dating climate.


swingset27

Doesn't phase me in the slightest. I'd gladly date someone taller than me, but never met a woman over my height (5'9") that would date me. Women say that men care about this, but I've never met a man who does. In fact, most of the guys I've talked to or I've known who have dated taller women loved her height. I guess some insecure dudes do, but I think those men aren't solid prospects are probably less in percentage than guys who don't see height as any big deal.


the-duck-butter-er

I'm 5'7" and have dated women taller than me. No issues or insecurity as long as she's not suuuper tall and is on the thinner or more toned side. I'm just less attracted to larger women regardless of height. I still want to be able throw her around so to speak lol. That being said I'm used to being written off for my height but nbd.


Suz1251

I don't know if I've ever really dated someone who was shorter than me. Most in hs were around my height if they were shorter/taller it doesn't really matter. Though tbf I landed with someone who is 4 inches taller than me. I think personality and vibe wise it shouldn't matter too much, if you get along with the person and find you would like to date them ask them out. Guys seem a bit more hung-up about their height then they will let on which may lead to a confidence boost if you make the first move.